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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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11 Nov 2007 07:30:54 AM |
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Re: Liberal Trust Irony (you can't trust them...trust me) |
On Nov 10, 6:41 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
There are people who are studied to know theology (such as myself).
There is nothing in theology to "know". It is all opinion.
Are you going to take my word on it?
Certainly not. You have a track record of being wrong about
everything.
There are trained people in medicine that protest every liberal philosophy. Why don't you believe
them?
There are no facts in philosophy either. It is all opinion.
Indeed, there are SCIENTISTS that object to evolution (with advance degrees). Are you going to listen to them?
Only if they actually know something about what they are talking
about.
In a disagreement between someone who knows what he is talking about
and someone who does not, I will tend to believe the person who knows
what he is talking about.
lojbab
Thus...my point. Liberals TRUST people in their own camp and distrust
others...degrees have nothing to do with it.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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| Title: Re: Liberal Trust Irony (you can't trust them...trust me) |
11 Nov 2007 08:28:52 AM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
Indeed, there are SCIENTISTS that object to evolution (with advance degrees). Are you going to listen to them?
Only if they actually know something about what they are talking
about.
In a disagreement between someone who knows what he is talking about
and someone who does not, I will tend to believe the person who knows
what he is talking about.
Thus...my point. Liberals TRUST people in their own camp and distrust
others.
I dunno about "liberals", but intelligent people "trust but verify"
anything of importance, and accord a hypothetical level of trust to
less important matters based on their prior experience with the person
who is making the statement, and the topic of the statement.
Religion being a topic where relatively few make intelligent
statements, one is wise not to trust anything written in that topic.
If anything can be trusted on such a topic, it needs to be neutrally
written with fair presentation given to multiple sides of an issue.
degrees have nothing to do with it.
Degrees have little to do with it, being one way to assign a
hypothetical level of trust as to the qualifications of an unknown
person in a field about which one knows little.
In science, a researcher gains hypothetical trust not by having a
degree, but by having published on the subject in question in
peer-reviewed journals.
lojbab
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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| Title: Re: Liberal Trust Irony (you can't trust them...trust me) |
11 Nov 2007 04:03:37 PM |
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On Nov 11, 8:28 am, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Indeed, there are SCIENTISTS that object to evolution (with advance degrees). Are you going to listen to them?
Only if they actually know something about what they are talking
about.
In a disagreement between someone who knows what he is talking about
and someone who does not, I will tend to believe the person who knows
what he is talking about.
Thus...my point. Liberals TRUST people in their own camp and distrust
others.
I dunno about "liberals", but intelligent people "trust but verify"
anything of importance, and accord a hypothetical level of trust to
less important matters based on their prior experience with the person
who is making the statement, and the topic of the statement.
Religion being a topic where relatively few make intelligent
statements, one is wise not to trust anything written in that topic.
If anything can be trusted on such a topic, it needs to be neutrally
written with fair presentation given to multiple sides of an issue.
degrees have nothing to do with it.
Degrees have little to do with it, being one way to assign a
hypothetical level of trust as to the qualifications of an unknown
person in a field about which one knows little.
In science, a researcher gains hypothetical trust not by having a
degree, but by having published on the subject in question in
peer-reviewed journals.
lojbab
Stay tuned for the Ben Stein documentary coming in Jan-Feb, Expelled:
No Intelligence Allowed, that documents highly degreed and published
professors and scientists that were expelled from those circles after
subscribing to Intelligent Design. However, I'm sure you know all
about them, having researched before concluding and all.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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| Title: Re: Liberal Trust Irony (you can't trust them...trust me) |
11 Nov 2007 06:36:54 PM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
Degrees have little to do with it, being one way to assign a
hypothetical level of trust as to the qualifications of an unknown
person in a field about which one knows little.
In science, a researcher gains hypothetical trust not by having a
degree, but by having published on the subject in question in
peer-reviewed journals.
Stay tuned for the Ben Stein documentary coming in Jan-Feb, Expelled:
No Intelligence Allowed, that documents highly degreed and published
professors and scientists that were expelled from those circles after
subscribing to Intelligent Design. However, I'm sure you know all
about them, having researched before concluding and all.
Acting like an idiot, which is what any scientist supporting ID is
doing, is good reason to lose trust in their statements.
lojbab
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Liberal Trust Irony (you can't trust them...trust me) |
13 Nov 2007 11:48:21 AM |
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Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org>
Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
Degrees have little to do with it, being one way to assign a
hypothetical level of trust as to the qualifications of an unknown
person in a field about which one knows little.
In science, a researcher gains hypothetical trust not by having a
degree, but by having published on the subject in question in
peer-reviewed journals.
Stay tuned for the Ben Stein documentary coming in Jan-Feb, Expelled:
No Intelligence Allowed, that documents highly degreed and published
professors and scientists that were expelled from those circles after
subscribing to Intelligent Design. However, I'm sure you know all
about them, having researched before concluding and all.
Acting like an idiot, which is what any scientist supporting ID is
doing, is good reason to lose trust in their statements.
I'm betting we get to see double-PhD (one in molecular
and cell biology) Jonathan Wells.
-- cary
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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| Title: Re: Liberal Trust Irony (you can't trust them...trust me) |
12 Nov 2007 08:58:48 AM |
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On Nov 11, 6:36 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Degrees have little to do with it, being one way to assign a
hypothetical level of trust as to the qualifications of an unknown
person in a field about which one knows little.
In science, a researcher gains hypothetical trust not by having a
degree, but by having published on the subject in question in
peer-reviewed journals.
Stay tuned for the Ben Stein documentary coming in Jan-Feb, Expelled:
No Intelligence Allowed, that documents highly degreed and published
professors and scientists that were expelled from those circles after
subscribing to Intelligent Design. However, I'm sure you know all
about them, having researched before concluding and all.
Acting like an idiot, which is what any scientist supporting ID is
doing, is good reason to lose trust in their statements.
lojbab
So much for listening to those qualified (or trusting scientists) by
degree, experience, or publishing (your own requirements
given)...right? You are the ideal example of my post, saying...in
essence...you cannot trust them, trust me.
Then again, why said YOU need to be qualified to be trusted, right?
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Liberal Trust Irony (you can't trust them...trust me) |
13 Nov 2007 11:56:22 AM |
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In article <1194879528.412167.110800@v65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> writes:
On Nov 11, 6:36 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Degrees have little to do with it, being one way to assign a
hypothetical level of trust as to the qualifications of an unknown
person in a field about which one knows little.
In science, a researcher gains hypothetical trust not by having a
degree, but by having published on the subject in question in
peer-reviewed journals.
Stay tuned for the Ben Stein documentary coming in Jan-Feb, Expelled:
No Intelligence Allowed, that documents highly degreed and published
professors and scientists that were expelled from those circles after
subscribing to Intelligent Design. However, I'm sure you know all
about them, having researched before concluding and all.
Acting like an idiot, which is what any scientist supporting ID is
doing, is good reason to lose trust in their statements.
lojbab
So much for listening to those qualified (or trusting scientists) by
degree, experience, or publishing (your own requirements
given)...right?
I've been reading in biology and evolution for thirty-five
years. The number of practicing biologists who do not
subscribe to the theory of evolution is miniscule.
If you can trot out one biologist who rejects the theory --
and do note that I said "biologist"; with a few exceptions the
critics will have degrees in any field but -- will you then listen
to a hundred biologists I trot out who will give reasons
to the contrary?
-- cary
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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| Title: Re: Liberal Trust Irony (you can't trust them...trust me) |
12 Nov 2007 12:46:52 PM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 11, 6:36 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Degrees have little to do with it, being one way to assign a
hypothetical level of trust as to the qualifications of an unknown
person in a field about which one knows little.
In science, a researcher gains hypothetical trust not by having a
degree, but by having published on the subject in question in
peer-reviewed journals.
Stay tuned for the Ben Stein documentary coming in Jan-Feb, Expelled:
No Intelligence Allowed, that documents highly degreed and published
professors and scientists that were expelled from those circles after
subscribing to Intelligent Design. However, I'm sure you know all
about them, having researched before concluding and all.
Acting like an idiot, which is what any scientist supporting ID is
doing, is good reason to lose trust in their statements.
So much for listening to those qualified (or trusting scientists) by
degree, experience, or publishing (your own requirements
given)...right?
I said that those were means by which a scientist gains trust. I did
not say that trust so gained could not be lost.
You are the ideal example of my post, saying...in
essence...you cannot trust them, trust me.
I don't care whether people trust me - they are welcome to check for
themselves. I know that a fair number do trust me, and I appreciate
it. It tells me that I have demonstrated a reasonable degree of
intellectual integrity, a concept you have no comprehension of.
Then again, why said YOU need to be qualified to be trusted, right?
If I am qualified to be trusted, it is by those who have read my
postings over several years, checked a large number of them, and
agreed with my interpretation. That constitutes peer review and
acceptance.
lojbab
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