Politics > Politics-USA > Re: British ***** Corp (BBC) Takes Hit from Israel for itsLies and Distortions
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"Susan Cohen" |
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09 Jul 2003 11:52:15 AM |
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Re: British ***** Corp (BBC) Takes Hit from Israel for itsLies and Distortions |
"Giora Drachsler" <giora@cc.huji.ac.il> wrote in message
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"Kel" <osterman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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There are plenty of anti-Semitics on this NG, and they make for some
very
nasty reading, but I am not one and I strongly object to the charge.
And I object to people who make up lies about Israel and only Israel, & then
pretend that they don't hate Jews.
I
would
like to see Israel as functioning member of the International community
as
envisioned by Hertzl, but it will never happen until Israel embraces
International Law.
Jew-haters only want Israel to "embrace the International Laws" that they
claim are extant, and/or against Israel. They don't, however, want UN
Resolutions or "International Law" to be anything but anti-Israel, & you
don't notice any of them arguing for *that*.
People who argue otherwise, like Susan and her
ridiculous
little (Israel good or bad) cabal, are actually doing Israel irreparable
damage.
People who dismiss those of us who point out inconvenient facts "ridiculous"
also prove themselves to be bigoted.
I never accused you of anti-Semitism, just your concepts and ideas are
very
departed from what I know, probably from bad sources of information
Uh-huh.
Susan
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| User: "Kel" |
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| Title: Re: British ***** Corp (BBC) Takes Hit from Israel for itsLies and Distortions |
10 Jul 2003 12:59:08 PM |
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@his.com> wrote in message
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"Giora Drachsler" <giora@cc.huji.ac.il> wrote in message
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"Kel" <osterman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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There are plenty of anti-Semitics on this NG, and they make for some
very
nasty reading, but I am not one and I strongly object to the charge.
And I object to people who make up lies about Israel and only Israel, &
then
pretend that they don't hate Jews.
My best friend is Jewish and I walk every morning in the park with her and
her daughter and dog. And I don't make up lies about Israel, nor do I single
Israel out alone for criticism. Try me on George Bush sometime......
I
would
like to see Israel as functioning member of the International
community
as
envisioned by Hertzl, but it will never happen until Israel embraces
International Law.
Jew-haters only want Israel to "embrace the International Laws" that they
claim are extant, and/or against Israel.
The term "Jew-hater" should be used sparingly and only when appropriate. I
get the feeling that you are the one who seems to be eaten up by hatred,
Susan. I have always remained reasonable to you, yet you name call and
sometimes, frankly, you rant.
They don't, however, want UN
Resolutions or "International Law" to be anything but anti-Israel, & you
don't notice any of them arguing for *that*.
I don't want any country to annexe or occupy another. This is not because
the country carrying out the action is Israel, it's because the action is
wrong. For Israel's sake as much as for the Palestinians.
People who argue otherwise, like Susan and her
ridiculous
little (Israel good or bad) cabal, are actually doing Israel
irreparable
damage.
People who dismiss those of us who point out inconvenient facts
"ridiculous"
also prove themselves to be bigoted.
Again, you talk nonsense. You are trying to say that all international law
is created specifically so that Israel should be punished. That notion is
beyond reason.
The simple fact is that you do not like international law as it stands, as
the country you love so much is in breach of it. There's no easy way out of
this after 35 years, but I truly hope Israel manages it. I'm not sure that
you do, Susan.
You would like, no doubt, to see the Palestinians crushed and for Israel to
hold onto the land that is causing so much pain to it's citizens through
terror and bombing. That's why I suspect people like you are actually very
bad friends for Israel, even though I accept that you think you are being
supportive. You are actually driven by a lot of hate and a lot of anger.
That's the last thing Israel needs right now.
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| User: "Kel" |
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| Title: Re: British ***** Corp (BBC) Takes Hit from Israel for itsLies and Distortions |
13 Jul 2003 02:40:57 AM |
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"Giora Drachsler" <giora@huji.ac.il> wrote in message
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"Kel" <osterman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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My best friend is Jewish and I walk every morning in the park with her
and
her daughter and dog. And I don't make up lies about Israel, nor do I
single
Israel out alone for criticism. Try me on George Bush sometime......
You are just a fraction of an inch from the statement:
"Among my best friends I have Jewish too"
I know, but how else do you phrase the statement? The truth is I do walk
every day with my best friend and she is Jewish.
I don't want any country to annexe or occupy another. This is not
because
the country carrying out the action is Israel, it's because the action
is
wrong. For Israel's sake as much as for the Palestinians.
There is no country laking the desire to expand,
Giora, that's simply not true. You are implying that all countries are
secretly trying to expand. Most of that nonsense ended when we all signed up
to the Geneva Convention and stopped the ability of empires to expand as it
had led to two world wars.
still, as Israel
moved back from Egypt , Jordan and Syria for an existential peace,
so would Israel do in the Palestinian case. You just can't demand
from Israel to fullfill the wildes dreams of the Arabs.
You would like, no doubt, to see the Palestinians crushed and for Israel
to
hold onto the land that is causing so much pain to it's citizens through
terror and bombing. That's why I suspect people like you are actually
very
bad friends for Israel, even though I accept that you think you are
being
supportive. You are actually driven by a lot of hate and a lot of anger.
That's the last thing Israel needs right now.
Small wander, after 1000 days of bloody terror. Try not to forget that
the last terror wave begun as a strategic move to improve the PA's
position in the negotiation table
I know you are coming from an honourable position and maybe you are right.
Maybe this is why Susan comes across as a person filled with so much hate.
But you are actually living in Jerusalem and have managed to maintain a
position that allows us hope that the situation can be resolved. Susan has
not, and that was my point.
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| User: "Kel" |
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| Title: Re: British ***** Corp (BBC) Takes Hit from Israel for itsLies and Distortions |
15 Jul 2003 04:57:19 AM |
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@his.com> wrote in message
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"Giora Drachsler" <giora@cc.huji.ac.il> wrote in message
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"Kel" <osterman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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Small wander, after 1000 days of bloody terror. Try not to forget
that
the last terror wave begun as a strategic move to improve the PA's
position in the negotiation table
I know you are coming from an honourable position and maybe you are
right.
Maybe this is why Susan comes across as a person filled with so much
hate.
Maybe this is so to Kel & his ilk because they're snivelling little liars.
But you are actually living in Jerusalem and have managed to maintain
a
position that allows us hope that the situation can be resolved. Susan
has
not, and that was my point.
From your mouth to God's ears.
Just because I see where the PA has violated the Roadmap *already*, &
because I predicted doesn't mean that I don't see a resolution to the
problem. It's just not one that Kel likes. Indeed, it's not one I like,
either, but I dislike it because I'm a humanitarian. Kel doesn't like it
because it involved Jews not getting killed.
Again, you refuse to argue with me directly, you make more vague hints that
I might be anti-Semitic, and you hint at some resolution without ever
stating what your preferred resolution to this would be.
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: British ***** Corp (BBC) Takes Hit from Israel for itsLies and Distortions |
12 Jul 2003 10:10:46 PM |
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"Giora Drachsler" <giora@huji.ac.il> wrote in message
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"Kel" <osterman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:HPhPa.364$xi5.135@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
My best friend is Jewish and I walk every morning in the park with her
and
her daughter and dog. And I don't make up lies about Israel, nor do I
single
Israel out alone for criticism. Try me on George Bush sometime......
You are just a fraction of an inch from the statement:
"Among my best friends I have Jewish too"
Try him on *why* he complains about George Bush.
Uh-huh....
[snip rest of his crap]
Susan
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