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"Raymond Karczewski" |
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19 Apr 2004 01:12:28 AM |
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Raymond Karczewski: A theology without reason |
Raymond Karczewski: A theology without reason
Posted by Jay at April 18, 2004 11:12 PM
Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink.net) wrote:
rk: “Our consciousness is the One consciousness of all
mankind, past and present.” - - Raymond Karczewski
j: > As many of you know, we’ve been plagued by an odd kind of
theologian on our site: one who has invented his own theology.
rk: As opposed to blind believers following other blind
believers in their collective theology, eh? The civilized world
today is the culmination of such "other directed" theology which
has condemned man to live out his life in a ego/self-constructed
Hell on Earth.
j: > Based on energy, a general problem with authority, and a
terrible understanding of how the mind functions, Karczewski
simply invented a theology, which judging by his site hasn’t been
accepted by many.
rk: There are and always have been many more ignoramuses on
earth than there were Christs. How many accepted Jesus in His
time?
j: > He has also unloaded a barrage of almost impenetrable
hogwash on several areas of this site.
rk: "Impenetrable" is an apt description of Truth, is it not?
"Hogwash" is merely a face-saving rationalization of one who does
not understand that which he emotionally attacks.
j: > So, I decided to visit his website in an attempt to see
what Mr. Karczewski believes – he could never articulate an
actual belief in his posts on our site.
j: > Here’s a sample of Mr. Karczewski’s theological insight:
rk: “In His speaking, Christ revealed the ways to the deeper,
nondualistic levels of the mind and beyond, the levels of
understanding and Love. One such quote pointing to the deeper,
nondualistic level of mind can be found in the statement "Except
that Ye come as little children, Ye shall not enter the Kingdom
of Heaven." This clearly points to the fact that children have
not yet been fully corrupted in their [sic] thinking (through
conditioning) and are still free, honest and unencumbered in
their perceptions and actions. Unfortunately, this state of grace
is soon lost as the child is inexorably drawn into the thought
structures of adult society.”
j: > In my mind, this is the perfect example of someone who
developed a personal theology and then entered the Bible to find
it.
rk: So you rely upon a book in order to live Life in the Moment.
See what I mean about BASSACKWARDS?
j: > His mind is closed to what the Bible is actually saying,
rather he goes in seeking a specific “truth” and finds any verse
that might, in some obscure way, support his position.
rk: There is Truth in the Bible, but the Bible is NOT TRUTH.
rk: The simple fact is that when in Rome do as the Romans do.
When a Christ is on a visitor's pass to Hell, do as the
Hell-bound do. USE THEIR LANGUAGE to communicate.
j: > The biggest problem with this modus operandi is the
blindness with which you must operate – Karczewski must ignore
most of the Bible if his theology is to be accepted.
rk: The Bible is only a book. No different than any other book
written by man. It requires the Satanic leap of logic which
demands that the words of the Bible be attributed to God and not
to the men who actually wrote the words. When you can make a
blind believer swallow a whopper like the immaculate conception,
the beliver is then living in religious "la la land" and will
swallow anything. How else do you think young boys can be turned
into killers after 16 weeks of military basic training and sent
off into foreign lands to kill vast numbers of people they have
nothing against. It's called MIND CONTROL!!!
j: > The best summary of what Raymond teaches is “dualism.” He
seems to teach that “truth” is found within each of our minds.
rk: You've got that one BASSACKWARDS, BUB!!
j: > But he’ll attack you personally if you don’t agree with
this odd philosophy.
rk: I've not attacked anyone on this forum or elsewhere. I
merely MIRRORED the ignorance that is rampant among blind
believers.
j: > He suggests the mind is limited and truth is external (his
philosophy is completely focused internally), but somehow if our
“energy” is right we can know truth, apparently:
rk: >> If your reality is based on information gained through
"outer directed" suggestion, words, and images which are
impressed upon your consciousness from institutional sources you
are being hypnotized. If, on the other hand, you listen or
observe quietly (without interpreting what is perceived) and
allow the perception to tell its story, you have stepped into the
realm of understanding, the unfoldment of truth.
j: > To be rational, if you think you can think, rationalize,
or even “observe quietly” “without interpreting” and without
allowing your mind to function, you’re fooling yourself.
rk: Why are you so quick to judge that with which you are not
familiar? Such prideful judgments shall only return to bite you
in the backside (as you have so proved during these recent
interchanges).
j: > Raymond ultimately believes we are all Pavlov’s dog and
society, religion, and even our parents are Pavlov in a
collectivistic sense (without realizing their role, of course
since they also function as Pavlov’s dog).
rk: It is ironic that you should project onto another your own
self-characterization of being like "pavlov's dog." How else
would you characterize institutionalized religious conditioning?
"Judge not lest ye be judged." See what I mean about being bit
in the backside?
j: > But somehow, despite the obvious efficiency of the
scheme, Raymond has “uncorrupted” his “energy” and figured it all
out. He alone has understood this truth. Forgive me if I don’t
jump onboard the paddywagon.
rk: You're free to do what you like -- OR ARE YOU?
j: > What I find most fascinating in Raymond’s writings is that
he never seems to answer the basic questions.
rk: One cannot answer basic questions for another. To do so is
to rob them of their divine Intelligence and hypnotize them
through Satanic Conditioning.
j: > He meanders around a subject and then abruptly shifts.
For example, a chapter in Journey Beyond Thought is called “What
is God?” and Raymond never actually answers the question. He
calls himself a “Christ with Amnesia” perhaps this is why?
rk: What inanity you propose. Only an ignoramus would attempt
to stuff the INFINITE into a thimble, and likewise to attempt to
define God to an Intellect.
rk: Perhaps you will produce the statement where I call myself a
"Christ with Amnesia." You only embarrass yourself with
your kneejerk displays of ignorance, jay.
j: > He does ultimately believe in the existence of God,
despite the fact that his belief structure would render this
unknowable, but he does not believe in the legitimacy of the
Bible:
rk: A wise man understands and speaks from holistic resonance.
A fool speaks from partial knowledge, and stands exposed naked in
his ignorance before the Mirror of Truth.
rk: >> “Can it not be seen that all of these things are of the
unknown, made known only by the mind? This projected reality
exists in man's mind, to this day, by way of the mind's ability
to postulate. The word postulate as defined in Webster's
Dictionary means; "to assume without proof to be true, real, or
necessary." Go to your Bible and examine what is meant by the
"Word of God" when the phrase "IN OUR IMAGE" is used in
describing the creation of man. Is that use of the plural merely
a limitation of language, or is it the minds of men who sought
identification with an idea of something greater than they for
the sake of having power over others? Using simple logic, ask
yourself the question--is it more likely that man was created in
the image of God, or was the thought of what GOD is-- created and
defined in the image of man?”
j: > Which I find fascinating. Is it not possible that God
communed with man and passed along this information? I don’t
think I’ve ever encountered a philosophy that adamantly demands
that no other being could have discovered the existence of the
proposed “truth” first. It is fascinating. But to take it
further, Raymond has no basis for which to proclaim his musings
are “truth” – he can’t rely on an inspired book from God or a
church built by God or even a heavenly vision. Raymond simply
invented a religion and believes it’s so compelling in a new age,
spacy kind of way that you should instantly be converted. It is
an amazing act of hubris on the scale of Nietzsche. Why this
isn’t “satanic” (a favorite term of his despite his apparent
belief that Satan was an invention of our “dualistic minds”),
I’ll never know.
rk: Quite right jay, at the rate you're going -- You'll NEVER
KNOW!!
Raymond Ronald Karczewski©--A Christ Without Amnesia
j: > Ultimately Raymond Karczewski is good at one thing:
invention.
God bless,
Jay
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Let man not Fall for a New World Order.
Let mankind Rise to a New World Consciousness!
Raymond Karczewski http://www.arkenterprises.com
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