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"John Manning" |
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03 Dec 2003 08:32:02 AM |
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OT: What Bush is doing with 'your' money |
The nation's debt is the GOP's bounty
The Seattle Times, December 02, 2003
By E.J. Dionne
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/text/2001804902_dionne02.html
WASHINGTON — President Bush likes to talk about the need for "fiscal
sanity in Washington." His decision to run up the national debt is
entirely sane — as long as you understand his real purpose.
Bush doesn't care a whit about deficits. That's because he is not a
fiscal conservative. He is a political conservative out to buy himself a
majority in 2004 and spending the next generation's money to do it.
Some act mystified, as if conservatives are always more responsible with
the people's money than liberals. But it's possible to be generous
toward social needs, and pay as you go. That's what liberals have
usually done. Paul Gigot, The Wall Street Journal's conservative
editorial page editor, once called this approach "balanced budget
liberalism." It's conservatives, not liberals, who twice over the past
quarter-century have created extravagant deficits.
It's also forgotten that redistribution to the poor is not the only way
to shift money around. The government's coffers can also be run down by
redistribution to the wealthy and to favored interest groups. And when
it comes to the politics of payoff, the president and his allies are
nothing short of brilliant.
Disgorging public money to your friends makes political sense. By
recycling a small fraction of the cash back to Bush and his party in the
form of campaign contributions, those friends are financing the
construction of a mighty political machine. It's a weird form of public
financing of campaigns — confined to one party.
Bush's first tax cut distributed just enough to middle-class families to
give cover for a plan that largely helped the best-off Americans. Next
came the dividends tax cut, an even more naked transfer of cash to the
wealthy. At least a fifth of the benefits of this year's tax package
went to a mere four-tenths of 1 percent of taxpayers, those making over
$500,000 a year. One-third of Americans got nothing, and half got less
than $100 a year.
But it doesn't stop there. Public spending per person is higher under
Bush than it was under Bill Clinton. Where is it going? A share of it is
for big increases in defense spending. Assume all that spending is
justified. It still helps build a Republican majority. The people at
Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman and the like give the bulk of
their campaign contributions to the Republicans.
The Medicare drug bill seeks to expand Bush's reach to senior citizens.
But many of its provisions help core Republican constituencies,
including private health plans that get billions to compete with
Medicare. Another $25 billion goes to rural hospitals. Troubled urban
hospitals don't get similar help, but urban areas didn't vote for Bush.
Another $6 billion in the bill for health savings accounts also helps
Republican contributors.
The pharmaceutical companies are so generous to Republicans that they
might start giving out free Viagra and Lipitor at fund-raisers. Drug
company executives love it that the drug bill forbids Medicare from
using its bargaining power to bring down the cost of drugs. Fiscal
conservatives might want to contain taxpayer outlays to the drug
manufacturers. Political conservatives prefer to protect their industry
friends.
Then there is that amazing $31 billion energy bill, blocked so far by
genuine fiscal conservatives such as Sen. John McCain. Bush and most
Republicans had been fighting hard for the bill's extravagant subsidies
to all sorts of special interests, beginning with the oil and gas industry.
And why not? As The Washington Post's Tom Edsall reported, the bill
provides benefits to at least 22 executives and their spouses who have
qualified in Bush's two top categories of fund-raisers. At least 15
lobbyists for interests helped by the bill and their spouses achieved
similar Bush MVP fund-raising status.
Back in the Clinton days, self-styled "deficit hawks" decried efforts to
pass universal health coverage on the grounds that doing so might deepen
the deficit. Now, many of the same supposed deficit hawks happily vote
for budget-busting giveaways that benefit their party's ideological and
business allies. Politicians who can't say 10 words without praising
"free markets" back big subsidies that will tilt the market toward their
contributors. Few challenge their capitalist credentials.
Building transit, roads and schools, and helping the young and the poor
to buy health insurance and get a better education — these might justify
deficits to finance investments for the next generation. Sending us into
a hole to buy an election and to help well-connected interest groups
just doesn't seem worth it.
The New Big Spenders are very different from the old ones. How long will
it take us to understand that?
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| User: "Confusious" |
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03 Dec 2003 08:49:33 AM |
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John Manning wrote:
The nation's debt
More conspiracy theories from John's kooky friends. Put on your tinfoil
hats.
The money is being spent appropriately. The first priority of the
federal government is national defense. Cut the social programs for the
welfare class if the deficit is a concern.
I'm not in the wealthy class, but am happy with my > $1000/year
reduction in taxes. Of course the fact that I pay taxes means I deserve
a tax cut, unlinke the whinocrats who wanted to give tax rebates to
everyone even if they paid no taxes.
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| User: "Steve Ralph" |
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03 Dec 2003 10:16:50 AM |
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"Confusious" <confusious@nomail.com> wrote in message
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John Manning wrote:
The nation's debt
More conspiracy theories from John's kooky friends. Put on your tinfoil
hats.
The money is being spent appropriately. The first priority of the
federal government is national defense. Cut the social programs for the
welfare class if the deficit is a concern.
Yes, just let them die off. After all, if they can't make loads of money,
what
use are they to the usa?
I'm not in the wealthy class, but am happy with my > $1000/year
reduction in taxes. Of course the fact that I pay taxes means I deserve
a tax cut, unlinke the whinocrats who wanted to give tax rebates to
everyone even if they paid no taxes.
Good, glad you are so easily baught. Shame about the trillion dollar
deficit.
The output of pollutants from your industries is set to rise very
substantially. (Not that
others are blameless)
Unless you happen to believe the Cato institute, the climate is approaching
a critical state.
Or do you, like most americans, simply not care as long as you get richer?
Or do you think this is yet another conspiracy theory?
SR
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| User: "Confusious" |
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03 Dec 2003 12:37:24 PM |
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Steve Ralph wrote:
"Confusious" <confusious@nomail.com> wrote in message
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Yes, just let them die off. After all, if they can't make loads of money,
what
use are they to the usa?
If it's a choice of able bodied people supporting themselves vs the
government supporting them at my expense they can starve for all I care.
If you want to have socialist programs, have them in the UK. They are
one of the contributing factors to why most of Europe is now second rate
powers.
Good, glad you are so easily baught. Shame about the trillion dollar
deficit.
So cut the social welfare programs.
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| User: "Steve Ralph" |
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03 Dec 2003 01:52:25 PM |
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"Confusious" <confusious@nomail.com> wrote in message
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Steve Ralph wrote:
"Confusious" <confusious@nomail.com> wrote in message
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Yes, just let them die off. After all, if they can't make loads of
money,
what
use are they to the usa?
If it's a choice of able bodied people supporting themselves vs the
government supporting them at my expense they can starve for all I care.
If you want to have socialist programs, have them in the UK. They are
one of the contributing factors to why most of Europe is now second rate
powers.
Good, glad you are so easily baught. Shame about the trillion dollar
deficit.
So cut the social welfare programs.
Good you are so confident you will remain in full employment, living in a
first-rate power.
What about the pollution? (The anti-smoking laws in NY seem to be an
anomaly!)
Or is that just a case of let them choke on it for all I care?
SR
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| User: "Confusious" |
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03 Dec 2003 02:04:41 PM |
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Steve Ralph wrote:
Good you are so confident you will remain in full employment, living in a
first-rate power.
Actually, I can afford to be out of work for a long time. Part of
spending my income carefully and not running out to buy every toy I see.
What about the pollution? (The anti-smoking laws in NY seem to be an
anomaly!)
Yes, pollution is a problem. There needs to be some disincentive to all
the yuppies buying minivans. SUVs , Hummvees etc. and building $250K+
mini-mansions in the suburbs.
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| User: "Steve Ralph" |
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03 Dec 2003 03:11:28 PM |
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"Confusious" <confusious@nomail.com> wrote in message
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Steve Ralph wrote:
Good you are so confident you will remain in full employment, living in
a
first-rate power.
Actually, I can afford to be out of work for a long time. Part of
spending my income carefully and not running out to buy every toy I see.
What about the pollution? (The anti-smoking laws in NY seem to be an
anomaly!)
Yes, pollution is a problem. There needs to be some disincentive to all
the yuppies buying minivans. SUVs , Hummvees etc. and building $250K+
mini-mansions in the suburbs.
Its unfortunate Kyoto is a dead duck. I may be getting alarmist, but it
could
be catastrophic if the climate shifts. Once the trigger goes, it is almost
irreversable. Oil will not be a problem any more!
SR
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| User: "DemsInDecay" |
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03 Dec 2003 03:33:20 PM |
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"Steve Ralph" <steve@steveralph.f9.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Confusious" <confusious@nomail.com> wrote in message
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Steve Ralph wrote:
Good you are so confident you will remain in full employment, living
in
a
first-rate power.
Actually, I can afford to be out of work for a long time. Part of
spending my income carefully and not running out to buy every toy I see.
What about the pollution? (The anti-smoking laws in NY seem to be an
anomaly!)
Yes, pollution is a problem. There needs to be some disincentive to all
the yuppies buying minivans. SUVs , Hummvees etc. and building $250K+
mini-mansions in the suburbs.
Its unfortunate Kyoto is a dead duck. I may be getting alarmist, but it
could
be catastrophic if the climate shifts.
Kyoto can't stop the climate from shifting, so yes, you're definitely
getting alarmist on us.
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| User: "DemsInDecay" |
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03 Dec 2003 03:34:11 PM |
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"Steve Ralph" <steve@steveralph.f9.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Confusious" <confusious@nomail.com> wrote in message
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Steve Ralph wrote:
Good you are so confident you will remain in full employment, living
in
a
first-rate power.
Actually, I can afford to be out of work for a long time. Part of
spending my income carefully and not running out to buy every toy I see.
What about the pollution? (The anti-smoking laws in NY seem to be an
anomaly!)
Yes, pollution is a problem. There needs to be some disincentive to all
the yuppies buying minivans. SUVs , Hummvees etc. and building $250K+
mini-mansions in the suburbs.
Its unfortunate Kyoto is a dead duck. I may be getting alarmist, but it
could
be catastrophic if the climate shifts.
Kyoto can't stop the climate from shifting, so yes, you're definitely
getting alarmist on us.
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| User: "Unruly Human" |
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03 Dec 2003 02:42:04 PM |
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Confusious wrote:
Steve Ralph wrote:
Good you are so confident you will remain in full employment, living in a
first-rate power.
Actually, I can afford to be out of work for a long time. Part of
spending my income carefully and not running out to buy every toy I see.
What about the pollution? (The anti-smoking laws in NY seem to be an
anomaly!)
Yes, pollution is a problem. There needs to be some disincentive to all
the yuppies buying minivans. SUVs , Hummvees etc. and building $250K+
mini-mansions in the suburbs.
Why?
D1
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| User: "Confusious" |
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03 Dec 2003 03:48:17 PM |
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Unruly Human wrote:
Yes, pollution is a problem. There needs to be some disincentive to all
the yuppies buying minivans. SUVs , Hummvees etc. and building $250K+
mini-mansions in the suburbs.
D1
Because these, and the factories required to produce them contribute to
pollution. Why does every yuppie have to have their own SUV or other
excessive vehicle? Why does every yuppie think they have to live in a
2000+ sq foot house on an acre of land?
FYI, I can afford a SUV but choose to drive a GEO Prism.
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| User: "DemsInDecay" |
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03 Dec 2003 03:55:37 PM |
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"Confusious" <confusious@nomail.com> wrote in message
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Unruly Human wrote:
Yes, pollution is a problem. There needs to be some disincentive to all
the yuppies buying minivans. SUVs , Hummvees etc. and building $250K+
mini-mansions in the suburbs.
D1
Because these, and the factories required to produce them contribute to
pollution.
As does heating your home or apartment, to say nothing of the pollution
generated when electricity is made so as to run your lights and
refrigerator.
The Environmentalist Wackos have so many options to choose from as they
pursue their quest of shutting down civilization.....
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| User: "But I feel much better now." |
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03 Dec 2003 04:30:23 PM |
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"Confusious" <confusious@nomail.com> wrote in message
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Unruly Human wrote:
Yes, pollution is a problem. There needs to be some disincentive to all
the yuppies buying minivans. SUVs , Hummvees etc. and building $250K+
mini-mansions in the suburbs.
D1
Because these, and the factories required to produce them contribute to
pollution. Why does every yuppie have to have their own SUV or other
excessive vehicle? Why does every yuppie think they have to live in a
2000+ sq foot house on an acre of land?
Who are you to decide how others should live or not? Are you one of those
people that supported to eliminate the station wagon a few years ago because
of it's gas mileage so that people in the suburbs had to go to more gas
guzzling SUVs? And what option do you have for people needing an SUV?
And why do you think that only yuppies buy minivans and SUV's On what
planet do you life?
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| User: "DemsInDecay" |
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03 Dec 2003 04:37:13 PM |
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"But I feel much better now." <Nospam@Nono.Nothere> wrote in message
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"Confusious" <confusious@nomail.com> wrote in message
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Unruly Human wrote:
Yes, pollution is a problem. There needs to be some disincentive to
all
the yuppies buying minivans. SUVs , Hummvees etc. and building $250K+
mini-mansions in the suburbs.
D1
Because these, and the factories required to produce them contribute to
pollution. Why does every yuppie have to have their own SUV or other
excessive vehicle? Why does every yuppie think they have to live in a
2000+ sq foot house on an acre of land?
Who are you to decide how others should live or not?
He opposes allowing 2 homosexuals to own an SUV or other such excessive
vehiciles.
Are you one of those
people that supported to eliminate the station wagon a few years ago
because
of it's gas mileage so that people in the suburbs had to go to more gas
guzzling SUVs?
He opposes blacks living in the suburbs being allowed to own an SUV to ferry
their black kids about.
And what option do you have for people needing an SUV?
"Screw those Hispanics!", he says. He believes "the environment" is far
too precious a thing to allow a bunch of greedy Hispanics to screw it up.
And why do you think that only yuppies buy minivans and SUV's On what
planet do you life?
He probably lives on this planet, but it's also a safe bet that he tends to
vote Liberal or Democrat. Which means he is pretty much out of touch with
reality, and really DOES think he is entitled to dictate to homosexuals,
blacks in the suburbs, and Hispanics the sort of motor vehicle he will allow
them to drive.
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| User: "Steve Ralph" |
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04 Dec 2003 03:25:49 AM |
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"But I feel much better now." <Nospam@Nono.Nothere> wrote in message
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"Confusious" <confusious@nomail.com> wrote in message
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Unruly Human wrote:
Yes, pollution is a problem. There needs to be some disincentive to
all
the yuppies buying minivans. SUVs , Hummvees etc. and building $250K+
mini-mansions in the suburbs.
D1
Because these, and the factories required to produce them contribute to
pollution. Why does every yuppie have to have their own SUV or other
excessive vehicle? Why does every yuppie think they have to live in a
2000+ sq foot house on an acre of land?
Who are you to decide how others should live or not?
Thats rich, coming from you. Witness your incessant whining about
your sisters lifestyle for a start.
SR
Are you one of those
people that supported to eliminate the station wagon a few years ago
because
of it's gas mileage so that people in the suburbs had to go to more gas
guzzling SUVs? And what option do you have for people needing an SUV?
And why do you think that only yuppies buy minivans and SUV's On what
planet do you life?
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| User: "But I feel much better now." |
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04 Dec 2003 12:24:45 PM |
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"Steve Ralph" <steve@steveralph.f9.co.uk> wrote in message
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"But I feel much better now." <Nospam@Nono.Nothere> wrote in message
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"Confusious" <confusious@nomail.com> wrote in message
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Unruly Human wrote:
Yes, pollution is a problem. There needs to be some disincentive to
all
the yuppies buying minivans. SUVs , Hummvees etc. and building
$250K+
mini-mansions in the suburbs.
D1
Because these, and the factories required to produce them contribute
to
pollution. Why does every yuppie have to have their own SUV or other
excessive vehicle? Why does every yuppie think they have to live in a
2000+ sq foot house on an acre of land?
Who are you to decide how others should live or not?
Thats rich, coming from you. Witness your incessant whining about
your sisters lifestyle for a start.
And? Did I create a law to physically stop her from doing TM to prevent the
oncoming nervous breakdown? Why is it that liberals can not seem to follow
a logical discussion?
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| User: "Steve Ralph" |
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05 Dec 2003 04:26:14 AM |
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"But I feel much better now." <Nospam@Nono.Nothere> wrote in message
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"Steve Ralph" <steve@steveralph.f9.co.uk> wrote in message
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"But I feel much better now." <Nospam@Nono.Nothere> wrote in message
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"Confusious" <confusious@nomail.com> wrote in message
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Unruly Human wrote:
Yes, pollution is a problem. There needs to be some disincentive
to
all
the yuppies buying minivans. SUVs , Hummvees etc. and building
$250K+
mini-mansions in the suburbs.
D1
Because these, and the factories required to produce them contribute
to
pollution. Why does every yuppie have to have their own SUV or other
excessive vehicle? Why does every yuppie think they have to live in
a
2000+ sq foot house on an acre of land?
Who are you to decide how others should live or not?
Thats rich, coming from you. Witness your incessant whining about
your sisters lifestyle for a start.
And? Did I create a law to physically stop her from doing TM to prevent
the
oncoming nervous breakdown?
You oxymoron. You do a lot of whining here about your sister and how she
should have been a doctor, so it is pretty rich to hear you of all people
make a comment
like this. Also you spend a lot of time badmouthing your sister, but does
she know what you
are writing here? Maybe she would prefer to speak for herself?
Who are you to decide how others should live or not?
Why is it that liberals can not seem to follow
a logical discussion?
What logic?
Idiot. I am not an american. Got that? Say again: Steve is not an American.
Got it yet? Steve is not an American. Try Again. Steve is not an american.
Capiche? Therefore american labels are not a lot of use are they? I have no
real idea what 'liberal' means in america, and I don't care. Obviously a
tight-*****
fundy like yourself could never be liberal in any sense of the word.
Why is it the americans fail to understand that their labels don't
neccessarily
fit others.
SR
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04 Dec 2003 01:33:40 PM |
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"But I feel much better now." <Nospam@Nono.Nothere> wrote in message
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"Confusious" <confusious@nomail.com> wrote in message
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Unruly Human wrote:
Yes, pollution is a problem. There needs to be some disincentive
to
all
the yuppies buying minivans. SUVs , Hummvees etc. and building
$250K+
mini-mansions in the suburbs.
D1
Because these, and the factories required to produce them contribute
to
pollution. Why does every yuppie have to have their own SUV or other
excessive vehicle? Why does every yuppie think they have to live in
a
2000+ sq foot house on an acre of land?
Who are you to decide how others should live or not?
Thats rich, coming from you. Witness your incessant whining about
your sisters lifestyle for a start.
And? Did I create a law to physically stop her from doing TM to prevent
the
oncoming nervous breakdown? Why is it that liberals can not seem to
follow
a logical discussion?
Liberals pretend to be braindead quite regularly. Why they do that is not
known, but it appears to be somewhat akin to the phenomenon of whales
beaching themselves on the beach, despite all efforts to save them from
self-destructing like that.
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| User: "Confusious" |
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03 Dec 2003 04:36:06 PM |
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But I feel much better now. wrote:
Who are you to decide how others should live or not? Are you one of those
people that supported to eliminate the station wagon a few years ago because
of it's gas mileage so that people in the suburbs had to go to more gas
guzzling SUVs? And what option do you have for people needing an SUV?
And why do you think that only yuppies buy minivans and SUV's On what
planet do you life?
If somebody really needs a SUV then fine. But most people likely don't
except to feed their egos. Caring about pollution is somehow wrong?
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| User: "DemsInDecay" |
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03 Dec 2003 04:42:20 PM |
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"Confusious" <confusious@nomail.com> wrote in message
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But I feel much better now. wrote:
Who are you to decide how others should live or not? Are you one of
those
people that supported to eliminate the station wagon a few years ago
because
of it's gas mileage so that people in the suburbs had to go to more gas
guzzling SUVs? And what option do you have for people needing an SUV?
And why do you think that only yuppies buy minivans and SUV's On what
planet do you life?
If somebody really needs a SUV then fine.
What if they just WANT one?
But most people likely don't
except to feed their egos.
Is that what prompted you to buy one? Or are you just pretending to be a
mindreader?
Caring about pollution is somehow wrong?
No. DICTATING what you will allow others to do is wrong. DICTATING how
much gasoline YOU will allow them to purchase is wrong. DICTATIJNG what
kind of motor vehicle YOU will allow them to purchase is wrong. Jamming
YOUR nose in other peoples' business is wrong. Pompously and
self-righteously pretending to be a mindreader and imagining you know other
people's motives for purchasing an SUV is wrong.
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| User: "But I feel much better now." |
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| Title: Re: OT: What Bush is doing with 'your' money |
03 Dec 2003 05:09:46 PM |
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"Confusious" <confusious@nomail.com> wrote in message
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But I feel much better now. wrote:
Who are you to decide how others should live or not? Are you one of
those
people that supported to eliminate the station wagon a few years ago
because
of it's gas mileage so that people in the suburbs had to go to more gas
guzzling SUVs? And what option do you have for people needing an SUV?
And why do you think that only yuppies buy minivans and SUV's On what
planet do you life?
If somebody really needs a SUV then fine. But most people likely don't
except to feed their egos.
How do you know? Are you projecting?
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| User: "DemoDeath" |
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| Title: Re: OT: What Bush is doing with 'your' money |
03 Dec 2003 06:37:49 PM |
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"But I feel much better now." <Nospam@Nono.Nothere> wrote in message
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"Confusious" <confusious@nomail.com> wrote in message
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But I feel much better now. wrote:
Who are you to decide how others should live or not? Are you one of
those
people that supported to eliminate the station wagon a few years ago
because
of it's gas mileage so that people in the suburbs had to go to more
gas
guzzling SUVs? And what option do you have for people needing an SUV?
And why do you think that only yuppies buy minivans and SUV's On what
planet do you life?
If somebody really needs a SUV then fine. But most people likely don't
except to feed their egos.
How do you know? Are you projecting?
I think what he is saying is that he bought an SUV himself, and that the
only reason he did so was to feed his ego.
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| User: "Clovis Lark" |
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| Title: Re: OT: What Bush is doing with 'your' money |
03 Dec 2003 04:19:57 PM |
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In alt.religion.mormon Confusious <confusious@nomail.com> wrote:
Unruly Human wrote:
Yes, pollution is a problem. There needs to be some disincentive to all
the yuppies buying minivans. SUVs , Hummvees etc. and building $250K+
mini-mansions in the suburbs.
D1
Because these, and the factories required to produce them contribute to
pollution. Why does every yuppie have to have their own SUV or other
excessive vehicle? Why does every yuppie think they have to live in a
2000+ sq foot house on an acre of land?
FYI, I can afford a SUV but choose to drive a GEO Prism.
I own a truck but ride a bike 90% of the time. Why do you drive?
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| User: "Confusious" |
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| Title: Re: OT: What Bush is doing with 'your' money |
03 Dec 2003 04:34:38 PM |
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Clovis Lark wrote:
I own a truck but ride a bike 90% of the time. Why do you drive?
30 mile commute to work three times a week with a couple places where a
guy on a bike could easily get killed.
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| User: "DemsInDecay" |
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| Title: Re: OT: What Bush is doing with 'your' money |
03 Dec 2003 04:42:20 PM |
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"Confusious" <confusious@nomail.com> wrote in message
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Clovis Lark wrote:
I own a truck but ride a bike 90% of the time. Why do you drive?
30 mile commute to work three times a week with a couple places where a
guy on a bike could easily get killed.
The "Environmentalists" feel you need to get a job closer to home then.
THEY will be the judge of how much gasoline you purchase, not you.
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| User: "BillyG." |
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03 Dec 2003 03:38:50 PM |
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"Confusious" <confusious@nomail.com> wrote in message
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Steve Ralph wrote:
"Confusious" <confusious@nomail.com> wrote in message
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Yes, just let them die off. After all, if they can't make loads of
money,
what
use are they to the usa?
If it's a choice of able bodied people supporting themselves vs the
government supporting them at my expense they can starve for all I care.
If you want to have socialist programs, have them in the UK. They are
one of the contributing factors to why most of Europe is now second rate
powers.
Good, glad you are so easily baught. Shame about the trillion dollar
deficit.
So cut the social welfare programs.
*Cold hearted Republican* is just a political jab!!! EVERY party in the US
has a *Safety NET* for the disadvantaged, it will ALWAYS be that way Mr.
Ralph, whether you're a Republican OR a Democrat, we Americans care about
our fellow man! Fostering dependency...that is another issue! BillyG.
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| User: "Bryan" |
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| Title: Re: OT: What Bush is doing with 'your' money |
03 Dec 2003 10:35:04 PM |
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Confusious wrote:
John Manning wrote:
The nation's debt
More conspiracy theories from John's kooky friends. Put on your
tinfoil hats.
The money is being spent appropriately. The first priority of the
federal government is national defense. Cut the social programs for
the welfare class if the deficit is a concern.
I'm not in the wealthy class, but am happy with my > $1000/year
reduction in taxes. Of course the fact that I pay taxes means I
deserve a tax cut, unlinke the whinocrats who wanted to give tax
rebates to everyone even if they paid no taxes.
Apparently it is a very difficult concept for Democrats to understand, I
suspect the confusion comes from thinking that it is the Government's money.
Some High School seniors recently discussed the similarities between the
tax-refund and handing a $20 note to the cashier for a purchase of a $14
CD, only to have the $6 change be handed to the next guy in line. It
was interesting to see that many of these kids did 'get it'.
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| User: "John Manning" |
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| Title: Re: OT: What Bush is doing with 'your' money |
03 Dec 2003 10:44:36 PM |
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Bryan wrote:
Confusious wrote:
John Manning wrote:
The nation's debt
More conspiracy theories from John's kooky friends. Put on your
tinfoil hats.
The money is being spent appropriately. The first priority of the
federal government is national defense. Cut the social programs for
the welfare class if the deficit is a concern.
I'm not in the wealthy class, but am happy with my > $1000/year
reduction in taxes. Of course the fact that I pay taxes means I
deserve a tax cut, unlinke the whinocrats who wanted to give tax
rebates to everyone even if they paid no taxes.
Apparently it is a very difficult concept for Democrats to understand,
Democrats?
I
suspect the confusion comes from thinking that it is the Government's
money.
No. Bush is borrowind and spending *our* money.
Some High School seniors recently discussed the similarities between the
tax-refund and handing a $20 note to the cashier for a purchase of a $14
CD, only to have the $6 change be handed to the next guy in line. It
was interesting to see that many of these kids did 'get it'.
Dumb kids. They must be fundamentalist right wing Bush lover Republicans
because that's just what the Bushies are actually doing to Americans -
the 'next guy in line' being the corporate rich.
Manning
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| User: "DeanAJoke" |
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| Title: Re: OT: What Bush is doing with 'your' money |
04 Dec 2003 07:14:37 AM |
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"John Manning" <jrobertm@terra.com.br> wrote in message
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Bryan wrote:
I
suspect the confusion comes from thinking that it is the Government's
money.
No. Bush is borrowind and spending *our* money.
Clinton did exactly the same thing. Can you give us some links to posts
where you complained when Clinton was doing that?
Probably not.
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| User: "Confusious" |
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| Title: Re: OT: What Bush is doing with 'your' money |
04 Dec 2003 04:25:12 AM |
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John Manning wrote:
Democrats?
Yeah, democraps and their blasted welfare handouts, aka stealing from
those who have to give to those too lazy to work
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| User: "Clovis Lark" |
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| Title: Re: OT: What Bush is doing with 'your' money |
04 Dec 2003 08:24:38 AM |
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In alt.religion.mormon Confusious <confusious@nomail.com> wrote:
John Manning wrote:
Democrats?
Yeah, democraps and their blasted welfare handouts, aka stealing from
those who have to give to those too lazy to work
OK, let's get some facts in here. Republicans led the house and with
Clinton they created the 1996 Welfare reform act. The current welfare
situation is bipartisan. The result of the bill:
50% reduction in recipients, however, those removed from assistance were
still laboring at jobs below the poverty line without access to education
that would make them potential job candidates for work providing
sustainable income. Last year, efforts were being made for further
reform. Both parties were working hard on this. Now explain your
rhetoric, which is factless.
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