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User: "newzguys"
Date: 13 Nov 2005 10:33:52 PM
Object: Re: Anti-gay Federal Marriage Amendment On The Move
97 percent of the voters did not want blacks marrying whites, yet now
blacks can marry whites and most no longer care. Why didn't you
bigots call for a Constitutional Amendment to impose your bigotry
on the Constitution then? It is called tyranny of the majority. The
US Constitution demands that there be same sex marriages right
now. That is why those like you are calling for an Amendment to
null the 9th and 14th Amendments that demand equal protection
and due process of the law for the Fundamental right of marriage.
If the only marriage is one between a man and a woman who
does a XXY hermaprodite legally marry? Or are there just not
enough of them to justify upholding their fundamental rights?
.

User: "Dennis Kemmerer"

Title: Re: Anti-gay Federal Marriage Amendment On The Move 14 Nov 2005 04:48:54 PM
"newzguys" <newzguys@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1131942832.055718.30100@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

97 percent of the voters did not want blacks marrying whites, yet now
blacks can marry whites and most no longer care. Why didn't you
bigots call for a Constitutional Amendment to impose your bigotry
on the Constitution then?

Actually, they did try.
This is from the Congressional Record, 62nd Cong., 3rd sess., Dec. 11, 1912.
Vol 49, p. 502
'Mr. [Seaborn Anderson] RODDENBERY. [U.S. Representative from Georgia 2nd
District, 1910-13] The resolution to which I make reference is one already
introduced by me, providing for an amendment to the Constitution of the
United States, with the usual resolving clause, and the article is as
follows:
'That intermarriage between negroes or persons of color and Caucasians or
any other character of persons within the United States or any territory
under their jurisdiction, is forever prohibited; and the term "negro or
person of color," as here employed, shall be held to mean any and all
persons of African descent or having any trace of African or negro blood.'
[snip]
.
User: "newzguys"

Title: Re: Anti-gay Federal Marriage Amendment On The Move 15 Nov 2005 09:39:15 PM
Added to the file, it proves the point that bigots don't change they
just
change the group they hate. All you have to do is change the words
negro and whites to gays and the below reads just like what is said
today.
"If Negroes can marry whites we might have living in Tennessee the
father living with daughter, the son with the mother, the brother with
his sister, in lawful wedlock, because they had formed such relations
in a state or country where they were not prohibited. The Turk or the
Mohammedan, with his numerous wives, may establish his harem at
the doors of the capital, and we are without remedy. Yet none of
these are more revolting, more to be avoided, or more unnatural than
the case before us." Of Negroes marrying whites. (A Tennessee judge in
1872, ruling against a racially mixed couple who had moved to the
state.)
Sen. Byrd (D) on DOMA (Senate - September 09, 1996)
However, in no case, has anyone suggested that these
relationships deserve the special recognition or the designation
commonly understood as 'marriage .' The suggestion that
relationships between members of the same gender should ever
be accorded the status or the designation of marriage flies
in the face of the thousands of years of experience about the
societal stability that traditional marriage has afforded human
civilization. To insist that male-male or female-female
relationships must have the same status as the marriage
relationship is more than unwise, it is patently absurd.
Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1 (1967)
Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and
red, and he placed them on separate continents. And, but for
the interference with his arrangement, there would be no cause
for such marriage. The fact that he separated the races shows
that he did not intend for the races to mix.
.
User: "Obwon"

Title: Re: Anti-gay Federal Marriage Amendment On The Move 16 Nov 2005 01:09:08 PM
On 15 Nov 2005 19:39:15 -0800, "newzguys"
<newzguys@yahoo.com> wrote:

Added to the file, it proves the point that bigots don't change they
just
change the group they hate. All you have to do is change the words
negro and whites to gays and the below reads just like what is said
today.

"If Negroes can marry whites we might have living in Tennessee the
father living with daughter, the son with the mother, the brother with
his sister, in lawful wedlock, because they had formed such relations
in a state or country where they were not prohibited. The Turk or the
Mohammedan, with his numerous wives, may establish his harem at
the doors of the capital, and we are without remedy. Yet none of
these are more revolting, more to be avoided, or more unnatural than
the case before us." Of Negroes marrying whites. (A Tennessee judge in
1872, ruling against a racially mixed couple who had moved to the
state.)


Sen. Byrd (D) on DOMA (Senate - September 09, 1996)

However, in no case, has anyone suggested that these
relationships deserve the special recognition or the designation
commonly understood as 'marriage .' The suggestion that
relationships between members of the same gender should ever
be accorded the status or the designation of marriage flies
in the face of the thousands of years of experience about the
societal stability that traditional marriage has afforded human
civilization. To insist that male-male or female-female
relationships must have the same status as the marriage
relationship is more than unwise, it is patently absurd.

However, it is not unwise to suggest that U.S.
Citizens enjoy equal protection of law. Take that out
of the U.S. Constitution, sworn to uphold, and what
you get doesn't work because what remains allows
for special classes of citizens. Hardly the stuff that
freedom and liberty is made of, eh?
Of course, it is patently absurd to think that the
status of same sex marriage is going to change the
biological capabilities of the partners to equal that
of heterosexual couples... But that's not what's being
discussed! No one is suggesting that the laws be
changed so that men can give birth to children. So,
argument that addresses that aspect of the matter, is
actually quite irrelavent.
Obwon

Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1 (1967)
Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and
red, and he placed them on separate continents. And, but for
the interference with his arrangement, there would be no cause
for such marriage. The fact that he separated the races shows
that he did not intend for the races to mix.

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Liars share with those they deceive
the desire not to be deceived.
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User: ""

Title: Re: Anti-gay Federal Marriage Amendment On The Move 16 Nov 2005 08:23:20 PM
On 16-Nov-2005, Obwon <obllOob@att.net> wrote:

Of course, it is patently absurd to think that the
status of same sex marriage is going to change the
biological capabilities of the partners to equal that
of heterosexual couples... But that's not what's being
discussed!

I am so glad you said this, becasue at first I thought *you*
were trying to say it *was*!!
Susan
No one is suggesting that the laws be

changed so that men can give birth to children. So,
argument that addresses that aspect of the matter, is
actually quite irrelavent.

.
User: "Obwon"

Title: Re: Anti-gay Federal Marriage Amendment On The Move 17 Nov 2005 01:18:59 PM
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:23:20 GMT,

wrote:


On 16-Nov-2005, Obwon <obllOob@att.net> wrote:

Of course, it is patently absurd to think that the
status of same sex marriage is going to change the
biological capabilities of the partners to equal that
of heterosexual couples... But that's not what's being
discussed!


I am so glad you said this, becasue at first I thought *you*
were trying to say it *was*!!

Susan

No one is suggesting that the laws be

changed so that men can give birth to children. So,
argument that addresses that aspect of the matter, is
actually quite irrelavent.

It's a way of reframing complex argument to highlight
the different issues being mixed, by changing the way
the problem is stated. Much like is done when
manipulating mathematical equations to solve for the
various quantites presented.
Obwon
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Liars share with those they deceive
the desire not to be deceived.
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User: "Boy Toy"

Title: Re: Anti-gay Federal Marriage Amendment On The Move 13 Nov 2005 10:41:24 PM
On 13 Nov 2005 20:33:52 -0800, "newzguys" <newzguys@yahoo.com> wrote
in message <1131942832.055718.30100@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

97 percent of the voters did not want blacks marrying whites, yet now
blacks can marry whites and most no longer care. Why didn't you
bigots call for a Constitutional Amendment to impose your bigotry
on the Constitution then? It is called tyranny of the majority. The
US Constitution demands that there be same sex marriages right
now. That is why those like you are calling for an Amendment to
null the 9th and 14th Amendments that demand equal protection
and due process of the law for the Fundamental right of marriage.

If the only marriage is one between a man and a woman who
does a XXY hermaprodite legally marry? Or are there just not
enough of them to justify upholding their fundamental rights?

Don't worry. The next thing on their agenda will be a constitutional
amendment against mixed race marriage. Followed by an amendment to
outlaw all religions except baptists.
.
User: "Obwon"

Title: Re: Anti-gay Federal Marriage Amendment On The Move 14 Nov 2005 01:04:32 PM
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:41:24 GMT, Boy Toy
<BoyToy@Toyz4Boyz.com> wrote:

On 13 Nov 2005 20:33:52 -0800, "newzguys" <newzguys@yahoo.com> wrote
in message <1131942832.055718.30100@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

97 percent of the voters did not want blacks marrying whites, yet now
blacks can marry whites and most no longer care. Why didn't you
bigots call for a Constitutional Amendment to impose your bigotry
on the Constitution then? It is called tyranny of the majority. The
US Constitution demands that there be same sex marriages right
now. That is why those like you are calling for an Amendment to
null the 9th and 14th Amendments that demand equal protection
and due process of the law for the Fundamental right of marriage.

If the only marriage is one between a man and a woman who
does a XXY hermaprodite legally marry? Or are there just not
enough of them to justify upholding their fundamental rights?


Don't worry. The next thing on their agenda will be a constitutional
amendment against mixed race marriage. Followed by an amendment to
outlaw all religions except baptists.

UNLESS: Gays and Other races can ***** up with several
millions of dollars in "campaign" contributions, in
which case they'll scuttle these rightwing/christian
conservative bills with nary a twinge of consciencous,
you know, like they did to the anti gambling religious
right on the Indian Casinos. After the Indians ponied
up 82 million for the NeoCons Fearless leaders to divvy
up, they got Reed to call off the "dogs" and they went
to work to scuttle the anti gambling bills. Reed got
his cut, the fools who marched got shafted, while
Delay and Abramoff went to dinner at Signatures with
their man Blunt, hey, hey, hey!!!
It's call "LegisScam", voting for dollars, the good
ol' NeoCon christian way.
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