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"John Berg" |
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19 Dec 2004 10:07:18 AM |
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Re: In Iraq there can be no true democracy |
Can anyone make any sense of this rant? In the absence of "sense," we have
nonsense.
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John Berg
The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his
absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must
delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has
ceased to be a great power among men. --W. Churchill
"clark wilkins" <clarkwilkins@charter.net> wrote in message
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| User: "clark wilkins" |
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| Title: Re: In Iraq there can be no true democracy |
20 Dec 2004 02:47:55 AM |
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"John Berg" <johnberg@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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Can anyone make any sense of this rant? In the absence of "sense," we
have
nonsense.
You just described yourself.
--
John Berg
The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his
absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must
delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has
ceased to be a great power among men. --W. Churchill
You're getting the very thing W. Churchill complainted about.
It's to coming to Iraq - compliments of George Bush and the Neocon nutcases.
You might have had a chance of following what I wrote below if you hadn't
snipped it out - but that happens when your parents are your siblings.
For starters at least educate yourself on who Sistani is. Otherwise, you're
just as ignorant as the Neocon nutcases who failed to educate themselves on
who he is.
Now try again. This time try and apply what little intelligence you have to
the post (I know I'm asking a lot). Here it is once more:
"clark wilkins" <clarkwilkins@charter.net> wrote in message
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In Iraq there can be no true democracy.
There was never any intent by the Neocon nutcases to install a democracy.
Their intent was to install Anwar Chalabi.
The Shiites countered that by demanding a democracy - the very propaganda
crappola Bush had been promising them via Neocon nutcase, Bernard Lewis.
The Neocon nutcases were doomed to failure out of their own arrogance and
ignorance. As a result, America has lost the war. On January 30 our loss
becomes official as Iraq elects the hand picked candidates of Ayatollah
Sistani who will then write their own "democratic" consititution in which
the voters are free to elect any candidate approved by the Islamic clergy
and/or pass any law approved by the Islamic clergy. Otherwise, their
democratic choice is prison or the firing squad.
The Neocon nutcases have created the very government they most feared in
Iraq, a pro Iranian, Islamic based, Sharia government.
In the West we are conditioned to believe that our form of political
system is superior.
In the West, there is separation of Church and State.
Under Iraq's soon to be written constitution, there isn't.
As a result most of us believe that democracy is a
panacea which other nations desperately need. It is portrayed as the
most suitable political system for everybody, everywhere.
It was argued to be that by Dr. Bernard Lewis who, like all Neocon nutcases,
is a complete idiot. He saw democracy working in Turkey but failed to
realize that Turkey practises separation of Church from State - Or if he did
recognize it, his idiot followers (Wurmser, Feith, Bolton, Frum, Kristol,
Kagan, Perle, and even Wofowitz) certainly didn't.
But in a country like Iraq the representatives of the largest group,
in this case the Shia majority, will obviously win every time.
They will now that they have formed a coalition and the Sunni are boycotting
the elections. America's only hope was to get Sistani's opposition (Sadr,
the Sunni, Baathists, and Kurds) to form their own coalition. It didn't
happen and now it will be a political massacre at the polls.
Come February 1, the US should move its troops north to Kirkuk, guarantee
the Kurds autonomy, and let the rest of the Iraqis kill each other. We
haven't accomplished anything otherwise. It's been a war for nothing -
unless you consider replacing a non-Islamic government with an Islamic one
an accomplishment.
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is no need for an election, it's just a show. The audience are the
public in the West at much as the Iraqi people.
Bush needs an election so that he can declare "victory" before he retreats
in DEFEAT.
In Iraq, like the West, democracy is only an illusion conjured by the
ruling elite, because the leaders we vote for are so similar, and the
people have no influence on government policy between elections.
And, in our democracy, we didn't even elect the Neocon nutcases who got us
into, and then lost, this war. They were all appointed. Not a single one ran
for office. Being America's dumbest people and unable to hide it, they
couldn't win an election in any country, anywhere in the world, except
Israel.
And yet we got them.
And we have a democracy.
What went wrong? How can the greatest nation in the world with 250 million
people be ruled by its 50 dumbest?
::Clark::
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| User: "Count 1" |
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| Title: Re: In Iraq there can be no true democracy |
19 Dec 2004 10:23:24 AM |
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"John Berg" <johnberg@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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Can anyone make any sense of this rant? In the absence of "sense," we
have
nonsense.
John - that is the wisest thing you have said in this forum.
Congratulations.
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