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"Hatto von Aquitanien" |
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31 Jul 2007 02:51:51 AM |
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Palast Joins the Coincidentalist Whakcos |
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3240519158739884416
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| User: "JHR" |
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| Title: Re: Palast Joins the Coincidentalist Whakcos |
31 Jul 2007 11:33:29 AM |
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"Hatto von Aquitanien" <abbot@AugiaDives.hre> wrote in message
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3240519158739884416
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Greg Palast is just a ***** with a book to sell.
He obviously hasn't seen the pictures, has an agenda, (or he's in denial) of
the angle at which the 4" steel was cut by the incendiary cutter charges.
And how convenient was that to quickly ship the evidence (all of the steel)
to Asia to be melted down. The U.S. couldn't have melted it down?
How about the explosions under ground level BEFORE the planes hit.
The list goes on and on.
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-6708190071483512003
http://www.ae911truth.org/
The core structures contained the building services such as elevators, and
plumbing and cabling shafts. It would have been easy for people who
controlled building security to surreptitiously install devices in hidden
portions of the cores.
Recall that Marvin Bush was Director of a company that was responsible for
WTC complex Security until 2000.
You can see charges going off way below where the collapse is occuring.
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html#altering
Remember, there has NEVER been a steel high-rise collapse due to fire.
NEVER.
Independent
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| User: "PK" |
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| Title: Re: Palast Joins the Coincidentalist Whakcos |
31 Jul 2007 12:17:27 PM |
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"JHR" <BadEnergyPolicy@USA.com> wrote in message
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"Hatto von Aquitanien" <abbot@AugiaDives.hre> wrote in message
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3240519158739884416
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Greg Palast is just a ***** with a book to sell.
He obviously hasn't seen the pictures, has an agenda, (or he's in denial)
of the angle at which the 4" steel was cut by the incendiary cutter
charges.
Wow.. a lot of unfounded assertion there..
And how convenient was that to quickly ship the evidence (all of the
steel) to Asia to be melted down. The U.S. couldn't have melted it down?
Presumably, whoever bought the scrap melted it down.
How about the explosions under ground level BEFORE the planes hit.
What are you referring to here, I wonder?
The list goes on and on.
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-6708190071483512003
http://www.ae911truth.org/
The core structures contained the building services such as elevators, and
plumbing and cabling shafts. It would have been easy for people who
controlled building security to surreptitiously install devices in hidden
portions of the cores.
So you assert. Without evidence.
Recall that Marvin Bush was Director of a company that was responsible for
WTC complex Security until 2000.
You can see charges going off way below where the collapse is occuring.
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html#altering
Nothing in that link supports your assertion..
Remember, there has NEVER been a steel high-rise collapse due to fire.
NEVER.
There has never been a building that had a rather large airliner impact it
either. Nor has there ever been a building that has been impacted by debris
and the seismic effects of a nearby building which has been hit by an
airliner.
Independent
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| User: "JHR" |
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| Title: Re: Palast Joins the Coincidentalist Whakcos |
31 Jul 2007 02:03:26 PM |
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3240519158739884416
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Greg Palast is just a ***** with a book to sell.
He obviously hasn't seen the pictures, has an agenda, (or he's in denial)
of the angle at which the 4" steel was cut by the incendiary cutter
charges.
Wow.. a lot of unfounded assertion there..
And how convenient was that to quickly ship the evidence (all of the
steel) to Asia to be melted down. The U.S. couldn't have melted it down?
Presumably, whoever bought the scrap melted it down.
How about the explosions under ground level BEFORE the planes hit.
What are you referring to here, I wonder?
The list goes on and on.
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-6708190071483512003
http://www.ae911truth.org/
The core structures contained the building services such as elevators,
and plumbing and cabling shafts. It would have been easy for people who
controlled building security to surreptitiously install devices in hidden
portions of the cores.
So you assert. Without evidence.
Recall that Marvin Bush was Director of a company that was responsible
for WTC complex Security until 2000.
You can see charges going off way below where the collapse is occuring.
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html#altering
Nothing in that link supports your assertion..
Remember, there has NEVER been a steel high-rise collapse due to fire.
NEVER.
There has never been a building that had a rather large airliner impact it
either. Nor has there ever been a building that has been impacted by
debris and the seismic effects of a nearby building which has been hit by
an airliner.
Independent
PK said:
"There has never been a building that had a rather large airliner impact it
either. Nor has there ever been a building that has been impacted by debris
and the seismic effects of a nearby building which has been hit by an
airliner."
What kind of BS is that....."seismic effets of a nearby building blah blah
blah?
The towers were designed for constant 140 mph hurricane winds.
You must be fairly young (I won't hold that against you) and don't recall
the B-52 bomber hitting the Empire State Building at the 79th floor.
http://history1900s.about.com/od/1940s/a/empirecrash.htm
In the short time you took to respond with no intelligent rebuttal or
explanations, you couldn't have read through the links I provided.
I suggest you turn off the radio (e.g. Rush Limbaugh or whoever), and the
television (nothing but junk on it anyway), and start reading instead of
listening and watching garbage.
Please open your mind and stop listening to rhetoric.
Independent
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| User: "PK" |
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| Title: Re: Palast Joins the Coincidentalist Whakcos |
31 Jul 2007 03:06:04 PM |
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3240519158739884416
--
Greg Palast is just a ***** with a book to sell.
He obviously hasn't seen the pictures, has an agenda, (or he's in
denial) of the angle at which the 4" steel was cut by the incendiary
cutter charges.
Wow.. a lot of unfounded assertion there..
And how convenient was that to quickly ship the evidence (all of the
steel) to Asia to be melted down. The U.S. couldn't have melted it down?
Presumably, whoever bought the scrap melted it down.
How about the explosions under ground level BEFORE the planes hit.
What are you referring to here, I wonder?
The list goes on and on.
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-6708190071483512003
http://www.ae911truth.org/
The core structures contained the building services such as elevators,
and plumbing and cabling shafts. It would have been easy for people who
controlled building security to surreptitiously install devices in
hidden portions of the cores.
So you assert. Without evidence.
Recall that Marvin Bush was Director of a company that was responsible
for WTC complex Security until 2000.
You can see charges going off way below where the collapse is occuring.
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html#altering
Nothing in that link supports your assertion..
Remember, there has NEVER been a steel high-rise collapse due to fire.
NEVER.
There has never been a building that had a rather large airliner impact
it either. Nor has there ever been a building that has been impacted by
debris and the seismic effects of a nearby building which has been hit by
an airliner.
Independent
PK said:
"There has never been a building that had a rather large airliner impact
it
either. Nor has there ever been a building that has been impacted by
debris
and the seismic effects of a nearby building which has been hit by an
airliner."
What kind of BS is that....."seismic effets of a nearby building blah blah
blah?
YOu mean you haven't considered it?
The towers were designed for constant 140 mph hurricane winds.
So?
You must be fairly young (I won't hold that against you) and don't recall
the B-52 bomber hitting the Empire State Building at the 79th floor.
http://history1900s.about.com/od/1940s/a/empirecrash.htm
err... B25. Bit of a difference.
In the short time you took to respond with no intelligent rebuttal or
explanations, you couldn't have read through the links I provided.
I suggest you turn off the radio (e.g. Rush Limbaugh or whoever), and the
television (nothing but junk on it anyway), and start reading instead of
listening and watching garbage.
Lack of content noted
Please open your mind and stop listening to rhetoric.
I'm certainly not, I'm relying on facts
Independent
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| User: "JHR" |
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31 Jul 2007 03:22:52 PM |
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3240519158739884416
--
Greg Palast is just a ***** with a book to sell.
He obviously hasn't seen the pictures, has an agenda, (or he's in
denial) of the angle at which the 4" steel was cut by the incendiary
cutter charges.
Wow.. a lot of unfounded assertion there..
And how convenient was that to quickly ship the evidence (all of the
steel) to Asia to be melted down. The U.S. couldn't have melted it
down?
Presumably, whoever bought the scrap melted it down.
How about the explosions under ground level BEFORE the planes hit.
What are you referring to here, I wonder?
The list goes on and on.
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-6708190071483512003
http://www.ae911truth.org/
The core structures contained the building services such as elevators,
and plumbing and cabling shafts. It would have been easy for people who
controlled building security to surreptitiously install devices in
hidden portions of the cores.
So you assert. Without evidence.
Recall that Marvin Bush was Director of a company that was responsible
for WTC complex Security until 2000.
You can see charges going off way below where the collapse is occuring.
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html#altering
Nothing in that link supports your assertion..
Remember, there has NEVER been a steel high-rise collapse due to fire.
NEVER.
There has never been a building that had a rather large airliner impact
it either. Nor has there ever been a building that has been impacted by
debris and the seismic effects of a nearby building which has been hit
by an airliner.
Independent
PK said:
"There has never been a building that had a rather large airliner impact
it
either. Nor has there ever been a building that has been impacted by
debris
and the seismic effects of a nearby building which has been hit by an
airliner."
What kind of BS is that....."seismic effets of a nearby building blah
blah blah?
YOu mean you haven't considered it?
The towers were designed for constant 140 mph hurricane winds.
So?
You must be fairly young (I won't hold that against you) and don't recall
the B-52 bomber hitting the Empire State Building at the 79th floor.
http://history1900s.about.com/od/1940s/a/empirecrash.htm
err... B25. Bit of a difference.
In the short time you took to respond with no intelligent rebuttal or
explanations, you couldn't have read through the links I provided.
I suggest you turn off the radio (e.g. Rush Limbaugh or whoever), and the
television (nothing but junk on it anyway), and start reading instead of
listening and watching garbage.
Lack of content noted
Please open your mind and stop listening to rhetoric.
I'm certainly not, I'm relying on facts
Independent
And what facts would those be? I've showed you plenty of websites with
information and evidence suggesting that the official story is just that...a
story.
If you read through them, which I doubt you have already, then you may come
away with some new knowledge that the official story doesn't wash.
Too many credible people are not buying into the official story. If you look
through this evidence, I think you will agree with them.
Independent
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| User: "PK" |
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31 Jul 2007 03:27:54 PM |
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3240519158739884416
--
Greg Palast is just a ***** with a book to sell.
He obviously hasn't seen the pictures, has an agenda, (or he's in
denial) of the angle at which the 4" steel was cut by the incendiary
cutter charges.
Wow.. a lot of unfounded assertion there..
And how convenient was that to quickly ship the evidence (all of the
steel) to Asia to be melted down. The U.S. couldn't have melted it
down?
Presumably, whoever bought the scrap melted it down.
How about the explosions under ground level BEFORE the planes hit.
What are you referring to here, I wonder?
The list goes on and on.
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-6708190071483512003
http://www.ae911truth.org/
The core structures contained the building services such as elevators,
and plumbing and cabling shafts. It would have been easy for people
who controlled building security to surreptitiously install devices in
hidden portions of the cores.
So you assert. Without evidence.
Recall that Marvin Bush was Director of a company that was responsible
for WTC complex Security until 2000.
You can see charges going off way below where the collapse is
occuring.
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html#altering
Nothing in that link supports your assertion..
Remember, there has NEVER been a steel high-rise collapse due to fire.
NEVER.
There has never been a building that had a rather large airliner impact
it either. Nor has there ever been a building that has been impacted by
debris and the seismic effects of a nearby building which has been hit
by an airliner.
Independent
PK said:
"There has never been a building that had a rather large airliner impact
it
either. Nor has there ever been a building that has been impacted by
debris
and the seismic effects of a nearby building which has been hit by an
airliner."
What kind of BS is that....."seismic effets of a nearby building blah
blah blah?
YOu mean you haven't considered it?
The towers were designed for constant 140 mph hurricane winds.
So?
You must be fairly young (I won't hold that against you) and don't
recall the B-52 bomber hitting the Empire State Building at the 79th
floor.
http://history1900s.about.com/od/1940s/a/empirecrash.htm
err... B25. Bit of a difference.
In the short time you took to respond with no intelligent rebuttal or
explanations, you couldn't have read through the links I provided.
I suggest you turn off the radio (e.g. Rush Limbaugh or whoever), and
the television (nothing but junk on it anyway), and start reading
instead of listening and watching garbage.
Lack of content noted
Please open your mind and stop listening to rhetoric.
I'm certainly not, I'm relying on facts
Independent
And what facts would those be?
Well, the expected temperature of an office-furnishing fuelled fire and teh
effect it would have on the strength of steel, for one thing.
(not to metion the fact it was a B25 and not a B52 which hit the Empire
State in 1940 ;-) )
I've showed you plenty of websites with information and evidence
suggesting that the official story is just that...a story.
Plenty of assertion, very little evidence
If you read through them, which I doubt you have already, then you may
come away with some new knowledge that the official story doesn't wash.
I have seen the same recycled kook claims for about 6 years now.
Too many credible people are not buying into the official story. If you
look through this evidence, I think you will agree with them.
Not if you understand it...
Independent
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| User: "JHR" |
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| Title: Re: Palast Joins the Coincidentalist Whakcos |
31 Jul 2007 03:40:13 PM |
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3240519158739884416
--
Greg Palast is just a ***** with a book to sell.
He obviously hasn't seen the pictures, has an agenda, (or he's in
denial) of the angle at which the 4" steel was cut by the incendiary
cutter charges.
Wow.. a lot of unfounded assertion there..
And how convenient was that to quickly ship the evidence (all of the
steel) to Asia to be melted down. The U.S. couldn't have melted it
down?
Presumably, whoever bought the scrap melted it down.
How about the explosions under ground level BEFORE the planes hit.
What are you referring to here, I wonder?
The list goes on and on.
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-6708190071483512003
http://www.ae911truth.org/
The core structures contained the building services such as
elevators, and plumbing and cabling shafts. It would have been easy
for people who controlled building security to surreptitiously
install devices in hidden portions of the cores.
So you assert. Without evidence.
Recall that Marvin Bush was Director of a company that was
responsible for WTC complex Security until 2000.
You can see charges going off way below where the collapse is
occuring.
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html#altering
Nothing in that link supports your assertion..
Remember, there has NEVER been a steel high-rise collapse due to
fire. NEVER.
There has never been a building that had a rather large airliner
impact it either. Nor has there ever been a building that has been
impacted by debris and the seismic effects of a nearby building which
has been hit by an airliner.
Independent
PK said:
"There has never been a building that had a rather large airliner
impact it
either. Nor has there ever been a building that has been impacted by
debris
and the seismic effects of a nearby building which has been hit by an
airliner."
What kind of BS is that....."seismic effets of a nearby building blah
blah blah?
YOu mean you haven't considered it?
The towers were designed for constant 140 mph hurricane winds.
So?
You must be fairly young (I won't hold that against you) and don't
recall the B-52 bomber hitting the Empire State Building at the 79th
floor.
http://history1900s.about.com/od/1940s/a/empirecrash.htm
err... B25. Bit of a difference.
In the short time you took to respond with no intelligent rebuttal or
explanations, you couldn't have read through the links I provided.
I suggest you turn off the radio (e.g. Rush Limbaugh or whoever), and
the television (nothing but junk on it anyway), and start reading
instead of listening and watching garbage.
Lack of content noted
Please open your mind and stop listening to rhetoric.
I'm certainly not, I'm relying on facts
Independent
And what facts would those be?
Well, the expected temperature of an office-furnishing fuelled fire and
teh effect it would have on the strength of steel, for one thing.
(not to metion the fact it was a B25 and not a B52 which hit the Empire
State in 1940 ;-) )
I've showed you plenty of websites with information and evidence
suggesting that the official story is just that...a story.
Plenty of assertion, very little evidence
If you read through them, which I doubt you have already, then you may
come away with some new knowledge that the official story doesn't wash.
I have seen the same recycled kook claims for about 6 years now.
Too many credible people are not buying into the official story. If you
look through this evidence, I think you will agree with them.
Not if you understand it...
Independent
PK said:
err... B25. Bit of a difference."
Big deal. Look at the building. The Empire State Building wasn't nearly the
technological marvel as the twin towers were.
You provide nothing to add other than the official story.
Have a good day.
Independent
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| User: "PK" |
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31 Jul 2007 03:51:13 PM |
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3240519158739884416
--
Greg Palast is just a ***** with a book to sell.
He obviously hasn't seen the pictures, has an agenda, (or he's in
denial) of the angle at which the 4" steel was cut by the incendiary
cutter charges.
Wow.. a lot of unfounded assertion there..
And how convenient was that to quickly ship the evidence (all of the
steel) to Asia to be melted down. The U.S. couldn't have melted it
down?
Presumably, whoever bought the scrap melted it down.
How about the explosions under ground level BEFORE the planes hit.
What are you referring to here, I wonder?
The list goes on and on.
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-6708190071483512003
http://www.ae911truth.org/
The core structures contained the building services such as
elevators, and plumbing and cabling shafts. It would have been easy
for people who controlled building security to surreptitiously
install devices in hidden portions of the cores.
So you assert. Without evidence.
Recall that Marvin Bush was Director of a company that was
responsible for WTC complex Security until 2000.
You can see charges going off way below where the collapse is
occuring.
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html#altering
Nothing in that link supports your assertion..
Remember, there has NEVER been a steel high-rise collapse due to
fire. NEVER.
There has never been a building that had a rather large airliner
impact it either. Nor has there ever been a building that has been
impacted by debris and the seismic effects of a nearby building which
has been hit by an airliner.
Independent
PK said:
"There has never been a building that had a rather large airliner
impact it
either. Nor has there ever been a building that has been impacted by
debris
and the seismic effects of a nearby building which has been hit by an
airliner."
What kind of BS is that....."seismic effets of a nearby building blah
blah blah?
YOu mean you haven't considered it?
The towers were designed for constant 140 mph hurricane winds.
So?
You must be fairly young (I won't hold that against you) and don't
recall the B-52 bomber hitting the Empire State Building at the 79th
floor.
http://history1900s.about.com/od/1940s/a/empirecrash.htm
err... B25. Bit of a difference.
In the short time you took to respond with no intelligent rebuttal or
explanations, you couldn't have read through the links I provided.
I suggest you turn off the radio (e.g. Rush Limbaugh or whoever), and
the television (nothing but junk on it anyway), and start reading
instead of listening and watching garbage.
Lack of content noted
Please open your mind and stop listening to rhetoric.
I'm certainly not, I'm relying on facts
Independent
And what facts would those be?
Well, the expected temperature of an office-furnishing fuelled fire and
teh effect it would have on the strength of steel, for one thing.
Well?
(not to metion the fact it was a B25 and not a B52 which hit the Empire
State in 1940 ;-) )
I've showed you plenty of websites with information and evidence
suggesting that the official story is just that...a story.
Plenty of assertion, very little evidence
If you read through them, which I doubt you have already, then you may
come away with some new knowledge that the official story doesn't wash.
I have seen the same recycled kook claims for about 6 years now.
Well?
Too many credible people are not buying into the official story. If you
look through this evidence, I think you will agree with them.
Not if you understand it...
Independent
PK said:
err... B25. Bit of a difference."
Big deal. Look at the building. The Empire State Building wasn't nearly
the technological marvel as the twin towers were.
...and a b52 is really rather a lot larger, heavier, and faster than a B25.
Facts are important, you know.
You provide nothing to add other than the official story.
And you provide nothing that contradicts it. Hell, as I said, yuo haven't
added anything to teh same old tired kook-claims that have been circultaing
for 6 years now.
Have a good day.
Independent
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03 Aug 2007 12:43:41 PM |
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3240519158739884416
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Greg Palast is just a ***** with a book to sell.
He obviously hasn't seen the pictures, has an agenda, (or he's in
denial) of the angle at which the 4" steel was cut by the
incendiary cutter charges.
Wow.. a lot of unfounded assertion there..
And how convenient was that to quickly ship the evidence (all of
the steel) to Asia to be melted down. The U.S. couldn't have melted
it down?
Presumably, whoever bought the scrap melted it down.
How about the explosions under ground level BEFORE the planes hit.
What are you referring to here, I wonder?
The list goes on and on.
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-6708190071483512003
http://www.ae911truth.org/
The core structures contained the building services such as
elevators, and plumbing and cabling shafts. It would have been easy
for people who controlled building security to surreptitiously
install devices in hidden portions of the cores.
So you assert. Without evidence.
Recall that Marvin Bush was Director of a company that was
responsible for WTC complex Security until 2000.
You can see charges going off way below where the collapse is
occuring.
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html#altering
Nothing in that link supports your assertion..
Remember, there has NEVER been a steel high-rise collapse due to
fire. NEVER.
There has never been a building that had a rather large airliner
impact it either. Nor has there ever been a building that has been
impacted by debris and the seismic effects of a nearby building
which has been hit by an airliner.
Independent
PK said:
"There has never been a building that had a rather large airliner
impact it
either. Nor has there ever been a building that has been impacted by
debris
and the seismic effects of a nearby building which has been hit by an
airliner."
What kind of BS is that....."seismic effets of a nearby building blah
blah blah?
YOu mean you haven't considered it?
The towers were designed for constant 140 mph hurricane winds.
So?
You must be fairly young (I won't hold that against you) and don't
recall the B-52 bomber hitting the Empire State Building at the 79th
floor.
http://history1900s.about.com/od/1940s/a/empirecrash.htm
err... B25. Bit of a difference.
In the short time you took to respond with no intelligent rebuttal or
explanations, you couldn't have read through the links I provided.
I suggest you turn off the radio (e.g. Rush Limbaugh or whoever), and
the television (nothing but junk on it anyway), and start reading
instead of listening and watching garbage.
Lack of content noted
Please open your mind and stop listening to rhetoric.
I'm certainly not, I'm relying on facts
Independent
And what facts would those be?
Well, the expected temperature of an office-furnishing fuelled fire and
teh effect it would have on the strength of steel, for one thing.
Well?
There is no evidence that any steel recovered from the fire-involved areas
and examined by NIST reached anywhere near the temperatures necessary to
compromise the structural integrity of the buildings.
(not to metion the fact it was a B25 and not a B52 which hit the Empire
State in 1940 ;-) )
I've showed you plenty of websites with information and evidence
suggesting that the official story is just that...a story.
Plenty of assertion, very little evidence
If you read through them, which I doubt you have already, then you may
come away with some new knowledge that the official story doesn't wash.
I have seen the same recycled kook claims for about 6 years now.
Well?
Doesn't explain in any way the collapse of the WTC. See the NIST report for
details.
Too many credible people are not buying into the official story. If you
look through this evidence, I think you will agree with them.
Not if you understand it...
Independent
PK said:
err... B25. Bit of a difference."
Big deal. Look at the building. The Empire State Building wasn't nearly
the technological marvel as the twin towers were.
..and a b52 is really rather a lot larger, heavier, and faster than a B25.
Facts are important, you know.
It doesn't make a bit of difference. The Twin Towers were still oscillating
with a healthy resonance after being struck. They were not significantly
structurally compromised by the impacts.
You provide nothing to add other than the official story.
And you provide nothing that contradicts it. Hell, as I said, yuo haven't
added anything to teh same old tired kook-claims that have been
circultaing for 6 years now.
The color and intensity of the glow from the molten metal flowing from WTC 2
cannot be explained by the OCT.
--
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ek5w_wtc7-the-smoking-gun-of-911-updated
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://vehme.blogspot.com
Virtus Tutissima Cassis
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| User: "PK" |
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03 Aug 2007 01:46:48 PM |
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3240519158739884416
--
Greg Palast is just a ***** with a book to sell.
He obviously hasn't seen the pictures, has an agenda, (or he's in
denial) of the angle at which the 4" steel was cut by the
incendiary cutter charges.
Wow.. a lot of unfounded assertion there..
And how convenient was that to quickly ship the evidence (all of
the steel) to Asia to be melted down. The U.S. couldn't have
melted
it down?
Presumably, whoever bought the scrap melted it down.
How about the explosions under ground level BEFORE the planes hit.
What are you referring to here, I wonder?
The list goes on and on.
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-6708190071483512003
http://www.ae911truth.org/
The core structures contained the building services such as
elevators, and plumbing and cabling shafts. It would have been
easy
for people who controlled building security to surreptitiously
install devices in hidden portions of the cores.
So you assert. Without evidence.
Recall that Marvin Bush was Director of a company that was
responsible for WTC complex Security until 2000.
You can see charges going off way below where the collapse is
occuring.
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html#altering
Nothing in that link supports your assertion..
Remember, there has NEVER been a steel high-rise collapse due to
fire. NEVER.
There has never been a building that had a rather large airliner
impact it either. Nor has there ever been a building that has been
impacted by debris and the seismic effects of a nearby building
which has been hit by an airliner.
Independent
PK said:
"There has never been a building that had a rather large airliner
impact it
either. Nor has there ever been a building that has been impacted by
debris
and the seismic effects of a nearby building which has been hit by
an
airliner."
What kind of BS is that....."seismic effets of a nearby building
blah
blah blah?
YOu mean you haven't considered it?
The towers were designed for constant 140 mph hurricane winds.
So?
You must be fairly young (I won't hold that against you) and don't
recall the B-52 bomber hitting the Empire State Building at the 79th
floor.
http://history1900s.about.com/od/1940s/a/empirecrash.htm
err... B25. Bit of a difference.
In the short time you took to respond with no intelligent rebuttal
or
explanations, you couldn't have read through the links I provided.
I suggest you turn off the radio (e.g. Rush Limbaugh or whoever),
and
the television (nothing but junk on it anyway), and start reading
instead of listening and watching garbage.
Lack of content noted
Please open your mind and stop listening to rhetoric.
I'm certainly not, I'm relying on facts
Independent
And what facts would those be?
Well, the expected temperature of an office-furnishing fuelled fire and
teh effect it would have on the strength of steel, for one thing.
Well?
There is no evidence that any steel recovered from the fire-involved areas
and examined by NIST reached anywhere near the temperatures necessary to
compromise the structural integrity of the buildings.
Two questions, Hatto
1) What is the likely temperature of an office fire?
2) What effect does that temperature have on teh strength of steel?
(not to metion the fact it was a B25 and not a B52 which hit the Empire
State in 1940 ;-) )
I've showed you plenty of websites with information and evidence
suggesting that the official story is just that...a story.
Plenty of assertion, very little evidence
If you read through them, which I doubt you have already, then you may
come away with some new knowledge that the official story doesn't
wash.
I have seen the same recycled kook claims for about 6 years now.
Well?
Doesn't explain in any way the collapse of the WTC. See the NIST report
for
details.
Too many credible people are not buying into the official story. If
you
look through this evidence, I think you will agree with them.
Not if you understand it...
Independent
PK said:
err... B25. Bit of a difference."
Big deal. Look at the building. The Empire State Building wasn't nearly
the technological marvel as the twin towers were.
..and a b52 is really rather a lot larger, heavier, and faster than a
B25.
Facts are important, you know.
It doesn't make a bit of difference.
Facts don't make a bit of difference? Why am I not surprised you think
that..
The Twin Towers were still oscillating with a healthy resonance after
being struck. They were not significantly
structurally compromised by the impacts.
Well, they didn't fall down immediately due to the impacts, no.
You provide nothing to add other than the official story.
And you provide nothing that contradicts it. Hell, as I said, yuo haven't
added anything to teh same old tired kook-claims that have been
circultaing for 6 years now.
The color and intensity of the glow from the molten metal flowing from WTC
2
cannot be explained by the OCT.
Yet you claim to know what metal it was and that it was evidence of
thermite..
--
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ek5w_wtc7-the-smoking-gun-of-911-updated
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://vehme.blogspot.com
Virtus Tutissima Cassis
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| User: "Hatto von Aquitanien" |
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| Title: Re: Palast Joins the Coincidentalist Whakcos |
03 Aug 2007 02:05:52 PM |
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PK wrote:
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3240519158739884416
--
Greg Palast is just a ***** with a book to sell.
He obviously hasn't seen the pictures, has an agenda, (or he's in
denial) of the angle at which the 4" steel was cut by the
incendiary cutter charges.
Wow.. a lot of unfounded assertion there..
And how convenient was that to quickly ship the evidence (all of
the steel) to Asia to be melted down. The U.S. couldn't have
melted
it down?
Presumably, whoever bought the scrap melted it down.
How about the explosions under ground level BEFORE the planes
hit.
What are you referring to here, I wonder?
The list goes on and on.
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-6708190071483512003
http://www.ae911truth.org/
The core structures contained the building services such as
elevators, and plumbing and cabling shafts. It would have been
easy
for people who controlled building security to surreptitiously
install devices in hidden portions of the cores.
So you assert. Without evidence.
Recall that Marvin Bush was Director of a company that was
responsible for WTC complex Security until 2000.
You can see charges going off way below where the collapse is
occuring.
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html#altering
Nothing in that link supports your assertion..
Remember, there has NEVER been a steel high-rise collapse due to
fire. NEVER.
There has never been a building that had a rather large airliner
impact it either. Nor has there ever been a building that has been
impacted by debris and the seismic effects of a nearby building
which has been hit by an airliner.
Independent
PK said:
"There has never been a building that had a rather large airliner
impact it
either. Nor has there ever been a building that has been impacted
by debris
and the seismic effects of a nearby building which has been hit by
an
airliner."
What kind of BS is that....."seismic effets of a nearby building
blah
blah blah?
YOu mean you haven't considered it?
The towers were designed for constant 140 mph hurricane winds.
So?
You must be fairly young (I won't hold that against you) and don't
recall the B-52 bomber hitting the Empire State Building at the
79th floor.
http://history1900s.about.com/od/1940s/a/empirecrash.htm
err... B25. Bit of a difference.
In the short time you took to respond with no intelligent rebuttal
or
explanations, you couldn't have read through the links I provided.
I suggest you turn off the radio (e.g. Rush Limbaugh or whoever),
and
the television (nothing but junk on it anyway), and start reading
instead of listening and watching garbage.
Lack of content noted
Please open your mind and stop listening to rhetoric.
I'm certainly not, I'm relying on facts
Independent
And what facts would those be?
Well, the expected temperature of an office-furnishing fuelled fire
and teh effect it would have on the strength of steel, for one thing.
Well?
There is no evidence that any steel recovered from the fire-involved
areas and examined by NIST reached anywhere near the temperatures
necessary to compromise the structural integrity of the buildings.
Two questions, Hatto
1) What is the likely temperature of an office fire?
2) What effect does that temperature have on teh strength of steel?
Read the NIST report. Bear in mind that heat transfer and maximum fire
temperature are different concepets.
(not to metion the fact it was a B25 and not a B52 which hit the
Empire State in 1940 ;-) )
I've showed you plenty of websites with information and evidence
suggesting that the official story is just that...a story.
Plenty of assertion, very little evidence
If you read through them, which I doubt you have already, then you
may come away with some new knowledge that the official story doesn't
wash.
I have seen the same recycled kook claims for about 6 years now.
Well?
Doesn't explain in any way the collapse of the WTC. See the NIST report
for
details.
Too many credible people are not buying into the official story. If
you
look through this evidence, I think you will agree with them.
Not if you understand it...
Independent
PK said:
err... B25. Bit of a difference."
Big deal. Look at the building. The Empire State Building wasn't nearly
the technological marvel as the twin towers were.
..and a b52 is really rather a lot larger, heavier, and faster than a
B25.
Facts are important, you know.
It doesn't make a bit of difference.
Facts don't make a bit of difference? Why am I not surprised you think
that..
The Twin Towers were still oscillating with a healthy resonance after
being struck. They were not significantly
structurally compromised by the impacts.
Well, they didn't fall down immediately due to the impacts, no.
Do you even understand what I said?
You provide nothing to add other than the official story.
And you provide nothing that contradicts it. Hell, as I said, yuo
haven't added anything to teh same old tired kook-claims that have been
circultaing for 6 years now.
The color and intensity of the glow from the molten metal flowing from
WTC 2
cannot be explained by the OCT.
Yet you claim to know what metal it was and that it was evidence of
thermite..
There is more than enough evidence to show it was produced by an
aluminothermic reaction. But that isn't even necessary in order to sustain
my argument. You cannot reproduce the observed phenomena in terms of the
OCT.
--
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ek5w_wtc7-the-smoking-gun-of-911-updated
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://vehme.blogspot.com
Virtus Tutissima Cassis
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| User: "PK" |
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| Title: Re: Palast Joins the Coincidentalist Whakcos |
03 Aug 2007 02:16:56 PM |
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"Hatto von Aquitanien" <abbot@AugiaDives.hre> wrote in message
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3240519158739884416
--
Greg Palast is just a ***** with a book to sell.
He obviously hasn't seen the pictures, has an agenda, (or he's
in
denial) of the angle at which the 4" steel was cut by the
incendiary cutter charges.
Wow.. a lot of unfounded assertion there..
And how convenient was that to quickly ship the evidence (all of
the steel) to Asia to be melted down. The U.S. couldn't have
melted
it down?
Presumably, whoever bought the scrap melted it down.
How about the explosions under ground level BEFORE the planes
hit.
What are you referring to here, I wonder?
The list goes on and on.
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-6708190071483512003
http://www.ae911truth.org/
The core structures contained the building services such as
elevators, and plumbing and cabling shafts. It would have been
easy
for people who controlled building security to surreptitiously
install devices in hidden portions of the cores.
So you assert. Without evidence.
Recall that Marvin Bush was Director of a company that was
responsible for WTC complex Security until 2000.
You can see charges going off way below where the collapse is
occuring.
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html#altering
Nothing in that link supports your assertion..
Remember, there has NEVER been a steel high-rise collapse due to
fire. NEVER.
There has never been a building that had a rather large airliner
impact it either. Nor has there ever been a building that has
been
impacted by debris and the seismic effects of a nearby building
which has been hit by an airliner.
Independent
PK said:
"There has never been a building that had a rather large airliner
impact it
either. Nor has there ever been a building that has been impacted
by debris
and the seismic effects of a nearby building which has been hit by
an
airliner."
What kind of BS is that....."seismic effets of a nearby building
blah
blah blah?
YOu mean you haven't considered it?
The towers were designed for constant 140 mph hurricane winds.
So?
You must be fairly young (I won't hold that against you) and don't
recall the B-52 bomber hitting the Empire State Building at the
79th floor.
http://history1900s.about.com/od/1940s/a/empirecrash.htm
err... B25. Bit of a difference.
In the short time you took to respond with no intelligent rebuttal
or
explanations, you couldn't have read through the links I provided.
I suggest you turn off the radio (e.g. Rush Limbaugh or whoever),
and
the television (nothing but junk on it anyway), and start reading
instead of listening and watching garbage.
Lack of content noted
Please open your mind and stop listening to rhetoric.
I'm certainly not, I'm relying on facts
Independent
And what facts would those be?
Well, the expected temperature of an office-furnishing fuelled fire
and teh effect it would have on the strength of steel, for one thing.
Well?
There is no evidence that any steel recovered from the fire-involved
areas and examined by NIST reached anywhere near the temperatures
necessary to compromise the structural integrity of the buildings.
Two questions, Hatto
1) What is the likely temperature of an office fire?
2) What effect does that temperature have on teh strength of steel?
Read the NIST report.
I want YOU to provide the numbers.. are you afraid?
Bear in mind that heat transfer and maximum fire temperature are
different concepets.
Show your workings..
(not to metion the fact it was a B25 and not a B52 which hit the
Empire State in 1940 ;-) )
I've showed you plenty of websites with information and evidence
suggesting that the official story is just that...a story.
Plenty of assertion, very little evidence
If you read through them, which I doubt you have already, then you
may come away with some new knowledge that the official story
doesn't
wash.
I have seen the same recycled kook claims for about 6 years now.
Well?
Doesn't explain in any way the collapse of the WTC. See the NIST report
for
details.
Too many credible people are not buying into the official story. If
you
look through this evidence, I think you will agree with them.
Not if you understand it...
Independent
PK said:
err... B25. Bit of a difference."
Big deal. Look at the building. The Empire State Building wasn't
nearly
the technological marvel as the twin towers were.
..and a b52 is really rather a lot larger, heavier, and faster than a
B25.
Facts are important, you know.
It doesn't make a bit of difference.
Facts don't make a bit of difference? Why am I not surprised you think
that..
The Twin Towers were still oscillating with a healthy resonance after
being struck. They were not significantly
structurally compromised by the impacts.
Well, they didn't fall down immediately due to the impacts, no.
Do you even understand what I said?
Yes, do you`?
You provide nothing to add other than the official story.
And you provide nothing that contradicts it. Hell, as I said, yuo
haven't added anything to teh same old tired kook-claims that have been
circultaing for 6 years now.
The color and intensity of the glow from the molten metal flowing from
WTC 2
cannot be explained by the OCT.
Yet you claim to know what metal it was and that it was evidence of
thermite..
There is more than enough evidence to show it was produced by an
aluminothermic reaction.
Cite?
But that isn't even necessary in order to sustain
my argument. You cannot reproduce the observed phenomena in terms of the
OCT.
--
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ek5w_wtc7-the-smoking-gun-of-911-updated
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://vehme.blogspot.com
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PK wrote:
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Greg Palast is just a ***** with a book to sell.
He obviously hasn't seen the pictures, has an agenda, (or he's
in
denial) of the angle at which the 4" steel was cut by the
incendiary cutter charges.
Wow.. a lot of unfounded assertion there..
And how convenient was that to quickly ship the evidence (all
of the steel) to Asia to be melted down. The U.S. couldn't have
melted
it down?
Presumably, whoever bought the scrap melted it down.
How about the explosions under ground level BEFORE the planes
hit.
What are you referring to here, I wonder?
The list goes on and on.
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-6708190071483512003
http://www.ae911truth.org/
The core structures contained the building services such as
elevators, and plumbing and cabling shafts. It would have been
easy
for people who controlled building security to surreptitiously
install devices in hidden portions of the cores.
So you assert. Without evidence.
Recall that Marvin Bush was Director of a company that was
responsible for WTC complex Security until 2000.
You can see charges going off way below where the collapse is
occuring.
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html#altering
Nothing in that link supports your assertion..
Remember, there has NEVER been a steel high-rise collapse due
to fire. NEVER.
There has never been a building that had a rather large airliner
impact it either. Nor has there ever been a building that has
been
impacted by debris and the seismic effects of a nearby building
which has been hit by an airliner.
Independent
PK said:
"There has never been a building that had a rather large airliner
impact it
either. Nor has there ever been a building that has been impacted
by debris
and the seismic effects of a nearby building which has been hit
by an
airliner."
What kind of BS is that....."seismic effets of a nearby building
blah
blah blah?
YOu mean you haven't considered it?
The towers were designed for constant 140 mph hurricane winds.
So?
You must be fairly young (I won't hold that against you) and
don't recall the B-52 bomber hitting the Empire State Building at
the 79th floor.
http://history1900s.about.com/od/1940s/a/empirecrash.htm
err... B25. Bit of a difference.
In the short time you took to respond with no intelligent
rebuttal or
explanations, you couldn't have read through the links I
provided. I suggest you turn off the radio (e.g. Rush Limbaugh or
whoever), and
the television (nothing but junk on it anyway), and start reading
instead of listening and watching garbage.
Lack of content noted
Please open your mind and stop listening to rhetoric.
I'm certainly not, I'm relying on facts
Independent
And what facts would those be?
Well, the expected temperature of an office-furnishing fuelled fire
and teh effect it would have on the strength of steel, for one
thing.
Well?
There is no evidence that any steel recovered from the fire-involved
areas and examined by NIST reached anywhere near the temperatures
necessary to compromise the structural integrity of the buildings.
Two questions, Hatto
1) What is the likely temperature of an office fire?
2) What effect does that temperature have on teh strength of steel?
Read the NIST report.
I want YOU to provide the numbers.. are you afraid?
Do your own damn homework. I'm not your shabbos goy.
Bear in mind that heat transfer and maximum fire temperature are
different concepets.
Show your workings..
See above.
(not to metion the fact it was a B25 and not a B52 which hit the
Empire State in 1940 ;-) )
I've showed you plenty of websites with information and evidence
suggesting that the official story is just that...a story.
Plenty of assertion, very little evidence
If you read through them, which I doubt you have already, then you
may come away with some new knowledge that the official story
doesn't
wash.
I have seen the same recycled kook claims for about 6 years now.
Well?
Doesn't explain in any way the collapse of the WTC. See the NIST
report for
details.
Too many credible people are not buying into the official story. If
you
look through this evidence, I think you will agree with them.
Not if you understand it...
Independent
PK said:
err... B25. Bit of a difference."
Big deal. Look at the building. The Empire State Building wasn't
nearly
the technological marvel as the twin towers were.
..and a b52 is really rather a lot larger, heavier, and faster than a
B25.
Facts are important, you know.
It doesn't make a bit of difference.
Facts don't make a bit of difference? Why am I not surprised you think
that..
The Twin Towers were still oscillating with a healthy resonance after
being struck. They were not significantly
structurally compromised by the impacts.
Well, they didn't fall down immediately due to the impacts, no.
Do you even understand what I said?
Yes, do you`?
Yes. It means there was no significant compromise of the overall structural
integrity of the buildings due to the impacts. IOW, the planes didn't
cause the buildings to collapse.
You provide nothing to add other than the official story.
And you provide nothing that contradicts it. Hell, as I said, yuo
haven't added anything to teh same old tired kook-claims that have
been circultaing for 6 years now.
The color and intensity of the glow from the molten metal flowing from
WTC 2
cannot be explained by the OCT.
Yet you claim to know what metal it was and that it was evidence of
thermite..
There is more than enough evidence to show it was produced by an
aluminothermic reaction.
Cite?
Provided repeatedly.
But that isn't even necessary in order to sustain
my argument. You cannot reproduce the observed phenomena in terms of the
OCT.
--
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ek5w_wtc7-the-smoking-gun-of-911-updated
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://vehme.blogspot.com
Virtus Tutissima Cassis
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| User: "PK" |
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| Title: Re: Palast Joins the Coincidentalist Whakcos |
03 Aug 2007 03:37:03 PM |
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3240519158739884416
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Greg Palast is just a ***** with a book to sell.
He obviously hasn't seen the pictures, has an agenda, (or he's
in
denial) of the angle at which the 4" steel was cut by the
incendiary cutter charges.
Wow.. a lot of unfounded assertion there..
And how convenient was that to quickly ship the evidence (all
of the steel) to Asia to be melted down. The U.S. couldn't
have
melted
it down?
Presumably, whoever bought the scrap melted it down.
How about the explosions under ground level BEFORE the planes
hit.
What are you referring to here, I wonder?
The list goes on and on.
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-6708190071483512003
http://www.ae911truth.org/
The core structures contained the building services such as
elevators, and plumbing and cabling shafts. It would have been
easy
for people who controlled building security to surreptitiously
install devices in hidden portions of the cores.
So you assert. Without evidence.
Recall that Marvin Bush was Director of a company that was
responsible for WTC complex Security until 2000.
You can see charges going off way below where the collapse is
occuring.
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html#altering
Nothing in that link supports your assertion..
Remember, there has NEVER been a steel high-rise collapse due
to fire. NEVER.
There has never been a building that had a rather large
airliner
impact it either. Nor has there ever been a building that has
been
impacted by debris and the seismic effects of a nearby building
which has been hit by an airliner.
Independent
PK said:
"There has never been a building that had a rather large
airliner
impact it
either. Nor has there ever been a building that has been
impacted
by debris
and the seismic effects of a nearby building which has been hit
by an
airliner."
What kind of BS is that....."seismic effets of a nearby building
blah
blah blah?
YOu mean you haven't considered it?
The towers were designed for constant 140 mph hurricane winds.
So?
You must be fairly young (I won't hold that against you) and
don't recall the B-52 bomber hitting the Empire State Building
at
the 79th floor.
http://history1900s.about.com/od/1940s/a/empirecrash.htm
err... B25. Bit of a difference.
In the short time you took to respond with no intelligent
rebuttal or
explanations, you couldn't have read through the links I
provided. I suggest you turn off the radio (e.g. Rush Limbaugh
or
whoever), and
the television (nothing but junk on it anyway), and start
reading
instead of listening and watching garbage.
Lack of content noted
Please open your mind and stop listening to rhetoric.
I'm certainly not, I'm relying on facts
Independent
And what facts would those be?
Well, the expected temperature of an office-furnishing fuelled fire
and teh effect it would have on the strength of steel, for one
thing.
Well?
There is no evidence that any steel recovered from the fire-involved
areas and examined by NIST reached anywhere near the temperatures
necessary to compromise the structural integrity of the buildings.
Two questions, Hatto
1) What is the likely temperature of an office fire?
2) What effect does that temperature have on teh strength of steel?
Read the NIST report.
I want YOU to provide the numbers.. are you afraid?
Do your own damn homework. I'm not your shabbos goy.
Oh, you mean you don't know? How can you make these assertions then?
Bear in mind that heat transfer and maximum fire temperature are
different concepets.
Show your workings..
See above.
Oh, you mean you don't know? How can you make these assertions then?
(not to metion the fact it was a B25 and not a B52 which hit the
Empire State in 1940 ;-) )
I've showed you plenty of websites with information and evidence
suggesting that the official story is just that...a story.
Plenty of assertion, very little evidence
If you read through them, which I doubt you have already, then you
may come away with some new knowledge that the official story
doesn't
wash.
I have seen the same recycled kook claims for about 6 years now.
Well?
Doesn't explain in any way the collapse of the WTC. See the NIST
report for
details.
Too many credible people are not buying into the official story.
If
you
look through this evidence, I think you will agree with them.
Not if you understand it...
Independent
PK said:
err... B25. Bit of a difference."
Big deal. Look at the building. The Empire State Building wasn't
nearly
the technological marvel as the twin towers were.
..and a b52 is really rather a lot larger, heavier, and faster than a
B25.
Facts are important, you know.
It doesn't make a bit of difference.
Facts don't make a bit of difference? Why am I not surprised you think
that..
The Twin Towers were still oscillating with a healthy resonance after
being struck. They were not significantly
structurally compromised by the impacts.
Well, they didn't fall down immediately due to the impacts, no.
Do you even understand what I said?
Yes, do you`?
Yes. It means there was no significant compromise of the overall
structural
integrity of the buildings due to the impacts. IOW, the planes didn't
cause the buildings to collapse.
Incorrect. While the initial *impact* may not have caused the collapse, the
subsequent fire finished the job on an already weakened structure.
You provide nothing to add other than the official story.
And you provide nothing that contradicts it. Hell, as I said, yuo
haven't added anything to teh same old tired kook-claims that have
been circultaing for 6 years now.
The color and intensity of the glow from the molten metal flowing from
WTC 2
cannot be explained by the OCT.
Yet you claim to know what metal it was and that it was evidence of
thermite..
There is more than enough evidence to show it was produced by an
aluminothermic reaction.
Cite?
Provided repeatedly.
Cite?
But that isn't even necessary in order to sustain
my argument. You cannot reproduce the observed phenomena in terms of
the
OCT.
--
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ek5w_wtc7-the-smoking-gun-of-911-updated
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://vehme.blogspot.com
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| User: "Hatto von Aquitanien" |
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| Title: Re: Palast Joins the Coincidentalist Whakcos |
03 Aug 2007 10:06:16 PM |
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PK wrote:
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Greg Palast is just a ***** with a book to sell.
He obviously hasn't seen the pictures, has an agenda, (or
he's in
denial) of the angle at which the 4" steel was cut by the
incendiary cutter charges.
Wow.. a lot of unfounded assertion there..
And how convenient was that to quickly ship the evidence (all
of the steel) to Asia to be melted down. The U.S. couldn't
have
melted
it down?
Presumably, whoever bought the scrap melted it down.
How about the explosions under ground level BEFORE the planes
hit.
What are you referring to here, I wonder?
The list goes on and on.
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-6708190071483512003
http://www.ae911truth.org/
The core structures contained the building services such as
elevators, and plumbing and cabling shafts. It would have
been easy
for people who controlled building security to
surreptitiously install devices in hidden portions of the
cores.
So you assert. Without evidence.
Recall that Marvin Bush was Director of a company that was
responsible for WTC complex Security until 2000.
You can see charges going off way below where the collapse is
occuring.
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html#altering
Nothing in that link supports your assertion..
Remember, there has NEVER been a steel high-rise collapse due
to fire. NEVER.
There has never been a building that had a rather large
airliner
impact it either. Nor has there ever been a building that has
been
impacted by debris and the seismic effects of a nearby
building which has been hit by an airliner.
Independent
PK said:
"There has never been a building that had a rather large
airliner
impact it
either. Nor has there ever been a building that has been
impacted
by debris
and the seismic effects of a nearby building which has been hit
by an
airliner."
What kind of BS is that....."seismic effets of a nearby
building blah
blah blah?
YOu mean you haven't considered it?
The towers were designed for constant 140 mph hurricane winds.
So?
You must be fairly young (I won't hold that against you) and
don't recall the B-52 bomber hitting the Empire State Building
at
the 79th floor.
http://history1900s.about.com/od/1940s/a/empirecrash.htm
err... B25. Bit of a difference.
In the short time you took to respond with no intelligent
rebuttal or
explanations, you couldn't have read through the links I
provided. I suggest you turn off the radio (e.g. Rush Limbaugh
or
whoever), and
the television (nothing but junk on it anyway), and start
reading
instead of listening and watching garbage.
Lack of content noted
Please open your mind and stop listening to rhetoric.
I'm certainly not, I'm relying on facts
Independent
And what facts would those be?
Well, the expected temperature of an office-furnishing fuelled
fire and teh effect it would have on the strength of steel, for
one thing.
Well?
There is no evidence that any steel recovered from the fire-involved
areas and examined by NIST reached anywhere near the temperatures
necessary to compromise the structural integrity of the buildings.
Two questions, Hatto
1) What is the likely temperature of an office fire?
2) What effect does that temperature have on teh strength of steel?
Read the NIST report.
I want YOU to provide the numbers.. are you afraid?
Do your own damn homework. I'm not your shabbos goy.
Oh, you mean you don't know? How can you make these assertions then?
No. I mean I'm not your shabbos goy.
Bear in mind that heat transfer and maximum fire temperature are
different concepets.
Show your workings..
See above.
Oh, you mean you don't know? How can you make these assertions then?
No. I mean I'm not your shabbos goy.
(not to metion the fact it was a B25 and not a B52 which hit the
Empire State in 1940 ;-) )
I've showed you plenty of websites with information and evidence
suggesting that the official story is just that...a story.
Plenty of assertion, very little evidence
If you read through them, which I doubt you have already, then
you may come away with some new knowledge that the official story
doesn't
wash.
I have seen the same recycled kook claims for about 6 years now.
Well?
Doesn't explain in any way the collapse of the WTC. See the NIST
report for
details.
Too many credible people are not buying into the official story.
If
you
look through this evidence, I think you will agree with them.
Not if you understand it...
Independent
PK said:
err... B25. Bit of a difference."
Big deal. Look at the building. The Empire State Building wasn't
nearly
the technological marvel as the twin towers were.
..and a b52 is really rather a lot larger, heavier, and faster than
a B25.
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