You really think that Moqtada would care about the Geneva convertion

it could be used AGAINST others?

These are would be world conquerers ... ANYTHING is 'allowed' in the name

religion.

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 01:16:42 +0000 (UTC), "Andrew Swallow"
<am.swallow@eatspam.btinternet.com> found these unused words floating

"nemo" <nemo@naughtylust.wet> wrote in message
news:5cbVc.216114$a8.155682@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

Have you read the Geneva Convention, or are you waiting till they make

film?

By using the Imam Ali shrine at Najaf as a fortress Sheik Moqtada Sadr

allegedly be committing a breach of Article 53b of Additional Protocol I

the Geneva Conventions. This would be committed both personally and as a
commander. If the fighting counts as a Non-International Armed Conflict
Article 16 of Additional Protocol II applies.

Link to the Geneva Conventions
http://www.redcross.org.uk/index.asp?id=1

Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and
relating to the Protection of Victims of Non-International Armed

(Protocol II), 8 June 1977.
"Art 16. Protection of cultural objects and of places of worship

Without prejudice to the provisions of the Hague Convention for the
Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of Armed Conflict of 14 May
1954, it is prohibited to commit any acts of hostility directed against
historic monuments, works of art or places of worship which constitute

cultural or spiritual heritage of peoples, and to use them in support of

military effort.
"


"Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and
relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts
(Protocol I), 8 June 1977."
"Art 53. Protection of cultural objects and of places of worship

Without prejudice to the provisions of the Hague Convention for the
Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of Armed Conflict of 14 May
1954, and of other relevant international instruments, it is prohibited:
(a) to commit any acts of hostility directed against the historic

works of art or places of worship which constitute the cultural or

heritage of peoples;
(b) to use such objects in support of the military effort;
(c) to make such objects the object of reprisals.
"

"Article 85 - Repression of breaches of this Protocol

1. The provisions of the Conventions relating to the repression of

and grave breaches, supplemented by this Section, shall apply to the
repression of breaches and grave breaches of this Protocol.

{snip}

5. Without prejudice to the application of the Conventions and of this
Protocol, grave breaches of these instruments shall be regarded as war
crimes."



"Art 86. Failure to act

1. The High Contracting Parties and the Parties to the conflict shall
repress grave breaches, and take measures necessary to suppress all other
breaches, of the Conventions or of this Protocol which result from a

to act when under a duty to do so.

2. The fact that a breach of the Conventions or of this Protocol was
committed by a subordinate does not absolve his superiors from penal or
disciplinary responsibility, as the case may be, if they knew, or had
information which should have enabled them to conclude in the

at the time, that he was committing or was going to commit such a breach

if they did not take all feasible measures within their power to prevent

repress the breach."

(Note Sadr is probably a civilian so Article 86 may not apply on the

hand as a cleric he is the religious superior of his militiamen and is
giving them battle orders in a fighting situation. One for the lawyers.)


"Art 91. Responsibility

A Party to the conflict which violates the provisions of the Conventions

of this Protocol shall, if the case demands, be liable to pay

It shall be responsible for all acts committed by persons forming part of
its armed forces.
"

Have any Grave Breaches been committed?

Andrew Swallow

Tim Bruening <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
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nemo wrote:

Tim Bruening <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
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Please forgive me if the following are stupid questions:

I. Why don't we use surgical anesthesia (delivered via sleep gas
grenades) to knock out the Al-Sadr fighters so that we can capture

them

without a struggle?

II. Why not use tranquilizer darts on those fighters like we do to
capture wild animals?

III. Why not use Mace or pepper spray on those fighters?

IV. I understand that the Al-Sadr army has ammunition inside the holy
shrine of Imam Ali. Isn't that sacrilege and blasphemy? Why haven't
Shiite religious leaders condemned the storing of ammunition in that
mosque or even ex-communicated Al-Sadr? After all, Jesus flipped out

at

the mere sight of merchants in the Jerusalem Temple (now the 3rd

holiest

mosque in Islamdom).

Have you read the Geneva Convention, or are you waiting till they make a
film?

Could we just declare the Al-Sadr uprising to be a really big riot, and
legally use anesthetic gas, Mace, pepper spray, tranquilizer darts, the

heat

rays being developed by the Pentagon (using microwaves to painfully heat a
person's skin, forcing him/her to flee), Chinese net guns (guns that shoot

a

net onto a suspect), rubber bullets, etc.?

When does a riot become a war covered by the Geneva Convention?

Don't forget UV strobes, subsonics, fleshettes, guns that fire sticky goo
and/or nets or large beanbag-like things that knock people over etc. And
once the fleshettes have torn their skin to shreds, you could always spray
em with 100% pure nicotine too. That'd do the trick.

Only trouble is: we'd be behaving just as bad as them then, if not worse. So
what happens to the idea that we're the good guys.

Tim Bruening <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message news:<412563D5.FCEBC2D7@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>...

nemo wrote:

Tim Bruening <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
news:41242ECF.66F4EA68@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...

Please forgive me if the following are stupid questions:

I. Why don't we use surgical anesthesia (delivered via sleep gas
grenades) to knock out the Al-Sadr fighters so that we can capture them
without a struggle?

II. Why not use tranquilizer darts on those fighters like we do to
capture wild animals?

III. Why not use Mace or pepper spray on those fighters?

IV. I understand that the Al-Sadr army has ammunition inside the holy
shrine of Imam Ali. Isn't that sacrilege and blasphemy? Why haven't
Shiite religious leaders condemned the storing of ammunition in that
mosque or even ex-communicated Al-Sadr? After all, Jesus flipped out at
the mere sight of merchants in the Jerusalem Temple (now the 3rd holiest
mosque in Islamdom).

Have you read the Geneva Convention, or are you waiting till they make a
film?

Could we just declare the Al-Sadr uprising to be a really big riot, and
legally use anesthetic gas, Mace, pepper spray, tranquilizer darts, the heat
rays being developed by the Pentagon (using microwaves to painfully heat a
person's skin, forcing him/her to flee), Chinese net guns (guns that shoot a
net onto a suspect), rubber bullets, etc.?

When does a riot become a war covered by the Geneva Convention?

Perhaps we have watched too many History Channel episodes to know what
is really likely to be effective. When I read that 300 Al-Sadr guys
were killed with no loss to us a week ago, I think 2 things.

First, we are likely killing support civilians or even innocent ones
too unfortunate to get safely away and counting them as trigger
pullers. Two, the real trigger pullers are being plinked by snipers,
crushed underfoot by heavy APC/Tanks as they hide in tombs or hosed by
gunships indiscriminately clearing one of the largest cementaries ever
used as a battleground.

If our Fearless Leader hadn't declared the hostilities ended over a
year ago this uprising might have been pummelled more severely back
in April.

Now that we have to be careful not to incite even more Shites, can
they hate us any more?, perhaps we should send in the Iraqi's we've
trained to take over the place anyway, if they'd go. Bring in Kurds,
Sunni's or Muslims from the Phillipines or Malaysia to do this.

We're smart enough to wipe them out but not smart enough to outplay
this new attention-getting, TET like offensive. Beat them in the
newsrooms and there won't be an uprising.

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 02:09:25 -0700, Anti-imperialist
<ai@anti-imperialist.net> found these unused words floating about:

Tim Bruening wrote:

Tim Bruening wrote:

Please forgive me if the following are stupid questions:

I. Why don't we use surgical anesthesia (delivered via sleep gas
grenades) to knock out the Al-Sadr fighters so that we can capture them
without a struggle?

II. Why not use tranquilizer darts on those fighters like we do to
capture wild animals?

III. Why not use Mace or pepper spray on those fighters?

IV. I understand that the Al-Sadr army has ammunition inside the holy
shrine of Imam Ali. Isn't that sacrilege and blasphemy? Why haven't
Shiite religious leaders condemned the storing of ammunition in that
mosque or even ex-communicated Al-Sadr? After all, Jesus flipped out at
the mere sight of merchants in the Jerusalem Temple (now the 3rd holiest
mosque in Islamdom).

Scratch my questions, since Al-Sadr has folded his tent.

LOL! He ain't doin *****, turn on TV, Iraqi government is furious
accusing him of reneging on deal.

Never was a "deal", you "believe" him the same way you "believe" Kerry - at
your own peril!

Tim Bruening wrote:

PagCal wrote:

When the Russians used Fentenyl gas, they killed about as many as they
would have had with bullets.

Then find a safer gas.

Is Fentenyl used in surgical anesthesia?

LOL! Dubious.....that ***** is toxic as hell.
--

Tim Bruening wrote:

PagCal wrote:

When the Russians used Fentenyl gas, they killed about as many as they
would have had with bullets.

Then find a safer gas.

Is Fentenyl used in surgical anesthesia?

LOL! Dubious.....that ***** is toxic as hell.