gringogirl wrote:
Everyone is saying Deportation wont work-
there arent enought buses and the illegals will riot.
remove incentives-and they will leave - everyone says
this idea is *****
if all the landlords were not allowed to rent to illegals - great -
but do you think they will give up income voluntarily?
who will moniter that?
employers- who is going to moniter all the employers in america - are
we going to jail all of them?
cause a recession etc?
There is no infrastructure in place and it would take years to get one
in place to remove incentives-
Deportation is actually short term pain long term gain.
it is not going to be easy or pretty no matter what path - so let us
not cave now
we know the government cant handle any situation competently - this
has been proven over and over again
BUS them the hell out of here - including the damed anchor babies
Go eat a nice rare-done steak and you'll probably be less BLOODTHIRSTY.
Verification and Attrition will work perfectly well. It will take
longer, and be a lot more quiet, than would a Nazi Death Camp scenario
of "round 'em all up and ship 'em all out right now".
From http://www.thomashardman.com/immigration-post.php
Immigration Reform Commonsense
Immigration Reform debates tend to be couched in rhetoric favoring the
extremes, and both sides tend to make absolutist claims.
One side of the debate declares that it is ridiculous to "felonize" at
least 12 million undocumented immigrants, as it would be impossible to
round them up and deport them all. Somehow an unspoken assumption has
crept into the discussion, the assumption that if a compromise
Immigration Reform bill strongly conforming to H.R. 4377 were signed
into law, we would see a massive ramp-up in the agencies of immigration
law-enforcement, resulting in a police state and destabilization and
either anarchy or tyranny as a result.
The other side of the debate rightly states, that a failure to take very
significant steps to curtail ongoing massive illegal immigration, can
only result in a collapse of Rule of Law, leading inevitably to anarchy
or tyranny.
As both sides state their theses, those are both true. Clearly it's time
to reconcile the extremes with a sensible and effective centrist approach.
Deportation of "felonized" illegal aliens need not be massive and it
need not require a massive mobilization of law-enforcement. A
two-pronged approach to a defense-in-depth strategy will mandate that
employers will accept, and will verify before employment, only documents
conformant to the Real ID Act passed last year. This is no more
Orwellian than the long-accepted practice of sending the names of new
employees to agencies guaranteeing child-support garnishment. This also
guarantees that no employer can claim they did not know they were hiring
an illegal alien. Violators can be easily and successfully prosecuted
both for hiring an illegal alien, or for failing to verify employee
documentation. This is Verification.
The second prong will be Attrition. Without overloading any
law-enforcement agencies, nor creating new ones, we can simply deport
every single illegal alien encountered in the course of normal
law-enforcement procedure. We don't need to take steps to hunt down
every last illegal alien, in the present day, police officers are forced
day after day to release known illegal aliens because ICE generally
can't spare the time or money to come and get them. Federal law already
mandated reimbursement of costs of incarceration to the States and local
governments; all that will happen is that illegal aliens, as
encountered, will be held until such time as they can be deported.
There's no need for some ridiculous massive round-up.
If illegal aliens cannot make money in the USA, they will not illegally
come here without the sort of motivation one expects from dedicated
terrorists. If illegal aliens already here find it impossible to work,
and further understand that they will be arrested and removed the first
time they have any contact with any agency of any level of government,
they will probably begin to make plans to leave the US as soon as possible.
Every candidate for every elected office in the USA needs to understand
that the average citizen perfectly well understands that Verification
and Attrition are commonsense and workable. The candidates also need to
understand that so long as they prate from one ridiculous extreme or the
other, they insult both the intelligence and the resolve of the American
citizens who alone can return them to office.
We, the People of the United States, demand that once and for all this
issue be resolved, with no giveaways, no handouts, no amnesty, and no
more risable double-talk that panders to the extremes and ignores the
truly vast center of mainstream American sentiment on this issue.
Incumbents, if you like your jobs, you will do as your constituents
demand: legislate Verification and Attrition, and do it with sufficent
votes to pre-emptively override a Presidential Veto.
--
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool
than to speak foolishness and remove all doubt.
--Aesop
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