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Date: 29 Dec 2007 08:11:37 AM
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http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_ralph_lo_071227_pakistan_totters_as_.htm
December 29, 2007
Pakistan Totters as Bush's "Gift" to bin Laden Bears Fruit
by Ralph Lopez
Former CIA Al Qaeda Unit Chief Michael Scheuer's 2004 scenario came
that much closer to reality today, in which George Bush's bungled
invasion of Iraq gives Al Qaeda just the battleground it needs to
attract legions of recruits, the solid propaganda of an evil empire
stealing oil money from the mouths of hungry Muslim children, in a war
against a former ally who only became bad when he stepped out of line.
In December of 2001, Al Qaeda was a desperate remnant of fighters
willing to die alongside bin Laden, and U.S. Special Forces was about
to oblige them.
Then someone somewhere - the highest order we have now came from Tommy
Franks, but did it go higher? - refused the urgent request of the
ranking Special Forces commander on the ground to seal the mountain
passes out of Tora Bora with a battalion of U.S. Army Rangers.
That commander on the ground, Gary Bernsten, wrote in "Jawbreaker: The
Attack on bin Laden and Al Qaeda":
"The biggest and most important failure on the CENTCOM leadership came
at Tora Bora when they turned down my request for a battalion of U.S.
rangers to block bin Laden's escape."
Tommy Franks insists he didn't know if bin Laden was there, but
Bernsten is blunt:
"He was there, and could have been caught."
Bernsten is corroborated by former CIA official Hank Crumpton, who
personally briefed Bush and Cheney, as well as Franks, about the need
to go after bin Laden in Tora Bora.
With the assassination of Bhutto, Pakistan is closer than ever to
civil war.
And ultimately, Islamist forces marching into Islamabad in victory, us
tied down in Iraq and not able to do a damned thing about it.
This is the first of the many dominoes bin Laden had envisioned,
including the "apostate" regimes of Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and UAE.
But most especially on bin Laden's list was Pakistan.
Writes Scheuer, in "Imperial Hubris," of bin Laden dreaming of a gift
from Allah like the invasion of Iraq:
"And then, dreamed bin Laden wildly, things would get bad for the
Americans. They would stay too long in Iraq, insist on installing a
democracy that would subordinate the long dominant Sunnis, vigorously
limit Islam's role in government, and act in ways that spotlighted
their interest in Iraq's massive oil reserves."
George Bush has much to answer for, for turning the American tragedy
of 9/11 into a spoiled rich boy's chance to get the guy who once
threatened his daddy.
He has subscribed to the Roman conception of power, in which the
battles of the prince do not need to conform to the battles of the
nation; they BECOME the battles of the nation.
As fights among royalty and its enemies play out, so does the history
of the nation.
George Bush listened to the senior White House aide quoted famously in
Ron Susskind's book, perhaps one of the tweedy, power-mad draft-dodger
intellectuals with whom Bush surrounds himself, one of "history's
actors":
"We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And
while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will --
we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study
too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors...and
you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."
The "history's actors" theory of foreign policy may work well enough
if the emperor is skillful.
But if he is not, then that emperor's tantrums, and reality, turn and
bite the nation in the *****.
_______________________________________________
Harry
.

User: "Michael"

Title: Re: Pakistan Totters as Republican Bush's "Gift" to bin Laden Bears Fruit. 29 Dec 2007 08:27:35 AM
I can't believe you guys actually think someone in the US would say no to
getting Bin Laden. Does that even make sense? Scheuer writes this stuff so
people like you(and all the other libs) buy his books. Anyone in this
administration would do anything to get Bin Laden. If that was real Pelosi
and Reid would be all over it and apparently they are not. Yes and I know
Scheuer was a big CIA guy but that doesn't mean he is credible.
Mike
http://mtaricani.blogspot.com/
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:jclcn3dg480k47uiir7ko2n3qmut8p1sq6@4ax.com...


http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_ralph_lo_071227_pakistan_totters_as_.htm

December 29, 2007

Pakistan Totters as Bush's "Gift" to bin Laden Bears Fruit

by Ralph Lopez


Former CIA Al Qaeda Unit Chief Michael Scheuer's 2004 scenario came
that much closer to reality today, in which George Bush's bungled
invasion of Iraq gives Al Qaeda just the battleground it needs to
attract legions of recruits, the solid propaganda of an evil empire
stealing oil money from the mouths of hungry Muslim children, in a war
against a former ally who only became bad when he stepped out of line.

In December of 2001, Al Qaeda was a desperate remnant of fighters
willing to die alongside bin Laden, and U.S. Special Forces was about
to oblige them.

Then someone somewhere - the highest order we have now came from Tommy
Franks, but did it go higher? - refused the urgent request of the
ranking Special Forces commander on the ground to seal the mountain
passes out of Tora Bora with a battalion of U.S. Army Rangers.

That commander on the ground, Gary Bernsten, wrote in "Jawbreaker: The
Attack on bin Laden and Al Qaeda":


"The biggest and most important failure on the CENTCOM leadership came
at Tora Bora when they turned down my request for a battalion of U.S.
rangers to block bin Laden's escape."


Tommy Franks insists he didn't know if bin Laden was there, but
Bernsten is blunt:

"He was there, and could have been caught."

Bernsten is corroborated by former CIA official Hank Crumpton, who
personally briefed Bush and Cheney, as well as Franks, about the need
to go after bin Laden in Tora Bora.

With the assassination of Bhutto, Pakistan is closer than ever to
civil war.

And ultimately, Islamist forces marching into Islamabad in victory, us
tied down in Iraq and not able to do a damned thing about it.

This is the first of the many dominoes bin Laden had envisioned,
including the "apostate" regimes of Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and UAE.

But most especially on bin Laden's list was Pakistan.

Writes Scheuer, in "Imperial Hubris," of bin Laden dreaming of a gift
from Allah like the invasion of Iraq:


"And then, dreamed bin Laden wildly, things would get bad for the
Americans. They would stay too long in Iraq, insist on installing a
democracy that would subordinate the long dominant Sunnis, vigorously
limit Islam's role in government, and act in ways that spotlighted
their interest in Iraq's massive oil reserves."


George Bush has much to answer for, for turning the American tragedy
of 9/11 into a spoiled rich boy's chance to get the guy who once
threatened his daddy.

He has subscribed to the Roman conception of power, in which the
battles of the prince do not need to conform to the battles of the
nation; they BECOME the battles of the nation.

As fights among royalty and its enemies play out, so does the history
of the nation.

George Bush listened to the senior White House aide quoted famously in
Ron Susskind's book, perhaps one of the tweedy, power-mad draft-dodger
intellectuals with whom Bush surrounds himself, one of "history's
actors":


"We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And
while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will --
we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study
too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors...and
you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."


The "history's actors" theory of foreign policy may work well enough
if the emperor is skillful.

But if he is not, then that emperor's tantrums, and reality, turn and
bite the nation in the *****.

_______________________________________________

Harry

.
User: "Sanders Kaufman"

Title: Re: Pakistan Totters as Republican Bush's "Gift" to bin Laden Bears Fruit. 29 Dec 2007 11:51:37 AM
"Michael" <mtaricani@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:QKmdnfmGDuXKxOvanZ2dnUVZ_qqgnZ2d@comcast.com...

I can't believe you guys actually think someone in the US would say no to
getting Bin Laden. Does that even make sense?

Evangelicals are always so surprised to learn that not everyone is as stupid
as they.
This is the same group who refused to believe that the Klan was lynching
black folks... even as orchards of strange fruit were cropping up all over
the south.
.
User: "Friendly Xenu"

Title: Re: Pakistan Totters as Republican Bush's "Gift" to bin Laden Bears Fruit. 31 Dec 2007 03:13:30 PM
"Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> wrote:

"Michael" <mtaricani@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:QKmdnfmGDuXKxOvanZ2dnUVZ_qqgnZ2d@comcast.com...

I can't believe you guys actually think someone in the US would say no to
getting Bin Laden. Does that even make sense?

Evangelicals are always so surprised to learn that not everyone is as stupid as they.

Michael doesn't know whathistory has to say about the subject. This
fascist State didn't want to stop Osama bin Laden before or after the
Saudi's attacks against us. The motive has always been money.
---
"I don't subscribe to the principle that there are good Muslims and
bad Muslims. They're all Muslims." -- Christian terrorist John Deady
.

User: "Michael"

Title: Re: Pakistan Totters as Republican Bush's "Gift" to bin Laden Bears Fruit. 29 Dec 2007 01:17:11 PM
What are you talking about? The Klan? Are you saying republicans support the
Klan? Check your history on Sen Byrd-a Democrat who I believe was an
imperial wizard in the Klan while in office. Also check your history and see
the civil rights act vote in the 60's. More democrats were against it than
republicans and if not for republican support it would have not been passed.
How about the African Americans in high position in the administration like
Condi Rice?
By the way...I'm not an evangelical.
Mike
http://mtaricani.blogspot.com/
"Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> wrote in message
news:FOvdj.139$jJ5.16@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net...

"Michael" <mtaricani@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:QKmdnfmGDuXKxOvanZ2dnUVZ_qqgnZ2d@comcast.com...

I can't believe you guys actually think someone in the US would say no to
getting Bin Laden. Does that even make sense?


Evangelicals are always so surprised to learn that not everyone is as
stupid as they.
This is the same group who refused to believe that the Klan was lynching
black folks... even as orchards of strange fruit were cropping up all over
the south.



.
User: "Sanders Kaufman"

Title: Re: Pakistan Totters as Republican Bush's "Gift" to bin Laden Bears Fruit. 29 Dec 2007 01:22:01 PM
"Michael" <mtaricani@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:VNWdnWe8HbqqAOvanZ2dnUVZ_qSonZ2d@comcast.com...

What are you talking about? The Klan? Are you saying republicans support
the Klan? Check your history on Sen Byrd-a Democrat who I believe was an
imperial wizard in the Klan while in office.

No - I didn't say that at all.
That's just your Evangelical mind morphing it into something it isn't.

By the way...I'm not an evangelical.

That statement would be much more believable if you had not made it in the
context of evangelizing your faith.
.

User: "Sid9"

Title: Re: Pakistan Totters as Republican Bush's "Gift" to bin Laden Bears Fruit. 29 Dec 2007 03:14:45 PM
*Try to drag your self*
*into the 21st Century*
Michael wrote:

What are you talking about? The Klan? Are you saying republicans
support the Klan? Check your history on Sen Byrd-a Democrat who I
believe was an imperial wizard in the Klan while in office. Also
check your history and see the civil rights act vote in the 60's.
More democrats were against it than republicans and if not for
republican support it would have not been passed. How about the
African Americans in high position in the administration like Condi
Rice?
By the way...I'm not an evangelical.

Mike
http://mtaricani.blogspot.com/




"Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> wrote in message
news:FOvdj.139$jJ5.16@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net...

"Michael" <mtaricani@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:QKmdnfmGDuXKxOvanZ2dnUVZ_qqgnZ2d@comcast.com...

I can't believe you guys actually think someone in the US would say
no to getting Bin Laden. Does that even make sense?


Evangelicals are always so surprised to learn that not everyone is as
stupid as they.
This is the same group who refused to believe that the Klan was
lynching black folks... even as orchards of strange fruit were
cropping up all over the south.

.

User: "Rich Travsky"

Title: Re: Pakistan Totters as Republican Bush's "Gift" to bin Laden BearsFruit. 30 Dec 2007 12:34:01 AM
Michael wrote:


What are you talking about? The Klan? Are you saying republicans support the
Klan? Check your history on Sen Byrd-a Democrat who I believe was an

http://backissues.cjrarchives.org/year/92/1/picayune.asp
...
In early March 1989, after his legislative victory, Duke
addressed a Populist party convention in Chicago, telling
the audience of neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and skinheads
that he had run for office under the GOP label "because that's
where so many of our people are," adding, "I am a Republican,
but I am and always will be a Populist Republican!" Unbeknownst
to Duke, an opponent tape-recorded his remarks and later offered
the story to the Picayune.
...

imperial wizard in the Klan while in office. Also check your history and see
the civil rights act vote in the 60's. More democrats were against it than
republicans and if not for republican support it would have not been passed.
How about the African Americans in high position in the administration like
Condi Rice?

List all the black republicons in Congress ->
Ask McCain about how the republicons treated him.
.



User: "Passerby"

Title: Re: Pakistan Totters as Republican Bush's "Gift" to bin Laden Bears Fruit. 29 Dec 2007 12:46:05 PM
"Michael" <mtaricani@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:QKmdnfmGDuXKxOvanZ2dnUVZ_qqgnZ2d@comcast.com...

I can't believe you guys actually think someone in the US would say no to
getting Bin Laden. Does that even make sense? Scheuer writes this stuff so
people like you(and all the other libs) buy his books. Anyone in this
administration would do anything to get Bin Laden. If that was real Pelosi
and Reid would be all over it and apparently they are not. Yes and I know
Scheuer was a big CIA guy but that doesn't mean he is credible.

Mike

http://mtaricani.blogspot.com/

*You* guys actually thought Clinton did, yes?
Did that even make sense?
You know the stories: "Silver Platter" " Clinton had 7 gazillion chances to
get binLaden".








"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:jclcn3dg480k47uiir7ko2n3qmut8p1sq6@4ax.com...


http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_ralph_lo_071227_pakistan_totters_as_.htm

December 29, 2007

Pakistan Totters as Bush's "Gift" to bin Laden Bears Fruit

by Ralph Lopez


Former CIA Al Qaeda Unit Chief Michael Scheuer's 2004 scenario came
that much closer to reality today, in which George Bush's bungled
invasion of Iraq gives Al Qaeda just the battleground it needs to
attract legions of recruits, the solid propaganda of an evil empire
stealing oil money from the mouths of hungry Muslim children, in a war
against a former ally who only became bad when he stepped out of line.

In December of 2001, Al Qaeda was a desperate remnant of fighters
willing to die alongside bin Laden, and U.S. Special Forces was about
to oblige them.

Then someone somewhere - the highest order we have now came from Tommy
Franks, but did it go higher? - refused the urgent request of the
ranking Special Forces commander on the ground to seal the mountain
passes out of Tora Bora with a battalion of U.S. Army Rangers.

That commander on the ground, Gary Bernsten, wrote in "Jawbreaker: The
Attack on bin Laden and Al Qaeda":


"The biggest and most important failure on the CENTCOM leadership came
at Tora Bora when they turned down my request for a battalion of U.S.
rangers to block bin Laden's escape."


Tommy Franks insists he didn't know if bin Laden was there, but
Bernsten is blunt:

"He was there, and could have been caught."

Bernsten is corroborated by former CIA official Hank Crumpton, who
personally briefed Bush and Cheney, as well as Franks, about the need
to go after bin Laden in Tora Bora.

With the assassination of Bhutto, Pakistan is closer than ever to
civil war.

And ultimately, Islamist forces marching into Islamabad in victory, us
tied down in Iraq and not able to do a damned thing about it.

This is the first of the many dominoes bin Laden had envisioned,
including the "apostate" regimes of Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and UAE.

But most especially on bin Laden's list was Pakistan.

Writes Scheuer, in "Imperial Hubris," of bin Laden dreaming of a gift
from Allah like the invasion of Iraq:


"And then, dreamed bin Laden wildly, things would get bad for the
Americans. They would stay too long in Iraq, insist on installing a
democracy that would subordinate the long dominant Sunnis, vigorously
limit Islam's role in government, and act in ways that spotlighted
their interest in Iraq's massive oil reserves."


George Bush has much to answer for, for turning the American tragedy
of 9/11 into a spoiled rich boy's chance to get the guy who once
threatened his daddy.

He has subscribed to the Roman conception of power, in which the
battles of the prince do not need to conform to the battles of the
nation; they BECOME the battles of the nation.

As fights among royalty and its enemies play out, so does the history
of the nation.

George Bush listened to the senior White House aide quoted famously in
Ron Susskind's book, perhaps one of the tweedy, power-mad draft-dodger
intellectuals with whom Bush surrounds himself, one of "history's
actors":


"We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And
while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will --
we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study
too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors...and
you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."


The "history's actors" theory of foreign policy may work well enough
if the emperor is skillful.

But if he is not, then that emperor's tantrums, and reality, turn and
bite the nation in the *****.

_______________________________________________

Harry



.
User: "Sanders Kaufman"

Title: Re: Pakistan Totters as Republican Bush's "Gift" to bin Laden Bears Fruit. 29 Dec 2007 01:22:01 PM
"Passerby" <MrE@midnight.net> wrote in message
news:NBwdj.26997$k27.22666@bignews2.bellsouth.net...


You know the stories: "Silver Platter" " Clinton had 7 gazillion chances
to get binLaden".

The only thing he lacked was the cooperation of the Republican legsilature.
.


User: "Friendly Xenu"

Title: Re: Pakistan Totters as Republican Bush's "Gift" to bin Laden Bears Fruit. 29 Dec 2007 11:53:09 AM
"Michael" <mtaricani@comcast.net> wrote:

I can't believe you guys actually think someone in the US would say no to
getting Bin Laden. Does that even make sense?

It doesn't when you're committig treason against the United States,
giving our supposed enemies everything they prayed to Allah for.
George W. Bush is a Christian terrorist.

"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:jclcn3dg480k47uiir7ko2n3qmut8p1sq6@4ax.com...

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_ralph_lo_071227_pakistan_totters_as_.htm

---
"I don't subscribe to the principle that there are good Muslims and
bad Muslims. They're all Muslims." -- Christian terrorist John Deady
.

User: "Rich Travsky"

Title: Re: Pakistan Totters as Republican Bush's "Gift" to bin Laden BearsFruit. 29 Dec 2007 11:53:41 PM
Michael wrote:


I can't believe you guys actually think someone in the US would say no to
getting Bin Laden. Does that even make sense? Scheuer writes this stuff so
people like you(and all the other libs) buy his books. Anyone in this
administration would do anything to get Bin Laden. If that was real Pelosi
and Reid would be all over it and apparently they are not. Yes and I know
Scheuer was a big CIA guy but that doesn't mean he is credible.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
...
So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him,
Kelly, to be honest with you.
...
I truly am not that concerned about him.
...
.


User: "Zeno"

Title: Re: Pakistan Totters as Republican Bush's "Gift" to bin Laden Bears Fruit. 29 Dec 2007 11:11:07 AM
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 09:11:37 -0500, Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:

With the assassination of Bhutto, Pakistan is closer than ever to
civil war.

Spam away Harry. Another narcissistic IDIOT islamo-fascist has died
for your muslim cause by murdering Bhutto...
.
User: "Sid9"

Title: Re: Pakistan Totters as Republican Bush's "Gift" to bin Laden Bears Fruit. 29 Dec 2007 11:14:01 AM
Zeno wrote:

On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 09:11:37 -0500, Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:

With the assassination of Bhutto, Pakistan is closer than ever to
civil war.


Spam away Harry. Another narcissistic IDIOT islamo-fascist has died
for your muslim cause by murdering Bhutto...

Failed jr's Republican
policies are the DIRECT
cause of her death.
You are an apologist
for Republican failures
of American foreign
policy
.



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