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21 Feb 2006 05:46:57 PM |
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Re: Iraqi Police Tied to Death Squads. |
On 21 Feb 2006 15:36:08 -0800,
mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...
Iraqi Police Tied to Death Squads.
The Bush administration repeatedly has said the development of Iraq's
security forces must occur before withdrawal of U.S. troops can begin.
The U.S. military works closely with Iraqi army units, conducting joint
operations and sharing space on some military bases.
By contrast, police forces have evolved far more independently in
approximately 11,000 stations and outposts around the nation.
The result is a motley conglomeration of agencies under the Interior
Ministry with overlapping jurisdictions and poorly defined functions.
"You've got the facilities protection service, the public order
brigades, the commandos, the highway patrol, the regular police, the
traffic police, patrol officers," said a second U.S. military official.
"Who knows who they all are? Nobody controls them but the minister,"
the officer said, referring to Interior Minister Bayan Jabr.
Jabr, a Shiite with close ties to the Badr Brigade, a paramilitary
group, has been at the center of allegations of abuse at the hands of
Iraqi security forces.
The minister's notoriety rose last year as the bodies of hundreds of
men -- mostly Sunni Arabs -- started appearing in sewage treatment
plants, garbage dumps and desert ravines.
Most of the bodies showed signs of torture and execution-style
killings.
Many families of the deceased said their kin had last been seen in the
back of a police vehicle.
From The Los Angeles Times, 2/21/06:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-deathsquad21feb21,0,6612561.story?coll=la-headlines-world
Police Tied to Death Squads
U.S. military officials say they suspect Iraq's highway patrol, staffed
largely by Shiites, is deeply involved in torture and killings.
By Solomon Moore, Times Staff Writer
BAGHDAD --
A 1,500-member Iraqi police force with close ties to Shiite militia
groups has emerged as a focus of investigations into suspected death
squads working within the country's Interior Ministry.
Iraq's national highway patrol was established largely to stave off
insurgent attacks on roadways.
But U.S. military officials, interviewed over the last several days,
say they suspect the patrol of being deeply involved in illegal
detentions, torture and extrajudicial killings.
This is fairly well known but rarely admitted to. There's a power
struggle - aka low-level civil war - going on in Iraq between the
various religious factions and the key thing preventing full scale
civil war is the presence of occupying forces, but they too are a
good target for all sides.
I think it's called "Bush's Quagmire" and doubtless Hollywood will
make a film of it.
--
NuLav and Tory contempt for honesty and integrity is
only exceeded by their contempt for the British people.
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| User: "-Newsman-" |
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| Title: Re: Iraqi Police Tied to Death Squads. |
22 Feb 2006 07:08:25 PM |
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hummingbird wrote:
On 21 Feb 2006 15:36:08 -0800,
mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...
Iraqi Police Tied to Death Squads.
The Bush administration repeatedly has said the development of Iraq's
security forces must occur before withdrawal of U.S. troops can begin.
The U.S. military works closely with Iraqi army units, conducting joint
operations and sharing space on some military bases.
By contrast, police forces have evolved far more independently in
approximately 11,000 stations and outposts around the nation.
The result is a motley conglomeration of agencies under the Interior
Ministry with overlapping jurisdictions and poorly defined functions.
"You've got the facilities protection service, the public order
brigades, the commandos, the highway patrol, the regular police, the
traffic police, patrol officers," said a second U.S. military official.
"Who knows who they all are? Nobody controls them but the minister,"
the officer said, referring to Interior Minister Bayan Jabr.
Jabr, a Shiite with close ties to the Badr Brigade, a paramilitary
group, has been at the center of allegations of abuse at the hands of
Iraqi security forces.
The minister's notoriety rose last year as the bodies of hundreds of
men -- mostly Sunni Arabs -- started appearing in sewage treatment
plants, garbage dumps and desert ravines.
Most of the bodies showed signs of torture and execution-style
killings.
Many families of the deceased said their kin had last been seen in the
back of a police vehicle.
From The Los Angeles Times, 2/21/06:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-deathsquad21feb21,0,6612561.story?coll=la-headlines-world
Police Tied to Death Squads
U.S. military officials say they suspect Iraq's highway patrol, staffed
largely by Shiites, is deeply involved in torture and killings.
By Solomon Moore, Times Staff Writer
BAGHDAD --
A 1,500-member Iraqi police force with close ties to Shiite militia
groups has emerged as a focus of investigations into suspected death
squads working within the country's Interior Ministry.
Iraq's national highway patrol was established largely to stave off
insurgent attacks on roadways.
But U.S. military officials, interviewed over the last several days,
say they suspect the patrol of being deeply involved in illegal
detentions, torture and extrajudicial killings.
This is fairly well known but rarely admitted to. There's a power
struggle - aka low-level civil war - going on in Iraq between the
various religious factions and the key thing preventing full scale
civil war is the presence of occupying forces, but they too are a
good target for all sides.
I think it's called "Bush's Quagmire" and doubtless Hollywood will
make a film of it.
Only today as sectarian violence rapidly escalates, the Iraqi president
is actually warning of Civil War, in those words.
If a full scale civil war in Iraq materialises, what should Bush do
about it?
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| User: "Scuzza" |
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| Title: Re: Iraqi Police Tied to Death Squads. |
22 Feb 2006 11:24:23 PM |
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"-Newsman-" <slaybot@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:43fd0b14$1@clear.net.nz...
hummingbird wrote:
On 21 Feb 2006 15:36:08 -0800,
mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...
Iraqi Police Tied to Death Squads.
The Bush administration repeatedly has said the development of
Iraq's
security forces must occur before withdrawal of U.S. troops can
begin.
snip
I think it's called "Bush's Quagmire" and doubtless Hollywood will
make a film of it.
Only today as sectarian violence rapidly escalates, the Iraqi
president is actually warning of Civil War, in those words.
If a full scale civil war in Iraq materialises, what should Bush do
about it?
*****, real quick?
Which is what he should have done months ago. (But then if he had
enough sense to do that, he'd probably not be there in the 1st place.
Catch-22)
Oddly, considering today's news of open sectarian slaughter, a
newsletter I receive predicted 3 weeks ago that the US' less
conventional forces would begin to use the same tactics as the
"insurgents" in an effort to get them fighting amongst themselves.
It may just be coincidence, but when I heard the news this morning I
thought "here we go ..."
As a footnote, civil war has been going on in Iraq for decades; it has
simply been suppressed. Saddam was gassing and machine-gunning whole
towns, remember. The difference now is that Saddam is gone and the
coalition of the willing don't know how to keep the lid on.
Still, at least now that normal service has been restored, and the
crazies have gone back to murdering each other, we can stop worrying
about an Islamic invasion for another 500 years ... ... ... lol.
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| User: "hummingbird" |
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| Title: Re: Iraqi Police Tied to Death Squads. |
23 Feb 2006 09:32:49 AM |
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On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:08:25 +1300, -Newsman- <slaybot@hotmail.com>
mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...
hummingbird wrote:
On 21 Feb 2006 15:36:08 -0800,
mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...
Iraqi Police Tied to Death Squads.
The Bush administration repeatedly has said the development of Iraq's
security forces must occur before withdrawal of U.S. troops can begin.
The U.S. military works closely with Iraqi army units, conducting joint
operations and sharing space on some military bases.
By contrast, police forces have evolved far more independently in
approximately 11,000 stations and outposts around the nation.
The result is a motley conglomeration of agencies under the Interior
Ministry with overlapping jurisdictions and poorly defined functions.
"You've got the facilities protection service, the public order
brigades, the commandos, the highway patrol, the regular police, the
traffic police, patrol officers," said a second U.S. military official.
"Who knows who they all are? Nobody controls them but the minister,"
the officer said, referring to Interior Minister Bayan Jabr.
Jabr, a Shiite with close ties to the Badr Brigade, a paramilitary
group, has been at the center of allegations of abuse at the hands of
Iraqi security forces.
The minister's notoriety rose last year as the bodies of hundreds of
men -- mostly Sunni Arabs -- started appearing in sewage treatment
plants, garbage dumps and desert ravines.
Most of the bodies showed signs of torture and execution-style
killings.
Many families of the deceased said their kin had last been seen in the
back of a police vehicle.
From The Los Angeles Times, 2/21/06:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-deathsquad21feb21,0,6612561.story?coll=la-headlines-world
Police Tied to Death Squads
U.S. military officials say they suspect Iraq's highway patrol, staffed
largely by Shiites, is deeply involved in torture and killings.
By Solomon Moore, Times Staff Writer
BAGHDAD --
A 1,500-member Iraqi police force with close ties to Shiite militia
groups has emerged as a focus of investigations into suspected death
squads working within the country's Interior Ministry.
Iraq's national highway patrol was established largely to stave off
insurgent attacks on roadways.
But U.S. military officials, interviewed over the last several days,
say they suspect the patrol of being deeply involved in illegal
detentions, torture and extrajudicial killings.
This is fairly well known but rarely admitted to. There's a power
struggle - aka low-level civil war - going on in Iraq between the
various religious factions and the key thing preventing full scale
civil war is the presence of occupying forces, but they too are a
good target for all sides.
I think it's called "Bush's Quagmire" and doubtless Hollywood will
make a film of it.
Only today as sectarian violence rapidly escalates, the Iraqi president
is actually warning of Civil War, in those words.
If a full scale civil war in Iraq materialises, what should Bush do
about it?
He hasn't got many choices now. If he leaves, the civil war could
increase and rage out of control until the country is totally wrecked
(possibly leading to a fragmented Iraq) -or- he can stay and attempt
to hold the line but continue to be a pot-shot target for all sides.
He hasn't got the manpower to impose occupation law/order without
introducing the draft back home and even then he's short of money.
Estimates of the costs range from $1-2 trillion.
If the costs go much higher, the dollar will take it on the chin and
this would cause a domestic economic crises.
He's stuck in a quagmire.
At the moment he's still spinning the line that it's getting better
(and blaming the mess onto everybody else) but we know this is
untrue from a series of independent reports/analyses.
For many, elections are seen as a PR stunt for the voters back home.
The world should never allow Bush and Blair to deny that they created
this crises. Given Britain's experience in Iraq 90 years ago, Blair
must carry particular responsibility.
--
NuLav and Tory contempt for honesty and integrity is
only exceeded by their contempt for the British people.
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: Iraqi Police Tied to Death Squads. |
23 Feb 2006 12:38:08 PM |
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"hummingbird" <ZYLYDWINUSED@spammotel.com> wrote in message
news:2rjrv11dfefj7645rdd0kqocl01bpgdhnv@4ax.com...
At the moment he's still spinning the line that it's getting better
(and blaming the mess onto everybody else) but we know this is
untrue from a series of independent reports/analyses.
For many, elections are seen as a PR stunt for the voters back home.
Yea - we refer to them as the "US elections in Iraq".
When Bush and his followers call them Iraqi elections - it's misleading.
--
There's only two things Militant Christians respond to...
Violence against their persons and Seizure of their property.
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| User: "hummingbird" |
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| Title: Re: Iraqi Police Tied to Death Squads. |
23 Feb 2006 01:26:51 PM |
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On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:38:08 GMT, "Sanders Kaufman"
<bucky@kaufman.net>
mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...
"hummingbird" <ZYLYDWINUSED@spammotel.com> wrote in message
news:2rjrv11dfefj7645rdd0kqocl01bpgdhnv@4ax.com...
At the moment he's still spinning the line that it's getting better
(and blaming the mess onto everybody else) but we know this is
untrue from a series of independent reports/analyses.
For many, elections are seen as a PR stunt for the voters back home.
Yea - we refer to them as the "US elections in Iraq".
When Bush and his followers call them Iraqi elections - it's misleading.
Happily, many more Americans are now beginning to question the wisdom
and honesty of Bush's flawed adventure.
--
Full details of the Blair Govt's fake ricin plot exposed:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,,1585130,00.html
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