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"Stan Pierce" |
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18 Feb 2006 12:24:47 AM |
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Re: Alas Poor lefty loonig |
"RodneyK" <RodneyKShanley@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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Instead of representing the Christian ideal in unapologetic unambiguous terms,
artists (post WW1) represent the socialist ideal in the form of social
criticism of a culture that has now almost ceased to exist.
RodneyK
You are getting close to the bone here. Unusual to find someone capable of
analysing the present pathology outside the Marxian thesis.
The artistic expression post WW1 lost itself in self absorption. Self Analysis.
Freud started to get read..
The loss of Faith left the human mind searching for Meaning.
The trouble was at the time...and is still the problem , there are a limited
number of people in any society with artistic TALENT. The war killed so many,
and the talented went with them. Those with talent that survived wrote words
in books...which is a lesser talent than painting. And they were all of a
certain officer class...working class did not write books then even if they had
talent.
And here is the rub.
The mental angst that once found expression through Faith into Art , now,
because of the dearth of talent, became obsessively transferred into the
immediate societal problems...Politics.
The western world is now full of talentless men seeking Meaning for themselves
through political expression. Like the Greek society, once you lose that
confident spirit, faith in your Gods, and willpower, all the talents die.
Greeks are now talentless shopkeepers, but very political.
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| User: "Andrew D" |
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| Title: Re: Alas Poor lefty loonig |
18 Feb 2006 05:36:23 AM |
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In article <P4zJf.10798$yK1.4471@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, "Stan
Pierce" <ecreipt@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
"RodneyK" <RodneyKShanley@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:dXxJf.10758$yK1.9272@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
(snipped)
Instead of representing the Christian ideal in unapologetic
unambiguous terms,
artists (post WW1) represent the socialist ideal in the form of social
criticism of a culture that has now almost ceased to exist.
RodneyK
You are getting close to the bone here. Unusual to find someone capable of
analysing the present pathology outside the Marxian thesis.
The artistic expression post WW1 lost itself in self absorption. Self
Analysis.
Freud started to get read..
The loss of Faith left the human mind searching for Meaning.
I haven't really followed this but I'd like to suggest that the pursuit of
art itself didn't turn any major corners as such, just the art
establishment (universities, major galleries, critics). You'll still find
millions of artists who pursue the illustration of beauty through a vast
range of means and media. You just won't find them on the art pages of
your local newspaper or in your publicly-funded state gallery or in the
list of arts grants winners. The establishment ignores these people in
preference for those who dribble and smear paint or who think of new ways
to staple computer motherboards to the backsides of cows and parade them
through your local shopping mall - probably with state funding to pay for
the exercise. They elevate mediocrity to the status of "great art" whilst
dismissing and disparaging anyone who can actually produce an acceptable
likeness of anything and whose works might actually enjoy a wide level of
public support.
In reality, today's art is not really about politcial expression or
externalising internal angst or anything even nearly that complex. It is
about shocking, annoying or even boring the general public (or specific
groups within it - except women of course because the art establishemnt
will generally consider women, as a group, to be powerless victims
unworthy of scorn or derision). The better you are at grabbing headlines,
the more likely you are to have your work glorified by some pratt whose
only real ability is to use the word "juxtaposition" in anything and
everything he writes.
--
Andy D.
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| User: "Nemesis" |
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| Title: Re: Alas Poor lefty loonig |
18 Feb 2006 06:15:14 AM |
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"Andrew D" <andyd@elsewhere.com> wrote
I haven't really followed this but I'd like to suggest that the pursuit of
art itself didn't turn any major corners as such, just the art
establishment (universities, major galleries, critics). You'll still find
millions of artists who pursue the illustration of beauty through a vast
range of means and media. You just won't find them on the art pages of
your local newspaper or in your publicly-funded state gallery or in the
list of arts grants winners. The establishment ignores these people in
preference for those who dribble and smear paint or who think of new ways
to staple computer motherboards to the backsides of cows and parade them
through your local shopping mall - probably with state funding to pay for
the exercise. They elevate mediocrity to the status of "great art" whilst
dismissing and disparaging anyone who can actually produce an acceptable
likeness of anything and whose works might actually enjoy a wide level of
public support.
In reality, today's art is not really about politcial expression or
externalising internal angst or anything even nearly that complex. It is
about shocking, annoying or even boring the general public (or specific
groups within it - except women of course because the art establishemnt
will generally consider women, as a group, to be powerless victims
unworthy of scorn or derision). The better you are at grabbing headlines,
the more likely you are to have your work glorified by some pratt whose
only real ability is to use the word "juxtaposition" in anything and
everything he writes.
--
Andy D.
You sound like an old fart who hasn't seen any modern art in a while and
doesn't like those damn "feminazis" or "librals" either.
I imagine that you probably ***** and complain about movies you've never seen
either, never wasting your money on an independent film or attending obscure
flicks at a film festival, just renting what you hear is good on DVD.
No apologies here, but I find that people like you who complain about the
current state of art or film are generally culturally sterile doofuses who
wouldn't know ***** from shinola.
www.pottymouth.org/humor/shinola.html
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| User: "Andrew D" |
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| Title: Re: Alas Poor lefty loonig |
18 Feb 2006 12:17:09 PM |
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In article <43f71139$0$31771$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.com>, "Nemesis"
<nemesis@sympatico.ca> wrote:
"Andrew D" <andyd@elsewhere.com> wrote
[snip]>
In reality, today's art is not really about politcial expression or
externalising internal angst or anything even nearly that complex. It is
about shocking, annoying or even boring the general public (or specific
groups within it - except women of course because the art establishemnt
will generally consider women, as a group, to be powerless victims
unworthy of scorn or derision). The better you are at grabbing headlines,
the more likely you are to have your work glorified by some pratt whose
only real ability is to use the word "juxtaposition" in anything and
everything he writes.
You sound like an old fart who hasn't seen any modern art in a while and
doesn't like those damn "feminazis" or "librals" either.
In that case you sound like a childish upstart who thinks that anything
new is "cool". Nya, nya nyaaah! Pthhhtppptthhhthh! And my Dad is bigger
than your Dad.
Sheesh!
I imagine that you probably ***** and complain about movies you've never seen
either, never wasting your money on an independent film or attending obscure
flicks at a film festival, just renting what you hear is good on DVD.
I don't complain about movies I've never seen, I don't watch small
independent movies, I've never rented a DVD in my life and rarely rented
videos (can't even remember when I last did that). I imagine you mumble
when you speak because that too is "cool". You probably greet your friends
wih "Yo" and damage public property with your skateboard because you
believe you have rights above and beyond anyone else's and this is why you
also think that anything that upsets or annoys other people must be great
art.
Just a suggestion if you want to fit in better with your peers though.
Stop using capital letters and punctuation in your posts. Leave that
nonsense to old-fart traditionalists who actually believe it helps improve
communication (mainly with other old-fart traditionalists).
No apologies here,
None expected. Never apologise for having an opinion, even if it's wrong.
but I find that people like you who complain about the
current state of art or film are generally culturally sterile doofuses who
wouldn't know ***** from shinola.
No, I'm just someone who produces and sells art. I'm not great or anything
but I know a little bit about it and how the establishment works. *****
will always be ***** but some ***** has a very good publicity machine behind
it and there are plenty of people willing to buy it, though few could ever
explain why.
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Andy D.
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| User: "RodneyK" |
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| Title: Re: Alas Poor lefty loonig |
18 Feb 2006 11:34:01 PM |
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Nemesis wrote:
"Andrew D" <andyd@elsewhere.com> wrote
I haven't really followed this but I'd like to suggest that the pursuit of
art itself didn't turn any major corners as such, just the art
establishment (universities, major galleries, critics). You'll still find
millions of artists who pursue the illustration of beauty through a vast
range of means and media. You just won't find them on the art pages of
your local newspaper or in your publicly-funded state gallery or in the
list of arts grants winners. The establishment ignores these people in
preference for those who dribble and smear paint or who think of new ways
to staple computer motherboards to the backsides of cows and parade them
through your local shopping mall - probably with state funding to pay for
the exercise. They elevate mediocrity to the status of "great art" whilst
dismissing and disparaging anyone who can actually produce an acceptable
likeness of anything and whose works might actually enjoy a wide level of
public support.
In reality, today's art is not really about politcial expression or
externalising internal angst or anything even nearly that complex. It is
about shocking, annoying or even boring the general public (or specific
groups within it - except women of course because the art establishemnt
will generally consider women, as a group, to be powerless victims
unworthy of scorn or derision). The better you are at grabbing headlines,
the more likely you are to have your work glorified by some pratt whose
only real ability is to use the word "juxtaposition" in anything and
everything he writes.
--
Andy D.
You sound like an old fart who hasn't seen any modern art in a while and
doesn't like those damn "feminazis" or "librals" either.
I imagine that you probably ***** and complain about movies you've never seen
either, never wasting your money on an independent film or attending obscure
flicks at a film festival, just renting what you hear is good on DVD.
No apologies here, but I find that people like you who complain about the
current state of art or film are generally culturally sterile doofuses who
wouldn't know ***** from shinola.
www.pottymouth.org/humor/shinola.html
Johnathen Swift wrote poems glorifying *****?
<www.pottymouth.org/humor/shinola.html>
Prove it!
RodneyK
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| User: "RodneyK" |
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| Title: Re: Alas Poor lefty loonig |
18 Feb 2006 07:55:38 AM |
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Stan Pierce wrote:
"RodneyK" <RodneyKShanley@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:dXxJf.10758$yK1.9272@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
(snipped)
Instead of representing the Christian ideal in unapologetic unambiguous terms,
artists (post WW1) represent the socialist ideal in the form of social
criticism of a culture that has now almost ceased to exist.
RodneyK
You are getting close to the bone here. Unusual to find someone capable of
analysing the present pathology outside the Marxian thesis.
The artistic expression post WW1 lost itself in self absorption. Self Analysis.
Freud started to get read..
The loss of Faith left the human mind searching for Meaning.
The trouble was at the time...and is still the problem , there are a limited
number of people in any society with artistic TALENT. The war killed so many,
and the talented went with them. Those with talent that survived wrote words
in books...which is a lesser talent than painting. And they were all of a
certain officer class...working class did not write books then even if they had
talent.
And here is the rub.
The mental angst that once found expression through Faith into Art , now,
because of the dearth of talent, became obsessively transferred into the
immediate societal problems...Politics.
The western world is now full of talentless men seeking Meaning for themselves
through political expression. Like the Greek society, once you lose that
confident spirit, faith in your Gods, and willpower, all the talents die.
Greeks are now talentless shopkeepers, but very political.
Wasn't it Napoleon who said of the British ....................
Then again Constable and Turner were of the Romantic school and very
popular with ex patriots.
Well, Stan, you don't offer a solution; an alternative to the end of
European civilization. It's for the children; who are constantly being
harangued and beaten down by this vile ideology of socialism.
RodneyK
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| User: "Andrew D" |
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| Title: Re: Alas Poor lefty loonig |
18 Feb 2006 12:20:25 PM |
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In article <uHFJf.11086$yK1.4433@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, RodneyK
<RodneyKShanley@bigpond.com> wrote:
[snip]
Well, Stan, you don't offer a solution; an alternative to the end of
European civilization. It's for the children; who are constantly being
harangued and beaten down by this vile ideology of socialism.
I see on tonight's news that young socialists are producing and selling
flag burning kits. How ironic that if they actually lived in a socialist
country they'd probably be shot for even thinking of doing that. Poor,
confused bastards.
--
Andy D.
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| User: "RodneyK" |
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18 Feb 2006 10:33:29 PM |
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Andrew D wrote:
In article <uHFJf.11086$yK1.4433@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, RodneyK
<RodneyKShanley@bigpond.com> wrote:
[snip]
Well, Stan, you don't offer a solution; an alternative to the end of
European civilization. It's for the children; who are constantly being
harangued and beaten down by this vile ideology of socialism.
I see on tonight's news that young socialists are producing and selling
flag burning kits. How ironic that if they actually lived in a socialist
country they'd probably be shot for even thinking of doing that. Poor,
confused bastards.
Yep, in the end, the very end, the agenda of western socialists is just
divorced from reality.
It must be recorded that this is the final triumph of the Soviets from
the cold war.
RodneyK
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