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"The User Name That Says BAD_MOTHERFUCKER On It" |
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13 Jul 2003 02:05:29 PM |
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Re: OT: Endus and other people smarter than me: 9/11? |
(evanescent for life) wrote in
news:6a7d47c7.0307131100.480205dc@posting.google.com:
if -- WTC-7 was deliberately demolished, so what? No-one died
in the collapse. Had they informed the world that they bombed
that building, people would start to think they bombed all
buildings.
I like it when you answer your own questions. So what, indeed.
All three were owned by the same new owner, who insured them all to
the hilt against terrorism. The towers changed hands for the first
time ever about a month before 9/11, I believe.
So what is the conclusion? That the new owner arranged for a huge
terrorist attack so he could claim his insurance jackpot?
I have no doubt that it was al-Qaeda terrorists who hijacked air-
liners and rammed them into the twin towers, which both collapsed
because of the damage as described in that site I linked. There is
overwhelming evidence to support it. (I don't know whether you even
disagree about this.) I've read some hilarious conspiracy theories
claiming that there were NO planes hitting the towers at all. No
planes when there were students and other people calling their
relatives in other countries immediately after it had happened,
people who saw the planes in the sky and not just on the tv screens
etc.
Now WTC-7, I don't know what happened there, maybe somebody (gov,
owner, whoever) blew it up in their own interests, the owner appears
to have had a motive (he had to act fast though), I don't know about
the gov, but this is still a side issue in contrast with the actual
terrorist attack where thousands of lives were lost, hence "so what".
When people get into discussion about WTC-7 I always get this feeling
that the possible foul play involved in that is somehow supposed to
validate the craziest conspiracy theories about the actual terrorist
attack. It doesn't validate any conspiracy theory about the twin
towers even if Dubya himself bombed down WTC-7. If it collapsed
because of a controlled explosion in the basement, I'd call it a
well-timed piece of opportunism.
With a fuckload of planted evidence.
Korans in strip clubs...flight manuals in Arabic...Fireproof passports...
The only conspiracy theory about 911 that is at all believable would
be that they let it all happen and didn't try to stop it. That's
conspiracy theory enough. Not that I'd believe it, I think it was
nothing but incompetence.
Pilots disarmed...air bases gutted...no defenses at all...
Dubya was briefed by CIA about a potential
large scale terrorist attack in August 2001, but because similar
memos were floating about earlier and nothing had happened they
didn't think it was that serious. Whether the gov was incompetent
and negligent, now that is a relevant question, and the answer is
likely to be in the positive, but all these conspiracy theories are
madness... it's possible to turn almost anything into a conspiracy
theory.
Make sure you ignore the Pentagon. Oh, yes.
It's where all your media-induced delusions fall apart.
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http://www.mp3.com/measurerecs.
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| User: "evanescent for life" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Endus and other people smarter than me: 9/11? |
14 Jul 2003 01:53:41 PM |
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With a fuckload of planted evidence.
Korans in strip clubs...
Never heard that one. I only read they left some Islamic books
behind when they checked out of their last hotel. I've read articles
about their strip club pleasures, but I can't recall any mention
of them reading Qu'ran in there.
flight manuals in Arabic...
Even if it was a somber day, that one cracked me up when they
reported they found them in a car. But they were not necessarily
planted, because it was mentioned in some long well-researched
article chronichling Atta's cell's activities before Sept.11 that
he had bought Arabic flight manuals and Boeing model specific
flight videos with his credit card or something like that. It might
be risky to carry a flying manual with you if you had to go through
a more thorough check-in at the airport with staff rummaging through
your baggage. Atta definitely seemed confident, even arrogant enough
to be foolhardy, but he was not stupid. If I was him, I would've
left that stuff behind too, but I certainly wouldn't have taken the
extra risks they did, when they almost missed their flight, raged
about America seeing blood the next day etc.
Fireproof passports...
What are you specifically referring to? Not everything was destroyed
on impact, a lot of stuff from the airplanes flew out the WTC before
the big collapse. Who's passport was it? Let's say it was Atta's.
He was in the cockpit steering the plane and had a passport in his
pocket on impact, so would it really be that impossible if it was
found in readable condition? Had he been in the rear of the plane
and got stuck in the eye of the raging fire when the plane went
into the building it would be a different thing.
If you're talking about passports just found somewhere, they might
have left them behind intentionally so the terrorists' names could
be quickly established and Allah's "glory" guided to the right men
in the aftermath.
There are a lot of possibilities, planting is just one of them
and hardly the most convincing, because the US officials had all
the data of the people on the flights anyway, so terrorist pass-
ports hardly have that much significance, certainly not enough
to plant them.
Did the US make the al-Qaeda videos with bin Laden and the
terrorists' last words as well?
It's where all your media-induced delusions fall apart.
I'm not saying everything official is the truth, nothing of the
sort, I'm just saying that it's stupid to cook up all kinds of
wild conspiracy theories, because _anything_ can be turned into
one.
For the biggest 911 related conspiracy theories to work even
hypothetically, you'd need the whole al-Qaeda and related Islamic
fundamendalist movements to be a CIA cover/puppet.
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| User: "Dippi" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Endus and other people smarter than me: 9/11? |
14 Jul 2003 03:12:52 PM |
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"evanescent for life" <eye_knowledge@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6a7d47c7.0307141053.6ac99f00@posting.google.com...
With a fuckload of planted evidence.
Korans in strip clubs...
Never heard that one. I only read they left some Islamic books
behind when they checked out of their last hotel. I've read articles
about their strip club pleasures, but I can't recall any mention
of them reading Qu'ran in there.
flight manuals in Arabic...
Even if it was a somber day, that one cracked me up when they
reported they found them in a car. But they were not necessarily
planted, because it was mentioned in some long well-researched
article chronichling Atta's cell's activities before Sept.11 that
he had bought Arabic flight manuals and Boeing model specific
flight videos with his credit card or something like that. It might
be risky to carry a flying manual with you if you had to go through
a more thorough check-in at the airport with staff rummaging through
your baggage. Atta definitely seemed confident, even arrogant enough
to be foolhardy, but he was not stupid. If I was him, I would've
left that stuff behind too, but I certainly wouldn't have taken the
extra risks they did, when they almost missed their flight, raged
about America seeing blood the next day etc.
Fireproof passports...
What are you specifically referring to? Not everything was destroyed
on impact, a lot of stuff from the airplanes flew out the WTC before
the big collapse. Who's passport was it? Let's say it was Atta's.
He was in the cockpit steering the plane and had a passport in his
pocket on impact, so would it really be that impossible if it was
found in readable condition? Had he been in the rear of the plane
and got stuck in the eye of the raging fire when the plane went
into the building it would be a different thing.
If you're talking about passports just found somewhere, they might
have left them behind intentionally so the terrorists' names could
be quickly established and Allah's "glory" guided to the right men
in the aftermath.
There are a lot of possibilities, planting is just one of them
and hardly the most convincing, because the US officials had all
the data of the people on the flights anyway, so terrorist pass-
ports hardly have that much significance, certainly not enough
to plant them.
Did the US make the al-Qaeda videos with bin Laden and the
terrorists' last words as well?
theres one with their last words? I havn't seen that... i really want to sit
down with someone i know who actually speaks that language and have them
translate for me... i dont trust anything the government translates... plus
i stopped payin attention when there were more bin laden videos on tv than
puffy videos
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| User: "The User Name That Says BAD_MOTHERFUCKER On It" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Endus and other people smarter than me: 9/11? |
14 Jul 2003 03:44:34 PM |
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"Dippi" <dippihiphop@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:89EQa.22102$QD2.3390069@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net:
"evanescent for life" <eye_knowledge@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6a7d47c7.0307141053.6ac99f00@posting.google.com...
With a fuckload of planted evidence.
Korans in strip clubs...
Never heard that one. I only read they left some Islamic books
behind when they checked out of their last hotel. I've read articles
about their strip club pleasures, but I can't recall any mention
of them reading Qu'ran in there.
flight manuals in Arabic...
Even if it was a somber day, that one cracked me up when they
reported they found them in a car. But they were not necessarily
planted, because it was mentioned in some long well-researched
article chronichling Atta's cell's activities before Sept.11 that
he had bought Arabic flight manuals and Boeing model specific
flight videos with his credit card or something like that. It might
be risky to carry a flying manual with you if you had to go through
a more thorough check-in at the airport with staff rummaging through
your baggage. Atta definitely seemed confident, even arrogant enough
to be foolhardy, but he was not stupid. If I was him, I would've
left that stuff behind too, but I certainly wouldn't have taken the
extra risks they did, when they almost missed their flight, raged
about America seeing blood the next day etc.
Fireproof passports...
What are you specifically referring to? Not everything was destroyed
on impact, a lot of stuff from the airplanes flew out the WTC before
the big collapse. Who's passport was it? Let's say it was Atta's.
He was in the cockpit steering the plane and had a passport in his
pocket on impact, so would it really be that impossible if it was
found in readable condition? Had he been in the rear of the plane
and got stuck in the eye of the raging fire when the plane went
into the building it would be a different thing.
If you're talking about passports just found somewhere, they might
have left them behind intentionally so the terrorists' names could
be quickly established and Allah's "glory" guided to the right men
in the aftermath.
There are a lot of possibilities, planting is just one of them
and hardly the most convincing, because the US officials had all
the data of the people on the flights anyway, so terrorist pass-
ports hardly have that much significance, certainly not enough
to plant them.
Did the US make the al-Qaeda videos with bin Laden and the
terrorists' last words as well?
theres one with their last words? I havn't seen that... i really want
to sit down with someone i know who actually speaks that language and
have them translate for me... i dont trust anything the government
translates... plus i stopped payin attention when there were more bin
laden videos on tv than puffy videos
There is no such video...
--
Can I borrow a feeling?
http://www.mp3.com/gortician
Bass for your *****:
http://www.mp3.com/manticore
http://www.mp3.com/meterversusyard
http://www.mp3.com/highc
http://www.mp3.com/measurerecs.
"[The artwork of Andrew Penland] is REAL...what I mean by "real" is that
it made NEW THOUGHTS occur in my head, which would have never otherwise
occurred." --Full Force Frank
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| User: "Dippi" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Endus and other people smarter than me: 9/11? |
15 Jul 2003 12:50:13 AM |
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"The User Name That Says BAD_MOTHERFUCKER On It" <spamspamspam@spam.spam>
wrote in message news:Xns93B8A2408367Cspamspamspamspamspam@65.82.44.187...
"Dippi" <dippihiphop@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:89EQa.22102$QD2.3390069@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net:
"evanescent for life" <eye_knowledge@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6a7d47c7.0307141053.6ac99f00@posting.google.com...
With a fuckload of planted evidence.
Korans in strip clubs...
Never heard that one. I only read they left some Islamic books
behind when they checked out of their last hotel. I've read articles
about their strip club pleasures, but I can't recall any mention
of them reading Qu'ran in there.
flight manuals in Arabic...
Even if it was a somber day, that one cracked me up when they
reported they found them in a car. But they were not necessarily
planted, because it was mentioned in some long well-researched
article chronichling Atta's cell's activities before Sept.11 that
he had bought Arabic flight manuals and Boeing model specific
flight videos with his credit card or something like that. It might
be risky to carry a flying manual with you if you had to go through
a more thorough check-in at the airport with staff rummaging through
your baggage. Atta definitely seemed confident, even arrogant enough
to be foolhardy, but he was not stupid. If I was him, I would've
left that stuff behind too, but I certainly wouldn't have taken the
extra risks they did, when they almost missed their flight, raged
about America seeing blood the next day etc.
Fireproof passports...
What are you specifically referring to? Not everything was destroyed
on impact, a lot of stuff from the airplanes flew out the WTC before
the big collapse. Who's passport was it? Let's say it was Atta's.
He was in the cockpit steering the plane and had a passport in his
pocket on impact, so would it really be that impossible if it was
found in readable condition? Had he been in the rear of the plane
and got stuck in the eye of the raging fire when the plane went
into the building it would be a different thing.
If you're talking about passports just found somewhere, they might
have left them behind intentionally so the terrorists' names could
be quickly established and Allah's "glory" guided to the right men
in the aftermath.
There are a lot of possibilities, planting is just one of them
and hardly the most convincing, because the US officials had all
the data of the people on the flights anyway, so terrorist pass-
ports hardly have that much significance, certainly not enough
to plant them.
Did the US make the al-Qaeda videos with bin Laden and the
terrorists' last words as well?
theres one with their last words? I havn't seen that... i really want
to sit down with someone i know who actually speaks that language and
have them translate for me... i dont trust anything the government
translates... plus i stopped payin attention when there were more bin
laden videos on tv than puffy videos
There is no such video...
I thought so
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| User: "evanescent for life" |
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15 Jul 2003 08:22:14 AM |
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There is no such video...
Yes, you are right in that there is no video with all the terrorists
in front of the camera.
But there is a video where bin Laden -- or another al-Qaeda leader,
can't remember -- names at least some if not all the hijackers. Of
course, he could've got the names from the media, but that wouldn't
make any sense.
In addition to that there is at least one hijacker that has appeared
on a video (broadcast on al-Jazeera) talking to the camera and hinting
at an upcoming suicide mission. A friend of mine, who is a student
of Arabic culture, says he's seen another hijacker on a similar video.
Of course it's impossible to prove whether they genuinely are the
hijackers and not just lookalikes or whatever.
In any case the evidence for the existence of these al-Qaeda hijackers
and for the actual hijackings and al-Qaeda involvement is overwhelming.
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| User: "The User Name That Says BAD_MOTHERFUCKER On It" |
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15 Jul 2003 11:02:52 AM |
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(evanescent for life) wrote in
news:6a7d47c7.0307150522.7538ff5d@posting.google.com:
There is no such video...
Yes, you are right in that there is no video with all the terrorists
in front of the camera.
But there is a video where bin Laden -- or another al-Qaeda leader,
can't remember --
At least your memory is untainted.
names at least some if not all the hijackers. Of
course, he could've got the names from the media, but that wouldn't
make any sense.
First any of us have heard of this. Say, do you have a link to this case-
breaking evidence?
No?
I thought so.
In addition to that there is at least one hijacker that has appeared
on a video (broadcast on al-Jazeera) talking to the camera and hinting
at an upcoming suicide mission. A friend of mine, who is a student
of Arabic culture, says he's seen another hijacker on a similar video.
Of course it's impossible to prove whether they genuinely are the
hijackers and not just lookalikes or whatever.
Links, proof? Schoolyard speculation is not what is needed, here.
In any case the evidence for the existence of these al-Qaeda hijackers
and for the actual hijackings and al-Qaeda involvement is overwhelming.
Even the faked video?
Doh!
--
Can I borrow a feeling?
http://www.mp3.com/gortician
Bass for your *****:
http://www.mp3.com/manticore
http://www.mp3.com/meterversusyard
http://www.mp3.com/highc
http://www.mp3.com/measurerecs.
"[The artwork of Andrew Penland] is REAL...what I mean by "real" is that
it made NEW THOUGHTS occur in my head, which would have never otherwise
occurred." --Full Force Frank
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| User: "The User Name That Says BAD_MOTHERFUCKER On It" |
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14 Jul 2003 01:49:28 PM |
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(evanescent for life) wrote in
news:6a7d47c7.0307141053.6ac99f00@posting.google.com:
With a fuckload of planted evidence.
Korans in strip clubs...
Never heard that one. I only read they left some Islamic books
behind when they checked out of their last hotel. I've read articles
about their strip club pleasures, but I can't recall any mention
of them reading Qu'ran in there.
You're ignorant.
flight manuals in Arabic...
Even if it was a somber day, that one cracked me up when they
reported they found them in a car. But they were not necessarily
planted, because it was mentioned in some long well-researched
article chronichling Atta's cell's activities before Sept.11 that
he had bought Arabic flight manuals and Boeing model specific
flight videos with his credit card or something like that. It might
be risky to carry a flying manual with you if you had to go through
a more thorough check-in at the airport with staff rummaging through
your baggage. Atta definitely seemed confident, even arrogant enough
to be foolhardy, but he was not stupid. If I was him, I would've
left that stuff behind too, but I certainly wouldn't have taken the
extra risks they did, when they almost missed their flight, raged
about America seeing blood the next day etc.
Yeah. Cracks me up.
Fireproof passports...
What are you specifically referring to? Not everything was destroyed
on impact, a lot of stuff from the airplanes flew out the WTC before
the big collapse. Who's passport was it? Let's say it was Atta's.
It wasn't. Ignorant.
He was in the cockpit steering the plane and had a passport in his
pocket on impact, so would it really be that impossible if it was
found in readable condition? Had he been in the rear of the plane
and got stuck in the eye of the raging fire when the plane went
into the building it would be a different thing.
You're just being silly.
If you're talking about passports just found somewhere, they might
have left them behind intentionally so the terrorists' names could
be quickly established and Allah's "glory" guided to the right men
in the aftermath.
You really have no idea what you're babbling on about, do you?
There are a lot of possibilities, planting is just one of them
and hardly the most convincing, because the US officials had all
the data of the people on the flights anyway, so terrorist pass-
ports hardly have that much significance, certainly not enough
to plant them.
You're funny.
Did the US make the al-Qaeda videos with bin Laden and the
terrorists' last words as well?
Wow. Spit the hook, dummy.
It's where all your media-induced delusions fall apart.
I'm not saying everything official is the truth, nothing of the
sort, I'm just saying that it's stupid to cook up all kinds of
wild conspiracy theories, because _anything_ can be turned into
one.
The only wild conspiracy is that 20 arabs did this on their own.
For the biggest 911 related conspiracy theories to work even
hypothetically, you'd need the whole al-Qaeda and related Islamic
fundamendalist movements to be a CIA cover/puppet.
Guh? Who funded all that Afghanistan ***** in the first place?
I'm sorry. You're so ill-informed, I can't take time to educate you. Do
some reading.
--
Can I borrow a feeling?
http://www.mp3.com/gortician
Bass for your *****:
http://www.mp3.com/manticore
http://www.mp3.com/meterversusyard
http://www.mp3.com/highc
http://www.mp3.com/measurerecs.
"[The artwork of Andrew Penland] is REAL...what I mean by "real" is that
it made NEW THOUGHTS occur in my head, which would have never otherwise
occurred." --Full Force Frank
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| User: "Enemy Combatant" |
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| Title: Re: 9/11 and the typical American |
29 Jul 2003 07:58:19 PM |
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"The User Name That Says BAD_MOTHERFUCKER On It" <spamspamspam@spam.spam>
wrote in news:Xns93B88EBBB12CFspamspamspamspamspam@65.82.44.187:
eye_knowledge@hotmail.com (evanescent for life) wrote in
news:6a7d47c7.0307141053.6ac99f00@posting.google.com:
With a fuckload of planted evidence.
Korans in strip clubs...
Never heard that one. I only read they left some Islamic books
behind when they checked out of their last hotel. I've read articles
about their strip club pleasures, but I can't recall any mention
of them reading Qu'ran in there.
You're ignorant.
flight manuals in Arabic...
Even if it was a somber day, that one cracked me up when they
reported they found them in a car. But they were not necessarily
planted, because it was mentioned in some long well-researched
article chronichling Atta's cell's activities before Sept.11 that
he had bought Arabic flight manuals and Boeing model specific
flight videos with his credit card or something like that. It might
be risky to carry a flying manual with you if you had to go through
a more thorough check-in at the airport with staff rummaging through
your baggage. Atta definitely seemed confident, even arrogant enough
to be foolhardy, but he was not stupid. If I was him, I would've
left that stuff behind too, but I certainly wouldn't have taken the
extra risks they did, when they almost missed their flight, raged
about America seeing blood the next day etc.
Yeah. Cracks me up.
Fireproof passports...
What are you specifically referring to? Not everything was destroyed
on impact, a lot of stuff from the airplanes flew out the WTC before
the big collapse. Who's passport was it? Let's say it was Atta's.
It wasn't. Ignorant.
He was in the cockpit steering the plane and had a passport in his
pocket on impact, so would it really be that impossible if it was
found in readable condition? Had he been in the rear of the plane
and got stuck in the eye of the raging fire when the plane went
into the building it would be a different thing.
You're just being silly.
If you're talking about passports just found somewhere, they might
have left them behind intentionally so the terrorists' names could
be quickly established and Allah's "glory" guided to the right men
in the aftermath.
You really have no idea what you're babbling on about, do you?
There are a lot of possibilities, planting is just one of them
and hardly the most convincing, because the US officials had all
the data of the people on the flights anyway, so terrorist pass-
ports hardly have that much significance, certainly not enough
to plant them.
You're funny.
Did the US make the al-Qaeda videos with bin Laden and the
terrorists' last words as well?
Wow. Spit the hook, dummy.
It's where all your media-induced delusions fall apart.
I'm not saying everything official is the truth, nothing of the
sort, I'm just saying that it's stupid to cook up all kinds of
wild conspiracy theories, because _anything_ can be turned into
one.
The only wild conspiracy is that 20 arabs did this on their own.
For the biggest 911 related conspiracy theories to work even
hypothetically, you'd need the whole al-Qaeda and related Islamic
fundamendalist movements to be a CIA cover/puppet.
Guh? Who funded all that Afghanistan ***** in the first place?
I'm sorry. You're so ill-informed, I can't take time to educate you. Do
some reading.
Nothing can counter the mindlessness of the general public.
--
Can I borrow a feeling?
http://www.mp3.com/gortician
Bass for your *****:
http://www.mp3.com/manticore
http://www.mp3.com/meterversusyard
http://www.mp3.com/highc
http://www.mp3.com/measurerecs.
"[The artwork of Andrew Penland] is REAL...what I mean by "real" is that
it made NEW THOUGHTS occur in my head, which would have never otherwise
occurred." --Full Force Frank
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