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Topic: Politics > Politics-USA
User: "Defendario"
Date: 13 Jun 2006 10:09:43 PM
Object: Ramadi: Fallujah Redux
By Dahr Jamail
t r u t h o u t | Perspective
Monday 12 June 2006
Fearful residents are now pouring out of Ramadi after the US military
has been assaulting the city for months with tactics like cutting water,
electricity and medical aid, imposing curfews, and attacking by means of
snipers and random air strikes. This time, Iraqis there are right to
fear the worst - an all out attack on the city, similar to what was done
to nearby Fallujah.
It has always been just a matter of time before the US military would
finally get around to destroying Ramadi, the capital city of al-Anbar
province. After all, Ramadi is not far from Fallujah, and so similar to
Fallujah both tribally and in their disdain towards the idea of being
occupied, that many people in Ramadi even refer to Fallujah as "Ramadi."
I know many people from Ramadi who lost relatives and friends during
both US assaults on Fallujah, and the level of anti-American sentiment
has always been high there.
By now, we all know the scene when the US military in Iraq decides to
attack an entire city ... we've seen this standard operating procedure
repeated, to one degree or another, in Haditha, Al-Qa'im, Samarra, parts
of Baghdad, Balad, Najaf and Fallujah twice ... so far. The city is
sealed for weeks if not months, water and electricity are cut, medical
aid is cut, curfews imposed, mobility impaired, air strikes utilized,
then the real attack begins. Now in Ramadi, the real attack has begun.
Warplanes are streaking the sky as bombings increase, loudspeakers aimed
into the city warn civilians of a "fierce impending attack," (even
though it has already begun), and thousands of families remain trapped
in their homes, just like in Fallujah during both attacks on that city.
Again, many who remain in the city cannot afford to leave because they
are so poor, or they lack transportation, or they want to guard their
home because it is all they have left.
Sheikh Fassal Guood, a former governor of al-Anbar said of the
situation, "The situation is catastrophic. No services, no electricity,
no water." He also said, "We know for sure now that Americans and Iraqi
commanders have decided to launch a broad offensive any time now, but
they should have consulted with us."
Today, a man who lives in Fallujah and who recently visited Ramadi told
me, "Any new government starts with a massacre. That seems like the
price that we Iraqis must pay, especially in the Sunni areas. Ramadi has
been deprived of water, electricity, telephones and all services for
about two months now. US and government forces frankly told people of
Ramadi that they will not get any services unless they hand over 'the
terrorists!!' Operations started last week, but it seems that the
Marines are facing some problems in a city that is a lot bigger in area
than Fallujah. (Ramadi also has at least 50,000 more residents than
Fallujah.) Killing civilians is almost a daily process done by snipers
and soldiers in US armored vehicles. The problem that makes it even more
difficult for the Ramadi people than for those of Fallujah back in 2004
is that they cannot flee to Baghdad, because there they'll face the
government militia assassinations. Nevertheless, the US Army is telling
them to evacuate the city. On the other hand, the government and the US
Army made it clear that they will bring militias to participate in the
wide attack against the city. The UN and the whole world are silent as
usual, and nobody seems to care what is going to happen in Ramadi."
Thus, the stage was set and now Iraqis brace themselves for yet another
staggeringly high civilian body count in Ramadi. This, amidst recent
news from the Department of Defense that over $19 million has been paid
out in compensation by the US military in Iraq to families who have had
loved ones killed by US troops. The average payout is $2,500 per body,
and nearly half of the $19 million was paid out in the province of
al-Anbar. Reflective of the drastically increased levels of violence in
Iraq, the total amount of compensation payouts for 2005 is nearly four
times what it was the previous year.
The fact that the 1,500 US troops who were recently brought into Iraq,
specifically to Ramadi, went unreported by most, if not all, corporate
media outlets didn't come as a surprise to the residents of Ramadi,
however, as street battles between troops and resistance fighters have
been raging for months now.
The media blackout on Ramadi is already rivaling the blackout on the
draconian measures employed by the military during the November 2004
siege of Fallujah, if not surpassing it. Thus far, the military have
remained reluctant to allow even embedded reporters to travel with them
in Ramadi. With each passing US assault on an Iraqi city, the media
blackout grows darker - and with Ramadi, it is the darkest yet.
Most of what we have, aside from sporadic reports from sources inside
the besieged city, is propaganda from the US military spokesman in
Baghdad, Major Todd Breasseale, who only spoke of moving the newly
arrived 1,500 troops in from Kuwait into positions around Ramadi.
"Moving this force will allow tribal leaders and government officials to
go about the very difficult task of taking back their towns from the
criminal elements."
Similar to Fallujah, thousands of frightened residents of Ramadi are
fleeing the city, then being turned away from entering Baghdad. With no
tents, food, or aid of any kind being provided to them by the military,
which is a war crime, they are left with nothing but what they carry and
no place to go. These refugees are now adding to the horrific statistic
of over 100,000 displaced families within Iraq, the majority of whom are
so as the result of massive US military operations which have a tendency
to make entire cities unlivable.
Reports from sources within Ramadi for weeks now have been that US
soldiers have been inhabiting people's homes in order to use their
rooftops as sniper platforms, innocent people are being shot daily, and
people are confused - do they risk leaving and having nowhere to go, or
risk staying in their homes and possibly being killed?
Hassan Zaidan Lahaibi, a member of the Council of Representatives in the
Iraqi parliament, told reporters recently, "If things continue, we will
have a humanitarian crisis. People are getting killed or wounded, and
the rest are just migrating aimlessly."
He could just as easily be describing much of the rest of Iraq, where
the majority of people struggle to survive under the weight of an
increasingly brutal occupation, US-backed death squads, sectarian
militias, staggering unemployment and a devastated infrastructure.
More writing, commentary, photography, pictures and images at http://dahrjamailiraq.com
.

User: "John Teague"

Title: Re: Ramadi: Fallujah Redux 14 Jun 2006 03:12:02 AM
On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:09:43 -0400, Defendario wrote:

By Dahr Jamail
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Monday 12 June 2006

Fearful residents are now pouring out of Ramadi after the US military
has been assaulting the city for months with tactics like cutting water,
electricity and medical aid, imposing curfews, and attacking by means of
snipers and random air strikes. This time, Iraqis there are right to
fear the worst - an all out attack on the city, similar to what was done
to nearby Fallujah.

Uh oh.

It has always been just a matter of time before the US military would
finally get around to destroying Ramadi, the capital city of al-Anbar
province. After all, Ramadi is not far from Fallujah, and so similar to
Fallujah both tribally and in their disdain towards the idea of being
occupied, that many people in Ramadi even refer to Fallujah as "Ramadi."
I know many people from Ramadi who lost relatives and friends during
both US assaults on Fallujah, and the level of anti-American sentiment
has always been high there.

Oh dear. Advice: Don't harbor terrorists in your city.

By now, we all know the scene when the US military in Iraq decides to
attack an entire city ... we've seen this standard operating procedure
repeated, to one degree or another, in Haditha, Al-Qa'im, Samarra, parts
of Baghdad, Balad, Najaf and Fallujah twice ... so far. The city is
sealed for weeks if not months, water and electricity are cut, medical
aid is cut, curfews imposed, mobility impaired, air strikes utilized,
then the real attack begins. Now in Ramadi, the real attack has begun.

Bummer. Advice: Don't harbor terrorists in your city.

Warplanes are streaking the sky as bombings increase, loudspeakers aimed
into the city warn civilians of a "fierce impending attack," (even
though it has already begun), and thousands of families remain trapped
in their homes, just like in Fallujah during both attacks on that city.
Again, many who remain in the city cannot afford to leave because they
are so poor, or they lack transportation, or they want to guard their
home because it is all they have left.

Although we are nice enough to actually warn residents. Advice: If you
don't want to hear those loudspeakers, do not harbor terrorists in your
city.

Sheikh Fassal Guood, a former governor of al-Anbar said of the
situation, "The situation is catastrophic. No services, no electricity,
no water." He also said, "We know for sure now that Americans and Iraqi
commanders have decided to launch a broad offensive any time now, but
they should have consulted with us."

Advice to the Sheikh: Do not harbor terrorists in your city.

Today, a man who lives in Fallujah and who recently visited Ramadi told
me, "Any new government starts with a massacre. That seems like the
price that we Iraqis must pay, especially in the Sunni areas. Ramadi has
been deprived of water, electricity, telephones and all services for
about two months now. US and government forces frankly told people of
Ramadi that they will not get any services unless they hand over 'the
terrorists!!' Operations started last week, but it seems that the
Marines are facing some problems in a city that is a lot bigger in area
than Fallujah. (Ramadi also has at least 50,000 more residents than
Fallujah.) Killing civilians is almost a daily process done by snipers
and soldiers in US armored vehicles. The problem that makes it even more
difficult for the Ramadi people than for those of Fallujah back in 2004
is that they cannot flee to Baghdad, because there they'll face the
government militia assassinations. Nevertheless, the US Army is telling
them to evacuate the city. On the other hand, the government and the US
Army made it clear that they will bring militias to participate in the
wide attack against the city. The UN and the whole world are silent as
usual, and nobody seems to care what is going to happen in Ramadi."

What a load of *****. Advice: Don't lie and harbor terrorists in your
city.

Thus, the stage was set and now Iraqis brace themselves for yet another
staggeringly high civilian body count in Ramadi. This, amidst recent
news from the Department of Defense that over $19 million has been paid
out in compensation by the US military in Iraq to families who have had
loved ones killed by US troops. The average payout is $2,500 per body,
and nearly half of the $19 million was paid out in the province of
al-Anbar. Reflective of the drastically increased levels of violence in
Iraq, the total amount of compensation payouts for 2005 is nearly four
times what it was the previous year.

Hmm. . . and how much have insurgents paid the good people of al-Anbar?
How much in compensation has Al-Queda paid the good fine people of Anbar
or anywhere else for that matter?
Advice: Don't harbor terrorists in your city.

The fact that the 1,500 US troops who were recently brought into Iraq,
specifically to Ramadi, went unreported by most, if not all, corporate
media outlets didn't come as a surprise to the residents of Ramadi,
however, as street battles between troops and resistance fighters have
been raging for months now.

At least they admit that 'resistance fighters' are in fact in Ramadi. I
wonder why US and Iraqi forces are there?
Advice: Don't admit that you harbor terrorists in your city and then *****
about coalition troops coming in to deal with them. Better yet, don't
harbor terrorists in your city.

The media blackout on Ramadi is already rivaling the blackout on the
draconian measures employed by the military during the November 2004
siege of Fallujah, if not surpassing it. Thus far, the military have
remained reluctant to allow even embedded reporters to travel with them
in Ramadi. With each passing US assault on an Iraqi city, the media
blackout grows darker - and with Ramadi, it is the darkest yet.

Advice: Turn over the terrorists who spend more time murdering Iraqis than
US troops, and Ramadi will see a brighter day.

Most of what we have, aside from sporadic reports from sources inside
the besieged city, is propaganda from the US military spokesman in
Baghdad, Major Todd Breasseale, who only spoke of moving the newly
arrived 1,500 troops in from Kuwait into positions around Ramadi.
"Moving this force will allow tribal leaders and government officials to
go about the very difficult task of taking back their towns from the
criminal elements."

Yes, that's about the size of it. Ridding the city of criminal elements
that is.

Similar to Fallujah, thousands of frightened residents of Ramadi are
fleeing the city, then being turned away from entering Baghdad. With no
tents, food, or aid of any kind being provided to them by the military,
which is a war crime, they are left with nothing but what they carry and
no place to go. These refugees are now adding to the horrific statistic
of over 100,000 displaced families within Iraq, the majority of whom are
so as the result of massive US military operations which have a tendency
to make entire cities unlivable.

Advice: Do not harbor terrorists in your city and you won't have to worry
about becoming a refugee in the first place.

Reports from sources within Ramadi for weeks now have been that US
soldiers have been inhabiting people's homes in order to use their
rooftops as sniper platforms, innocent people are being shot daily, and
people are confused - do they risk leaving and having nowhere to go, or
risk staying in their homes and possibly being killed?

Speaking of propaganda.

Hassan Zaidan Lahaibi, a member of the Council of Representatives in the
Iraqi parliament, told reporters recently, "If things continue, we will
have a humanitarian crisis. People are getting killed or wounded, and
the rest are just migrating aimlessly."

This would be the same Sunni who originally boycotted the election process
because Sunnis were being forced to accept Shia representation
proportional to their population, but who whined incessantly and demanded
new elections when it became clear he was about to get left out of the
political process. Lahaibi is hardly a source that should be trusted. If
Hassan Zaidan Lahaibi wants the citizens of Ramadi to live in peace he
should be the first one to help clear out the garbage.

He could just as easily be describing much of the rest of Iraq, where
the majority of people struggle to survive under the weight of an
increasingly brutal occupation, US-backed death squads, sectarian
militias, staggering unemployment and a devastated infrastructure.

Naw, not a bit of propaganda in that one. Advice: If you support the
insurgents in Ramadi, by all means arm yourself and stand and fight, and
prepare to get buried. Defendario, please go and help your poor resistance
fighters. US forces won't have to put you down though, the insurgents will
do that about five seconds after you are spotted there Nick Berg style.
If these insurgent animals or the local leadership cared a wit about the
good folk of Ramadi they could have stopped what is coming a hundred times
over. They shouldn't whine about it now.
.
User: "La N"

Title: Re: Ramadi: Fallujah Redux 14 Jun 2006 04:54:04 AM
"John Teague" <johnteag@NOTROLLSgmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.06.14.08.11.59.454553@NOTROLLSgmail.com...

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:09:43 -0400, Defendario wrote:

By Dahr Jamail
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Monday 12 June 2006

Fearful residents are now pouring out of Ramadi after the US military
has been assaulting the city for months with tactics like cutting water,
electricity and medical aid, imposing curfews, and attacking by means of
snipers and random air strikes. This time, Iraqis there are right to
fear the worst - an all out attack on the city, similar to what was done
to nearby Fallujah.


Uh oh.

It has always been just a matter of time before the US military would
finally get around to destroying Ramadi, the capital city of al-Anbar
province. After all, Ramadi is not far from Fallujah, and so similar to
Fallujah both tribally and in their disdain towards the idea of being
occupied, that many people in Ramadi even refer to Fallujah as "Ramadi."
I know many people from Ramadi who lost relatives and friends during
both US assaults on Fallujah, and the level of anti-American sentiment
has always been high there.


Oh dear. Advice: Don't harbor terrorists in your city.

By now, we all know the scene when the US military in Iraq decides to
attack an entire city ... we've seen this standard operating procedure
repeated, to one degree or another, in Haditha, Al-Qa'im, Samarra, parts
of Baghdad, Balad, Najaf and Fallujah twice ... so far. The city is
sealed for weeks if not months, water and electricity are cut, medical
aid is cut, curfews imposed, mobility impaired, air strikes utilized,
then the real attack begins. Now in Ramadi, the real attack has begun.


Bummer. Advice: Don't harbor terrorists in your city.

Warplanes are streaking the sky as bombings increase, loudspeakers aimed
into the city warn civilians of a "fierce impending attack," (even
though it has already begun), and thousands of families remain trapped
in their homes, just like in Fallujah during both attacks on that city.
Again, many who remain in the city cannot afford to leave because they
are so poor, or they lack transportation, or they want to guard their
home because it is all they have left.


Although we are nice enough to actually warn residents. Advice: If you
don't want to hear those loudspeakers, do not harbor terrorists in your
city.

Sheikh Fassal Guood, a former governor of al-Anbar said of the
situation, "The situation is catastrophic. No services, no electricity,
no water." He also said, "We know for sure now that Americans and Iraqi
commanders have decided to launch a broad offensive any time now, but
they should have consulted with us."


Advice to the Sheikh: Do not harbor terrorists in your city.

Today, a man who lives in Fallujah and who recently visited Ramadi told
me, "Any new government starts with a massacre. That seems like the
price that we Iraqis must pay, especially in the Sunni areas. Ramadi has
been deprived of water, electricity, telephones and all services for
about two months now. US and government forces frankly told people of
Ramadi that they will not get any services unless they hand over 'the
terrorists!!' Operations started last week, but it seems that the
Marines are facing some problems in a city that is a lot bigger in area
than Fallujah. (Ramadi also has at least 50,000 more residents than
Fallujah.) Killing civilians is almost a daily process done by snipers
and soldiers in US armored vehicles. The problem that makes it even more
difficult for the Ramadi people than for those of Fallujah back in 2004
is that they cannot flee to Baghdad, because there they'll face the
government militia assassinations. Nevertheless, the US Army is telling
them to evacuate the city. On the other hand, the government and the US
Army made it clear that they will bring militias to participate in the
wide attack against the city. The UN and the whole world are silent as
usual, and nobody seems to care what is going to happen in Ramadi."


What a load of *****. Advice: Don't lie and harbor terrorists in your
city.

Thus, the stage was set and now Iraqis brace themselves for yet another
staggeringly high civilian body count in Ramadi. This, amidst recent
news from the Department of Defense that over $19 million has been paid
out in compensation by the US military in Iraq to families who have had
loved ones killed by US troops. The average payout is $2,500 per body,
and nearly half of the $19 million was paid out in the province of
al-Anbar. Reflective of the drastically increased levels of violence in
Iraq, the total amount of compensation payouts for 2005 is nearly four
times what it was the previous year.


Hmm. . . and how much have insurgents paid the good people of al-Anbar?
How much in compensation has Al-Queda paid the good fine people of Anbar
or anywhere else for that matter?

Advice: Don't harbor terrorists in your city.

The fact that the 1,500 US troops who were recently brought into Iraq,
specifically to Ramadi, went unreported by most, if not all, corporate
media outlets didn't come as a surprise to the residents of Ramadi,
however, as street battles between troops and resistance fighters have
been raging for months now.


At least they admit that 'resistance fighters' are in fact in Ramadi. I
wonder why US and Iraqi forces are there?

Advice: Don't admit that you harbor terrorists in your city and then *****
about coalition troops coming in to deal with them. Better yet, don't
harbor terrorists in your city.

The media blackout on Ramadi is already rivaling the blackout on the
draconian measures employed by the military during the November 2004
siege of Fallujah, if not surpassing it. Thus far, the military have
remained reluctant to allow even embedded reporters to travel with them
in Ramadi. With each passing US assault on an Iraqi city, the media
blackout grows darker - and with Ramadi, it is the darkest yet.


Advice: Turn over the terrorists who spend more time murdering Iraqis than
US troops, and Ramadi will see a brighter day.

Most of what we have, aside from sporadic reports from sources inside
the besieged city, is propaganda from the US military spokesman in
Baghdad, Major Todd Breasseale, who only spoke of moving the newly
arrived 1,500 troops in from Kuwait into positions around Ramadi.
"Moving this force will allow tribal leaders and government officials to
go about the very difficult task of taking back their towns from the
criminal elements."


Yes, that's about the size of it. Ridding the city of criminal elements
that is.

Similar to Fallujah, thousands of frightened residents of Ramadi are
fleeing the city, then being turned away from entering Baghdad. With no
tents, food, or aid of any kind being provided to them by the military,
which is a war crime, they are left with nothing but what they carry and
no place to go. These refugees are now adding to the horrific statistic
of over 100,000 displaced families within Iraq, the majority of whom are
so as the result of massive US military operations which have a tendency
to make entire cities unlivable.


Advice: Do not harbor terrorists in your city and you won't have to worry
about becoming a refugee in the first place.

Reports from sources within Ramadi for weeks now have been that US
soldiers have been inhabiting people's homes in order to use their
rooftops as sniper platforms, innocent people are being shot daily, and
people are confused - do they risk leaving and having nowhere to go, or
risk staying in their homes and possibly being killed?


Speaking of propaganda.

Hassan Zaidan Lahaibi, a member of the Council of Representatives in the
Iraqi parliament, told reporters recently, "If things continue, we will
have a humanitarian crisis. People are getting killed or wounded, and
the rest are just migrating aimlessly."


This would be the same Sunni who originally boycotted the election process
because Sunnis were being forced to accept Shia representation
proportional to their population, but who whined incessantly and demanded
new elections when it became clear he was about to get left out of the
political process. Lahaibi is hardly a source that should be trusted. If
Hassan Zaidan Lahaibi wants the citizens of Ramadi to live in peace he
should be the first one to help clear out the garbage.

He could just as easily be describing much of the rest of Iraq, where
the majority of people struggle to survive under the weight of an
increasingly brutal occupation, US-backed death squads, sectarian
militias, staggering unemployment and a devastated infrastructure.


Naw, not a bit of propaganda in that one. Advice: If you support the
insurgents in Ramadi, by all means arm yourself and stand and fight, and
prepare to get buried. Defendario, please go and help your poor resistance
fighters. US forces won't have to put you down though, the insurgents will
do that about five seconds after you are spotted there Nick Berg style.

If these insurgent animals or the local leadership cared a wit about the
good folk of Ramadi they could have stopped what is coming a hundred times
over. They shouldn't whine about it now.

If there's one message one can take from this post, it is: Don't harbour
terrorists in your city ... And, oh! I agree with this post ....%)
- nilita
.
User: "Howard C. Berkowitz"

Title: Re: Ramadi: Fallujah Redux 14 Jun 2006 02:04:53 PM
"La N" <nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:01Rjg.39474$A8.34121@clgrps12...


"John Teague" <johnteag@NOTROLLSgmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.06.14.08.11.59.454553@NOTROLLSgmail.com...

[snip much relevant information on how it is unwise to harbor terrorists]



If there's one message one can take from this post, it is: Don't harbour
terrorists in your city ... And, oh! I agree with this post ....%)

- nilita

Unfortunately, things may not be that simple in a guerilla war. In Viet Nam,
when contested village leaders tipped the GVN/US forces about VC storage or
underground troops, and the VC found out, it was a fairly safe bet that some
pleasant evening, a VC armed propaganda team would arrive and rather messily
execute all they considered collaborators.
Now, if the village had a reasonable self-defense force, with radio links to
reaction forces, and the village also fortified itself, it just might be
able to be a hard enough target to deter the armed propagandists. In a
city, however, it's harder to put in a perimeter of punji stakes.
For the "don't harbor terrorists" approach to work, there has to be a
sufficient security presence in Ramadi that those residents who turn in
terrorists won't themselves be terrorized. That security presence starts at
the Iraqi Police level, and moves up the food chain to increasingly more
powerful reaction forces. On a daily basis, police patrols, and, if hard to
counterfeit, resident identification can help.
In the Third Reich, the Kreisau Circule, the White Rose, and other brave
resisters wound up on the guillotine, if lucky. When there are terrorists as
brutal as the Gestapo, those who would be free need a little help from their
friends.
.
User: "La N"

Title: Re: Ramadi: Fallujah Redux 14 Jun 2006 03:10:16 PM
"Howard C. Berkowitz" <hcb@gettcomm.com> wrote in message
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"La N" <nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:01Rjg.39474$A8.34121@clgrps12...


"John Teague" <johnteag@NOTROLLSgmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.06.14.08.11.59.454553@NOTROLLSgmail.com...

[snip much relevant information on how it is unwise to harbor terrorists]



If there's one message one can take from this post, it is: Don't harbour
terrorists in your city ... And, oh! I agree with this post ....%)

- nilita

Unfortunately, things may not be that simple in a guerilla war. In Viet
Nam,
when contested village leaders tipped the GVN/US forces about VC storage
or
underground troops, and the VC found out, it was a fairly safe bet that
some
pleasant evening, a VC armed propaganda team would arrive and rather
messily
execute all they considered collaborators.

Now, if the village had a reasonable self-defense force, with radio links
to
reaction forces, and the village also fortified itself, it just might be
able to be a hard enough target to deter the armed propagandists. In a
city, however, it's harder to put in a perimeter of punji stakes.

For the "don't harbor terrorists" approach to work, there has to be a
sufficient security presence in Ramadi that those residents who turn in
terrorists won't themselves be terrorized. That security presence starts
at
the Iraqi Police level, and moves up the food chain to increasingly more
powerful reaction forces. On a daily basis, police patrols, and, if hard
to
counterfeit, resident identification can help.

In the Third Reich, the Kreisau Circule, the White Rose, and other brave
resisters wound up on the guillotine, if lucky. When there are terrorists
as
brutal as the Gestapo, those who would be free need a little help from
their
friends.


Geeze, trust you to complicate things, Howard ... :). But, of course, you
have excellent analytical skills. On the flip side there are those of us
who just sing ..... "can't we all get along ... tra la la ...." but knowing
full well that will never happen. Because we're ego driven human beings,
dammit!
- nilita
.



User: "Defendario"

Title: Re: Ramadi: Fallujah Redux 14 Jun 2006 06:38:37 PM
John Teague wrote:

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:09:43 -0400, Defendario wrote:


By Dahr Jamail
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Monday 12 June 2006

Fearful residents are now pouring out of Ramadi after the US military
has been assaulting the city for months with tactics like cutting water,
electricity and medical aid, imposing curfews, and attacking by means of
snipers and random air strikes. This time, Iraqis there are right to
fear the worst - an all out attack on the city, similar to what was done
to nearby Fallujah.



Uh oh.


It has always been just a matter of time before the US military would
finally get around to destroying Ramadi, the capital city of al-Anbar
province. After all, Ramadi is not far from Fallujah, and so similar to
Fallujah both tribally and in their disdain towards the idea of being
occupied, that many people in Ramadi even refer to Fallujah as "Ramadi."
I know many people from Ramadi who lost relatives and friends during
both US assaults on Fallujah, and the level of anti-American sentiment
has always been high there.



Oh dear. Advice: Don't harbor terrorists in your city.

Resistance to occupation is a recognized right under international law.
Iraqi Resistance Forces are a patriotic organizations, not terrorists.
The terrorists would be *us*


By now, we all know the scene when the US military in Iraq decides to
attack an entire city ... we've seen this standard operating procedure
repeated, to one degree or another, in Haditha, Al-Qa'im, Samarra, parts
of Baghdad, Balad, Najaf and Fallujah twice ... so far. The city is
sealed for weeks if not months, water and electricity are cut, medical
aid is cut, curfews imposed, mobility impaired, air strikes utilized,
then the real attack begins. Now in Ramadi, the real attack has begun.



Bummer. Advice: Don't harbor terrorists in your city.


Warplanes are streaking the sky as bombings increase, loudspeakers aimed
into the city warn civilians of a "fierce impending attack," (even
though it has already begun), and thousands of families remain trapped
in their homes, just like in Fallujah during both attacks on that city.
Again, many who remain in the city cannot afford to leave because they
are so poor, or they lack transportation, or they want to guard their
home because it is all they have left.



Although we are nice enough to actually warn residents. Advice: If you
don't want to hear those loudspeakers, do not harbor terrorists in your
city.


Sheikh Fassal Guood, a former governor of al-Anbar said of the
situation, "The situation is catastrophic. No services, no electricity,
no water." He also said, "We know for sure now that Americans and Iraqi
commanders have decided to launch a broad offensive any time now, but
they should have consulted with us."



Advice to the Sheikh: Do not harbor terrorists in your city.

He's doing his best to kick them (the MEF) out, but they are not
cooperating...


Today, a man who lives in Fallujah and who recently visited Ramadi told
me, "Any new government starts with a massacre. That seems like the
price that we Iraqis must pay, especially in the Sunni areas. Ramadi has
been deprived of water, electricity, telephones and all services for
about two months now. US and government forces frankly told people of
Ramadi that they will not get any services unless they hand over 'the
terrorists!!' Operations started last week, but it seems that the
Marines are facing some problems in a city that is a lot bigger in area
than Fallujah. (Ramadi also has at least 50,000 more residents than
Fallujah.) Killing civilians is almost a daily process done by snipers
and soldiers in US armored vehicles. The problem that makes it even more
difficult for the Ramadi people than for those of Fallujah back in 2004
is that they cannot flee to Baghdad, because there they'll face the
government militia assassinations. Nevertheless, the US Army is telling
them to evacuate the city. On the other hand, the government and the US
Army made it clear that they will bring militias to participate in the
wide attack against the city. The UN and the whole world are silent as
usual, and nobody seems to care what is going to happen in Ramadi."



What a load of *****. Advice: Don't lie and harbor terrorists in your
city.

Check the record, John. It's skipping.


Thus, the stage was set and now Iraqis brace themselves for yet another
staggeringly high civilian body count in Ramadi. This, amidst recent
news from the Department of Defense that over $19 million has been paid
out in compensation by the US military in Iraq to families who have had
loved ones killed by US troops. The average payout is $2,500 per body,
and nearly half of the $19 million was paid out in the province of
al-Anbar. Reflective of the drastically increased levels of violence in
Iraq, the total amount of compensation payouts for 2005 is nearly four
times what it was the previous year.



Hmm. . . and how much have insurgents paid the good people of al-Anbar?
How much in compensation has Al-Queda paid the good fine people of Anbar
or anywhere else for that matter?

Freedom has its own reward.

Advice: Don't harbor terrorists in your city.

Yep. The duty of Iraqis is to kill occupation troops wherever they are
found, until their land is free of them.


The fact that the 1,500 US troops who were recently brought into Iraq,
specifically to Ramadi, went unreported by most, if not all, corporate
media outlets didn't come as a surprise to the residents of Ramadi,
however, as street battles between troops and resistance fighters have
been raging for months now.



At least they admit that 'resistance fighters' are in fact in Ramadi. I
wonder why US and Iraqi forces are there?

To steal the riches of Iraq, of course.

Advice: Don't admit that you harbor terrorists in your city and then *****
about coalition troops coming in to deal with them. Better yet, don't
harbor terrorists in your city.

Polly wanna cracker? <squawk>


The media blackout on Ramadi is already rivaling the blackout on the
draconian measures employed by the military during the November 2004
siege of Fallujah, if not surpassing it. Thus far, the military have
remained reluctant to allow even embedded reporters to travel with them
in Ramadi. With each passing US assault on an Iraqi city, the media
blackout grows darker - and with Ramadi, it is the darkest yet.



Advice: Turn over the terrorists who spend more time murdering Iraqis than
US troops, and Ramadi will see a brighter day.

OTOH, kill all the invaders, or drive them from your land.
The Iraqis are fighting for freedom. We can take their lives, and
destroy their land, but one day we will be gone, and the Iraqi people
will remain.


Most of what we have, aside from sporadic reports from sources inside
the besieged city, is propaganda from the US military spokesman in
Baghdad, Major Todd Breasseale, who only spoke of moving the newly
arrived 1,500 troops in from Kuwait into positions around Ramadi.
"Moving this force will allow tribal leaders and government officials to
go about the very difficult task of taking back their towns from the
criminal elements."



Yes, that's about the size of it. Ridding the city of criminal elements
that is.

Resistance to occupation is hardly criminal. Invasion and occupation
based on false pretexts is.


Similar to Fallujah, thousands of frightened residents of Ramadi are
fleeing the city, then being turned away from entering Baghdad. With no
tents, food, or aid of any kind being provided to them by the military,
which is a war crime, they are left with nothing but what they carry and
no place to go. These refugees are now adding to the horrific statistic
of over 100,000 displaced families within Iraq, the majority of whom are
so as the result of massive US military operations which have a tendency
to make entire cities unlivable.



Advice: Do not harbor terrorists in your city and you won't have to worry
about becoming a refugee in the first place.

<squawk>


Reports from sources within Ramadi for weeks now have been that US
soldiers have been inhabiting people's homes in order to use their
rooftops as sniper platforms, innocent people are being shot daily, and
people are confused - do they risk leaving and having nowhere to go, or
risk staying in their homes and possibly being killed?



Speaking of propaganda.


Hassan Zaidan Lahaibi, a member of the Council of Representatives in the
Iraqi parliament, told reporters recently, "If things continue, we will
have a humanitarian crisis. People are getting killed or wounded, and
the rest are just migrating aimlessly."



This would be the same Sunni who originally boycotted the election process
because Sunnis were being forced to accept Shia representation
proportional to their population, but who whined incessantly and demanded
new elections when it became clear he was about to get left out of the
political process. Lahaibi is hardly a source that should be trusted. If
Hassan Zaidan Lahaibi wants the citizens of Ramadi to live in peace he
should be the first one to help clear out the garbage.

I'm sure he holds that intention. Time is on his side.


He could just as easily be describing much of the rest of Iraq, where
the majority of people struggle to survive under the weight of an
increasingly brutal occupation, US-backed death squads, sectarian
militias, staggering unemployment and a devastated infrastructure.



Naw, not a bit of propaganda in that one. Advice: If you support the
insurgents in Ramadi, by all means arm yourself and stand and fight, and
prepare to get buried. Defendario, please go and help your poor resistance
fighters. US forces won't have to put you down though, the insurgents will
do that about five seconds after you are spotted there Nick Berg style.

The Iraqi Resistance is a patriotic organization, dedicated to ridding
their land of occupation forces. I am the messenger.
If the US were occupied by an alien force of immense power, I would
fight them, and expect you to do the same. Put the jackboot on the
other foot...
Speaking of Nick Berg, he was murdered to provide a distraction from the
PR disaster of Abu Ghraib. No Muslims were involved, although some jooz
may have been.
Details here:
http://www.aztlan.net/berg_abu_ghraib_video.htm
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/5/15/22827/0477

If these insurgent animals or the local leadership cared a wit about the
good folk of Ramadi they could have stopped what is coming a hundred times
over. They shouldn't whine about it now.

If the occupation forces cared one whit about the well-being of the
Iraqi people, they would abandon their gear and go home.
Does Democracy look like Stalingrad? To Bushler, it does.
Latest report on Ramadi here:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13605.htm


.
User: "John Teague"

Title: Re: Ramadi: Fallujah Redux 14 Jun 2006 08:45:25 PM
On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 20:38:37 -0400, Defendario wrote:

John Teague wrote:

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:09:43 -0400, Defendario wrote:


By Dahr Jamail
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Monday 12 June 2006

Fearful residents are now pouring out of Ramadi after the US military
has been assaulting the city for months with tactics like cutting
water, electricity and medical aid, imposing curfews, and attacking by
means of snipers and random air strikes. This time, Iraqis there are
right to fear the worst - an all out attack on the city, similar to
what was done to nearby Fallujah.



Uh oh.


It has always been just a matter of time before the US military would
finally get around to destroying Ramadi, the capital city of al-Anbar
province. After all, Ramadi is not far from Fallujah, and so similar to
Fallujah both tribally and in their disdain towards the idea of being
occupied, that many people in Ramadi even refer to Fallujah as
"Ramadi." I know many people from Ramadi who lost relatives and friends
during both US assaults on Fallujah, and the level of anti-American
sentiment has always been high there.



Oh dear. Advice: Don't harbor terrorists in your city.


Resistance to occupation is a recognized right under international law.
Iraqi Resistance Forces are a patriotic organizations, not terrorists.

The terrorists would be *us*

Who is *us*? You, the three people who agree with you, and your other 11
personalities?


By now, we all know the scene when the US military in Iraq decides to
attack an entire city ... we've seen this standard operating procedure
repeated, to one degree or another, in Haditha, Al-Qa'im, Samarra,
parts of Baghdad, Balad, Najaf and Fallujah twice ... so far. The city
is sealed for weeks if not months, water and electricity are cut,
medical aid is cut, curfews imposed, mobility impaired, air strikes
utilized, then the real attack begins. Now in Ramadi, the real attack
has begun.



Bummer. Advice: Don't harbor terrorists in your city.


Warplanes are streaking the sky as bombings increase, loudspeakers
aimed into the city warn civilians of a "fierce impending attack,"
(even though it has already begun), and thousands of families remain
trapped in their homes, just like in Fallujah during both attacks on
that city. Again, many who remain in the city cannot afford to leave
because they are so poor, or they lack transportation, or they want to
guard their home because it is all they have left.



Although we are nice enough to actually warn residents. Advice: If you
don't want to hear those loudspeakers, do not harbor terrorists in your
city.


Sheikh Fassal Guood, a former governor of al-Anbar said of the
situation, "The situation is catastrophic. No services, no electricity,
no water." He also said, "We know for sure now that Americans and Iraqi
commanders have decided to launch a broad offensive any time now, but
they should have consulted with us."



Advice to the Sheikh: Do not harbor terrorists in your city.


He's doing his best to kick them (the MEF) out, but they are not
cooperating...

Then he can die as easily as the rest of the 'resistance' rats.


Today, a man who lives in Fallujah and who recently visited Ramadi told
me, "Any new government starts with a massacre. That seems like the
price that we Iraqis must pay, especially in the Sunni areas. Ramadi
has been deprived of water, electricity, telephones and all services
for about two months now. US and government forces frankly told people
of Ramadi that they will not get any services unless they hand over
'the terrorists!!' Operations started last week, but it seems that the
Marines are facing some problems in a city that is a lot bigger in area
than Fallujah. (Ramadi also has at least 50,000 more residents than
Fallujah.) Killing civilians is almost a daily process done by snipers
and soldiers in US armored vehicles. The problem that makes it even
more difficult for the Ramadi people than for those of Fallujah back in
2004 is that they cannot flee to Baghdad, because there they'll face
the government militia assassinations. Nevertheless, the US Army is
telling them to evacuate the city. On the other hand, the government
and the US Army made it clear that they will bring militias to
participate in the wide attack against the city. The UN and the whole
world are silent as usual, and nobody seems to care what is going to
happen in Ramadi."



What a load of *****. Advice: Don't lie and harbor terrorists in
your city.


Check the record, John. It's skipping.


Thus, the stage was set and now Iraqis brace themselves for yet another
staggeringly high civilian body count in Ramadi. This, amidst recent
news from the Department of Defense that over $19 million has been paid
out in compensation by the US military in Iraq to families who have had
loved ones killed by US troops. The average payout is $2,500 per body,
and nearly half of the $19 million was paid out in the province of
al-Anbar. Reflective of the drastically increased levels of violence in
Iraq, the total amount of compensation payouts for 2005 is nearly four
times what it was the previous year.



Hmm. . . and how much have insurgents paid the good people of al-Anbar?
How much in compensation has Al-Queda paid the good fine people of
Anbar or anywhere else for that matter?


Freedom has its own reward.

Advice: Don't harbor terrorists in your city.


Yep. The duty of Iraqis is to kill occupation troops wherever they are
found, until their land is free of them.

Fine. Let them come out and fight. You can dig the holes for them.


The fact that the 1,500 US troops who were recently brought into Iraq,
specifically to Ramadi, went unreported by most, if not all, corporate
media outlets didn't come as a surprise to the residents of Ramadi,
however, as street battles between troops and resistance fighters have
been raging for months now.



At least they admit that 'resistance fighters' are in fact in Ramadi. I
wonder why US and Iraqi forces are there?


To steal the riches of Iraq, of course.

Hahaha! Yeah, because shithole Ramadi abounds in wealth.

Advice: Don't admit that you harbor terrorists in your city and then
***** about coalition troops coming in to deal with them. Better yet,
don't harbor terrorists in your city.


Polly wanna cracker? <squawk>


The media blackout on Ramadi is already rivaling the blackout on the
draconian measures employed by the military during the November 2004
siege of Fallujah, if not surpassing it. Thus far, the military have
remained reluctant to allow even embedded reporters to travel with them
in Ramadi. With each passing US assault on an Iraqi city, the media
blackout grows darker - and with Ramadi, it is the darkest yet.



Advice: Turn over the terrorists who spend more time murdering Iraqis
than US troops, and Ramadi will see a brighter day.


OTOH, kill all the invaders, or drive them from your land.

You keep saying that messenger boy. Pick up a weapon and stand with them.
Oh, I forgot, your a hater not a fighter.

The Iraqis are fighting for freedom. We can take their lives, and
destroy their land, but one day we will be gone, and the Iraqi people
will remain.

Been watching Mel Gibson flicks again have you.

Most of what we have, aside from sporadic reports from sources inside
the besieged city, is propaganda from the US military spokesman in
Baghdad, Major Todd Breasseale, who only spoke of moving the newly
arrived 1,500 troops in from Kuwait into positions around Ramadi.
"Moving this force will allow tribal leaders and government officials
to go about the very difficult task of taking back their towns from the
criminal elements."



Yes, that's about the size of it. Ridding the city of criminal elements
that is.


Resistance to occupation is hardly criminal. Invasion and occupation
based on false pretexts is.

Speaking of a stuck needles on records.

Similar to Fallujah, thousands of frightened residents of Ramadi are
fleeing the city, then being turned away from entering Baghdad. With no
tents, food, or aid of any kind being provided to them by the military,
which is a war crime, they are left with nothing but what they carry
and no place to go. These refugees are now adding to the horrific
statistic of over 100,000 displaced families within Iraq, the majority
of whom are so as the result of massive US military operations which
have a tendency to make entire cities unlivable.



Advice: Do not harbor terrorists in your city and you won't have to
worry about becoming a refugee in the first place.


<squawk>


Reports from sources within Ramadi for weeks now have been that US
soldiers have been inhabiting people's homes in order to use their
rooftops as sniper platforms, innocent people are being shot daily, and
people are confused - do they risk leaving and having nowhere to go, or
risk staying in their homes and possibly being killed?



Speaking of propaganda.


Hassan Zaidan Lahaibi, a member of the Council of Representatives in
the Iraqi parliament, told reporters recently, "If things continue, we
will have a humanitarian crisis. People are getting killed or wounded,
and the rest are just migrating aimlessly."



This would be the same Sunni who originally boycotted the election
process because Sunnis were being forced to accept Shia representation
proportional to their population, but who whined incessantly and
demanded new elections when it became clear he was about to get left
out of the political process. Lahaibi is hardly a source that should be
trusted. If Hassan Zaidan Lahaibi wants the citizens of Ramadi to live
in peace he should be the first one to help clear out the garbage.


I'm sure he holds that intention. Time is on his side.

You can always go ask him and get the facts straight from his own lips.

He could just as easily be describing much of the rest of Iraq, where
the majority of people struggle to survive under the weight of an
increasingly brutal occupation, US-backed death squads, sectarian
militias, staggering unemployment and a devastated infrastructure.



Naw, not a bit of propaganda in that one. Advice: If you support the
insurgents in Ramadi, by all means arm yourself and stand and fight,
and prepare to get buried. Defendario, please go and help your poor
resistance fighters. US forces won't have to put you down though, the
insurgents will do that about five seconds after you are spotted there
Nick Berg style.


The Iraqi Resistance is a patriotic organization, dedicated to ridding
their land of occupation forces. I am the messenger.

How courageous of you. Nevertheless, you should get ready to go into a
long period of mourning over what is coming--you're about to witness the
death of an awful lot of your dear patriots.

If the US were occupied by an alien force of immense power, I would
fight them, and expect you to do the same. Put the jackboot on the
other foot...

When Martians with death ray guns show up and invade the US we'll give you
a call, alien killer.

Speaking of Nick Berg, he was murdered to provide a distraction from the
PR disaster of Abu Ghraib. No Muslims were involved, although some jooz
may have been.

Details here:
http://www.aztlan.net/berg_abu_ghraib_video.htm
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/5/15/22827/0477

Hahahahahaha! Speaking of aliens.

If these insurgent animals or the local leadership cared a wit about
the good folk of Ramadi they could have stopped what is coming a
hundred times over. They shouldn't whine about it now.


If the occupation forces cared one whit about the well-being of the
Iraqi people, they would abandon their gear and go home.

How disappointing and frustrating this all must be for you. Cool!

Does Democracy look like Stalingrad? To Bushler, it does.

Latest report on Ramadi here:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13605.htm

LOL. Whitney is just breaking my heart.
.
User: "La N"

Title: Re: Ramadi: Fallujah Redux 14 Jun 2006 08:57:01 PM
"John Teague" <johnteag@NOTROLLSgmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.06.15.01.45.23.975457@NOTROLLSgmail.com...

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 20:38:37 -0400, Defendario wrote:



The Iraqi Resistance is a patriotic organization, dedicated to ridding
their land of occupation forces. I am the messenger.


How courageous of you.

Bearing in mind, of course, that Defendario is a seasonal roofer, he prolly
has a lot of spare time for being messenger for the Iraqi Freedom fighters!
- nilita <rolling eyes>
.
User: "Defendario"

Title: Re: Ramadi: Fallujah Redux 14 Jun 2006 10:03:31 PM
La N wrote:

"John Teague" <johnteag@NOTROLLSgmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.06.15.01.45.23.975457@NOTROLLSgmail.com...

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 20:38:37 -0400, Defendario wrote:




The Iraqi Resistance is a patriotic organization, dedicated to ridding
their land of occupation forces. I am the messenger.


How courageous of you.



Bearing in mind, of course, that Defendario is a seasonal roofer, he prolly
has a lot of spare time for being messenger for the Iraqi Freedom fighters!

Your ignorance knows no bounds, Nil=0.

- nilita <rolling eyes>

Do you fetch, too? Roll over? Play dead?
;D



.

User: "John Teague"

Title: Re: Ramadi: Fallujah Redux 14 Jun 2006 09:46:53 PM
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 02:57:01 +0000, La N wrote:

"John Teague" <johnteag@NOTROLLSgmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.06.15.01.45.23.975457@NOTROLLSgmail.com...

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 20:38:37 -0400, Defendario wrote:



The Iraqi Resistance is a patriotic organization, dedicated to ridding
their land of occupation forces. I am the messenger.


How courageous of you.


Bearing in mind, of course, that Defendario is a seasonal roofer, he
prolly has a lot of spare time for being messenger for the Iraqi Freedom
fighters!

Yes, he is a roofer alright, but only because he exhibits the same
symptoms of one who ingests Rohypnol:
* can't remember what happened
* sleepiness
* loss of muscle control
* problems talking
* difficulty with motor movements
* loss of consciousness
* confusion
* problems seeing
* dizziness
* stomach problems
* drunk feeling
* nausea
That may or may not account for additional symptoms, such as his:
* constant drooling
* flatulence
* hallucinations
* often waking with a sore ***** and five dollars in his hand
John,
who is certain Defendario is looking for love in all the wrong places.
.
User: "Defendario"

Title: Re: Ramadi: Fallujah Redux 14 Jun 2006 10:17:32 PM
John Teague wrote:

On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 02:57:01 +0000, La N wrote:



"John Teague" <johnteag@NOTROLLSgmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.06.15.01.45.23.975457@NOTROLLSgmail.com...

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 20:38:37 -0400, Defendario wrote:




The Iraqi Resistance is a patriotic organization, dedicated to ridding
their land of occupation forces. I am the messenger.


How courageous of you.


Bearing in mind, of course, that Defendario is a seasonal roofer, he
prolly has a lot of spare time for being messenger for the Iraqi Freedom
fighters!



Yes, he is a roofer alright, but only because he exhibits the same
symptoms of one who ingests Rohypnol:

* can't remember what happened
* sleepiness
* loss of muscle control
* problems talking
* difficulty with motor movements
* loss of consciousness
* confusion
* problems seeing
* dizziness
* stomach problems
* drunk feeling
* nausea

That may or may not account for additional symptoms, such as his:

* constant drooling
* flatulence
* hallucinations
* often waking with a sore ***** and five dollars in his hand

John,
who is certain Defendario is looking for love in all the wrong places.

The voice of experience speaking, Meat Gazer?
.



User: "Defendario"

Title: Re: Ramadi: Fallujah Redux 14 Jun 2006 09:59:20 PM
John Teague wrote:

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 20:38:37 -0400, Defendario wrote:


John Teague wrote:


On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:09:43 -0400, Defendario wrote:



By Dahr Jamail
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Monday 12 June 2006

Fearful residents are now pouring out of Ramadi after the US military
has been assaulting the city for months with tactics like cutting
water, electricity and medical aid, imposing curfews, and attacking by
means of snipers and random air strikes. This time, Iraqis there are
right to fear the worst - an all out attack on the city, similar to
what was done to nearby Fallujah.



Uh oh.



It has always been just a matter of time before the US military would
finally get around to destroying Ramadi, the capital city of al-Anbar
province. After all, Ramadi is not far from Fallujah, and so similar to
Fallujah both tribally and in their disdain towards the idea of being
occupied, that many people in Ramadi even refer to Fallujah as
"Ramadi." I know many people from Ramadi who lost relatives and friends
during both US assaults on Fallujah, and the level of anti-American
sentiment has always been high there.



Oh dear. Advice: Don't harbor terrorists in your city.



Resistance to occupation is a recognized right under international law.
Iraqi Resistance Forces are a patriotic organizations, not terrorists.

The terrorists would be *us*



Who is *us*? You, the three people who agree with you, and your other 11
personalities?

I refer to the UsReeL/UK (plus assorted hangers-on) coalition occupation
forces who are engaged in terrorism.
To wit:
Terrorism refers to a strategy of using violence, social threats, or
coordinated attacks, in order to generate fear, cause disruption, and
ultimately, bring about compliance with specified political, religious,
or ideological demands. The targets of terrorist attacks typically are
not the individuals who are killed, injured, or taken hostage, but
rather the societies to which these individuals belong. Terrorism is
designed to subvert existing political atmospheres, often with the aid
of the mass media's influence. Other intended effects of terrorist
activities on targeted societies include the curtailment of civilian
standards of living and civil liberties associated with greater security
demands, economic hardship linked to the costs of war, hopelessness to
defend against assaults, depression, and disintegration of morale. These
objectives are parallel to the objectives of unconventional warfare.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism
Sound familiar? It should.



By now, we all know the scene when the US military in Iraq decides to
attack an entire city ... we've seen this standard operating procedure
repeated, to one degree or another, in Haditha, Al-Qa'im, Samarra,
parts of Baghdad, Balad, Najaf and Fallujah twice ... so far. The city
is sealed for weeks if not months, water and electricity are cut,
medical aid is cut, curfews imposed, mobility impaired, air strikes
utilized, then the real attack begins. Now in Ramadi, the real attack
has begun.



Bummer. Advice: Don't harbor terrorists in your city.



Warplanes are streaking the sky as bombings increase, loudspeakers
aimed into the city warn civilians of a "fierce impending attack,"
(even though it has already begun), and thousands of families remain
trapped in their homes, just like in Fallujah during both attacks on
that city. Again, many who remain in the city cannot afford to leave
because they are so poor, or they lack transportation, or they want to
guard their home because it is all they have left.



Although we are nice enough to actually warn residents. Advice: If you
don't want to hear those loudspeakers, do not harbor terrorists in your
city.



Sheikh Fassal Guood, a former governor of al-Anbar said of the
situation, "The situation is catastrophic. No services, no electricity,
no water." He also said, "We know for sure now that Americans and Iraqi
commanders have decided to launch a broad offensive any time now, but
they should have consulted with us."



Advice to the Sheikh: Do not harbor terrorists in your city.



He's doing his best to kick them (the MEF) out, but they are not
cooperating...



Then he can die as easily as the rest of the 'resistance' rats.

But we went to Ramadi to bring "Freedom" to the people, including the
Sheikh, didn't we?
:-\



Today, a man who lives in Fallujah and who recently visited Ramadi told
me, "Any new government starts with a massacre. That seems like the
price that we Iraqis must pay, especially in the Sunni areas. Ramadi
has been deprived of water, electricity, telephones and all services
for about two months now. US and government forces frankly told people
of Ramadi that they will not get any services unless they hand over
'the terrorists!!' Operations started last week, but it seems that the
Marines are facing some problems in a city that is a lot bigger in area
than Fallujah. (Ramadi also has at least 50,000 more residents than
Fallujah.) Killing civilians is almost a daily process done by snipers
and soldiers in US armored vehicles. The problem that makes it even
more difficult for the Ramadi people than for those of Fallujah back in
2004 is that they cannot flee to Baghdad, because there they'll face
the government militia assassinations. Nevertheless, the US Army is
telling them to evacuate the city. On the other hand, the government
and the US Army made it clear that they will bring militias to
participate in the wide attack against the city. The UN and the whole
world are silent as usual, and nobody seems to care what is going to
happen in Ramadi."



What a load of *****. Advice: Don't lie and harbor terrorists in
your city.



Check the record, John. It's skipping.



Thus, the stage was set and now Iraqis brace themselves for yet another
staggeringly high civilian body count in Ramadi. This, amidst recent
news from the Department of Defense that over $19 million has been paid
out in compensation by the US military in Iraq to families who have had
loved ones killed by US troops. The average payout is $2,500 per body,
and nearly half of the $19 million was paid out in the province of
al-Anbar. Reflective of the drastically increased levels of violence in
Iraq, the total amount of compensation payouts for 2005 is nearly four
times what it was the previous year.



Hmm. . . and how much have insurgents paid the good people of al-Anbar?
How much in compensation has Al-Queda paid the good fine people of
Anbar or anywhere else for that matter?



Freedom has its own reward.


Advice: Don't harbor terrorists in your city.



Yep. The duty of Iraqis is to kill occupation troops wherever they are
found, until their land is free of them.



Fine. Let them come out and fight. You can dig the holes for them.

Sorry. The IRF don't want to fight the war *your* way.
I'll dig holes in Iraq when you pull duty at Arlington, PJ.



The fact that the 1,500 US troops who were recently brought into Iraq,
specifically to Ramadi, went unreported by most, if not all, corporate
media outlets didn't come as a surprise to the residents of Ramadi,
however, as street battles between troops and resistance fighters have
been raging for months now.



At least they admit that 'resistance fighters' are in fact in Ramadi. I
wonder why US and Iraqi forces are there?



To steal the riches of Iraq, of course.



Hahaha! Yeah, because shithole Ramadi abounds in wealth.

Ramadi was once a beautiful city, the capital of Anbar province. If it
is a "shithole" now, thank your friends in the Marine Corps.



Advice: Don't admit that you harbor terrorists in your city and then
***** about coalition troops coming in to deal with them. Better yet,
don't harbor terrorists in your city.



Polly wanna cracker? <squawk>


The media blackout on Ramadi is already rivaling the blackout on the
draconian measures employed by the military during the November 2004
siege of Fallujah, if not surpassing it. Thus far, the military have
remained reluctant to allow even embedded reporters to travel with them
in Ramadi. With each passing US assault on an Iraqi city, the media
blackout grows darker - and with Ramadi, it is the darkest yet.



Advice: Turn over the terrorists who spend more time murdering Iraqis
than US troops, and Ramadi will see a brighter day.



OTOH, kill all the invaders, or drive them from your land.



You keep saying that messenger boy. Pick up a weapon and stand with them.
Oh, I forgot, your a hater not a fighter.

I'm not an Iraqi. My part is played in other venues.



The Iraqis are fighting for freedom. We can take their lives, and
destroy their land, but one day we will be gone, and the Iraqi people
will remain.



Been watching Mel Gibson flicks again have you.

You ought to refresh your memory of it. Actually, I was thinking of
"Enemy at the Gates"



Most of what we have, aside from sporadic reports from sources inside
the besieged city, is propaganda from the US military spokesman in
Baghdad, Major Todd Breasseale, who only spoke of moving the newly
arrived 1,500 troops in from Kuwait into positions around Ramadi.
"Moving this force will allow tribal leaders and government officials
to go about the very difficult task of taking back their towns from the
criminal elements."



Yes, that's about the size of it. Ridding the city of criminal elements
that is.



Resistance to occupation is hardly criminal. Invasion and occupation
based on false pretexts is.



Speaking of a stuck needles on records.

How many times have I repeated *myself*?
You OTOH bore everyone with your tired mantra.



Similar to Fallujah, thousands of frightened residents of Ramadi are
fleeing the city, then being turned away from entering Baghdad. With no
tents, food, or aid of any kind being provided to them by the military,
which is a war crime, they are left with nothing but what they carry
and no place to go. These refugees are now adding to the horrific
statistic of over 100,000 displaced families within Iraq, the majority
of whom are so as the result of massive US military operations which
have a tendency to make entire cities unlivable.



Advice: Do not harbor terrorists in your city and you won't have to
worry about becoming a refugee in the first place.



<squawk>


Reports from sources within Ramadi for weeks now have been that US
soldiers have been inhabiting people's homes in order to use their
rooftops as sniper platforms, innocent people are being shot daily, and
people are confused - do they risk leaving and having nowhere to go, or
risk staying in their homes and possibly being killed?



Speaking of propaganda.



Hassan Zaidan Lahaibi, a member of the Council of Representatives in
the Iraqi parliament, told reporters recently, "If things continue, we
will have a humanitarian crisis. People are getting killed or wounded,
and the rest are just migrating aimlessly."



This would be the same Sunni who originally boycotted the election
process because Sunnis were being forced to accept Shia representation
proportional to their population, but who whined incessantly and
demanded new elections when it became clear he was about to get left
out of the political process. Lahaibi is hardly a source that should be
trusted. If Hassan Zaidan Lahaibi wants the citizens of Ramadi to live
in peace he should be the first one to help clear out the garbage.



I'm sure he holds that intention. Time is on his side.



You can always go ask him and get the facts straight from his own lips.

Why should I? Others do their part, I do mine.


He could just as easily be describing much of the rest of Iraq, where
the majority of people struggle to survive under the weight of an
increasingly brutal occupation, US-backed death squads, sectarian
militias, staggering unemployment and a devastated infrastructure.



Naw, not a bit of propaganda in that one. Advice: If you support the
insurgents in Ramadi, by all means arm yourself and stand and fight,
and prepare to get buried. Defendario, please go and help your poor
resistance fighters. US forces won't have to put you down though, the
insurgents will do that about five seconds after you are spotted there
Nick Berg style.



The Iraqi Resistance is a patriotic organization, dedicated to ridding
their land of occupation forces. I am the messenger.



How courageous of you. Nevertheless, you should get ready to go into a
long period of mourning over what is coming--you're about to witness the
death of an awful lot of your dear patriots.

They will be martyrs for the cause of patriotism and faith. The lads
who will feed worms at Robert E Lee's estate will do it for
Halliburton's profits. Them I pity.


If the US were occupied by an alien force of immense power, I would
fight them, and expect you to do the same. Put the jackboot on the
other foot...



When Martians with death ray guns show up and invade the US we'll give you
a call, alien killer.

The ability to see the point of view of others is a sign of maturity.
Most people achieve it before getting old, but there are exceptions.


Speaking of Nick Berg, he was murdered to provide a distraction from the
PR disaster of Abu Ghraib. No Muslims were involved, although some jooz
may have been.

Details here:
http://www.aztlan.net/berg_abu_ghraib_video.htm
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/5/15/22827/0477



Hahahahahaha! Speaking of aliens.

Can't offer a serious refutation? Surprise surprise.


If these insurgent animals or the local leadership cared a wit about
the good folk of Ramadi they could have stopped what is coming a
hundred times over. They shouldn't whine about it now.



If the occupation forces cared one whit about the well-being of the
Iraqi people, they would abandon their gear and go home.



How disappointing and frustrating this all must be for you. Cool!

I'm frustrated that the future of our Nation is being mortgaged to China
and Saudi Arabia so that $10 Billion/month can be poured into the black
hole of the Iraq Quagmire. It disappoints me that otherwise reasonable
people fail to understand that this is trouble.


Does Democracy look like Stalingrad? To Bushler, it does.

Latest report on Ramadi here:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13605.htm



LOL. Whitney is just breaking my heart.

If you had one, it might. How about your checkbook?
;D
.
User: "John Teague"

Title: Re: Ramadi: Fallujah Redux 14 Jun 2006 11:05:26 PM
On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:59:20 -0400, Defendario wrote:
<snip>

The terrorists would be *us*



Who is *us*? You, the three people who agree with you, and your other
11 personalities?


I refer to the UsReeL/UK (plus assorted hangers-on) coalition occupation
forces who are engaged in terrorism.

To wit:
Terrorism refers to a strategy of using violence, social threats, or
coordinated attacks, in order to generate fear, cause disruption, and
ultimately, bring about compliance with specified political, religious,
or ideological demands. The targets of terrorist attacks typically are
not the individuals who are killed, injured, or taken hostage, but
rather the societies to which these individuals belong. Terrorism is
designed to subvert existing political atmospheres, often with the aid
of the mass media's influence. Other intended effects of terrorist
activities on targeted societies include the curtailment of civilian
standards of living and civil liberties associated with greater security
demands, economic hardship linked to the costs of war, hopelessness to
defend against assaults, depression, and disintegration of morale. These
objectives are parallel to the objectives of unconventional warfare.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism

Sound familiar? It should.

Okay, your were the one who used the word *us* so thanks for admitting
that you fit the wikipedia definition.



By now, we all know the scene when the US military in Iraq decides to
attack an entire city ... we've seen this standard operating
procedure repeated, to one degree or another, in Haditha, Al-Qa'im,
Samarra, parts of Baghdad, Balad, Najaf and Fallujah twice ... so
far. The city is sealed for weeks if not months, water and
electricity are cut, medical aid is cut, curfews imposed, mobility
impaired, air strikes utilized, then the real attack begins. Now in
Ramadi, the real attack has begun.



Bummer. Advice: Don't harbor terrorists in your city.



Warplanes are streaking the sky as bombings increase, loudspeakers
aimed into the city warn civilians of a "fierce impending attack,"
(even though it has already begun), and thousands of families remain
trapped in their homes, just like in Fallujah during both attacks on
that city. Again, many who remain in the city cannot afford to leave
because they are so poor, or they lack transportation, or they want
to guard their home because it is all they have left.



Although we are nice enough to actually warn residents. Advice: If you
don't want to hear those loudspeakers, do not harbor terrorists in
your city.



Sheikh Fassal Guood, a former governor of al-Anbar said of the
situation, "The situation is catastrophic. No services, no
electricity, no water." He also said, "We know for sure now that
Americans and Iraqi commanders have decided to launch a broad
offensive any time now, but they should have consulted with us."



Advice to the Sheikh: Do not harbor terrorists in your city.



He's doing his best to kick them (the MEF) out, but they are not
cooperating...



Then he can die as easily as the rest of the 'resistance' rats.


But we went to Ramadi to bring "Freedom" to the people, including the
Sheikh, didn't we?
:-\

Actually, some of us went to Iraq to help bring freedom to Iraqis. You, on
the other hand are, at this moment, about as close to Iraq as you're ever
going to be. What a pity.



Today, a man who lives in Fallujah and who recently visited Ramadi
told me, "Any new government starts with a massacre. That seems like
the price that we Iraqis must pay, especially in the Sunni areas.
Ramadi has been deprived of water, electricity, telephones and all
services for about two months now. US and government forces frankly
told people of Ramadi that they will not get any services unless they
hand over 'the terrorists!!' Operations started last week, but it
seems that the Marines are facing some problems in a city that is a
lot bigger in area than Fallujah. (Ramadi also has at least 50,000
more residents than Fallujah.) Killing civilians is almost a daily
process done by snipers and soldiers in US armored vehicles. The
problem that makes it even more difficult for the Ramadi people than
for those of Fallujah back in 2004 is that they cannot flee to
Baghdad, because there they'll face the government militia
assassinations. Nevertheless, the US Army is telling them to evacuate
the city. On the other hand, the government and the US Army made it
clear that they will bring militias to participate in the wide attack
against the city. The UN and the whole world are silent as usual, and
nobody seems to care what is going to happen in Ramadi."



What a load of *****. Advice: Don't lie and harbor terrorists in
your city.



Check the record, John. It's skipping.



Thus, the stage was set and now Iraqis brace themselves for yet
another staggeringly high civilian body count in Ramadi. This, amidst
recent news from the Department of Defense that over $19 million has
been paid out in compensation by the US military in Iraq to families
who have had loved ones killed by US troops. The average payout is
$2,500 per body, and nearly half of the $19 million was paid out in
the province of al-Anbar. Reflective of the drastically increased
levels of violence in Iraq, the total amount of compensation payouts
for 2005 is nearly four times what it was the previous year.



Hmm. . . and how much have insurgents paid the good people of
al-Anbar? How much in compensation has Al-Queda paid the good fine
people of Anbar or anywhere else for that matter?



Freedom has its own reward.


Advice: Don't harbor terrorists in your city.



Yep. The duty of Iraqis is to kill occupation troops wherever they are
found, until their land is free of them.



Fine. Let them come out and fight. You can dig the holes for them.


Sorry. The IRF don't want to fight the war *your* way.

I'll dig holes in Iraq when you pull duty at Arlington, PJ.

Is that a promise?



The fact that the 1,500 US troops who were recently brought into
Iraq, specifically to Ramadi, went unreported by most, if not all,
corporate media outlets didn't come as a surprise to the residents of
Ramadi, however, as street battles between troops and resistance
fighters have been raging for months now.



At least they admit that 'resistance fighters' are in fact in Ramadi.
I wonder why US and Iraqi forces are there?



To steal the riches of Iraq, of course.



Hahaha! Yeah, because shithole Ramadi abounds in wealth.


Ramadi was once a beautiful city, the capital of Anbar province. If it
is a "shithole" now, thank your friends in the Marine Corps.

Thanks devil dogs!



Advice: Don't admit that you harbor terrorists in your city and then
***** about coalition troops coming in to deal with them. Better yet,
don't harbor terrorists in your city.


Polly wanna cracker? <squawk>


The media blackout on Ramadi is already rivaling the blackout on the
draconian measures employed by the military during the November 2004
siege of Fallujah, if not surpassing it. Thus far, the military have
remained reluctant to allow even embedded reporters to travel with
them in Ramadi. With each passing US assault on an Iraqi city, the
media blackout grows darker - and with Ramadi, it is the darkest yet.



Advice: Turn over the terrorists who spend more time murdering Iraqis
than US troops, and Ramadi will see a brighter day.



OTOH, kill all the invaders, or drive them from your land.



You keep saying that messenger boy. Pick up a weapon and stand with
them. Oh, I forgot, your a hater not a fighter.


I'm not an Iraqi.

Neither are a lot of the terrorists who occupy Ramadi. Not being Iraqi
didn't stop them. What's your excuse again?

My part is played in other venues.

Where? On local rooftops?



The Iraqis are fighting for freedom. We can take their lives, and
destroy their land, but one day we will be gone, and the Iraqi people
will remain.



Been watching Mel Gibson flicks again have you.


You ought to refresh your memory of it. Actually, I was thinking of
"Enemy at the Gates"

Well, at least now we know where you get your education. That explains a
lot.



Most of what we have, aside from sporadic reports from sources inside
the besieged city, is propaganda from the US military spokesman in
Baghdad, Major Todd Breasseale, who only spoke of moving the newly
arrived 1,500 troops in from Kuwait into positions around Ramadi.
"Moving this force will allow tribal leaders and government officials
to go about the very difficult task of taking back their towns from
the criminal elements."



Yes, that's about the size of it. Ridding the city of criminal
elements that is.



Resistance to occupation is hardly criminal. Invasion and occupation
based on false pretexts is.



Speaking of a stuck needles on records.


How many times have I repeated *myself*?

You OTOH bore everyone with your tired mantra.

Not so boring that you don't come running.



Similar to Fallujah, thousands of frightened residents of Ramadi are
fleeing the city, then being turned away from entering Baghdad. With
no tents, food, or aid of any kind being provided to them by the
military, which is a war crime, they are left with nothing but what
they carry and no place to go. These refugees are now adding to the
horrific statistic of over 100,000 displaced families within Iraq,
the majority of whom are so as the result of massive US military
operations which have a tendency to make entire cities unlivable.



Advice: Do not harbor terrorists in your city and you won't have to
worry about becoming a refugee in the first place.



<squawk>


Reports from sources within Ramadi for weeks now have been that US
soldiers have been inhabiting people's homes in order to use their
rooftops as sniper platforms, innocent people are being shot daily,
and people are confused - do they risk leaving and having nowhere to
go, or risk staying in their homes and possibly being killed?



Speaking of propaganda.



Hassan Zaidan Lahaibi, a member of the Council of Representatives in
the Iraqi parliament, told reporters recently, "If things continue,
we will have a humanitarian crisis. People are getting killed or
wounded, and the rest are just migrating aimlessly."



This would be the same Sunni who originally boycotted the election
process because Sunnis were being forced to accept Shia representation
proportional to their population, but who whined incessantly and
demanded new elections when it became clear he was about to get left
out of the political process. Lahaibi is hardly a source that should
be trusted. If Hassan Zaidan Lahaibi wants the citizens of Ramadi to
live in peace he should be the first one to help clear out the
garbage.



I'm sure he holds that intention. Time is on his side.



You can always go ask him and get the facts straight from his own lips.


Why should I? Others do their part, I do mine.

No, actually you just flap your gums about things you have neither
experienced nor understand because you really lack the guts to find out on
your own.


He could just as easily be describing much of the rest of Iraq, where
the majority of people struggle to survive under the weight of an
increasingly brutal occupation, US-backed death squads, sectarian
militias, staggering unemployment and a devastated infrastructure.



Naw, not a bit of propaganda in that one. Advice: If you support the
insurgents in Ramadi, by all means arm yourself and stand and fight,
and prepare to get buried. Defendario, please go and help your poor
resistance fighters. US forces won't have to put you down though, the
insurgents will do that about five seconds after you are spotted there
Nick Berg style.



The Iraqi Resistance is a patriotic organization, dedicated to ridding
their land of occupation forces. I am the messenger.



How courageous of you. Nevertheless, you should get ready to go into a
long period of mourning over what is coming--you're about to witness
the death of an awful lot of your dear patriots.


They will be martyrs for the cause of patriotism and faith.

Then let them be martyrs, all are welcome.
<snip>


If the US were occupied by an alien force of immense power, I would
fight them, and expect you to do the same. Put the jackboot on the
other foot...



When Martians with death ray guns show up and invade the US we'll give
you a call, alien killer.


The ability to see the point of view of others is a sign of maturity.
Most people achieve it before getting old, but there are exceptions.


Speaking of Nick Berg, he was murdered to provide a distraction from
the PR disaster of Abu Ghraib. No Muslims were involved, although some
jooz may have been.

Details here:
http://www.aztlan.net/berg_abu_ghraib_video.htm
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/5/15/22827/0477



Hahahahahaha! Speaking of aliens.


Can't offer a serious refutation? Surprise surprise.

Sorry, your right. The articles were written by moon bats who either must
be laughing their asses off at the thought of gullible types like you
buying their *****, or they need serious psychological help. How's
that?


If these insurgent animals or the local leadership cared a wit about
the good folk of Ramadi they could have stopped what is coming a
hundred times over. They shouldn't whine about it now.



If the occupation forces cared one whit about the well-being of the
Iraqi people, they would abandon their gear and go home.



How disappointing and frustrating this all must be for you. Cool!


I'm frustrated that the future of our Nation is being mortgaged to China
and Saudi Arabia so that $10 Billion/month can be poured into the black
hole of the Iraq Quagmire. It disappoints me that otherwise reasonable
people fail to understand that this is trouble.

But wait. Didn't you just say that the US is stealing all the *riches*
from Iraq? That should more than pay for it, right?
<snip>
.
User: "Defendario"

Title: Re: Ramadi: Fallujah Redux 15 Jun 2006 08:50:51 PM
John Teague wrote:

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:59:20 -0400, Defendario wrote:

<snip>

The terrorists would be *us*



Who is *us*? You, the three people who agree with you, and your other
11 personalities?



I refer to the UsReeL/UK (plus assorted hangers-on) coalition occupation
forces who are engaged in terrorism.

To wit:
Terrorism refers to a strategy of using violence, social threats, or
coordinated attacks, in order to generate fear, cause disruption, and
ultimately, bring about compliance with specified political, religious,
or ideological demands. The targets of terrorist attacks typically are
not the individuals who are killed, injured, or taken hostage, but
rather the societies to which these individuals belong. Terrorism is
designed to subvert existing political atmospheres, often with the aid
of the mass media's influence. Other intended effects of terrorist
activities on targeted societies include the curtailment of civilian
standards of living and civil liberties associated with greater security
demands, economic hardship linked to the costs of war, hopelessness to
defend against assaults, depression, and disintegration of morale. These
objectives are parallel to the objectives of unconventional warfare.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism

Sound familiar? It should.



Okay, your were the one who used the word *us* so thanks for admitting
that you fit the wikipedia definition.

You shouldn't post when drunk, PJ.


By now, we all know the scene when the US military in Iraq decides to
attack an entire city ... we've seen this standard operating
procedure repeated, to one degree or another, in Haditha, Al-Qa'im,
Samarra, parts of Baghdad, Balad, Najaf and Fallujah twice ... so
far. The city is sealed for weeks if not months, water and
electricity are cut, medical aid is cut, curfews imposed, mobility
impaired, air strikes utilized, then the real attack begins. Now in
Ramadi, the real attack has begun.



Bummer. Advice: Don't harbor terrorists in your city.




Warplanes are streaking the sky as bombings increase, loudspeakers
aimed into the city warn civilians of a "fierce impending attack,"
(even though it has already begun), and thousands of families remain
trapped in their homes, just like in Fallujah during both attacks on
that city. Again, many who remain in the city cannot afford to leave
because they are so poor, or they lack transportation, or they want
to guard their home because it is all they have left.



Although we are nice enough to actually warn residents. Advice