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Politics > Politics-USA |
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"Stan de SD" |
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02 Sep 2006 06:02:27 PM |
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Re: 140,000 troops now in Iraq |
<sbm2006@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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Stan de SD wrote:
"Zizek, Angry Man!" <gore@bush.net> wrote in message
news:5a_Jg.344$MF1.273@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
"The United States has expanded its force in Iraq to 140,000 troops,
the
most since January and 13,000 more than five weeks ago, the Pentagon
said
on
Thursday, amid relentless violence in Baghdad and elsewhere."
http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?key=179136281&url_num=86&url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/31/AR2006083101051_pf.html
So much for Rumsfeld's pull out of the troops. Hopefully Americans
will
replace Congress this November with sensible adults who will cut off
Bush's
wars, financially like they did to Nixon in the 70's Vietnam.
You mean the war LBJ started, right? And of course we know what the
result
was - delivering millions of Southeast Asians into starvation and
brutality.
You would have no hesitation to do the same thing again in Iraq, right?
Nope. That was Eisenhower when he gave the word to off the South
Vietnamese Prime Minister
JFK (Democrat) was the president who gave the OK to get rid of Diem in 1963,
dimwit:
http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/vietnam/index-1961.html
1963
January 3, 1963 - A Viet Cong victory in the Battle of Ap Bac makes front
page news in America as 350 Viet Cong fighters defeat a large force of
American-equipped South Vietnamese troops attempting to seize a radio
transmitter. Three American helicopter crew members are killed.
The South Vietnamese Army is run by officers personally chosen by President
Diem, not for their competence, but for their loyalty to him. Diem has
instructed his officers to avoid causalities. Their primary mission, he has
told them, is to protect him from any coups in Saigon.
May 1963 - Buddhists riot in South Vietnam after they are denied the right
to display religious flags during their celebration of Buddha's birthday. In
Hue, South Vietnamese police and army troops shoot at Buddhist
demonstrators, resulting in the deaths of one woman and eight children.
Political pressure now mounts on the Kennedy administration to disassociate
itself from Diem's repressive, family-run government. "You are responsible
for the present trouble because you back Diem and his government of
ignoramuses," a leading Buddhist tells U.S. officials in Saigon.
June-August - Buddhist demonstrations spread. Several Buddhist monks
publicly burn themselves to death as an act of protest. The immolations are
captured on film by news photographers and shock the American public as well
as President Kennedy.
Diem responds to the deepening unrest by imposing martial law. South
Vietnamese special forces, originally trained by the U.S. and now controlled
by Diem's younger brother Nhu wage violent crackdowns against Buddhist
sanctuaries in Saigon, Hue and other cities.
Nhu's crackdowns spark widespread anti-Diem demonstrations. Meanwhile,
during an American TV interview, Nhu's wife, the flamboyant Madame Nhu,
coldly refers to the Buddhist immolations as a 'barbecue.' As the overall
situation worsens, high level talks at the White House focus on the need to
force Diem to reform.
July 4, 1963 - South Vietnamese General Tran Van Don, a Buddhist, contacts
the CIA in Saigon about the possibility of staging a coup against Diem.
August 22, 1963 - The new U.S. ambassador Henry Cabot Lodge arrives in South
Vietnam.
August 24, 1963 - A U.S. State Department message sent to Ambassador Lodge
is interpreted by Lodge to indicate he should encourage the military coup
against President Diem.
August 26, 1963 - Ambassador Lodge meets President Diem for the first time.
Under instructions from President Kennedy, Lodge tells Diem to fire his
brother, the much-hated Nhu, and to reform his government. But Diem
arrogantly refuses even to discuss such matters with Lodge.
August 26, 1963 - President Kennedy and top aides begin three days of heated
discussions over whether the U.S. should in fact support the military coup
against Diem.
August 29, 1963 - Lodge sends a message to Washington stating "...there is
no possibility, in my view, that the war can be won under a Diem
administration." President Kennedy then gives Lodge a free hand to manage
the unfolding events in Saigon. However, the coup against Diem fizzles due
to mistrust and suspicion within the ranks of the military conspirators.
September 2, 1963 - During a TV news interview with Walter Cronkite,
President Kennedy describes Diem as "out of touch with the people" and adds
that South Vietnam's government might regain popular support "with changes
in policy and perhaps in personnel."
Also during the interview, Kennedy comments on America's commitment to
Vietnam "If we withdrew from Vietnam, the Communists would control Vietnam.
Pretty soon, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, Malaya, would go..."
October 2, 1963 - President Kennedy sends Ambassador Lodge a mixed messaged
that "no initiative should now be taken to give any encouragement to a coup"
but that Lodge should "identify and build contacts with possible leadership
as and when it appears."
October 5, 1963 - Lodge informs President Kennedy that the coup against Diem
appears to be on again.
The rebel generals, led by Duong Van "Big" Minh, first ask for assurances
that U.S. aid to South Vietnam will continue after Diem's removal and that
the U.S. will not interfere with the actual coup. This scenario suits the
White House well, in that the generals will appear to acting on their own
without any direct U.S. involvement. President Kennedy gives his approval.
The CIA in Saigon then signals the conspirators that the United States will
not interfere with the overthrow of President Diem.
October 25, 1963 - Prompted by concerns over public relations fallout if the
coup fails, a worried White House seeks reassurances from Ambassador Lodge
that the coup will succeed.
October 28, 1963 - Ambassador Lodge reports a coup is "imminent."
October 29, 1963 - An increasingly nervous White House now instructs Lodge
to postpone the coup. Lodge responds it can only be stopped by betraying the
conspirators to Diem.
November 1, 1963 - Lodge has a routine meeting with Diem from 10 a.m. until
noon at the presidential palace, then departs. At 1:30 p.m., during the
traditional siesta time, the coup begins as mutinous troops roar into
Saigon, surround the presidential palace, and also seize police
headquarters. Diem and his brother Nhu are trapped inside the palace and
reject all appeals to surrender. Diem telephones the rebel generals and
attempts, but fails, to talk them out of the coup. Diem then calls Lodge and
asks "...what is the attitude of the United States?" Lodge responds "...it
is four thirty a.m. in Washington, and the U.S. government cannot possibly
have a view." Lodge then expresses concern for Diem's safety, to which Diem
responds "I am trying to restore order."
At 8 p.m., Diem and Nhu slip out of the presidential palace unnoticed and go
to a safe house in the suburbs that belongs to a wealthy Chinese merchant.
November 2, 1963 - At 3 a.m., one of Diem's aides betrays his location to
the generals. The hunt for Diem and Nhu now begins. At 6 a.m., Diem
telephones the generals. Realizing the situation is hopeless, Diem and Nhu
offer to surrender from inside a Catholic church. Diem and Nhu are then
taken into custody by rebel officers and placed in the back of an armored
personnel carrier. While traveling to Saigon, the vehicle stops and Diem and
Nhu are assassinated.
At the White House, a meeting is interrupted with the news of Diem's death.
According to witnesses, President Kennedy's face turns a ghostly shade of
white and he immediately leaves the room. Later, the President records in
his private diary, "I feel that we must bear a good deal of responsibility
for it."
Saigon celebrates the downfall of Diem's regime. But the coup results in a
power vacuum in which a series of military and civilian governments seize
control of South Vietnam, a country that becomes totally dependent on the
United States for its existence. Viet Cong use the unstable political
situation to increase their hold over the rural population of South Vietnam
to nearly 40 percent.
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