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Topic: Politics > Politics-USA
User: "Paul Abeles"
Date: 24 May 2004 08:12:12 AM
Object: Our leaders are killing us.
Isn't it amazing how keen our leaders are to lead us into wars. How keen to
see their people die.
I just noticed a headline " China will defend territory no matter the cost"
Of course the cost wont be to the leaders, it will be the ordinary people
who will suffer.
Look at Bush's invasion of Iraq. Bush and his neo-cons all sitting back in
luxury whilst poor brain-washed Joe's die or become torturers.
Look at Sharon, look at Arafat.
They'll the bloody same.
A friend of mine once said. A politician should be shot once a week, just to
keep them on their toes.
.

User: "dechucka"

Title: Re: Our leaders are killing us. 24 May 2004 06:57:38 PM
"DemSoc" <DemSoc@MarxismIsEvil.com> wrote in message
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Osma Bin Ladin. Arabs are so willing to recuit people to die for them to
have an empire.

Old men should be shot to remind them not to recruit the young to fight
their wars. Especially cowards who hide in shadows and urge the murder of
civilians.

There goes Bush first up against the wall
.
User: "DemSoc"

Title: Re: Our leaders are killing us. 25 May 2004 08:25:42 AM
Well since you advocate murder of bush, how about we put you on the wall.
"dechucka" <dechucka1@spew.com.uk> wrote in message
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"DemSoc" <DemSoc@MarxismIsEvil.com> wrote in message
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Osma Bin Ladin. Arabs are so willing to recuit people to die for them to
have an empire.

Old men should be shot to remind them not to recruit the young to fight
their wars. Especially cowards who hide in shadows and urge the murder

of

civilians.


There goes Bush first up against the wall


.
User: "dechucka"

Title: Re: Our leaders are killing us. 25 May 2004 05:37:08 PM
"DemSoc" <DemSoc@MarxismIsEvil.com> wrote in message
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Well since you advocate murder of bush, how about we put you on the wall.

I do not advocate the murder of Bush you were the one who said " Old men
should be shot to remind them not to recruit the young to fight

their wars. Especially cowards who hide in shadows and urge the murder

of

civilians."

As this is a perfect description of Bush I assumed you meant him
snip
.
User: "DemSoc"

Title: Re: Our leaders are killing us. 26 May 2004 06:08:10 AM
No. I mean people like osma bin ladin.
Bush is not in the shadows.
"dechucka" <dechucka1@spew.com.uk> wrote in message
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"DemSoc" <DemSoc@MarxismIsEvil.com> wrote in message
news:c8vk1f$b22$2@news.f.de.plusline.net...

Well since you advocate murder of bush, how about we put you on the

wall.


I do not advocate the murder of Bush you were the one who said " Old men
should be shot to remind them not to recruit the young to fight

their wars. Especially cowards who hide in shadows and urge the

murder

of

civilians."


As this is a perfect description of Bush I assumed you meant him

snip


.


User: "dechucka"

Title: Re: Our leaders are killing us. 26 May 2004 05:55:08 PM
"DemSoc" <DemSoc@MarxismIsEvil.com> wrote in message
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Well since you advocate murder of bush, how about we put you on the wall.

Moronj3 your lack of understanding of the English language amazes me


"dechucka" <dechucka1@spew.com.uk> wrote in message
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"DemSoc" <DemSoc@MarxismIsEvil.com> wrote in message
news:c8t32p$1tf7$12@news.f.de.plusline.net...

Osma Bin Ladin. Arabs are so willing to recuit people to die for them

to

have an empire.

Old men should be shot to remind them not to recruit the young to

fight

their wars. Especially cowards who hide in shadows and urge the murder

of

civilians.


There goes Bush first up against the wall




.
User: "DemSoc"

Title: Re: Our leaders are killing us. 27 May 2004 07:33:06 AM
You are pathetic, obviously you nazi's are clueless and resort to personal
insults in an attempt to lower the debate down into the gutter where you
are.
"dechucka" <dechucka1@spew.com.uk> wrote in message
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"DemSoc" <DemSoc@MarxismIsEvil.com> wrote in message
news:c8vk1f$b22$2@news.f.de.plusline.net...

Well since you advocate murder of bush, how about we put you on the

wall.


Moronj3 your lack of understanding of the English language amazes me


"dechucka" <dechucka1@spew.com.uk> wrote in message
news:XZvsc.5$h07.797@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...


"DemSoc" <DemSoc@MarxismIsEvil.com> wrote in message
news:c8t32p$1tf7$12@news.f.de.plusline.net...

Osma Bin Ladin. Arabs are so willing to recuit people to die for

them

to

have an empire.

Old men should be shot to remind them not to recruit the young to

fight

their wars. Especially cowards who hide in shadows and urge the

murder

of

civilians.


There goes Bush first up against the wall






.
User: "dechucka"

Title: Re: Our leaders are killing us. 27 May 2004 05:55:16 PM
"DemSoc" <DemSoc@MarxismIsEvil.com> wrote in message
news:6eltc.13373$L.8660@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

You are pathetic, obviously you nazi's are clueless and resort to personal
insults in an attempt to lower the debate down into the gutter where you
are.

Nice bunch of insults, Hypocrite ( not an insult a satement on fact as was
my comment about your inability to comprehend English)


"dechucka" <dechucka1@spew.com.uk> wrote in message
news:qf9tc.222$rE.9198@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...


"DemSoc" <DemSoc@MarxismIsEvil.com> wrote in message
news:c8vk1f$b22$2@news.f.de.plusline.net...

Well since you advocate murder of bush, how about we put you on the

wall.


Moronj3 your lack of understanding of the English language amazes me


"dechucka" <dechucka1@spew.com.uk> wrote in message
news:XZvsc.5$h07.797@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...


"DemSoc" <DemSoc@MarxismIsEvil.com> wrote in message
news:c8t32p$1tf7$12@news.f.de.plusline.net...

Osma Bin Ladin. Arabs are so willing to recuit people to die for

them

to

have an empire.

Old men should be shot to remind them not to recruit the young to

fight

their wars. Especially cowards who hide in shadows and urge the

murder

of

civilians.


There goes Bush first up against the wall









.
User: "DemSoc"

Title: Re: Our leaders are killing us. 28 May 2004 09:29:45 AM
A statement of fact you claim? Well the is not true. You are so bent you can
not lay down straight.
"dechucka" <dechucka1@spew.com.uk> wrote in message
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"DemSoc" <DemSoc@MarxismIsEvil.com> wrote in message
news:6eltc.13373$L.8660@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

You are pathetic, obviously you nazi's are clueless and resort to

personal

insults in an attempt to lower the debate down into the gutter where you
are.


Nice bunch of insults, Hypocrite ( not an insult a satement on fact as was
my comment about your inability to comprehend English)


"dechucka" <dechucka1@spew.com.uk> wrote in message
news:qf9tc.222$rE.9198@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...


"DemSoc" <DemSoc@MarxismIsEvil.com> wrote in message
news:c8vk1f$b22$2@news.f.de.plusline.net...

Well since you advocate murder of bush, how about we put you on the

wall.


Moronj3 your lack of understanding of the English language amazes me


"dechucka" <dechucka1@spew.com.uk> wrote in message
news:XZvsc.5$h07.797@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...


"DemSoc" <DemSoc@MarxismIsEvil.com> wrote in message
news:c8t32p$1tf7$12@news.f.de.plusline.net...

Osma Bin Ladin. Arabs are so willing to recuit people to die for

them

to

have an empire.

Old men should be shot to remind them not to recruit the young

to

fight

their wars. Especially cowards who hide in shadows and urge the

murder

of

civilians.


There goes Bush first up against the wall











.

User: "DemSoc"

Title: Re: Our leaders are killing us. 28 May 2004 09:29:45 AM
PS before you go off at my english try a spell checker on yours.
"dechucka" <dechucka1@spew.com.uk> wrote in message
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"DemSoc" <DemSoc@MarxismIsEvil.com> wrote in message
news:6eltc.13373$L.8660@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

You are pathetic, obviously you nazi's are clueless and resort to

personal

insults in an attempt to lower the debate down into the gutter where you
are.


Nice bunch of insults, Hypocrite ( not an insult a satement on fact as was
my comment about your inability to comprehend English)


"dechucka" <dechucka1@spew.com.uk> wrote in message
news:qf9tc.222$rE.9198@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...


"DemSoc" <DemSoc@MarxismIsEvil.com> wrote in message
news:c8vk1f$b22$2@news.f.de.plusline.net...

Well since you advocate murder of bush, how about we put you on the

wall.


Moronj3 your lack of understanding of the English language amazes me


"dechucka" <dechucka1@spew.com.uk> wrote in message
news:XZvsc.5$h07.797@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...


"DemSoc" <DemSoc@MarxismIsEvil.com> wrote in message
news:c8t32p$1tf7$12@news.f.de.plusline.net...

Osma Bin Ladin. Arabs are so willing to recuit people to die for

them

to

have an empire.

Old men should be shot to remind them not to recruit the young

to

fight

their wars. Especially cowards who hide in shadows and urge the

murder

of

civilians.


There goes Bush first up against the wall











.






User: "The Enlightenment"

Title: Re: Our leaders are killing us. 24 May 2004 10:12:31 AM
"Paul Abeles" <abeles@bigpond.comnospam> wrote in message
news:Mwmsc.7495$L.4717@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

Isn't it amazing how keen our leaders are to lead us into wars. How

keen to

see their people die.

I just noticed a headline " China will defend territory no matter

the cost"
I am supervising a young European 'exchange' student who has just
engaged a Chinese girl studying in Australia. One of those cute
feminin skiny things that look like a doll.
The topic came up of what she would do if a war between Taiwan and
China broke out. She said she had thought of this long and hard and
decided that she must fight for her country and die if necesary.
Anyone who disassembles or lets the Chinese empire degrade or whither
is very poorly looked upon. When they say " China will defend
territory no matter the cost" they mean it and they include Taiwan.
Interestingly the European who is (I'll keep his specific nationality
secret but it's north) rather hates muslim immigrants to his country.


Of course the cost wont be to the leaders, it will be the ordinary

people

who will suffer.

Look at Bush's invasion of Iraq. Bush and his neo-cons all sitting

back in

luxury whilst poor brain-washed Joe's die or become torturers.

Look at Sharon, look at Arafat.

They'll the bloody same.

A friend of mine once said. A politician should be shot once a week,

just to

keep them on their toes.


.
User: "Paul Abeles"

Title: Re: Our leaders are killing us. 24 May 2004 10:16:41 AM
"The Enlightenment" <bernxard@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:zhosc.7638$L.1045@news-server.bigpond.net.au...


"Paul Abeles" <abeles@bigpond.comnospam> wrote in message
news:Mwmsc.7495$L.4717@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

Isn't it amazing how keen our leaders are to lead us into wars. How

keen to

see their people die.

I just noticed a headline " China will defend territory no matter

the cost"

I am supervising a young European 'exchange' student who has just
engaged a Chinese girl studying in Australia. One of those cute
feminin skiny things that look like a doll.

The topic came up of what she would do if a war between Taiwan and
China broke out. She said she had thought of this long and hard and
decided that she must fight for her country and die if necesary.

Anyone who disassembles or lets the Chinese empire degrade or whither
is very poorly looked upon. When they say " China will defend
territory no matter the cost" they mean it and they include Taiwan.

Interestingly the European who is (I'll keep his specific nationality
secret but it's north) rather hates muslim immigrants to his country.



Of course the cost wont be to the leaders, it will be the ordinary

people

who will suffer.

Look at Bush's invasion of Iraq. Bush and his neo-cons all sitting

back in

luxury whilst poor brain-washed Joe's die or become torturers.

Look at Sharon, look at Arafat.

They'll the bloody same.

A friend of mine once said. A politician should be shot once a week,

just to

keep them on their toes.

When will people think for themselves?
.


User: "JGB"

Title: Re: Our leaders are killing us. 24 May 2004 09:16:20 PM
"Paul Abeles" <abeles@bigpond.comnospam> wrote in message news:<Mwmsc.7495$L.4717@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...

Isn't it amazing how keen our leaders are to lead us into wars. How keen to
see their people die.<

If by "our leaders" you mean the US president and his cabinet, they
can be voted out within a little over 6 months from now if the
electorate
so chooses. Did the Iraqis EVER have such an option?

I just noticed a headline " China will defend territory no matter the

cost"<
Who's threatening it, Taiwan?

Of course the cost wont be to the leaders, it will be the ordinary people
who will suffer.<

Hitler blew his own brains out at the end. Had more balls in that
respect
than Saddam. But of course the masses suffer from decisions of their
leaders.
So what else is new? Night follows day, and so on. The best thing to
do is
to have a system where leaders are elected, and can be voted out of
office
too. It's called democracy, and is the best check the masses can have
on its
leadership. Unless you can propose something better.

Look at Bush's invasion of Iraq. Bush and his neo-cons all sitting back in
luxury whilst poor brain-washed Joe's die or become torturers.<

You're deep, man! You should be a friggin' filosofer.

Look at Sharon, look at Arafat.
They'll the bloody same.<

Everyone's the same: Hitler, Jesus, Moses, Muhammad, Mother Theresa,
not a dime's worth of difference between 'em.

A friend of mine once said. A politician should be shot once a week, just to
keep them on their toes.<

Gee, you're friend would make a great suicide bomber. Why don't you
recruit
him?
.
User: "Paul Abeles"

Title: Re: Our leaders are killing us. 25 May 2004 02:56:05 AM
"JGB" <jgarbuz@netzero.com> wrote in message
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"Paul Abeles" <abeles@bigpond.comnospam> wrote in message

news:<Mwmsc.7495$L.4717@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...

Isn't it amazing how keen our leaders are to lead us into wars. How keen

to

see their people die.<


If by "our leaders" you mean the US president and his cabinet, they
can be voted out within a little over 6 months from now if the
electorate
so chooses. Did the Iraqis EVER have such an option?

I include all leaders.


I just noticed a headline " China will defend territory no matter the

cost"<

Who's threatening it, Taiwan?

Of course the cost wont be to the leaders, it will be the ordinary

people

who will suffer.<


Hitler blew his own brains out at the end. Had more balls in that
respect
than Saddam. But of course the masses suffer from decisions of their
leaders.
So what else is new? Night follows day, and so on. The best thing to
do is
to have a system where leaders are elected, and can be voted out of
office
too. It's called democracy, and is the best check the masses can have
on its
leadership. Unless you can propose something better.

Look at Bush's invasion of Iraq. Bush and his neo-cons all sitting back

in

luxury whilst poor brain-washed Joe's die or become torturers.<


You're deep, man! You should be a friggin' filosofer.

Look at Sharon, look at Arafat.
They'll the bloody same.<


Everyone's the same: Hitler, Jesus, Moses, Muhammad, Mother Theresa,
not a dime's worth of difference between 'em.

A friend of mine once said. A politician should be shot once a week,

just to

keep them on their toes.<


Gee, you're friend would make a great suicide bomber. Why don't you
recruit
him?

No he is a self admitted coward. Just mention torture and he'll blab.
.


User: "Gus"

Title: Re: Our leaders are killing us. 24 May 2004 05:42:27 PM
Classical hypocrisy
"Our leaders are killing us" hence with Saddam the whole regime had to be
removed
Let's take a hypocritical example, a system is led by a charismatic person
who TELLS a good story and sells a good message
but in reality that is all they do, they live a double life, wherein they
have decieved people into thinking they actually do what they "preach".
The message maybe flawless and a good thing, but to associate the preacher
as the message and example of the message is deception.
Typical deception is negative of others and evasive about self. ie Preaching
bad about others implies you are better than others, Preaching about what is
the right thing to do implies your actually doing it. Preaching about what
great things are happening with the money implies it's all being used well.
Preaching about an excellent past implies now is good. Finding useful FACTS
from a politician or a preacher or media is rarer than an honest
salesperson.
Many "leaders" in the world are excelent "actors" and indeed they are paid
to act since charisma is not common, the messages are always tainted to
avoid accountability, since if it was blantently obvious they were
hypocrites they wouldn't be any good as a actor. Most "leaders" are masters
of the spoken word and implying a good deal, this hypocrisy and acting is
rampant in governments, media, religion and elsewhere. And there is very
little you can do about it, since the "leader" is surrounded by yes men and
fellow actors that defend their master actor, you can go into a political
event or religious event or many other "staged" events and they are
decieving the crowds in mass brainwashing or mind control, the headline
"china will defend" may seem very patriotic but really is stating "china"
not the actor preaching, very much like these "loving churches" rather than
the preacher saying "I am loving". He or She will never make promises of
themselfs without get out clauses or implications that leave room to be
evasive and deceptive. Mt7 many will say didn't we do prophecy and miracles
( both the most easily deceptive activities )
Hypocrisy in leaders always places the duty on the hearers to apply what the
hypocrite says, in Mt 23 Jesus tells people to do what the preacher says but
not what he does. To walk into a pharesees meeting the people by implication
of being present would qualify as having been decieved, infact the whole
setup is a deception much like many churches and governments and media
today.
Look at Iraq and Israel these days, the media is doind mass deception, an
arab will happily show a wedding one minute then kill the wedding party
themselfs and blame it on the americans but that side is never seen.
Oh well ...
"Paul Abeles" <abeles@bigpond.comnospam> wrote in message
news:Mwmsc.7495$L.4717@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

Isn't it amazing how keen our leaders are to lead us into wars. How keen

to

see their people die.

I just noticed a headline " China will defend territory no matter the

cost"


Of course the cost wont be to the leaders, it will be the ordinary people
who will suffer.

Look at Bush's invasion of Iraq. Bush and his neo-cons all sitting back in
luxury whilst poor brain-washed Joe's die or become torturers.

Look at Sharon, look at Arafat.

They'll the bloody same.

A friend of mine once said. A politician should be shot once a week, just

to

keep them on their toes.


.
User: "emanuel"

Title: Re: Our leaders are killing us. 24 May 2004 07:06:08 PM
Yours not to question why. Yours to do and die.
"Gus" <colonel@gus.lordsarmy> wrote in message
news:c8ttoi$nfk$1@sparta.btinternet.com...

Classical hypocrisy

"Our leaders are killing us" hence with Saddam the whole regime had to be
removed

Let's take a hypocritical example, a system is led by a charismatic person
who TELLS a good story and sells a good message
but in reality that is all they do, they live a double life, wherein they
have decieved people into thinking they actually do what they "preach".
The message maybe flawless and a good thing, but to associate the preacher
as the message and example of the message is deception.
Typical deception is negative of others and evasive about self. ie

Preaching

bad about others implies you are better than others, Preaching about what

is

the right thing to do implies your actually doing it. Preaching about what
great things are happening with the money implies it's all being used

well.

Preaching about an excellent past implies now is good. Finding useful

FACTS

from a politician or a preacher or media is rarer than an honest
salesperson.

Many "leaders" in the world are excelent "actors" and indeed they are paid
to act since charisma is not common, the messages are always tainted to
avoid accountability, since if it was blantently obvious they were
hypocrites they wouldn't be any good as a actor. Most "leaders" are

masters

of the spoken word and implying a good deal, this hypocrisy and acting is
rampant in governments, media, religion and elsewhere. And there is very
little you can do about it, since the "leader" is surrounded by yes men

and

fellow actors that defend their master actor, you can go into a political
event or religious event or many other "staged" events and they are
decieving the crowds in mass brainwashing or mind control, the headline
"china will defend" may seem very patriotic but really is stating "china"
not the actor preaching, very much like these "loving churches" rather

than

the preacher saying "I am loving". He or She will never make promises of
themselfs without get out clauses or implications that leave room to be
evasive and deceptive. Mt7 many will say didn't we do prophecy and

miracles

( both the most easily deceptive activities )

Hypocrisy in leaders always places the duty on the hearers to apply what

the

hypocrite says, in Mt 23 Jesus tells people to do what the preacher says

but

not what he does. To walk into a pharesees meeting the people by

implication

of being present would qualify as having been decieved, infact the whole
setup is a deception much like many churches and governments and media
today.

Look at Iraq and Israel these days, the media is doind mass deception, an
arab will happily show a wedding one minute then kill the wedding party
themselfs and blame it on the americans but that side is never seen.

Oh well ...

"Paul Abeles" <abeles@bigpond.comnospam> wrote in message
news:Mwmsc.7495$L.4717@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

Isn't it amazing how keen our leaders are to lead us into wars. How keen

to

see their people die.

I just noticed a headline " China will defend territory no matter the

cost"


Of course the cost wont be to the leaders, it will be the ordinary

people

who will suffer.

Look at Bush's invasion of Iraq. Bush and his neo-cons all sitting back

in

luxury whilst poor brain-washed Joe's die or become torturers.

Look at Sharon, look at Arafat.

They'll the bloody same.

A friend of mine once said. A politician should be shot once a week,

just

to

keep them on their toes.




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