"Stan Pierce" <ecreipt@bigpond.net.au> wrote in
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 03:01:51 GMT, "Stan Pierce"
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:30:45 GMT, Claire
<claire.easthope@ntlworld.com> wrote:
I think Atheism is an extreme view to take. Most people are not
Athiests.
You think wrong because it's no different than not believing in
Santa Claus - in spite of what too many arrogantly rude theists
tell us.
Arrogance and rudeness never built a Norman cathedral. Nor composed
and sang Gregorian Chant to uplift the spirit. Nor painted a Sistine
Chapel. Nor spurred Mozart to write the most beautiful sounds ever
created. Only a spiritual belief induces such wonder.
Or witch hunts, inquisitions, slavery, civil war, homophobia, denying
equal rights, enforced ignorance, in attempting to suppress science.
Religious wars, how many people starved while those monstrously ugly
building were built, as homes for child raping priest? How much time
has been spent by religion fighting popular music, which a hell of a
lot more people enjoy. Remember when preacher were preaching against
rock & roll?
How about the censorship, which the church at one time had the power
to enforce, and is still trying to impose?
And still, out of that dark age of repression came the spirit and
wonder of intellectual persistence that brought you electricity, clean
water, antibiotics and x-ray machines and your computer.
Yes. These things came about thanks to the loss of political power of
the christian church, partly due to its' fragmentation into a myriad of
sects.
Klazmon.
No it did not.
Sure it did. Due to the loss of power of the church. Thinkers such as
Gallileo and Bruno were tempted to espouse ideas that openly opposed church
dogma. Bruno in particular overstepped the mark for himself but it was too
late for the church, the floodgates had openned and the church was forced
to grudgingly change to accommodate the new natural philosophy especially
since they couldn't do anything about the thinkers resident in protestant
countries (even though some of the protestant sects were not slow on
attempting a bit of suppression themselves).
You need to study History in more depth. Scientific
thought kept alongside Christian belief. Newton was Christian.
Newton was generally considered to be a devotee of the Arian hersesy i.e
that Christ was not equal to but derivative from the the father. He
basically didn't accept that scripture indicated the trinity. In other
words a heretic as far as most Christian cults of the time would be
concerned. If he had lived in a catholic country, he would probably have
been burned at the stake, even in England he would have been in trouble if
he had openly espoused the views that appear in his religious writings.
Mind you he was also an alchemist and believed in all sorts of occult
stuff. He was also a curmudgeon and would have been a thundering bore at
dinner parties ;-).
In
fact most scientists * were* Christians.
In fact *all* people in Europe were either officially christians of some
sort or jews. There was no other choice in those days, no matter what
private beliefs you had. It wasn't until the christian cults power over the
local goverments had waned to the point where philosophers could openly
express their views without fear of reprisal that people could openly say
what they really thought.
Klazmon.
<SNIP>
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