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Re: How John Kerry's Pal Jane Fonda Called American POW's "hypocrites & liars" |
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First it was former Vermont Gov. Howie Dean seemingly planting
sick people around him so he could appear to be a healer while
on the campaign trail. (Recall that early in the campaign, Dean
was often coincidentally close by to aid people who had either
fainted or fallen ill at his campaign events
http://snipurl.com/4cbs .)
Now John Kerry's campaign is planting volunteers at his
appearances in order to make him appear tougher. At a rally
yesterday at which he accepted the endorsement of Maine Gov.
John Baldacci, Kerry faced down a heckler in the Portland
audience who called out, "Why don't you tell them about your
vote on the war and the Patriot Act?"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ask Kerry REAL questions.
Like about live sightings of MIA's.
Like about classified MIA documents which were shredded.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kerry responded that he would -- but in time. "I never run away
from anything, especially George Bush," Kerry said.
The candidate seemed to be quick on his feet in the response,
and his retort garnered applause. Perhaps his quick thinking was
the result of knowing the jibe was coming.
According to a Kerry campaign source, the campaign has been
looking to plant local volunteers in crowds to mix it up, and to
make it appear their man is facing down tough questioning. "This
kind of confrontation pushes him up the line in news coverage,"
says the staffer. "Instead of facing a tough question from a
reporter, the news guys have this seeming give and take to
report on."
More on how Kerry stabbed Vietnam Vets in the back and cashed in on
the Vietnam War like his heros the Kennedys and LBJ.
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm
Much of Kerry's speech before Congress painted his fellow GIs as so
brutal that, today, they could easily be mistaken for Saddam
Hussein's
Fedayeen killers.
He reported to Congress that U.S. soldiers had "personally raped,
cut
off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to
human
genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies,
randomly shot at civilians, razed villages, shot cattle and dogs for
fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of
South Vietnam."
At least Howard Dean did not smear Vietnam Vets for 20 pieces of
silver like Kerry did.
More on how Kerry made a lot of money sweeping the POWs and MIAs under
the table.
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm
http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.htm
"To add insult to injury, when American POWs finally began to return
home (some of them having been held captive for up to nine years) and
describe the tortures they had endured at the hands of the North
Vietnamese, Jane Fonda quickly told the country that they should "not
hail the POWs as heroes, because they are hypocrites and liars." Fonda
said the idea that the POWs she had met in Vietnam had been tortured
was "laughable," claiming: "These were not men who had been tortured.
These were not men who had been starved. These were not men who had
been brainwashed." The POWs who said they had been tortured were
"exaggerating, probably for their own self-interest," she asserted.
She told audiences that "Never in the history of the United States
have POWs come home looking like football players. These football
players are no more heroes than Custer was. They're military
careerists and professional killers" who are "trying to make
themselves look self-righteous, but they are war criminals according
to law."
From the same page:
In fact, Fonda carried home letters from many American POWs to their
families upon her return from North Vietnam, and rumors that a POW was
beaten to death when he refused to meet with her were nothing more than
rumors.
On the one hand, Jane Fonda provided no tangible military assistance to
the
North Vietnamese: she divulged no military secrets, she gave them no money
or material, and she did not interfere with the operations of the American
forces. Her actions, offensive as they were to many, were primarily of
propaganda value only. On the other hand, Iva Ikuko Toguri (also known as
"Tokyo Rose") was convicted of treason for making propaganda broadcasts on
behalf of the Japanese during World War II (although she claimed her
betrayal was forced and was eventually pardoned many years later by
President Gerald Ford), and Fonda's efforts could fall under the
definition
of "giving aid and comfort to the enemy." It is also undeniable that some
American soldiers came to harm as a direct result of Fonda's actions, an
outcome she should reasonably have anticipated.
In 1988, sixteen years after denouncing American soldiers as war criminals
and tortured POWs as possessed of overactive imaginations, Fonda met with
Vietnam veterans to apologize for her actions. It's interesting to note
that
this nationally-televised apology (during which she attempted to minimize
her actions by characterizing them as "thoughtless and careless") came at
a
time when New England vets were successfully disrupting a film project she
was working on. It's also interesting that not only was this apology
delivered sixteen years after the fact, but it has not been offered again
since. More than a few have read a huge dollop of self-interest into
Fonda's
1988 apology. (Finally, in an interview in 2000, almost thirty years after
the fact, Fonda admitted: "I will go to my grave regretting the photograph
of me in an anti-aircraft carrier, which looks like I was trying to shoot
at
American planes. It hurt so many soldiers. It galvanized such hostility.
It
was the most horrible thing I could possibly have done. It was just
thoughtless.")
Jane Fonda has also claimed, in recent years, that she has become a
born-again Christian. Maybe John Kerry will try that claim too. He's going
to need SOMETHING to prop up his sagging candidacy. His poll numbers have
dropped 7 points in just the last week alone.
.
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First it was former Vermont Gov. Howie Dean seemingly planting
sick people around him so he could appear to be a healer while
on the campaign trail. (Recall that early in the campaign, Dean
was often coincidentally close by to aid people who had either
fainted or fallen ill at his campaign events
http://snipurl.com/4cbs .)
Now John Kerry's campaign is planting volunteers at his
appearances in order to make him appear tougher. At a rally
yesterday at which he accepted the endorsement of Maine Gov.
John Baldacci, Kerry faced down a heckler in the Portland
audience who called out, "Why don't you tell them about your
vote on the war and the Patriot Act?"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ask Kerry REAL questions.
Like about live sightings of MIA's.
Like about classified MIA documents which were shredded.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kerry responded that he would -- but in time. "I never run away
from anything, especially George Bush," Kerry said.
The candidate seemed to be quick on his feet in the response,
and his retort garnered applause. Perhaps his quick thinking
was
the result of knowing the jibe was coming.
According to a Kerry campaign source, the campaign has been
looking to plant local volunteers in crowds to mix it up, and
to
make it appear their man is facing down tough questioning.
"This
kind of confrontation pushes him up the line in news coverage,"
says the staffer. "Instead of facing a tough question from a
reporter, the news guys have this seeming give and take to
report on."
More on how Kerry stabbed Vietnam Vets in the back and cashed in
on
the Vietnam War like his heros the Kennedys and LBJ.
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm
Much of Kerry's speech before Congress painted his fellow GIs as
so
brutal that, today, they could easily be mistaken for Saddam
Hussein's
Fedayeen killers.
He reported to Congress that U.S. soldiers had "personally raped,
cut
off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to
human
genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies,
randomly shot at civilians, razed villages, shot cattle and dogs
for
fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside
of
South Vietnam."
At least Howard Dean did not smear Vietnam Vets for 20 pieces of
silver like Kerry did.
More on how Kerry made a lot of money sweeping the POWs and MIAs
under
the table.
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm
http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.htm
"To add insult to injury, when American POWs finally began to return
home (some of them having been held captive for up to nine years) and
describe the tortures they had endured at the hands of the North
Vietnamese, Jane Fonda quickly told the country that they should "not
hail the POWs as heroes, because they are hypocrites and liars." Fonda
said the idea that the POWs she had met in Vietnam had been tortured
was "laughable," claiming: "These were not men who had been tortured.
These were not men who had been starved. These were not men who had
been brainwashed." The POWs who said they had been tortured were
"exaggerating, probably for their own self-interest," she asserted.
She told audiences that "Never in the history of the United States
have POWs come home looking like football players. These football
players are no more heroes than Custer was. They're military
careerists and professional killers" who are "trying to make
themselves look self-righteous, but they are war criminals according
to law."
From the same page:
In fact, Fonda carried home letters from many American POWs to their
families upon her return from North Vietnam, and rumors that a POW was
beaten to death when he refused to meet with her were nothing more than
rumors.
On the one hand, Jane Fonda provided no tangible military assistance to
the
North Vietnamese: she divulged no military secrets, she gave them no
money
or material, and she did not interfere with the operations of the
American
forces. Her actions, offensive as they were to many, were primarily of
propaganda value only. On the other hand, Iva Ikuko Toguri (also known
as
"Tokyo Rose") was convicted of treason for making propaganda broadcasts
on
behalf of the Japanese during World War II (although she claimed her
betrayal was forced and was eventually pardoned many years later by
President Gerald Ford), and Fonda's efforts could fall under the
definition
of "giving aid and comfort to the enemy." It is also undeniable that
some
American soldiers came to harm as a direct result of Fonda's actions, an
outcome she should reasonably have anticipated.
In 1988, sixteen years after denouncing American soldiers as war
criminals
and tortured POWs as possessed of overactive imaginations, Fonda met
with
Vietnam veterans to apologize for her actions. It's interesting to note
that
this nationally-televised apology (during which she attempted to
minimize
her actions by characterizing them as "thoughtless and careless") came
at
a
time when New England vets were successfully disrupting a film project
she
was working on. It's also interesting that not only was this apology
delivered sixteen years after the fact, but it has not been offered
again
since. More than a few have read a huge dollop of self-interest into
Fonda's
1988 apology. (Finally, in an interview in 2000, almost thirty years
after
the fact, Fonda admitted: "I will go to my grave regretting the
photograph
of me in an anti-aircraft carrier, which looks like I was trying to
shoot
at
American planes. It hurt so many soldiers. It galvanized such hostility.
It
was the most horrible thing I could possibly have done. It was just
thoughtless.")
Jane Fonda has also claimed, in recent years, that she has become a
born-again Christian. Maybe John Kerry will try that claim too. He's
going
to need SOMETHING to prop up his sagging candidacy. His poll numbers have
dropped 7 points in just the last week alone.
Maybe Bush will pretend it's not his fault he killed thousands in Iraq.
Bush's approval is at 48%.
.
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"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Jane Fonda has also claimed, in recent years, that she has become a
born-again Christian. Maybe John Kerry will try that claim too. He's
going
to need SOMETHING to prop up his sagging candidacy. His poll numbers
have
dropped 7 points in just the last week alone.
Maybe Bush will pretend it's not his fault he killed thousands in Iraq.
He'll certainly have a good basis for doing so, should he want to make such
a claim, since it was none other than John "Baby Killer" Kerry himself who
AUTHORIZED the war on Iraq, as you well know, Roger.
Bush's approval is at 48%.
And John Kerry's poll numbers have fallen by 7 points in just the past week
alone.
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| User: "Roger" |
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12 Feb 2004 06:38:13 AM |
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"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Jane Fonda has also claimed, in recent years, that she has become a
born-again Christian. Maybe John Kerry will try that claim too. He's
going
to need SOMETHING to prop up his sagging candidacy. His poll numbers
have
dropped 7 points in just the last week alone.
Maybe Bush will pretend it's not his fault he killed thousands in Iraq.
He'll certainly have a good basis for doing so, should he want to make
such
a claim, since it was none other than John "Baby Killer" Kerry himself who
AUTHORIZED the war on Iraq, as you well know, Roger.
Bush's approval is at 48%.
And John Kerry's poll numbers have fallen by 7 points in just the past
week
alone.
Bush is the CURRENT president, during a WAR. His approval is pathetic.
They're very accurate, however.
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| User: "Kaptain Kerry" |
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12 Feb 2004 07:09:04 AM |
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"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Jane Fonda has also claimed, in recent years, that she has become a
born-again Christian. Maybe John Kerry will try that claim too.
He's
going
to need SOMETHING to prop up his sagging candidacy. His poll
numbers
have
dropped 7 points in just the last week alone.
Maybe Bush will pretend it's not his fault he killed thousands in
Iraq.
He'll certainly have a good basis for doing so, should he want to make
such
a claim, since it was none other than John "Baby Killer" Kerry himself
who
AUTHORIZED the war on Iraq, as you well know, Roger.
Bush's approval is at 48%.
And John Kerry's poll numbers have fallen by 7 points in just the past
week
alone.
Bush is the CURRENT president, during a WAR. His approval is pathetic.
They're very accurate, however.
No Roger, apparently you can't even get simple things like NUMBERS correct!
Bush's approval is 56%, not "48%".
http://www.pollingreport.com/BushFav.htm
Once again, Roger ends up displaying what a Democrat dolt he is......
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| User: "Roger" |
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12 Feb 2004 07:16:18 AM |
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"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Jane Fonda has also claimed, in recent years, that she has become
a
born-again Christian. Maybe John Kerry will try that claim too.
He's
going
to need SOMETHING to prop up his sagging candidacy. His poll
numbers
have
dropped 7 points in just the last week alone.
Maybe Bush will pretend it's not his fault he killed thousands in
Iraq.
He'll certainly have a good basis for doing so, should he want to make
such
a claim, since it was none other than John "Baby Killer" Kerry himself
who
AUTHORIZED the war on Iraq, as you well know, Roger.
Bush's approval is at 48%.
And John Kerry's poll numbers have fallen by 7 points in just the past
week
alone.
Bush is the CURRENT president, during a WAR. His approval is pathetic.
They're very accurate, however.
No Roger, apparently you can't even get simple things like NUMBERS
correct!
Bush's approval is 56%, not "48%".
http://www.pollingreport.com/BushFav.htm
From http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2004/02/09/2003098079
BLOOMBERG
Monday, Feb 09, 2004,Page 6
US President George W. Bush's approval rating is 48 percent, the lowest in
three years, and 50 percent don't want him to be re-elected in November, a
Newsweek poll said.
Once again, Roger ends up displaying what a Democrat dolt he is......
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12 Feb 2004 07:25:22 AM |
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Jane Fonda has also claimed, in recent years, that she has
become
a
born-again Christian. Maybe John Kerry will try that claim too.
He's
going
to need SOMETHING to prop up his sagging candidacy. His poll
numbers
have
dropped 7 points in just the last week alone.
Maybe Bush will pretend it's not his fault he killed thousands in
Iraq.
He'll certainly have a good basis for doing so, should he want to
make
such
a claim, since it was none other than John "Baby Killer" Kerry
himself
who
AUTHORIZED the war on Iraq, as you well know, Roger.
Bush's approval is at 48%.
And John Kerry's poll numbers have fallen by 7 points in just the
past
week
alone.
Bush is the CURRENT president, during a WAR. His approval is pathetic.
They're very accurate, however.
No Roger, apparently you can't even get simple things like NUMBERS
correct!
Bush's approval is 56%, not "48%".
http://www.pollingreport.com/BushFav.htm
From http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2004/02/09/2003098079
BLOOMBERG
Monday, Feb 09, 2004,Page 6
US President George W. Bush's approval rating is 48 percent, the lowest in
three years, and 50 percent don't want him to be re-elected in November, a
Newsweek poll said.
And the more recent figure you have already been supplied supercedes that
older, more stale polling result, Roger.
Get over yourself, you pompous little Leftist.
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Jane Fonda has also claimed, in recent years, that she has
become
a
born-again Christian. Maybe John Kerry will try that claim
too.
He's
going
to need SOMETHING to prop up his sagging candidacy. His poll
numbers
have
dropped 7 points in just the last week alone.
Maybe Bush will pretend it's not his fault he killed thousands
in
Iraq.
He'll certainly have a good basis for doing so, should he want to
make
such
a claim, since it was none other than John "Baby Killer" Kerry
himself
who
AUTHORIZED the war on Iraq, as you well know, Roger.
Bush's approval is at 48%.
And John Kerry's poll numbers have fallen by 7 points in just the
past
week
alone.
Bush is the CURRENT president, during a WAR. His approval is
pathetic.
They're very accurate, however.
No Roger, apparently you can't even get simple things like NUMBERS
correct!
Bush's approval is 56%, not "48%".
http://www.pollingreport.com/BushFav.htm
From
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2004/02/09/2003098079
BLOOMBERG
Monday, Feb 09, 2004,Page 6
US President George W. Bush's approval rating is 48 percent, the lowest
in
three years, and 50 percent don't want him to be re-elected in November,
a
Newsweek poll said.
And the more recent figure you have already been supplied supercedes that
older, more stale polling result, Roger.
Get over yourself, you pompous little Leftist.
You seem to be unable to get over me.
Glad to help.
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| Title: Re: Bush's invasion was illegal, and Bush is a war criminal. |
12 Feb 2004 09:20:37 AM |
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"Law Groups Say U.S. Invasion Illegal"
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0321-10.htm
http://www.lawyersagainstthewar.org/legalarticles.html
"...WAR IN IRAQ IS "UNEQUIVOCALLY ILLEGAL"..."
"...This war is illegal, immoral and won't stop terrorism ..."
"...The Framework of International Law ..."
Also see:
http://www.law.deakin.edu.au/research/subject/war.htm
http://www.law.unimelb.edu.au/icil/topics/iraq/criminal.htm
http://www.globelaw.com/Iraq/Preventive_war_after_iraq.htm
www.princeton.edu/~ppn/docs/WAR%20AGAINST%20IRAQ%20IS%20ILLEGAL.doc
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forum/forumnew98.php
"Why Bush Must Be Captured And Tried Alongside Saddam Hussein"
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0401/S00002.htm
"...Any claim that "material breach" of cease fire obligations by Iraq justifies use of
force by the United States is unavailing. The Gulf War was a Security Council authorized
action, not a state versus state conflict; accordingly, it is for the Security Council to
determine whether there has been a material breach and whether such breach requires
renewed use of force..."
http://www.lcnp.org/global/iraqstatement3.htm
http://www.hrcr.org/hottopics/Iraq.html
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| User: "Jerry Okamura" |
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| Title: Re: Bush's invasion was illegal, and Bush is a war criminal. |
12 Feb 2004 09:56:37 AM |
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What is the significance of calling an act "illegal" when we know with
certainty that nothing is going to be done about the "illegal act"? This is
akin to saying that murder is illegal, but doing nothing about the person
who commits the murder, it seems to me.
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"Law Groups Say U.S. Invasion Illegal"
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0321-10.htm
http://www.lawyersagainstthewar.org/legalarticles.html
"...WAR IN IRAQ IS "UNEQUIVOCALLY ILLEGAL"..."
"...This war is illegal, immoral and won't stop terrorism ..."
"...The Framework of International Law ..."
Also see:
http://www.law.deakin.edu.au/research/subject/war.htm
http://www.law.unimelb.edu.au/icil/topics/iraq/criminal.htm
http://www.globelaw.com/Iraq/Preventive_war_after_iraq.htm
www.princeton.edu/~ppn/docs/WAR%20AGAINST%20IRAQ%20IS%20ILLEGAL.doc
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forum/forumnew98.php
"Why Bush Must Be Captured And Tried Alongside Saddam Hussein"
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0401/S00002.htm
"...Any claim that "material breach" of cease fire obligations by Iraq
justifies use of
force by the United States is unavailing. The Gulf War was a Security
Council authorized
action, not a state versus state conflict; accordingly, it is for the
Security Council to
determine whether there has been a material breach and whether such breach
requires
renewed use of force..."
http://www.lcnp.org/global/iraqstatement3.htm
http://www.hrcr.org/hottopics/Iraq.html
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| User: "Harry" |
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12 Feb 2004 03:17:29 PM |
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"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message news:<VmNWb.1444$_g.623@twister.socal.rr.com>...
What is the significance of calling an act "illegal" when we know with
certainty that nothing is going to be done about the "illegal act"? This is
akin to saying that murder is illegal, but doing nothing about the person
who commits the murder, it seems to me.
<America> wrote in message
news:gf5n2053lov2jld38rt0h80udqaie290mt@4ax.com...
"Law Groups Say U.S. Invasion Illegal"
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0321-10.htm
http://www.lawyersagainstthewar.org/legalarticles.html
"...WAR IN IRAQ IS "UNEQUIVOCALLY ILLEGAL"..."
"...This war is illegal, immoral and won't stop terrorism ..."
"...The Framework of International Law ..."
Also see:
http://www.law.deakin.edu.au/research/subject/war.htm
http://www.law.unimelb.edu.au/icil/topics/iraq/criminal.htm
http://www.globelaw.com/Iraq/Preventive_war_after_iraq.htm
www.princeton.edu/~ppn/docs/WAR%20AGAINST%20IRAQ%20IS%20ILLEGAL.doc
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forum/forumnew98.php
"Why Bush Must Be Captured And Tried Alongside Saddam Hussein"
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0401/S00002.htm
"...Any claim that "material breach" of cease fire obligations by Iraq
justifies use of
force by the United States is unavailing. The Gulf War was a Security
Council authorized
action, not a state versus state conflict; accordingly, it is for the
Security Council to
determine whether there has been a material breach and whether such breach
requires
renewed use of force..."
http://www.lcnp.org/global/iraqstatement3.htm
http://www.hrcr.org/hottopics/Iraq.html
Gee, that's what Pinochet thought just before they arrested him. It
may take 20 years, but Cheney and Bush and Ken Lay, as well as
Wolfowitz, Perle, Limpballs, O'Lielly, Coulter, Hannity....all will
ultimately face trial in the Hague. And hopefully, hang.
Thanks, George W, for dragging your nation through your war crimes.
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| User: "America" |
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| Title: Re: Bush's invasion was illegal, and Bush is a war criminal. |
12 Feb 2004 07:02:44 PM |
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(Harry) wrote:
"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message news:<VmNWb.1444$_g.623@twister.socal.rr.com>...
What is the significance of calling an act "illegal" when we know with
certainty that nothing is going to be done about the "illegal act"? This is
akin to saying that murder is illegal, but doing nothing about the person
who commits the murder, it seems to me.
<America> wrote in message
news:gf5n2053lov2jld38rt0h80udqaie290mt@4ax.com...
"Law Groups Say U.S. Invasion Illegal"
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0321-10.htm
http://www.lawyersagainstthewar.org/legalarticles.html
"...WAR IN IRAQ IS "UNEQUIVOCALLY ILLEGAL"..."
"...This war is illegal, immoral and won't stop terrorism ..."
"...The Framework of International Law ..."
Also see:
http://www.law.deakin.edu.au/research/subject/war.htm
http://www.law.unimelb.edu.au/icil/topics/iraq/criminal.htm
http://www.globelaw.com/Iraq/Preventive_war_after_iraq.htm
www.princeton.edu/~ppn/docs/WAR%20AGAINST%20IRAQ%20IS%20ILLEGAL.doc
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forum/forumnew98.php
"Why Bush Must Be Captured And Tried Alongside Saddam Hussein"
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0401/S00002.htm
"...Any claim that "material breach" of cease fire obligations by Iraq justifies use of
force by the United States is unavailing. The Gulf War was a Security Council authorized
action, not a state versus state conflict; accordingly, it is for the Security Council to
determine whether there has been a material breach and whether such breach requires
renewed use of force..."
http://www.lcnp.org/global/iraqstatement3.htm
http://www.hrcr.org/hottopics/Iraq.html
Gee, that's what Pinochet thought just before they arrested him. It
may take 20 years, but Cheney and Bush and Ken Lay, as well as
Wolfowitz, Perle, Limpballs, O'Lielly, Coulter, Hannity....all will
ultimately face trial in the Hague. And hopefully, hang.
Thanks, George W, for dragging your nation through your war crimes.
Yes. The Bush damage will be addressed, to at least some degree.
I'd rather see the perps do time and make reparations than be killed,
as execution is too merciful for them and we need to study how such
defective behaviors originate.
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| User: "Bob" |
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| Title: Re: Bush's invasion was illegal, and Bush is a war criminal. |
12 Feb 2004 06:23:50 PM |
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"Harry" <realpoetik@scn.org> wrote in message
news:ee68a82.0402121317.7aeec822@posting.google.com...
Gee, that's what Pinochet thought just before they arrested him. It
may take 20 years, but Cheney and Bush and Ken Lay, as well as
Wolfowitz, Perle, Limpballs, O'Lielly, Coulter, Hannity....all will
ultimately face trial in the Hague. And hopefully, hang.
The liberal philosophy ... for all to see.
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| User: "America" |
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12 Feb 2004 10:26:14 AM |
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"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
What is the significance of calling an act "illegal" when we know with
certainty that nothing is going to be done about the "illegal act"? This is
akin to saying that murder is illegal, but doing nothing about the person
who commits the murder, it seems to me.
Why?
At one time no one believed Hitler could be stopped (the Bush family
was working for him for all they were worth), but he was eventually
brought down.
Don't be such a coward. It's unAmerican of you.
<America> wrote in message news:gf5n2053lov2jld38rt0h80udqaie290mt@4ax.com...
"Law Groups Say U.S. Invasion Illegal"
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0321-10.htm
http://www.lawyersagainstthewar.org/legalarticles.html
"...WAR IN IRAQ IS "UNEQUIVOCALLY ILLEGAL"..."
"...This war is illegal, immoral and won't stop terrorism ..."
"...The Framework of International Law ..."
Also see:
http://www.law.deakin.edu.au/research/subject/war.htm
http://www.law.unimelb.edu.au/icil/topics/iraq/criminal.htm
http://www.globelaw.com/Iraq/Preventive_war_after_iraq.htm
www.princeton.edu/~ppn/docs/WAR%20AGAINST%20IRAQ%20IS%20ILLEGAL.doc
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forum/forumnew98.php
"Why Bush Must Be Captured And Tried Alongside Saddam Hussein"
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0401/S00002.htm
"...Any claim that "material breach" of cease fire obligations by Iraq
justifies use of
force by the United States is unavailing. The Gulf War was a Security
Council authorized
action, not a state versus state conflict; accordingly, it is for the
Security Council to
determine whether there has been a material breach and whether such breach
requires
renewed use of force..."
http://www.lcnp.org/global/iraqstatement3.htm
http://www.hrcr.org/hottopics/Iraq.html
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| User: "America" |
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| Title: Re: Bush is a war criminal |
12 Feb 2004 09:20:32 AM |
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"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote:
Maybe Bush will pretend it's not his fault he killed thousands in Iraq.
Bush's approval is at 48%.
Even the clumsiest con can get over on a truly stupid person.
The bushkult is all about stupidity and malice.
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| User: "America" |
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| Title: Re: How Bush's Lie Makes GIs Die |
11 Feb 2004 10:56:20 AM |
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Iraq was no threat. Bush just wanted to profiteer.
The bloodshed is just icing on Bush's cake.
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