Politics > Politics-USA > Once again Republicans AND Democrats side against the working middle-class.
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"Black Elk" |
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16 Apr 2005 10:35:55 PM |
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Once again Republicans AND Democrats side against the working middle-class. |
Washington politicians know who their sugar daddies are.
These leeches of democracy won't help provide healthcare and environmental
protection, but they jump on the corporate campaign contribution bandwagon
and slap each other on the back while they jeopardize the economic stability
of those who may lose their jobs or have a medical emergency.
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Published on Friday, April 15, 2005 by the Minneapolis Star Tribune / MN
Erasing Debts in Bankruptcy to Get Harder
by Rob Hotakainen
WASHINGTON -- Thousands of Americans will be prevented from erasing their
debts under a bankruptcy bill approved by Congress on Thursday.
The House vote was 302-126; it passed the Senate last month. President Bush
said he would sign the bill, the largest overhaul of the nation's bankruptcy
laws since 1978.
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Opponents of the bill said it passed only after lobbyists for the financial
services industry spent $40 million. "Let's not kid ourselves: This bill was
written for and by the credit-card industry," said Rep. William Delahunt,
D-Mass. "It's got nothing to do with the consumer."
Rep. David Obey, D-Wis., said the means test will take power away from
judges, who already have the discretion to deny bankruptcy protection if
they believe the law is being abused. He said too many families are "just
one medical bill or pink slip away" from financial disaster.
"If Congress is going to strip away protections for families who have lost
their health insurance, then Congress has the responsibility to get off its
duff and make sure every American has access to health care," he said.
Critics cited a study done by Harvard University in February which found
that half of all personal bankruptcies are the result of medical bills.
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., called the bill "mean and
harsh" and predicted that many of the court-ordered payment plans will fail
because people will lack the money.
Oberstar and Democratic Reps. Martin Sabo and Betty McCollum voted against
the bill. Democratic Rep. Collin Peterson joined Republican Reps. Gil
Gutknecht, Mark Kennedy, John Kline and Jim Ramstad in voting for it.
-cont.-
http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/print.cgi?file=/headlines05/0415-09.htm
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The number of uninsured Americans increased by 5 million over the past four
years and the government announced last month that Medicare premiums will
increase in January by a record amount in dollar terms of $11.60 per month.
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| User: "Werner Hetzner" |
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| Title: Re: Once again Republicans AND Democrats side against the workingmiddle-class. |
16 Apr 2005 11:17:34 PM |
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Black Elk wrote:
Washington politicians know who their sugar daddies are.
These leeches of democracy won't help provide healthcare and environmental
protection, but they jump on the corporate campaign contribution bandwagon
and slap each other on the back while they jeopardize the economic stability
of those who may lose their jobs or have a medical emergency.
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Isn't it strange? When politicians do what you want they are just great.
After all, its only fair when you get yours. When politicians do what
someone else wants they become leeches.
In the end, everything is relative to who gets and who pays.
Dollars in the common treasury are like fish in the common sea - anyone
who can will harvest to extinction. That is why socialism is
fundamentally corrupting and can not work. ----
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| User: "C. Pangus" |
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| Title: Re: Once again Republicans AND Democrats side against the working middle-class. |
17 Apr 2005 07:45:23 AM |
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"Werner Hetzner" <whetzner@mac.com> wrote in message
news:4261E35F.8090808@mac.com...
Black Elk wrote:
Washington politicians know who their sugar daddies are.
These leeches of democracy won't help provide healthcare and
environmental
protection, but they jump on the corporate campaign contribution
bandwagon
and slap each other on the back while they jeopardize the economic
stability
of those who may lose their jobs or have a medical emergency.
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Isn't it strange? When politicians do what you want they are just great.
After all, its only fair when you get yours. When politicians do what
someone else wants they become leeches.
In the end, everything is relative to who gets and who pays.
No, it is relative to who needs better pay and who is a greedy SOB.
Dollars in the common treasury are like fish in the common sea - anyone
who can will harvest to extinction. That is why socialism is
fundamentally corrupting and can not work. ----
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| User: "Werner Hetzner" |
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17 Apr 2005 02:36:13 PM |
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C. Pangus wrote:
"Werner Hetzner" <whetzner@mac.com> wrote in message
news:4261E35F.8090808@mac.com...
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Isn't it strange? When politicians do what you want they are just great.
After all, its only fair when you get yours. When politicians do what
someone else wants they become leeches.
In the end, everything is relative to who gets and who pays.
No, it is relative to who needs better pay and who is a greedy SOB.
Most everyone thinks he needs better pay. I don't know many unions that
demand less pay. I don't see many volunteering to lower their pay so
someone else can get more. If the world according to Marx worked you
would volunteer to give money to the local shelter and take in a
homeless person. Do you? I seriously dout it.
Entire communities are having trouble raising enough taxes to pay for
Medicare. How many Medicare people demand less for the good of the
community?
Old people are forced to sell their homes because they can't afford the
taxes. How many teachers unions demand lower the pay and benefits to
make life easier for those who can't afford to support their needs and
wants?
Dollars in the common treasury are like fish in the common sea - anyone
who can will harvest to extinction. That is why socialism is
fundamentally corrupting and can not work. ----
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| User: "C. Pangus" |
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| Title: Re: Once again Republicans AND Democrats side against the working middle-class. |
18 Apr 2005 06:05:58 AM |
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"Werner Hetzner" <whetzner@mac.com> wrote in message
news:4262BAAC.1040700@mac.com...
C. Pangus wrote:
"Werner Hetzner" <whetzner@mac.com> wrote in message
news:4261E35F.8090808@mac.com...
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Isn't it strange? When politicians do what you want they are just great.
After all, its only fair when you get yours. When politicians do what
someone else wants they become leeches.
In the end, everything is relative to who gets and who pays.
No, it is relative to who needs better pay and who is a greedy SOB.
Most everyone thinks he needs better pay. I don't know many unions that
demand less pay. I don't see many volunteering to lower their pay so
someone else can get more. If the world according to Marx worked you
would volunteer to give money to the local shelter and take in a
homeless person. Do you? I seriously dout it.
Entire communities are having trouble raising enough taxes to pay for
Medicare. How many Medicare people demand less for the good of the
community?
Old people are forced to sell their homes because they can't afford the
taxes. How many teachers unions demand lower the pay and benefits to
make life easier for those who can't afford to support their needs and
wants?
Yeah right. 'Income distribution is perfect and there is no need to change
it in any way.' The original post pointed out income disparity based on
improper political influence. Illegal immigrant workers is just a way to
keep wages for non-scheming laborers disastrously low.
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| User: "Werner Hetzner" |
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18 Apr 2005 07:49:57 AM |
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C. Pangus wrote:
"Werner Hetzner" <whetzner@mac.com> wrote in message
news:4262BAAC.1040700@mac.com...
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Most everyone thinks he needs better pay. I don't know many unions that
demand less pay. I don't see many volunteering to lower their pay so
someone else can get more. If the world according to Marx worked you
would volunteer to give money to the local shelter and take in a
homeless person. Do you? I seriously dout it.
Entire communities are having trouble raising enough taxes to pay for
Medicare. How many Medicare people demand less for the good of the
community?
Old people are forced to sell their homes because they can't afford the
taxes. How many teachers unions demand lower the pay and benefits to
make life easier for those who can't afford to support their needs and
wants?
Yeah right. 'Income distribution is perfect and there is no need to change
it in any way.' The original post pointed out income disparity based on
improper political influence. Illegal immigrant workers is just a way to
keep wages for non-scheming laborers disastrously low.
Perfection is hard to come by. We have income redistribution. It is a
particular failure. I gave you a couple of real examples. I think it
time to redistribute your income to somebody else. God know, there are
lots of people in the world who could use what you have. From where do
you get the right to keep your ***** when others want it?
Here are more examples of such failures.
if "we the people'' must pay for a "money pit'' we obviously don't
want, does that not make us accountable to
government?
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Accountable.shtml
schools
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/PerformanceGap.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/ReportCard.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Schools.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Environment.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Social%20Security.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Health%20Care.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Drugs.shtm
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Education.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Poverty.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/ExampleTOC.shtml
and more
Dollars in the common treasury are like fish in the common sea - anyone
who can will harvest to extinction. That is why socialism is
fundamentally corrupting and can not work. ----
Wasn't America supposed to be about voluntary agreement instead of
forced obedience?
Isn't it high time to join The Resistance?
http://www.ny.lp.org/choice
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| User: "C. Pangus" |
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19 Apr 2005 05:00:55 PM |
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"Werner Hetzner" <whetzner@mac.com> wrote in message
news:4263ACF6.9040406@mac.com...
C. Pangus wrote:
"Werner Hetzner" <whetzner@mac.com> wrote in message
news:4262BAAC.1040700@mac.com...
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Most everyone thinks he needs better pay. I don't know many unions that
demand less pay. I don't see many volunteering to lower their pay so
someone else can get more. If the world according to Marx worked you
would volunteer to give money to the local shelter and take in a
homeless person. Do you? I seriously dout it.
Entire communities are having trouble raising enough taxes to pay for
Medicare. How many Medicare people demand less for the good of the
community?
Old people are forced to sell their homes because they can't afford the
taxes. How many teachers unions demand lower the pay and benefits to
make life easier for those who can't afford to support their needs and
wants?
Yeah right. 'Income distribution is perfect and there is no need to
change
it in any way.' The original post pointed out income disparity based on
improper political influence. Illegal immigrant workers is just a way to
keep wages for non-scheming laborers disastrously low.
Perfection is hard to come by. We have income redistribution. It is a
particular failure. I gave you a couple of real examples. I think it
time to redistribute your income to somebody else. God know, there are
lots of people in the world who could use what you have. From where do
you get the right to keep your ***** when others want it?
Didn't ask for perfection. Nor did the original poster.
What I did say in response to the people-demeaning bankruptcy bill just
passed by Congress was:
"(Werner)
In the end, everything is relative to who gets and who pays.
( Pangus) No, it is relative to who needs better pay and who is a greedy
SOB."
Here are more examples of such failures.
Follow your own wild goose chase . . .
if "we the people'' must pay for a "money pit'' we obviously don't
want, does that not make us accountable to
government?
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Accountable.shtml
schools
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/PerformanceGap.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/ReportCard.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Schools.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Environment.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Social%20Security.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Health%20Care.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Drugs.shtm
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Education.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Poverty.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/ExampleTOC.shtml
and more
Dollars in the common treasury are like fish in the common sea - anyone
who can will harvest to extinction. That is why socialism is
fundamentally corrupting and can not work. ----
Wasn't America supposed to be about voluntary agreement instead of
forced obedience?
Isn't it high time to join The Resistance?
http://www.ny.lp.org/choice
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| User: "Werner Hetzner" |
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| Title: Re: Once again Republicans AND Democrats side against the workingmiddle-class. |
21 Apr 2005 07:54:47 PM |
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C. Pangus wrote:
"Werner Hetzner" <whetzner@mac.com> wrote in message
news:4263ACF6.9040406@mac.com...
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In the end, everything is relative to who gets and who pays.
( Pangus) No, it is relative to who needs better pay and who is a greedy
SOB."
SEnd your money and your stuff to Somalia. They need it more than you.
When they have had enough, I'll make some more suggestions to absolve
you of your greed.
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| User: "C. Pangus" |
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23 Apr 2005 09:13:08 AM |
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"Werner Hetzner" <whetzner@mac.com> wrote in message
news:42684B59.6080904@mac.com...
C. Pangus wrote:
"Werner Hetzner" <whetzner@mac.com> wrote in message
news:4263ACF6.9040406@mac.com...
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In the end, everything is relative to who gets and who pays.
( Pangus) No, it is relative to who needs better pay and who is a greedy
SOB."
SEnd your money and your stuff to Somalia. They need it more than you.
When they have had enough, I'll make some more suggestions to absolve
you of your greed.
Corporations are already doing that.
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| User: "Black Elk" |
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17 Apr 2005 01:39:27 PM |
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"Werner Hetzner" <whetzner@mac.com> wrote in message
news:4261E35F.8090808@mac.com...
Black Elk wrote:
Washington politicians know who their sugar daddies are.
These leeches of democracy won't help provide healthcare and environmental
protection, but they jump on the corporate campaign contribution bandwagon
and slap each other on the back while they jeopardize the economic
stability of those who may lose their jobs or have a medical emergency.
-----------------------------------------
Isn't it strange? When politicians do what you want they are just great.
It isn't a matter of doing what I want, it is a matter of doing what is
right.
After all, its only fair when you get yours.
That would be declining quality of living, abuse, lies from you and your
ilk, war, pollution, lack of healthcare, etc, etc, etc...
When politicians do what
someone else wants they become leeches.
You should know, you're right in there with them.
In the end, everything is relative to who gets and who pays.
It is a matter of wisdom and decency. Something you seem to have forgotten
long ago.
Dollars in the common treasury are like fish in the common sea - anyone
who can will harvest to extinction. That is why socialism is fundamentally
corrupting and can not work. ----
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"Those seeking profits," Jefferson wrote, "were they given total freedom,
would not be the ones to trust to keep government pure and our rights
secure. Indeed, it has always been those seeking wealth who were the source
of corruption in government. No other depositories of power have ever yet
been found, which did not end in converting to their own profit the earnings
of those committed to their charge."
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0618-03.htm
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| User: "Werner Hetzner" |
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17 Apr 2005 02:43:30 PM |
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Black Elk wrote:
"Werner Hetzner" <whetzner@mac.com> wrote in message
news:4261E35F.8090808@mac.com...
Black Elk wrote:
Washington politicians know who their sugar daddies are.
These leeches of democracy won't help provide healthcare and environmental
protection, but they jump on the corporate campaign contribution bandwagon
and slap each other on the back while they jeopardize the economic
stability of those who may lose their jobs or have a medical emergency.
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Isn't it strange? When politicians do what you want they are just great.
It isn't a matter of doing what I want, it is a matter of doing what is
right.
No. It's a matter of forcing others to do what you think is right.
Clearly everyone does not think as you do.
After all, its only fair when you get yours.
That would be declining quality of living, abuse, lies from you and your
ilk, war, pollution, lack of healthcare, etc, etc, etc...
Yes. And that will continue as long as you expect others to pay for what
you think is right. You should pay for what you think is right. I should
pay for what I think is right not for what you think is right. If it
were no so then you would pay for what I think is right.
When politicians do what
someone else wants they become leeches.
You should know, you're right in there with them.
How is that? How am I in with politicians. They do what I don't want.
In the end, everything is relative to who gets and who pays.
It is a matter of wisdom and decency. Something you seem to have forgotten
long ago.
Is it not just a little arrogant of you to pretend to know what is wise
and decent? And isn't it more than a little tyrannical of you to want to
impose your wisdon on me or anyone else?
Dollars in the common treasury are like fish in the common sea - anyone
who can will harvest to extinction. That is why socialism is fundamentally
corrupting and can not work. ----
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| User: "Ron Olin" |
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17 Apr 2005 06:04:57 AM |
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Dollars in the common treasury are like fish in the common sea - anyone
who can will harvest to extinction. That is why socialism is fundamentally
corrupting and can not work. ----
Ah yes! And isn't American "capitalism" a marvel to behold!
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