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07 Oct 2004 12:19:41 PM |
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President Bush has brought voting rights to Iraqi women |
President Bush has brought voting rights to the Iraqi women, for the first
time in history. But where is the "National Organization for Women"?
Where are their praises for President Bush for accomplishing this wonderful
feat? Where is the Democrat Party? Where is its praise for President
Bush for bringing democracy to the people of Iraq?
The Left is a giant fraud.
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07 Oct 2004 01:58:16 PM |
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"John Forged Kerry" <MrDesperate@DNC.com> wrote in
news:NUe9d.10920$gs1.5557@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
President Bush has brought voting rights to the Iraqi women, for the
first time in history. But where is the "National Organization for
Women"? Where are their praises for President Bush for accomplishing
this wonderful feat? Where is the Democrat Party? Where is its
praise for President Bush for bringing democracy to the people of
Iraq?
The Left is a giant fraud.
Funny, comical, shrill - one star.
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| User: "Chris Wright" |
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07 Oct 2004 03:03:05 PM |
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"Chief" <Chief@Home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns957B98CA76940TeePee@216.168.3.44...
"John Forged Kerry" <MrDesperate@DNC.com> wrote in
news:NUe9d.10920$gs1.5557@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
President Bush has brought voting rights to the Iraqi women, for the
first time in history. But where is the "National Organization for
Women"? Where are their praises for President Bush for accomplishing
this wonderful feat? Where is the Democrat Party? Where is its
praise for President Bush for bringing democracy to the people of
Iraq?
The Left is a giant fraud.
Funny, comical, shrill - one star.
LMAO!
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| User: "soxfan" |
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| Title: Re: President Bush has brought voting rights to Iraqi women |
07 Oct 2004 12:38:03 PM |
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"John Forged Kerry" <MrDesperate@DNC.com> wrote in message
President Bush has brought voting rights to the Iraqi women, for the first
time in history. But where is the "National Organization for Women"? Where
are their praises for President Bush for accomplishing this wonderful feat?
Where is the Democrat Party? Where is its praise for President Bush for
bringing democracy to the people of Iraq?
right. i'm sure they are thrilled to be able to vote for someone
of bush's choosing. and in case you hadn't noticed........ there is no
democracy in Iraq........ and NO elections have taken place. maybe you
should wait until january to spew this crap?
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| User: "Chris Wright" |
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07 Oct 2004 12:48:26 PM |
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"soxfan" <soxfan@kerrycountry.com> wrote in message
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"John Forged Kerry" <MrDesperate@DNC.com> wrote in message
President Bush has brought voting rights to the Iraqi women, for the first
time in history. But where is the "National Organization for Women"?
Where
are their praises for President Bush for accomplishing this wonderful
feat?
Where is the Democrat Party? Where is its praise for President Bush for
bringing democracy to the people of Iraq?
right. i'm sure they are thrilled to be able to vote for someone
of bush's choosing. and in case you hadn't noticed........ there is no
democracy in Iraq........ and NO elections have taken place. maybe you
should wait until january to spew this crap?
He who can't be bothered to use their shift key also can't be bothered to
use their brain about important issues.
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| User: "soxfan" |
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07 Oct 2004 01:10:59 PM |
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"Chris Wright" <cjwright79@shaw.ca> wrote in message
He who can't be bothered to use their shift key also can't be bothered to
use their brain about important issues.
you dont' dispute what i am saying..... you simply dispute my typing
methods? lol...... ok.
by the way...... i have a little bit of a hard time typing while
i'm awaiting surgery on my elbow...... using both hands at the same time
isn't really possible at the moment....... so shifting is the least of my
worries. if my typing offends you..... use your killfile.
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| User: "Chris Wright" |
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07 Oct 2004 03:02:08 PM |
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"soxfan" <soxfan@kerrycountry.com> wrote in message
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"Chris Wright" <cjwright79@shaw.ca> wrote in message
He who can't be bothered to use their shift key also can't be bothered to
use their brain about important issues.
you dont' dispute what i am saying..... you simply dispute my
typing
methods? lol...... ok.
by the way...... i have a little bit of a hard time typing while
i'm awaiting surgery on my elbow...... using both hands at the same time
isn't really possible at the moment....... so shifting is the least of my
worries. if my typing offends you..... use your killfile.
Please remind me what (if anything) it is that you're trying to say...
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| User: "soxfan" |
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07 Oct 2004 03:06:51 PM |
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"Chris Wright" <cjwright79@shaw.ca> wrote in message
Please remind me what (if anything) it is that you're trying to say...
in response to a post about how bush has brought the right to vote
to Iraqi women...... i said......
right. i'm sure they are thrilled to be able to vote for someone
of bush's choosing. and in case you hadn't noticed........ there is no
democracy in Iraq........ and NO elections have taken place. maybe you
should wait until january to spew this crap?
and then you said........
He who can't be bothered to use their shift key also can't be bothered to
use their brain about important issues.
it's not my brain thats malfunctioning..... its my hands! : )
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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07 Oct 2004 12:55:11 PM |
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In our last episode,
<%9f9d.3629$Ua.1763@trndny01>,
the lovely and talented soxfan
broadcast on alt.politics:
"John Forged Kerry" <MrDesperate@DNC.com> wrote in message
President Bush has brought voting rights to the Iraqi women, for the first
time in history. But where is the "National Organization for Women"? Where
are their praises for President Bush for accomplishing this wonderful feat?
Where is the Democrat Party? Where is its praise for President Bush for
bringing democracy to the people of Iraq?
right. i'm sure they are thrilled to be able to vote for someone
of bush's choosing. and in case you hadn't noticed........ there is no
democracy in Iraq........ and NO elections have taken place. maybe you
should wait until january to spew this crap?
Won't do much good to wait until January. January elections are only
for US domestic consumption. Obviously not even the pretend elections
will be possible in January.
--
Lars Eighner -finger for geek code- http://www.io.com/~eighner/
"With a heavy dose of fear and violence, and a lot of money for projects,
I think we can convince these people that we are here to help them"
-- Lt. Col. Nathan Sassaman
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| User: "LastDance" |
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07 Oct 2004 12:58:14 PM |
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"John Forged Kerry" <MrDesperate@DNC.com> wrote in message
news:NUe9d.10920$gs1.5557@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
President Bush has brought voting rights to the Iraqi women, for the first
time in history. But where is the "National Organization for Women"?
Where are their praises for President Bush for accomplishing this
wonderful feat? Where is the Democrat Party? Where is its praise for
President Bush for bringing democracy to the people of Iraq?
The Left is a giant fraud.
Republicans should be really proud.
They Have ANN Poltergeist!!
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| User: "Chris Wright" |
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07 Oct 2004 12:45:06 PM |
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"John Forged Kerry" <MrDesperate@DNC.com> wrote in message
news:NUe9d.10920$gs1.5557@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
President Bush has brought voting rights to the Iraqi women, for the first
time in history. But where is the "National Organization for Women"?
Where are their praises for President Bush for accomplishing this
wonderful feat? Where is the Democrat Party? Where is its praise for
President Bush for bringing democracy to the people of Iraq?
The Left is a giant fraud.
Voting rights for Iraqi women you say...
Well, ignoring the fact that Iraqi elections are clearly a sham...
How many Iraqi women do you think have been killed as a result of America's
occupation of Iraq?
Is the life of one Iraqi woman worth the right to vote for all women in
Iraq? Would you sacrifice one Iraqi woman for the 'right to vote' for all
other Iraqi women?
If so, I believe you are a disgusting, despicable human being, as bad as the
folks that cruxified the character you refer to as "Christ".
I'm all for equal rights, but whenever you do something, you always have to
ask: at what cost.
Assassinating Saddam (and any who took up his reins) would have been the
best solution for attaining increased freedoms for Iraqi women. But then, I
don't believe in assassination either. Hence, America's best policy would be
to to leave Iraq to itself.
We all know this is all about the oil. Some are more willing to talk about
this problem than others.
For George W. Bush, though, it was also about revenge. Revenge for Saddam
defeating his father. At the end of the day (1990), Saddam remained in power
while George senior was voted out, to be replaced by Clinton. Saddam
therefore won. George wanted to avenge that loss, and would do so at any
price. Come 9/11, he had the perfect excuse. Do a little misdirection in
Afghanistan, where Osama *used to live*, then move on to Iraq. Now, look at
what it's done to the world. I hope he's very pleased with himself, because
most the rest of the world wouldn't think twice about beating the living
***** out of him, not to mention those who voted (and will vote) for him.
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| User: "Jim Jones" |
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07 Oct 2004 06:12:36 PM |
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"John Forged Kerry" <MrDesperate@DNC.com> wrote...
President Bush has brought voting rights to the Iraqi women, for the first
time in history. But where is the "National Organization for Women"?
Where are their praises for President Bush for accomplishing this wonderful
feat? Where is the Democrat Party? Where is its praise for President
Bush for bringing democracy to the people of Iraq?
The Left is a giant fraud.
I'm not on the left, but I am rabidly anti-right. What is this "democracy"
you speak of in Iraq? All I see is an unelected puppet regime, powerless
to maintain even the remotest semblence of law and order in the country,
not even the capital city. Since the George W. Bush came to power through
massive election fraud in the U.S., why are we supposed to believe that
the U.S.-sponsored Iraqi election in Jan. 2005 will be any less fraudulent?
I've lived on the Mexican border much of my life and have witnessed terrible
election fraud in that country over the years. I also recognize many of
Bush's tactics as coming straight out of that country. One major feature
of the Mexican political system was "El Dedazo," or "the finger" where the
outgoing Mexican president (who came to power through fraud himself)
"fingered" who would be the next Mexican president (who then committed
fraud to bring himself to power). To compare the Iraqi situation to this,
no one except the stupidest rightard believes that the current Iraqi
interim prime minister wasn't personally selected by the U.S. and does
not operate as our puppet. Likewise, it is fairly certain that we will
"finger" his successor in January (I don't think we'll allow him to
finger his own successor). All of the campaigning, voting, and ballot
counting will just be an expensive show, as it was in Mexico for 75 years
and the U.S. in 2000. I really can't say who the new PM will be, but
I can safely say the U.S. has already fingered him (we've probably already
decided his electoral margin-of-victory too).
Back to the subject of this thread: you claim that the U.S. has brought
"voting rights" to Iraqi women, but being permitted to cast a ballot
in a rigged election is not "democracy" in any sense of the word. I
really hate dictatorships, but the dictatorships I hate the most are
those that try to masquerade as democracies (e.g. Mexico). At least
Saddam made no illusion as to what he was.
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| User: "Marcello Penso" |
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07 Oct 2004 08:39:10 PM |
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In article <NUe9d.10920$gs1.5557@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
MrDesperate@DNC.com says...
President Bush has brought voting rights to the Iraqi women, for the first
time in history.
Yes, and at the cost of $150 billion dollars in US tax dollars; 1,100
coalition casualties; 3,000+ coalition wounded; 13,000+ Iraqi civilian
deaths; 50,000 Iraqi civilian wounded, and of course the estimated
80,000 Iraqi army deaths. Such a bargain for everyone, I must admit!
Marcello
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| User: "Bob" |
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07 Oct 2004 08:41:25 PM |
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"Marcello Penso" <m.penso@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1bcfb9c774693267989698@netnews.worldnet.att.net...
In article <NUe9d.10920$gs1.5557@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
MrDesperate@DNC.com says...
President Bush has brought voting rights to the Iraqi women, for the first
time in history.
Yes, and at the cost of $150 billion dollars in US tax dollars; 1,100
coalition casualties; 3,000+ coalition wounded; 13,000+ Iraqi civilian
deaths; 50,000 Iraqi civilian wounded, and of course the estimated
80,000 Iraqi army deaths. Such a bargain for everyone, I must admit!
What price would you put on freedom
for women?
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| User: "Jim Jones" |
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07 Oct 2004 09:37:52 PM |
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"Bob" <no@email.address> wrote...
"Marcello Penso" <m.penso@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1bcfb9c774693267989698@netnews.worldnet.att.net...
In article <NUe9d.10920$gs1.5557@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
MrDesperate@DNC.com says...
President Bush has brought voting rights to the Iraqi women, for the first
time in history.
Yes, and at the cost of $150 billion dollars in US tax dollars; 1,100
coalition casualties; 3,000+ coalition wounded; 13,000+ Iraqi civilian
deaths; 50,000 Iraqi civilian wounded, and of course the estimated
80,000 Iraqi army deaths. Such a bargain for everyone, I must admit!
What price would you put on freedom
for women?
And exactly what "freedom" do Iraqis - women or men - have right now? Last
time I looked the entire country was in total chaos, with martial law in
effect everywhere. Not necessarily defending Saddam, but under his rule
the country was stable and under the rule of law (even if the law was
tyrannical). Now there is anarchy. Furthermore, while Saddam's regime
was brutal, it did give women fairly equal status to men. Now the country
seems destined to become an Islamic theocracy, and it is certain that under
the new Islamist regime women will be reduced to the same non-status as
Afghani women under the Taliban. The new U.S. puppet regime may grant
women equality in theory, including the right to vote, but in reality they
will be subservient and their vote as meaningless as the men's vote in
rigged elections.
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| User: "Marcello Penso" |
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07 Oct 2004 09:58:44 PM |
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In article <Bdm9d.49407$DV3.8506@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
no@email.address says...
"Marcello Penso" <m.penso@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1bcfb9c774693267989698@netnews.worldnet.att.net...
In article <NUe9d.10920$gs1.5557@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
MrDesperate@DNC.com says...
President Bush has brought voting rights to the Iraqi women, for the first
time in history.
Yes, and at the cost of $150 billion dollars in US tax dollars; 1,100
coalition casualties; 3,000+ coalition wounded; 13,000+ Iraqi civilian
deaths; 50,000 Iraqi civilian wounded, and of course the estimated
80,000 Iraqi army deaths. Such a bargain for everyone, I must admit!
What price would you put on freedom
for women?
Not one human life if I could avoid it.
If you have the stomach for it, why not see the effects directly on
Iraqi children:
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
Marcello
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07 Oct 2004 12:29:09 PM |
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In our last episode,
<NUe9d.10920$gs1.5557@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
the lovely and talented John Forged Kerry
broadcast on alt.politics:
President Bush has brought voting rights to the Iraqi women,
allowing them to vote for Bush's hand-picked puppet. Wow!
Such a boon!
--
Lars Eighner -finger for geek code- http://www.io.com/~eighner/
"With a heavy dose of fear and violence, and a lot of money for projects,
I think we can convince these people that we are here to help them"
-- Lt. Col. Nathan Sassaman
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| User: "John Forged Kerry" |
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07 Oct 2004 12:30:00 PM |
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"Lars Eighner" <eighner@io.com> wrote in message
news:slrncmauvm.r3j.eighner@goodwill.io.com...
In our last episode,
<NUe9d.10920$gs1.5557@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
the lovely and talented John Forged Kerry
broadcast on alt.politics:
President Bush has brought voting rights to the Iraqi women,
allowing them to vote for Bush's hand-picked puppet.
He's not hand-picked, and he's not a puppet. But you Democrats are real
losers.
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| User: "Chris Wright" |
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07 Oct 2004 12:45:35 PM |
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"John Forged Kerry" <MrDesperate@DNC.com> wrote in message
news:s2f9d.10929$gs1.5679@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
"Lars Eighner" <eighner@io.com> wrote in message
news:slrncmauvm.r3j.eighner@goodwill.io.com...
In our last episode,
<NUe9d.10920$gs1.5557@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
the lovely and talented John Forged Kerry
broadcast on alt.politics:
President Bush has brought voting rights to the Iraqi women,
allowing them to vote for Bush's hand-picked puppet.
He's not hand-picked, and he's not a puppet.
He's both, and you know it.
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07 Oct 2004 12:53:30 PM |
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In our last episode,
<s2f9d.10929$gs1.5679@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
the lovely and talented John Forged Kerry
broadcast on alt.politics:
"Lars Eighner" < > wrote in message
news:slrncmauvm.r3j.eighner@goodwill.io.com...
In our last episode,
<NUe9d.10920$gs1.5557@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
the lovely and talented John Forged Kerry
broadcast on alt.politics:
President Bush has brought voting rights to the Iraqi women,
allowing them to vote for Bush's hand-picked puppet.
He's not hand-picked, and he's not a puppet.
The Bush regime wrote his speech to Congress. All he is good for
is lip-synching "Bush über Alles." But thanks for admitting that
there will only be one candidate - like in Afghanistan, where only
one candidate is allowed to travel, only one candidate gets US
military transportation, and only one candidate gets US military
protection.
--
Lars Eighner -finger for geek code- http://www.io.com/~eighner/
"With a heavy dose of fear and violence, and a lot of money for projects,
I think we can convince these people that we are here to help them"
-- Lt. Col. Nathan Sassaman
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07 Oct 2004 12:49:17 PM |
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John Forged Kerry wrote:
President Bush has brought voting rights to the Iraqi women, for the first
time in history. But where is the "National Organization for Women"?
Where are their praises for President Bush for accomplishing this wonderful
feat? Where is the Democrat Party? Where is its praise for President
Bush for bringing democracy to the people of Iraq?
The Left is a giant fraud.
I thought women could and have voted in Iraq since 1980.
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| User: "Chris Wright" |
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07 Oct 2004 12:55:29 PM |
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"The Abrasive Sponge" <theabrasioncontinues@yourhouse.com> wrote in message
news:KbmdnW4uEPIAHPjcRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
John Forged Kerry wrote:
President Bush has brought voting rights to the Iraqi women, for the
first time in history. But where is the "National Organization for
Women"? Where are their praises for President Bush for accomplishing this
wonderful feat? Where is the Democrat Party? Where is its praise for
President Bush for bringing democracy to the people of Iraq?
The Left is a giant fraud.
I thought women could and have voted in Iraq since 1980.
Oh dear me! What a suprise! One of Bush's cheerleaders has been exposed as
an utter fool! Horror of horrors, whatever shall we do?!
(answer: vote Kerry)
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07 Oct 2004 03:12:39 PM |
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The Abrasive Sponge wrote:
John Forged Kerry wrote:
President Bush has brought voting rights to the Iraqi women, for the
first time in history. But where is the "National Organization for
Women"? Where are their praises for President Bush for accomplishing
this wonderful feat? Where is the Democrat Party? Where is its
praise for President Bush for bringing democracy to the people of Iraq?
The Left is a giant fraud.
I thought women could and have voted in Iraq since 1980.
Yeah, 1980.
http://www.ipu.org/wmn-e/suffrage.htm
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08 Oct 2004 08:25:54 PM |
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On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 17:19:41 GMT, "John Forged Kerry"
<MrDesperate@DNC.com> wrote:
Bush for bringing democracy to the people of Iraq?
Democracy is a cruel joke when the Jews control the media.
"Jewry rules from behind the mask of democracy. What one calls
democracy today is concealed Jewish domination. Jews determine what
happens in the democratic states"
Julius Streicher, Der Stürmer, #34/1939.
"A couple of weeks ago I quoted a few sentences from a book published
in
1928 titled Propaganda, by ... Edward Bernays. Today I'll read to
you an expanded set of excerpts from Bernays' book to give you a
little
more of the gist of his message. I quote:
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits
and
opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society.
Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an
invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.
"We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes are formed, our
ideas
suggested largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical
result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast
numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to
live together as a smoothly functioning society. . . .
"Whatever attitude one chooses to take toward this condition, it
remains
a fact that in almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the
sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical
thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons .
..
.. who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the
masses.
It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind, who
harness
old social forces and contrive new ways to bind and guide the world. .
..
"No serious sociologist believes any longer that the voice of the
people
expresses any divine or especially wise and lofty idea. The voice of
the
people expresses the mind of the people, and that mind is made up for
it
by the group leaders in whom it believes and by those persons who
understand the manipulation of public opinion. . . .
"Whether in the problem of getting elected to office or in the problem
of interpreting and popularizing new issues, or in the problem of
making
the day-to-day administration of public affairs a vital part of the
community life, the use of propaganda, carefully adjusted to the
mentality of the masses, is an essential adjunct of political life."
--
end of quote --
I should mention that Bernays' book is not profound or especially
valuable in itself. It merely states a few self-evident facts about
the
way in which a modern society works. For the person interested in
propaganda, far more useful books are available. The fact that Bernays
was a Jew is not even especially relevant here except to emphasize
that
propaganda, the mass media, psychology, and the manipulation of others
always have been subjects of special interest to the Jews. It is not
for
nothing that they are as thick in these fields today as they were in
the
time of Bernays and Freud. The reason I chose Bernays' book to quote
is
that it provides a more concise and clear summary, in a few quotable
paragraphs, of the role of propaganda in modern life than most other
books on the subject.
If I were you I wouldn't even waste time trying to hunt down a copy of
Bernays' book. Although it is available in larger libraries, it's long
been out of print, and all it does is state the obvious: namely, that
the whole concept of democracy is meaningless in an age where a few
people have in their hands the mechanism for controlling the attitudes
and opinions of a majority of the electorate. And Bernays also takes
the
disingenuous position that not only is this control a fact of life,
but
it is a good thing; it is necessary to control and regiment the
thinking
of the public in order to avoid chaos, and it can only lead us to
greater progress and prosperity. He simply glosses over the question
of
who should exercise this control and what their motives should be.
If you really want to study the subject of propaganda, a good place to
start is with the 1962 book, also titled Propaganda, by the Frenchman
Jacques Ellul. That book is still in print and is available from the
sponsor of this program, National Vanguard Books. Professor Ellul
deals
with the subject in much greater depth and with much greater honesty
than Bernays does, but he agrees with Bernays on the most obvious and
fundamental conclusions: on the irrelevance of the idea of democracy,
for example. I quote from Professor Ellul's book:
"If I am in favor of democracy, I can only regret that propaganda
renders the true exercise of it almost impossible. But I think that it
would be even worse to entertain any illusions about a coexistence of
true democracy and propaganda." -- end of quote --
To me it is frustrating that a conclusion that seems so obvious is
nevertheless resisted by so many otherwise intelligent people.
Democracy
has become almost a sacred concept to them, this idea that the
policies
guiding our nation should be decided by counting the votes of every
featherless biped who has reached the age of 18. It's like motherhood:
they're almost afraid to question it.
This seems to be as true of intellectuals in our society as it is of
Joe
Sixpacks. The fact is that intellectuals are no more likely to be
independent-minded than people who work with their hands; most
intellectuals, just like most Joe Sixpacks, are lemmings. In fact, as
Ellul points out, it is precisely the intellectuals who are most
strongly controlled by propaganda, because they are more open to every
medium of propaganda.
And I must admit that it took me a long time to overcome the ideas
drummed into me when I was in school that under a democracy people are
more free than under any other political system, that under a
democracy
we are all free to think and say whatever we want, and that we have a
greater responsibility as citizens of a democracy to make up our own
minds about things independently, and so on. Actually, we still have
some degree of individual freedom in the United States today because
more than 200 years ago men whose temperament was far more
aristocratic
than democratic in the modern sense of the word were willing to go to
war against their legitimate government in order to secure that
freedom
for us, and people with a truly democratic temperament, who have been
gnawing away at that freedom ever since, haven't yet succeeded in
suppressing it completely.
Well, it should not be surprising to us that although books such as
Professor Ellul's Propaganda - and many others - are readily
available, almost no one has heard of them. Keeping the public
believing
in the myth of democracy is an important element in maintaining
control
over the thinking and behavior of the public. It is simply immoral and
scandalous to question the reality of democracy. It's like questioning
the truth of the "Holocaust" story. And for that reason we're not
likely
to be taught in our social studies classes in school or to read in the
New York Times or the Wall Street Journal even the most obvious and
self-evident conclusions presented by Bernays or Ellul. We're still
taught how democracy safeguards our freedom, even while those who
control the mechanism of propaganda in our democratic society are
working day and night to eliminate that freedom."
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07 Oct 2004 12:51:01 PM |
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Previously in alt.politics...
"John Forged Kerry" <MrDesperate@DNC.com> commented:
President Bush has brought voting rights to the Iraqi women, for the first
time in history. But where is the "National Organization for Women"?
Where are their praises for President Bush for accomplishing this wonderful
feat? Where is the Democrat Party? Where is its praise for President
Bush for bringing democracy to the people of Iraq?
Let's see how it goes in Afghanistan this Saturday. BTW, did you know
that 89% of the Afghan women will have to get their husband's
permission to vote? Some democracy!
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07 Oct 2004 03:47:47 PM |
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Quoth "John Forged Kerry" <MrDesperate@DNC.com> in news:NUe9d.10920
$gs1.5557@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
President Bush has brought voting rights to the Iraqi women, for
the first time in history.
Liar.
Iraqi women have had the vote since 1980.
<http://www.ipu.org/wmn-e/suffrage.htm>
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George Bush's War of Choice on Iraq is a totally unnecessary war.
Every life lost, every limb lost, every disfigurement, every
disability caused there is more blood on George W. Bush's hands,
and on the hands of everyone who votes for George W. Bush.
For the facts on Iraq, see <http://optruth.org>.
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07 Oct 2004 07:36:07 PM |
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There have been 1,186 coalition deaths, 1,051 Americans, 66 Britons, six
Bulgarians, one Dane, two Dutch, one Estonian, one Hungarian, 19 Italians,
one Latvian, 13 Poles, one Salvadoran, three Slovaks, 11 Spaniards, two Thai
and eight Ukrainians, in the war in Iraq as of September 27, 2004.
(Graphical breakdown of casualties). The list below is the names of the
soldiers, Marines, airmen, sailors and Coast Guardsmen whose families have
been notified of their deaths by each country's government. At least 7,413
U.S. troops have been wounded in action, according to the Pentagon. The
Pentagon does not report the number of non-hostile wounded. This list is
updated regularly. [Updated 9/27/04.
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties]
"John Forged Kerry" <MrDesperate@DNC.com> wrote in message
news:NUe9d.10920$gs1.5557@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
President Bush has brought voting rights to the Iraqi women, for the first
time in history. But where is the "National Organization for Women"?
Where are their praises for President Bush for accomplishing this
wonderful feat? Where is the Democrat Party? Where is its praise for
President Bush for bringing democracy to the people of Iraq?
The Left is a giant fraud.
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