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23 Jun 2005 06:19:37 PM |
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Re: Durbin Apologizes on Senate Floor for Nazis, Soviet Gulags Remark |
--
The Democrats, in their desperate search for an alchemist who can turn
Iraq into Vietnam, stumble into one soft cowpie after another.
"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message
news:d9fd3l$fpd$1@panix5.panix.com...
In article <1119564087.567780.185790@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
<bvallely@aol.com> wrote:
Because the media generated thousands of stories about American women
making hundreds of Arab men wear panties on their head, but virtually
ignored the finding of mass graves which contained the bodies of
hundreds of THOUSANDS of children and women.
Via the Chief Executive we Americans are answerable for the actions of
our troops. We can't choose our enemies or control their actions. We
can choose our leaders, and fire them if they lie to us. >>>
Agreed. And Dickie Durbin lied when he said the American's soliders
treatments of terrorists at Gizmo was "comparable" to the Nazis. We're
not talking about trusting intelligence that went sour, or a difference
of opinion. We're talking about a flat-out lie.
Durbin's words. He is quoting an FBI agent's eye-witness
account of something in Gitmo and said it
Or so Democrat Durbin CLAIMED.....
Notice how Democrat Durbin did not, repeat NOT, enter any testimony of ANY
actual FBI agent into the Senate record, Mr. Eternally Hopeful Democrat?
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| User: "Topaz" |
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| Title: Re: Re: Durbin Apologizes on Senate Floor for Nazis, Soviet Gulags Remark |
24 Jun 2005 08:15:17 PM |
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By Dr. William Pierce
"Last week I gave an interview to an English-language radio station in
Teheran. The program was "The Islamic Voice of Iran." We talked about
a
number of things, including Ariel Sharon's visit to the White House,
which was taking place at the time, and about President Bush's
popularity ratings. The Iranian interviewer asked me whether Bush
would
take a more sensible, pro-American policy in the Middle East or would
continue taking orders from Israel, to the detriment of American
interests, the way the Clinton administration had.
Of course, I explained to him that there was really no difference
between Republicans and Democrats in that regard. They both dance to
whatever tune the Jews are playing at the moment, and that George Bush
would no more dare to disobey the Jews than Bill Clinton would. I told
the Iranian interviewer that there are minor differences between the
Republican Party and the Democratic Party, with the Democrats
pandering
a bit more to the welfare class and the Republicans paying a bit more
lip service to things such as military preparedness and energy
production, but that on the really essential issues -- immigration,
racial policy, media control, foreign policy -- both parties do what
they're told and don't give the Jews any back talk.
The Iranian had a hard time understanding this. If one party -- the
Democrats, say -- were controlled by Jews and supported Jewish
interests, then surely there would be another party -- presumably the
Republicans -- representing the interests of the American people. He
couldn't understand how the Jews, making up only 2.5 per cent of the
U.S. population, could have the whole political process under their
control and in particular could dictate U.S. foreign policy in the
Middle East, regardless of who is in the White House and which party
controls the Congress. What about the other 97.5 per cent of the
population? They also have interests, and they can vote. Why aren't
their interests supported by some political party?
The difficulty my Iranian interviewer had in understanding how
politics
works in America has two facets. One of these is the dominant
influence
the mass media of news and entertainment, which are largely in the
hands
of the country's very small Jewish minority, have on public opinion
and
attitudes, on the mass culture, and on the political process. In Iran
tradition is much more important in determining public opinion. And
Iran
is a much more homogeneous country, at least in a cultural and
religious
sense, than is the United States. In America the media have to a large
extent weaned the people away from their traditions and from their
cultural and religious roots and substituted a made-in-Hollywood
trash-culture with ersatz traditions in their place. The media are
increasingly important in influencing public opinion everywhere in the
developed countries -- even in Iran, no doubt -- but nowhere has the
process been as thorough and as destructive as it has been in the
United
States.
A second barrier to understanding is the subtlety and indirection
which
is used by the media bosses in achieving their aims. They almost never
make a head-on attack against the traditions or values of the host
population. They look for conflict, for inconsistency, for vice or
hypocrisy or weakness, and they exploit it to gain a foothold. Then
they
use one facet of popular belief or tradition to undermine another. For
example, they will proclaim themselves champions of "fair play," and
then they will persuade the public that fair play requires that no
distinction be made between Asians and Europeans in setting
immigration
policy. If we let Englishmen and Germans and Swedes into America, then
it wouldn't be fair to keep out Vietnamese and Chinese and Pakistanis,
they tell us.
Or they will play on the average American's resentment of governmental
interference in his private affairs to promote the idea that
homosexuality is just as normal as heterosexuality and that neither
the
government nor individuals should make a distinction between the two.
What people do in the privacy of their bedrooms is no one else's
business, therefore the government should require landlords,
employers,
Boy Scout troops, and everyone else to treat homosexuals just like
heterosexuals: a bit of a non sequitur, but the media have been
remarkably successful at using such illogical arguments to shift
public
opinion on a number of issues.
And because the media are able to influence public opinion so
strongly,
all the politicians, Republicans as well as Democrats, dance to their
tune. The politicians understand that the tiny Jewish minority, only
2.5
per cent of the population, through their control of the media are the
single most important influence on the public's perception of issues,
of
government policies, and of the politicians themselves -- and
consequently are the single most important influence on the outcome of
elections. And it is for this reason that everyone can safely count on
George Bush's policy toward Israel being whatever the Jews want it to
be.
Anyway, although I explained this as clearly as I could to my Iranian
interrogator, I think he didn't really believe me. He was ready to
accept the fact that the Jews are a very bad influence on American
policy in the Middle East, but he couldn't accept the fact that
through
their control of the mass media of news and entertainment they have
made
irrelevant and meaningless the whole idea of mass democracy. He
couldn't
assimilate the idea that party politics in America has become just a
shell game to keep the rubes confused about what's really happening
and
who's running the country. He knew that Jews are bad news, but he
couldn't grasp the fact that the most powerful country in the world,
economically and militarily, is so totally in their malign grip.
And really, when I try to put myself in the Iranian's shoes, it's hard
for me to believe it myself: a mere 2.5 per cent of the population, a
historically despised and hated group who have been kicked out of
every
country in Europe, and there's not a single mainstream American
politician brave enough to defy them; a tiny, clannish group who have
a
stranglehold on the mighty American nation; a case of the tail wagging
the dog. How do they do it? It doesn't seem possible.
Well, of course, it is possible, and I'll tell you how they do it:
they
do it with images and myths. They do it by controlling the perceptions
that most people have of the world around themselves. The Jews create
myths about what the world is like and then generate false images to
match the myths. And they project these myths and false images of the
world into the minds of their hosts.
I'll give you a specific example of this. There is a new film out by
Universal Pictures. It's called The Fast and the Furious. It's a film
directed at White teenagers, a film designed to give them a particular
image of the world and instill in them a myth about the way the world
works. It's a film about modern, urban teenagers -- specifically
street
gangs in Los Angeles -- and cars and street racing. That might seem
harmless enough, but the street racing is just a gimmick on which to
hang the message, and that message is that the world is multicultural,
and it's good that it's multicultural. It's good not to live in a
White
world, with White friends and White role models and White values and
White standards and traditions. That's boring. That's not cool.
The message is that there's nothing special about being White. The
message is that if one is White, then one should hang out with Blacks
and Asians and mestizos. One should behave like non-Whites, talk like
them, dress like them, be like them. That's what's cool. That's what's
sexy. That's what everybody who's really cool is doing. And when you
feel like having some sex, you just reach for whoever is nearest. It
doesn't matter at all what race the other person is. If you're a White
girl, it's especially cool to have sex with a Black or Asian or
mestizo
male.
That's the most obvious message of the film, but actually it's more
than
that. It's not really that the film says race doesn't matter, that
we're
really all the same; that culture doesn't matter, that all cultures
are
equivalent. The film says that Whites should become non-White, because
non-White is better. The cultural milieu of the film is not raceless
or
a little of this and a little of that. The cultural milieu is Black.
The
culture is hip-hop. The music is hip-hop. The clothing style, with the
baggy shorts and the rest, is hip-hop. It's Black. That is the world
into which White teenagers should blend, the world to which they
should
subordinate themselves.
Surely, White teenagers aren't actually absorbing that message. Are
they? Yes, unfortunately, many of them are. The Fast and the Furious
is
drawing bigger crowds than any other film produced by Hollywood this
season. It grossed $78 million in its first ten days. White teenagers
are flocking to it more than to any other movie. The attraction, of
course, is the action, the street racing, the exciting car stunts.
That's the gimmick that pulls them in. But that's not the message. The
message -- which of course, is subliminal: that is, which is intended
to
change the kids' perception of the world at a subconscious level -- is
exactly what I just described: it's cool to be part of the hip-hop
culture; it's cool to be multicultural; it's cool not to act White,
think White, or be White.
That's the message, and it's a Jewish message: Jewish in its
conception,
Jewish in its promotion, Jewish in its genocidal intent.
You think I'm imagining things? I'll read to you from a story about
the
film in last Saturday's edition of the Los Angeles Times. I quote:
"Hollywood was stunned when the youth-oriented action film The Fast
and
the Furious streaked past the competition to become the number-one
movie
.. . . With its relatively unknown cast of Latinos, Asians, and
African-Americans, heavy doses of high-speed chases, and a driving
hip-hop soundtrack, the movie defied expectations . . . . But the
teen-oriented movie's success isn't so surprising when one glimpses
the
youthful crowds flocking to theaters . . . . With their ultra-baggy
cargo shorts, doo-rags wrapped around their heads, and bodies
festooned
with tattoos and piercings, the look of these young moviegoers mirrors
the multiethnic melange of actors on the screen. . . .
"Hollywood likes to pride itself on being ahead of the cultural curve,
but with last summer's sassy white-versus-black cheerleading comedy
Bring It On grossing $68.4 million domestically and this winter's Save
the Last Dance, with its once-taboo interracial dating, raking in more
than $90 million in North America alone, the studios have only begun
to
catch up with the colorblind nature of today's MTV generation.
"Rob Cohen, who directed The Fast and the Furious, said the film not
only reflects today's "multiculti" youth culture without purposely
drawing attention to it, but depicts what is really going on. When the
movie opened, it drew a cross-section of races, Cohen said. Surveys
taken at theaters where The Fast and the Furious played showed that 50
per cent of moviegoers were white, 24 per cent were Hispanic, 10 per
cent were black, and 11 per cent were Asian. "I look at this and go,
'This is exactly what I'm talking about,'" Cohen said. . . .
Attracting
a young audience across the country -- a mainstay of big summer
popcorn
hits -- The Fast and the Furious has grossed an estimated $78 million
in
less than two weeks and is on track to make well over $100 million."
--
end of quote --
I want to emphasize a couple of things in what I just read to you,
besides the fact that the director of the film is the Jew Rob Cohen
and
the studio is Universal Pictures, owned by the Jew Edgar Bronfman.
First, note that Mr. Cohen is very much aware of the racial angle in
his
film. That's all he talks about, not the racing stunts. And note that
he
says he put the racial propaganda into his film in way that would not
"draw attention to it": that is, he put it in as subliminal
propaganda.
One other thing: the story in the Los Angeles Times implies that this
film and other films like it are imitating society, not the other way
around. But that's not true. These Jewish films are propaganda
deliberately designed to move society in the direction the Jews want
it
to go. White kids didn't start wearing baggy shorts and backward
baseball caps and listening to rap music and using jive talk just
because that's what young Blacks were doing: it was Jewish films and
Jewish television and Jewish advertising that pushed them in this
direction, that persuaded them it is cool to imitate Blacks.
The Times story refers to the studios catching up with "today's MTV
generation." But really, how did it become the "MTV generation"? That
name is appropriate just because it is MTV which has been the single
largest influence on White teenagers in moving them away from their
roots in their own race and making rootless cosmopolitans out of them.
MTV has been the foremost promoter of the hip-hop lifestyle among
young
Whites. And I hardly need to remind you that it is the very Jewish
Sumner Redstone, originally known as Murray Rothstein to his parents,
who owns MTV. Redstone's MTV and his Paramount Pictures studio may be
a
little ahead of the other Hollywood studios, but they're all pushing
in
the same direction as hard as they can.
This is an essential point: namely, that the Jewish media are pushing
our society, and not the other way around, and the Jews are
understandably reluctant to admit that. Last Saturday's Los Angeles
Times story interviewed another Jewish film producer in this regard,
and
I quote from the story: "Marc Abraham, one of the producers of Bring
It
On, noted: 'There is a much more interracial aspect in today's culture
than the way this country used to be. Any movie that reflects that --
and it doesn't mean they'll all be hits like The Fast and the Furious
--
will ring true with the audience.'" -- end of quote --
As I indicated, that is deliberate misdirection. And there's more
misdirection in the Times story. It also interviews the Black director
of Sumner Redstone's racemixing film Save the Last Dance, and I quote:
"'The movie business is certainly catching up with what's happening in
society,' said Thomas Carter, who directed Save the Last Dance. 'Youth
culture has been shifting a long time . . . . Places like MTV are
right
on the edge and totally involved in the change. In filmmaking we lag
behind.'" -- end of quote -- But of course, Redstone's MTV, which as
Carter notes is "totally involved in the change," is into filmmaking
too. Anyway, it's really an artificial distinction to contrast Jewish
television with Jewish cinema. Redsone isn't the only Jewish media
boss
who is deeply involved in both media.
One of Bronfman's subordinates, the Jew Marc Shmuger, says it a little
more plainly, and again I quote from last Saturday's Los Angeles Times
story: "'I think the segregated groupings are breaking down in today's
America, and I think today's movie audience is a complex mix,' said
Marc
Shmuger, vice chairman of Universal Pictures, which released The Fast
and the Furious. But Shmuger warned that if the movie industry starts
making multiethnic movies 'in a calculating and cynical fashion,' the
audience will sense that and stay away." -- end of quote -- In other
words, keep the propaganda subtle, keep it subliminal, so that we
don't
tip off the goyim that it's really propaganda.
I'll read one more section from the Los Angeles Times story. I quote:
"Just as The Fast and the Furious shows young people of all races
gathered in large groups unmindful of their racial differences and not
hung up on sex, Gary Scott Thompson, one of the film's writers, said
today's young movie audiences also are that way. 'It used to be that a
boy and a girl would go on a date,' he said. 'Now what's happening is
groups of kids who are friends -- multiracial boys and girls -- all
move
in date packs together. It's like a date, but they don't consider it
dating. Some of them might neck; some of them might not. None of them
think anything much about it. They are much more open when talking
about
sex . . . . They've broken down the cultural barriers.' . . . Rob
Friedman, vice chairman of Paramount Pictures Motion Picture Group,
said
the studio began noticing the colorblind nature of young audiences
with
its 1999 high school pigskin drama Varsity Blues. 'It's really about
their peers, regardless of race, and to a certain extent gender as
well,' Friedman said. 'When it came to Save the Last Dance, it became
more and more apparent young people don't care whether the
relationship
is interracial. The music is great, the story is great.'" -- end of
quote --
As I've already mentioned, Paramount Pictures belongs to Sumner
Redstone, and I hardly need to tell you that his employee Rob Friedman
is a Jew, like nearly all the other executives at Paramount Pictures.
This new development of White teenagers running in "date packs," as
the
scriptwriter put it, with Blacks, Asians, and mestizos and having very
casual and very interracial sex did not evolve spontaneously, as the
media bosses and their employees would have us believe. It has been
promoted deliberately by Hollywood and by television and by Madison
Avenue. Sumner Redstone's MTV may be a bit bolder in this regard than
the other Jewish media, but all of them have been working together for
decades toward the same goal, and that goal is the annihilation of our
people. They say, "Oh, we're just reflecting with our films and our TV
shows and our magazine ads what your society has become all by
itself,"
but that is a conscious, calculated lie. They know exactly what they
have done and are doing, and one can easily sense them gloating over
it
when one reads their remarks in the Los Angeles Times.
I've said this a thousand times already in different words, but when
we
permitted the Jews to come into our society and take over our mass
media
of news and entertainment -- our newspapers and our radio broadcasting
networks and our motion picture and advertising industries and then
television broadcasting -- we handed them the weapons with which they
intended from the beginning to destroy us and now are destroying us.
This program of theirs to corrupt and destroy us didn't begin with the
Second World War and the so-called "Holocaust." It is a consequence of
their nature. The "Holocaust" was not the cause of their destructive
behavior, but rather a consequence.
If you believe that I am hallucinating when I say that, see for
yourself
what Jews such as Edgar Bronfman and Sumner Redstone are producing for
the entertainment of our children, and you try to explain it in any
other way. I know that the majority of our own people, lemmings that
they are, are dancing to the Jews' tune now, along with the
politicians.
That is a shame, but it in no way excuses us from our task. Many of
those who have become blinded by the Jews and have become
collaborators
of the Jews will unavoidably become "collateral damage" in the
struggle
and the chaos which lie ahead, but we must do whatever is necessary to
free our people from the spell cast over them by the Jews. To that
task
I have consecrated my life, and I invite each of you to do likewise.
www.spearhead-uk.com http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.RealNews247.com
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| User: "Al Dykes" |
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| Title: Re: Durbin Apologizes on Senate Floor for Nazis, Soviet Gulags Remark |
23 Jun 2005 06:41:56 PM |
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In article <dsHue.11640$eM6.10595@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Native American <NativeAmerican@earthlink.net> wrote:
--
The Democrats, in their desperate search for an alchemist who can turn
Iraq into Vietnam, stumble into one soft cowpie after another.
"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message
news:d9fd3l$fpd$1@panix5.panix.com...
In article <1119564087.567780.185790@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
<bvallely@aol.com> wrote:
Because the media generated thousands of stories about American women
making hundreds of Arab men wear panties on their head, but virtually
ignored the finding of mass graves which contained the bodies of
hundreds of THOUSANDS of children and women.
Via the Chief Executive we Americans are answerable for the actions of
our troops. We can't choose our enemies or control their actions. We
can choose our leaders, and fire them if they lie to us. >>>
Agreed. And Dickie Durbin lied when he said the American's soliders
treatments of terrorists at Gizmo was "comparable" to the Nazis. We're
not talking about trusting intelligence that went sour, or a difference
of opinion. We're talking about a flat-out lie.
Durbin's words. He is quoting an FBI agent's eye-witness
account of something in Gitmo and said it
Or so Democrat Durbin CLAIMED.....
Notice how Democrat Durbin did not, repeat NOT, enter any testimony of ANY
actual FBI agent into the Senate record, Mr. Eternally Hopeful Democrat?
FBI Docs have been released. Note references to in FBI memos to
juveniles in captivity.
released by the government 11/8/04 and 11/23/04)
to (released by the ACLU 12/07/04,
Record
Date of
Record
M/D/Y
Date
Released
M/D/Y
Agency
Record Description
Info memo from L.E. Jacoby, Vice Admiral, USN, Director, DIA to
Under-Secretary of Defense for Intelligence r e 6/25/04 11/8/04 DIA
Incident date: 5/11/04 DIA personnel observed prisoners arriving at
the Temporary Detention Facility with burn marks on their backs. Some
had bruises and complained of kidney pain. One interrogator/debriefer
witnessed TF 62-6 officers punch a prisoner in the face to the point
where the prisoner needed medical attention. TF 62-6 personnel did not
record treatment. Debriefer ordered to leave room. One DIA debriefer
took pictures of the injuries, showed to TF 62-6 supervisor, who
confiscated them. TF 62-6 personnel have done the following to DIA
interrogators/debriefers: threatened them, confined them to the
compound, ordered them not to talk to anyone in the US and informed
them that their emails are being screened.
Memorandum for Record from DIA intelligence officer [name redacted] to
[redacted] re Report of Violations of the Geneva Conventions and the
International Laws of Land Warfare 6/10/04 11/8/04 DIA Detainee abuse
in violation of Geneva Conventions during TF 6-26 operations in
Baghdad: 1. (5/11/04) Four or five non-interrogator personnel from the
Task Force entered room during initial post-capture interrogation,
slapped detainee. Senior NCO asked all interrogators to leave the
room. Subsequent events unknown. 2. Detainee reported that he had bee
n during initial interrogation at the place of his capture in
Baghdad. Matter was reported by DIA handling officer in internal TF
contract report.Violation of GCs re detention of non-combatants:
3. (5/9/04) Detention of wife of suspect during a raid of a
house. Pre-operation TF Brief recommended that the wife be detained
and held in order to leverage the primary target's surrender. Author
objected to detainment on grounds that he determined that she could
provide no actionable intelligence leading to the arrest of her
husband. Author reported incident HUMINT, who reported to TF HQ. Woman
was released two days later. Recommendation re tactical interrogation
reports nee treatment policies. Also includes recommendation dated
7/9/04 re filing of reprimand.
Message from US Ambassador to Pakistan, Wendy Chamberlin, to Secy of
State Powell and A/s Rocca, NSC (Rice and Hadley) and Secy of Defense
Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz re Visit to Qandahar 1/17/02 11/23/04 DOS
Description of Visit to Qandahar detention facility, notes tha t
mostly between 20-30 years of age ;
Memo to Deputy Secy from PM-Gregory M. Suchan, Acting, re:
Nationalities at Bagram. 1/22/02 11/23/04 DOS Provides breakdown by
nationality of 27 Bagram detainees; states tha t Contains message from
Richard Armitage, Deputy Secy of State on memo askin g List of
Detainees is redacted, but another list provides physical condition,
current location, date of capture, location of capture (three
detainees are listed as being in poor condition) and capture unit (eg
Northern Alliance, Pakistan Army, ISID and US forces).
Telegram to Secy of State Powell from US Mission in Geneva re Letter
from Special Rapporteur on Torture To Ambassador Bremmer [sic]
regarding four men being held in Basra, Iraq 3/24/04 11/23/04 DOS
Informs Secy of State that the US Mission has received a letter dated
March 12, 2004 from Theo van Boven, Special Rapporteur on Torture, and
encloses text of letter from him. The letter states that several
people have been held incommunicado and tortured in Basra (describes
methods), and asks Powell to clarify the circumstances; the letter
also requests information from US govt concerning steps taken by
authorities in compliance with human rights provisions prohibiting
detainee abuse.
Message to Secy of State, various US embassies, NSC, DIA, CIA, Joint
Staff, CJCS, COM CJTF-180 Bagram, Defense Secy, USINCCENT MACDILL
04/03 11/23/04 DOS Report (based on April 17 site visit by
Mazar-e-Sharif Poloff) on detainee treatment at Shiberghan prison ,
Notes that in January 2002 the prison population rose to 3478 and
local forces requested assistance from the ICRC for care of prisoners;
as of April 2003, most of the 1088 prisoners had been in confinement
for one and a half years; that the health of the prisoners had
improved dramatically in the past year; based on a walk-through of the
central courtyard, and 13 randomly selected interviews of prisoners,
Poloff did not observe outward signs of physical mistreatment of the
prisoners; following a Jan 2002 visit from Physicians for Human Rights
to this prison and a report documenting the poor conditions there,
human rights and press reporting have continued to cite the report
that is now over a year old and out of date.
Letter from Pierre Prosper to Yvan Peeters responding to her letter of
Oct 12 to Secy Powell re treatment of juveniles at Guantanamo 12/12/03
11/23/04 DOS Notes tha t
Letter from Pierre Prosper to Tausif Paracha responding to his letter
to Powell related to a detainee held under US control at an airbase in
Afghanistan 2/23/04 11/23/04 DOS Assures Paracha that Pres. Bush as
affirmed that detainees will be treated humanely, that ICRC routinely
visits detainees individually and privately, that torture is unlawful
and allegations of torture will be thoroughly investigated.
Letter from Tausif Paracha to Powell about the detention of his uncle
by the US beginning July 5 2003 11/3/03 11/23/04 DOS Partially
redacted. Letter says tha t ; of the US being involved i n; that his
family was begging the US govt to let them know that his uncle was
just alive, and they refused to comment w about report in mid-Feb,
were told that DOD officials were generally aware of allegations. Secy
of Defense informed President that DOD was investigating
allegations. NSC received copy of report from DOS mission in Geneva in
early March, told ICRC didn't want to give report to Washington
because working with US officials in Iraq. This was reason for not
disseminating to Congress. 06/01 hor assumes this means supporting
interrogation strategie s Gen Miller was against rapport-building
approach. Refers recipient to BAU EC and EC written by Miami Division
as a
Emails from [redacted] to T.J. Harrington, copied to others at FBI, re
instructions to GTMO interrogators 5/10/04 11/23/04 FBI Mentions
disagreements between the DOD and the FBI on how to handle
interrogations, including FBI advising DOD re techniques that were
ineffective in producing reliable intelligence. Example of DOD
pursuing their methods to expeditiousl y FBI told DOD their methods
didn't get more info that FBI's simple interrogation techniques. Notes
BAU wrote EC explaining FBI vs DOD methods of interrogation.
Email from [redacted] to [redacted] re Detainee Abuse Claims 5/5/04
11/23/04 FBI Mention of FBI's disapproval of DOD's outline of accepted
interrogation techniques.
Email [parties redacted] re BAU workshop Interviewing Extremists
10/30/03 11/23/04 FBI Information provided to participants in BAU
workshop that brings together personnel with background interviewing
extremists. Includes FBI, JTTF, DOD, and other intelligence personnel.
FBI memo to Counterterrorism and Counterintelligence in various US
cities re Interview and Interrogation of Extremists Working Group,
National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime, and Behavioral
Analysis Unit (forwarded to Frankie Battle with request that he
attend) 10/21/03 11/23/04 FBI Workshop that brings together personnel
with background in terrorist investigations. Object is to incorporate
product of Nov 2003 meeting into a practical guide for personnel
involved in conducting interviews both in the field and in controlled
environments such as GTMO. Focus on how the FBI can better elicit
information from those involved in terrorist activities.
Email [parties redacted] re GTMO 7/31 11/23/04 FBI Mentions DHS having
a negative impact on what FBI is trying to accomplish at GTMO.
Email [parties redacted] re survived the first week 6/20/03 11/23/04
FBI Observations after first week at GTMO. Notes differences between
interviewees as well as interview styles; and tha t Email [parties
redacted] noting that sender is forwarding this EC up the chain of
command 12/5/03 11/23/04 FBI EC being forwarded up the chain of
command. Notes that FBI's Military Liason and Detainee Unit, (MLDU )
Mentions the FBI being unaware of new interrogation techniques being
used by the DOD. Email [parties redacted] re GTMO matters 12/16/02
11/23/04 FBI Notes ,
Interview of a detainee at Camp Delta, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba 11/25/02
11/23/04 FBI Detainee talks about punishment at Guantanamo, "reward"
system and classification of detainees based on behavior. Describes
spending time in an isolation unit. Discusses suggestions made and
questions asked by interrogator.
Email (parties redacted) re Gitmo 11/23/04 FBI Behavioral Analysis
Advisor writes he was aware of extreme interrogation techniques that
were planned and implemented against certain detainees. The events
were summarized in memos and in an EC written by the author of the
email and his colleagues between Oct. and May of 2002.
Memo to Counterterrorism, NY, from Counterterrorism, Bagram,
Afghanistan re [redacted] (interview of detainee at Bagram) 2/29/04
11/23/04 FBI Heavily redacted documentation of detainee interview at
Bagram Air Field, Afghanistan. Detainee mentions that he is only
allowed to use the bathroom every 6 hours, which hinders his water
intake, requests to be moved back t o
Memo to Counterterrorism from Counterterrorism, Bagram, Afghanistan re
GTMO Task Force, Bagram 2/28/04 11/23/04 FBI Report results of
interview conducted of detainee at Bagram Control Point, Bagram,
Afghanistan. Detainee stated that no one is allowed to speak inside
BCP.
Memo to Counterterrorism from Counterterrorism, Bagram, Afghanistan re
GTMO Task Force, Bagram 4/9/04 11/23/04 FBI Results of interview with
detainee. Detainee is familiar with Amal Kansi because his case had
garnered so much media attention.
Memo to Counterterrorism, Islamabad and NY from Counterterrorism,
Bagram, Afghanistan re GTMO Task Force, FBI-HQ Afghanistan 4/13/04
11/23/04 FBI Documentation of detainee interview at Bagram Air Field,
Afghanistan.
Memo to Counterterrorism, Islamabad and NY from Counterterrorism,
Bagram, Afghanistan re GTMO Task Force, FBI-HQ Afghanistan 5/2/04
11/23/04 FBI Documentation of detainee interview at Bagram Air Field,
Afghanistan. Mentions Paracha's name.
FBI memo from CIRG HRT to Laboratory re FBI HQ Military Liaison and
Detainee Unit, Afghanistan 5/25/04 11/23/04 FBI Request FBI Lab
conduct DNA examination on samples.
FBI memo from Counterterrorism, Kandahar, Afghanistan to
Counterterrorism, Islamabad re Gitmo Task Force, FBI HQ, Afghanistan
7/28/04 11/23/04 FBI Interview notes and photograph of
detainee. Ghecko, Kandahar, Afghanistan.
FBI note 7/28/04 11/23/04 FBI Heavily redacted letter about interview
of detainee in Kandahar, Afghanistan.
FBI memo from Counterterrorism, Kandahar, Afghanistan to
Counterterrorism, Houston Re Gitmo Task Force, FBI HQ, Afghanistan
7/28/04 11/23/04 FBI Interview of Medium Target Value , NCIS, and/or
DOD.
FBI memo 12/16/03 11/23/04 FBI Notes from detainee interviews at Camp
X-Ray and Camp Delta, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Describes treatment of
prisoners in Afghanistan, including seeing dead prisoner, use of
grenade, shooting prisoner in head.
FBI memo 12/16/03 11/23/04 FBI Notes from detainee interviews at Camp
X-Ray, Guantanamo. Describes prison uprising at Mazar-E-Sharif.
FBI memo 12/16/03 11/23/04 FBI Notes from detainee interviews at Camp
Delta, Guantanamo. Describes Kala Jengi prison uprising, including
being shot.
FBI memo 12/16/03 11/23/04 OIP Notes from detainee interviews at Camp
Delta, Guantanamo, including seeing Dostum's soldiers kill people,
being shot.
FBI memo 12/16/03 11/23/04 FBI Notes from detainee interviews at Camp
Delta, Guantanamo, including Mazar-e-Sharif events, being shot.
FBI memo 12/16/03 11/23/04 FBI Notes from detainee interviews at Camp
Delta, Guantanamo.
FBI memo 12/16/03 11/23/04 FBI Notes from detainee interviews at Camp
Delta, Guantanamo.
FBI memo 12/16/03 11/23/04 FBI Notes from detainee interviews at Camp
Delta, Guantanamo, refers to torture at Sarpooza prison. Detainees
learns about attacks on World Trade Center for the first time during
the interview.
FBI memo for use in prosecution of detainee responsive to request of
DOD Criminal Investigative Task Force Request for Assistance 12/31/03
11/23/04 FBI Refers to detainee interview at Camp Delta, Guantanamo re
Mazar-e-Sharif uprising.
FBI memo for use in prosecution of detainee responsive to request of
DOD Criminal Investigative Task Force Request for Assistance 12/31/03
11/23/04 FBI Refers to detainee interview at Camp Delta, Guantanamo re
Qala-e-Jangi uprising.
FBI memo responsive to request of DOD Criminal Investigative Task
Force Request for Assistance 1/28/04 11/23/04 FBI Update on interviews
with particular detainee that the FBI has conducted with detainees at
Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
FBI memo for use in prosecution of detainee responsive to request of
DOD Criminal Investigative Task Force Request for Assistance 12/31/03
11/23/04 FBI Refers to detainee interview at Camp X-Ray, Guantanamo.
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"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message
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FBI Docs have been released.
No, they have not.
Try again, Mr. Democrat.
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In article <YXIue.8193$hK3.2327@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Native American <NativeAmerican@earthlink.net> wrote:
"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message
news:d9fhc4$ssa$1@panix5.panix.com...
FBI Docs have been released.
No, they have not.
Try again, Mr. Democrat.
Maybe you didn't get the memo(s)
http://www.aclu.org/torturefoia/released/120704.htmlDocuments Received from DIA/DOS/FBI
(released by the ACLU 12/07/04, released by the government 11/8/04 and 11/23/04)
Record
Date of
Record
M/D/Y
Children
Date
Released
M/D/Y
Agency
Record Description
Info memo from L.E. Jacoby, Vice Admiral, USN, Director, DIA to
Under-Secretary of Defense for Intelligence re "Alleged Detainee Abuse
by TF 62-6 Personnel" 6/25/04 11/8/04 DIA Incident date: 5/11/04 DIA
personnel observed prisoners arriving at the Temporary Detention
Facility with burn marks on their backs. Some had bruises and
complained of kidney pain. One interrogator/debriefer witnessed TF
62-6 officers punch a prisoner in the face to the point where the
prisoner needed medical attention. TF 62-6 personnel did not record
treatment. Debriefer ordered to leave room. One DIA debriefer took
pictures of the injuries, showed to TF 62-6 supervisor, who
confiscated them. TF 62-6 personnel have done the following to DIA
interrogators/debriefers: threatened them, confined them to the
compound, ordered them not to talk to anyone in the US and informed
them that their emails are being screened.
Memorandum for Record from DIA intelligence officer [name redacted] to
[redacted] re Report of Violations of the Geneva Conventions and the
International Laws of Land Warfare 6/10/04 11/8/04 DIA Detainee abuse
in violation of Geneva Conventions during TF 6-26 operations in
Baghdad: 1. (5/11/04) Four or five non-interrogator personnel from the
Task Force entered room during initial post-capture interrogation,
slapped detainee. Senior NCO asked all interrogators to leave the
room. Subsequent events unknown. 2. Detainee reported that he had been
"slapped around" during initial interrogation at the place of his
capture in Baghdad. Matter was reported by DIA handling officer in
internal TF contract report.Violation of GCs re detention of
non-combatants: 3. (5/9/04) Detention of wife of suspect during a raid
of a house. Pre-operation TF Brief recommended that the wife be<
detained and held in order to leverage the primary target's
surrender. Author objected to detainment on grounds that he determined
that she could provide no actionable intelligence leading to the
arrest of her husband. Author reported incident HUMINT, who reported
to TF HQ. Woman was released two days later. Recommendation re
tactical interrogation reports - use of name of interrogator in
mistreatment of detainees is liability to DHS collector and DIA: DHS
interrogation support to DoD should be supported by MOU defining DoD
interrogation and detainee treatment policies. Also includes
recommendation dated 7/9/04 re filing of reprimand.
Message from US Ambassador to Pakistan, Wendy Chamberlin, to Secy of
State Powell and A/s Rocca, NSC (Rice and Hadley) and Secy of Defense
Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz re Visit to Qandahar 1/17/02 11/23/04 DOS
Description of Visit to Qandahar detention facility, notes that "there
are currently 380 prisoners from a number of countries," mostly
between 20-30 years of age; "there is no privacy and even calls of
nature are performed in public."
Memo to Deputy Secy from PM-Gregory M. Suchan, Acting, re:
Nationalities at Bagram. 1/22/02 11/23/04 DOS Provides breakdown by
nationality of 27 Bagram detainees; states that "Bagram is a temporary
`collection center' where some detainees stop over enroute to their
permanent location. The conditions at Bagram are stable. Plans are to
construct accommodations for 75 detainees. Currently there are 25
detainees at this location." Contains message from Richard Armitage,
Deputy Secy of State on memo asking "Greg, what happened to the
Uigurs?" List of Detainees is redacted, but another list provides
physical condition, current location, date of capture, location of
capture (three detainees are listed as being in poor condition) and
capture unit (eg Northern Alliance, Pakistan Army, ISID and US
forces).
Telegram to Secy of State Powell from US Mission in Geneva re Letter
from Special Rapporteur on Torture To Ambassador Bremmer [sic]
regarding four men being held in Basra, Iraq 3/24/04 11/23/04 DOS
Informs Secy of State that the US Mission has received a letter dated
March 12, 2004 from Theo van Boven, Special Rapporteur on Torture, and
encloses text of letter from him. The letter states that several
people have been held incommunicado and tortured in Basra (describes
methods), and asks Powell to clarify the circumstances; the letter
also requests information from US govt concerning steps taken by
authorities in compliance with human rights provisions prohibiting
detainee abuse.
Message to Secy of State, various US embassies, NSC, DIA, CIA, Joint
Staff, CJCS, COM CJTF-180 Bagram, Defense Secy, USINCCENT MACDILL
04/03 11/23/04 DOS Report (based on April 17 site visit by
Mazar-e-Sharif Poloff) on detainee treatment at Shiberghan prison,
"which has the largest population of Taliban prisoners in
Afghanistan." Notes that in January 2002 the prison population rose to
3478 and local forces requested assistance from the ICRC for care of
prisoners; as of April 2003, most of the 1088 prisoners had been in
confinement for one and a half years; that the health of the prisoners
had improved dramatically in the past year; based on a walk-through of
the central courtyard, and 13 randomly selected interviews of
prisoners, Poloff did not observe outward signs of physical
mistreatment of the prisoners; following a Jan 2002 visit from
Physicians for Human Rights to this prison and a report documenting
the poor conditions there, human rights and press reporting have
continued to cite the report that is now over a year old and out of
date.
Letter from Pierre Prosper to Yvan Peeters responding to her letter of
Oct 12 to Secy Powell re treatment of juveniles at Guantanamo 12/12/03
11/23/04 DOS Notes that "[t]he detention of juveniles in accordance
with the laws and customs of war is consistent with U.S. obligations
under the Convention of the Rights of the Child. As with all
detainees, these individuals are being held because they are enemy
combatants who pose a threat to United States forces. The United
States . . . is treating young enemy combatants in a manner
appropriate to their status and age."
Letter from Pierre Prosper to Tausif Paracha responding to his letter
to Powell related to a detainee held under US control at an airbase in
Afghanistan 2/23/04 11/23/04 DOS Assures Paracha that Pres. Bush as
affirmed that detainees will be treated humanely, that ICRC routinely
visits detainees individually and privately, that torture is unlawful
and allegations of torture will be thoroughly investigated.
Letter from Tausif Paracha to Powell about the detention of his uncle
by the US beginning July 5 2003 11/3/03 11/23/04 DOS Partially
redacted. Letter says that "everything the [US] government is doing to
my uncle is against the US constitutional and international law
. . ."; "my uncle is living proof" of the US being involved in
"kidnapping, torture, use of chemicals"; that his family was begging
the US govt to let them know that his uncle was just alive, and they
refused to comment - they found out about him from the ICRC that he is
in US custody in Afghanistan, about 2 months after he was kidnapped by
the US on July 5, 2003.
Info memo from L.E. Jacoby, Vice Admiral, USN, Director, DIA to
Under-Secy of Defense for Intelligence re "Alleged Detainee Abuse by
TF 62-6 Personnel" 05/10/04 11/23/04 DOS 05/20 - Memo to Secys of
State and Defense from Condoleeza Rice enclosing response to Rep
Skelton on behalf of Pres, requests they do same. Response notes ICRC
did not give report to her or Pres. NSC knew about report in mid-Feb,
were told that DOD officials were generally aware of allegations. Secy
of Defense informed President that DOD was investigating
allegations. NSC received copy of report from DOS mission in Geneva in
early March, told ICRC didn't want to give report to Washington
because working with US officials in Iraq. This was reason for not
disseminating to Congress. 06/01 - Letter from Paul Kelly (DOS) to
Skelton refers to Rice's response that DOS received report on March 5
from Geneva.
Internal FBI Inspection Division memo re Counterterrorism Division,
Inquiry Regarding Activities of FBI personnel at Abu Ghraib Prison
during October 2003 - December 2003 5/17 - 5/25/04 11/23/04 FBI Notes
and summaries related to 15 investigative interviews conducted on
5/17/04 and 5/18/04 of FBI employees who were at Abu Ghraib in
Oct-Dec. 2003.
FBI email (parties redacted) re "Current Events" 5/13/04 11/23/04 FBI
Gen Karpinski at Abu Ghraib reported that Gen Miller wants to
"gimotize" Abu Ghraib. Author assumes this means supporting
interrogation strategies "we not only advised against, but questioned
in terms of effectiveness." Gen Miller was against rapport-building
approach. Refers recipient to BAU EC and EC written by Miami Division
as a "must read."
Emails from [redacted] to T.J. Harrington, copied to others at FBI, re
instructions to GTMO interrogators 5/10/04 11/23/04 FBI Mentions
disagreements between the DOD and the FBI on how to handle
interrogations, including FBI advising DOD re techniques that were
ineffective in producing reliable intelligence. Example of DOD
pursuing their methods to expeditiously "get more out of him." FBI
told DOD their methods didn't get more info that FBI's simple
interrogation techniques. Notes BAU wrote EC explaining FBI vs DOD
methods of interrogation.
Email from [redacted] to [redacted] re Detainee Abuse Claims 5/5/04
11/23/04 FBI Mention of FBI's disapproval of DOD's outline of accepted
interrogation techniques.
Email [parties redacted] re BAU workshop - Interviewing Extremists
10/30/03 11/23/04 FBI Information provided to participants in BAU
workshop that brings together personnel with background interviewing
extremists. Includes FBI, JTTF, DOD, and other intelligence personnel.
FBI memo to Counterterrorism and Counterintelligence in various US
cities re Interview and Interrogation of Extremists Working Group,
National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime, and Behavioral
Analysis Unit (forwarded to Frankie Battle with request that he
attend) 10/21/03 11/23/04 FBI Workshop that brings together personnel
with background in terrorist investigations. Object is to incorporate
product of Nov 2003 meeting into a practical guide for personnel
involved in conducting interviews both in the field and in controlled
environments such as GTMO. Focus on how the FBI can better elicit
information from those involved in terrorist activities.
Email [parties redacted] re GTMO 7/31 11/23/04 FBI Mentions DHS having
a negative impact on what FBI is trying to accomplish at GTMO.
Email [parties redacted] re survived the first week 6/20/03 11/23/04
FBI Observations after first week at GTMO. Notes differences between
interviewees as well as interview styles; and that "[w]e're still
hearing about folks doing weird things like subjecting interviewees to
strobe lights, etc., but have not seen anything of concern to
date. Overheard a very loud (non-Bureau) interview down the hall
yesterday, but chose not to observe it."
Email [parties redacted] noting that sender is forwarding this EC up
the chain of command 12/5/03 11/23/04 FBI EC being forwarded up the
chain of command. Notes that FBI's Military Liason and Detainee Unit,
(MLDU) "requested this information be documented to protect the
FBI. MLDU has had a longstanding and documented position against use
of some of DOD's interrogation practices." Mentions the FBI being
unaware of new interrogation techniques being used by the DOD.
Email [parties redacted] re GTMO matters 12/16/02 11/23/04 FBI Notes,
"looks like we are stuck in the much with the interview approach of
the military vrs. law enforcement. We need to establish a Bureau
policy laying out the boundaries for the interview process."
Interview of a detainee at Camp Delta, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba 11/25/02
11/23/04 FBI Detainee talks about punishment at Guantanamo, "`reward"
system and classification of detainees based on behavior. Describes
spending time in an isolation unit. Discusses suggestions made and
questions asked by interrogator.
Email (parties redacted) re Gitmo 11/23/04 FBI Behavioral Analysis
Advisor writes he was aware of extreme interrogation techniques that
were planned and implemented against certain detainees. The events
were summarized in memos and in an EC written by the author of the
email and his colleagues between Oct. and May of 2002.
Memo to Counterterrorism, NY, from Counterterrorism, Bagram,
Afghanistan re [redacted] (interview of detainee at Bagram) 2/29/04
11/23/04 FBI Heavily redacted documentation of detainee interview at
Bagram Air Field, Afghanistan. Detainee mentions that he is only
allowed to use the bathroom every 6 hours, which hinders his water
intake, requests to be moved back to "general population."
Memo to Counterterrorism from Counterterrorism, Bagram, Afghanistan re
GTMO Task Force, Bagram 2/28/04 11/23/04 FBI Report results of
interview conducted of detainee at Bagram Control Point, Bagram,
Afghanistan. Detainee stated that no one is allowed to speak inside
BCP.
Memo to Counterterrorism from Counterterrorism, Bagram, Afghanistan re
GTMO Task Force, Bagram 4/9/04 11/23/04 FBI Results of interview with
detainee. Detainee is familiar with Amal Kansi because his case had
garnered so much media attention.
Memo to Counterterrorism, Islamabad and NY from Counterterrorism,
Bagram, Afghanistan re GTMO Task Force, FBI-HQ Afghanistan 4/13/04
11/23/04 FBI Documentation of detainee interview at Bagram Air Field,
Afghanistan.
Memo to Counterterrorism, Islamabad and NY from Counterterrorism,
Bagram, Afghanistan re GTMO Task Force, FBI-HQ Afghanistan 5/2/04
11/23/04 FBI Documentation of detainee interview at Bagram Air Field,
Afghanistan. Mentions Paracha's name.
FBI memo from CIRG HRT to Laboratory re FBI HQ Military Liaison and
Detainee Unit, Afghanistan 5/25/04 11/23/04 FBI Request FBI Lab
conduct DNA examination on samples.
FBI memo from Counterterrorism, Kandahar, Afghanistan to
Counterterrorism, Islamabad re Gitmo Task Force, FBI HQ, Afghanistan
7/28/04 11/23/04 FBI Interview notes and photograph of
detainee. Ghecko, Kandahar, Afghanistan.
FBI note 7/28/04 11/23/04 FBI Heavily redacted letter about interview
of detainee in Kandahar, Afghanistan.
FBI memo from Counterterrorism, Kandahar, Afghanistan to
Counterterrorism, Houston Re Gitmo Task Force, FBI HQ, Afghanistan
7/28/04 11/23/04 FBI Interview of Medium Target Value - FBIHQ -
Afghanistan, describes blindfolding, shackles.
FBI note 6/24/03 11/23/04 FBI Notice of interview of detainee at Camp
Delta, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, by FBI, INS, NCIS, and/or DOD.
FBI memo 12/16/03 11/23/04 FBI Notes from detainee interviews at Camp
X-Ray and Camp Delta, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Describes treatment of
prisoners in Afghanistan, including seeing dead prisoner, use of
grenade, shooting prisoner in head.
FBI memo 12/16/03 11/23/04 FBI Notes from detainee interviews at Camp
X-Ray, Guantanamo. Describes prison uprising at Mazar-E-Sharif.
FBI memo 12/16/03 11/23/04 FBI Notes from detainee interviews at Camp
Delta, Guantanamo. Describes Kala Jengi prison uprising, including
being shot.
FBI memo 12/16/03 11/23/04 OIP Notes from detainee interviews at Camp
Delta, Guantanamo, including seeing Dostum's soldiers kill people,
being shot.
FBI memo 12/16/03 11/23/04 FBI Notes from detainee interviews at Camp
Delta, Guantanamo, including Mazar-e-Sharif events, being shot.
FBI memo 12/16/03 11/23/04 FBI Notes from detainee interviews at Camp
Delta, Guantanamo.
FBI memo 12/16/03 11/23/04 FBI Notes from detainee interviews at Camp
Delta, Guantanamo.
FBI memo 12/16/03 11/23/04 FBI Notes from detainee interviews at Camp
Delta, Guantanamo, refers to torture at Sarpooza prison. Detainees
learns about attacks on World Trade Center for the first time during
the interview.
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FBI memo for use in prosecution of detainee responsive to request of
DOD Criminal Investigative Task Force Request for Assistance 12/31/03
11/23/04 FBI Refers to detainee interview at Camp Delta, Guantanamo re
Mazar-e-Sharif uprising.
FBI memo for use in prosecution of detainee responsive to request of
DOD Criminal Investigative Task Force Request for Assistance 12/31/03
11/23/04 FBI Refers to detainee interview at Camp Delta, Guantanamo re
Qala-e-Jangi uprising.
FBI memo responsive to request of DOD Criminal Investigative Task
Force Request for Assistance 1/28/04 11/23/04 FBI Update on interviews
with particular detainee that the FBI has conducted with detainees at
Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
FBI memo for use in prosecution of detainee responsive to request of
DOD Criminal Investigative Task Force Request for Assistance 12/31/03
11/23/04 FBI Refers to detainee interview at Camp X-Ray, Guantanamo.
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