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Re: Please Don't Support My Troop |
REPOSTED TO BROADEN DISTRIBUTION
Rudolph W. Giuliani wrote:
Please Don't Support My Troop
By Michael Gaddy
10/12/05 "ICH" -- -- My son returned from Iraq last weekend after a
year's service. I confess to breathing much easier now that he is out
of that quagmire.
I have a personal request for all of you George W. Bush supporters and
Christian warhawks: please do not support my troop. I have visions and
aspirations of having him around, seeing him settle down and start a
family at some point, and being near as I grow older. Your support
would mean that he would be sent back to this war started and continued
on lies to become a target for those who would rather live their lives
without the interference of a foreign, empire-seeking, new-world-order,
invader.
Actually, my son completed his contractual obligation to the military
several months ago, but thanks to your support, he has been stop-lossed
and has no idea when he will be allowed to resign his commission.
Why would I not want your support for my troop, you ask? Considering
your support of our criminal government has led to the death,
destruction and misery of millions of people on this planet, that is
basically a no-brainer.
Of course you supported the troops back in WWII and thought that was a
good thing, but somewhere along the line your support of the State led
to the leaving behind of over 20,000 of our soldiers, those liberated
from German POW camps by the Russians, never to be heard from again.
I'm sure those families appreciated your support.
Back in 1950, you supported my father as he left my mother and me to go
to war in Korea. He never returned, giving his life somewhere in that
foreign land. Because of the loss of my father, my mother put a vodka
bottle to her head and pulled the trigger. Your wonderful support took
both my parents. Thanks again!
Your continued support in Korea led to the abandonment of over 8,000
POW's and MIA's to the enemy. Do you wonder why many find your
support lacking? Just ask the families of those who have been left
behind by this government you support blindly.
Some of you supported us as we went to the jungles of Southeast Asia;
some chose not to. The results were the same; with or without your
support, our criminal government cares nothing for those in uniform!
Those of you who supported us claimed that those who didn't were
responsible for us losing the war. Horse Apples! We lost that war for
the same reason we will lose the one in Iraq: wars started on lies to
increase the bottom line of campaign contributors are seldom won
because the war must be extended for as long as possible to insure the
corporatocracy gets a full return on its money. There is a black
granite wall in DC so all of you warhawks can go there and read the
names of the 58,000+ charred souls you killed with your support. Just
exactly where did that get us? Does Vietnam have a "democracy" today?
Your continued support for a corrupt government led to over 2,000
military personnel being left behind in that war; with grieving
families never knowing what happened to their loved ones.
Your support in Beirut cost the lives of hundreds of Marines and
Soldiers as people who wanted us to hell out of their country destroyed
our soldiers' poorly protected barracks. Please give me the upside to
this loss. Is Lebanon better off today because those good soldiers gave
their lives?
I can still see the faces of the young Army Rangers that were killed in
the illegal invasion of Panama. With your support, they gave their
lives to assist in serving a drug warrant on a foreign Head of State,
one our government had supported for years. Is it not ironic that we
later went to war with Iraq for doing to Kuwait the same thing you
supported our soldiers doing to Panama?
Your wonderful support led to the unspeakable horrors inflicted on
those soldiers who were in Somalia! You should be especially proud of
that one. Those dead soldiers dragged through the streets would not
have been there had it not been for your "support." If you have trouble
remembering this, some time spent with the book Black Hawk Down should
jog your memory.
Only in a true Orwellian society could citizens send off poorly trained
and equipped soldiers, serving in a politically correct military, led
by a civilian leadership that has spent the majority of their adult
lives in a revolving door between the military industrial complex and
government service, and call the damn thing, "supporting the troops."
Why do we call people who prefer to live their lives without having
their land bombed, their women, children and old folks killed, their
national infrastructure destroyed and foreign soldiers on their soil,
terrorists? Have you ever wondered what word the American Indian had
for the U.S. government back in the middle to late 19th Century?
History tells us we referred to them as "savages" and "those Red
Devils" because they fought and died for their land and their culture.
What did our ancestors call the British who were doing to the colonists
precisely what our government does to others today?
Time to come clean, America: you do not in any way support troops by
sending them to die for Halliburton and Bechtel's bottom line. This
is analogous to sending your teenager out in a car with no brakes and
bald tires, accompanied by a child rapist high on crystal meth, and
calling that "supporting" your children.
Rush Limbaugh was actually right for a change: there can be no support
for the troops without supporting the war and the government that sent
them there. Your misplaced support for the troops is actually support
for a criminal enterprise in which the military serves as the
enforcement arm of that enterprise. If you want to support the troops,
do not allow the State to send them to their deaths for corporate
profits in wars sired by lies!
Michael Gaddy, <mgnc46@yahoo.com> is an U.S. Army veteran of Vietnam,
Grenada, and Beirut, lives in the Four Corners area of the American
Southwest.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10606.htm
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| User: "enialle" |
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| Title: Re: Please Don't Support My Troop |
17 Oct 2005 12:03:29 AM |
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 00:53:08 -0400, Defendario
<Defendario@netscape.com> wrote:
REPOSTED TO BROADEN DISTRIBUTION
Rudolph W. Giuliani wrote:
Please Don't Support My Troop
By Michael Gaddy
10/12/05 "ICH" -- -- My son returned from Iraq last weekend after a
year's service. I confess to breathing much easier now that he is out
of that quagmire.
I have a personal request for all of you George W. Bush supporters and
Christian warhawks: please do not support my troop. I have visions and
aspirations of having him around, seeing him settle down and start a
family at some point, and being near as I grow older. Your support
would mean that he would be sent back to this war started and continued
on lies to become a target for those who would rather live their lives
without the interference of a foreign, empire-seeking, new-world-order,
invader.
Actually, my son completed his contractual obligation to the military
several months ago, but thanks to your support, he has been stop-lossed
and has no idea when he will be allowed to resign his commission.
Why would I not want your support for my troop, you ask? Considering
your support of our criminal government has led to the death,
destruction and misery of millions of people on this planet, that is
basically a no-brainer.
Of course you supported the troops back in WWII and thought that was a
good thing, but somewhere along the line your support of the State led
to the leaving behind of over 20,000 of our soldiers, those liberated
from German POW camps by the Russians, never to be heard from again.
I'm sure those families appreciated your support.
Back in 1950, you supported my father as he left my mother and me to go
to war in Korea. He never returned, giving his life somewhere in that
foreign land. Because of the loss of my father, my mother put a vodka
bottle to her head and pulled the trigger. Your wonderful support took
both my parents. Thanks again!
Your continued support in Korea led to the abandonment of over 8,000
POW's and MIA's to the enemy. Do you wonder why many find your
support lacking? Just ask the families of those who have been left
behind by this government you support blindly.
Some of you supported us as we went to the jungles of Southeast Asia;
some chose not to. The results were the same; with or without your
support, our criminal government cares nothing for those in uniform!
Those of you who supported us claimed that those who didn't were
responsible for us losing the war. Horse Apples! We lost that war for
the same reason we will lose the one in Iraq: wars started on lies to
increase the bottom line of campaign contributors are seldom won
because the war must be extended for as long as possible to insure the
corporatocracy gets a full return on its money. There is a black
granite wall in DC so all of you warhawks can go there and read the
names of the 58,000+ charred souls you killed with your support. Just
exactly where did that get us? Does Vietnam have a "democracy" today?
Your continued support for a corrupt government led to over 2,000
military personnel being left behind in that war; with grieving
families never knowing what happened to their loved ones.
Your support in Beirut cost the lives of hundreds of Marines and
Soldiers as people who wanted us to hell out of their country destroyed
our soldiers' poorly protected barracks. Please give me the upside to
this loss. Is Lebanon better off today because those good soldiers gave
their lives?
I can still see the faces of the young Army Rangers that were killed in
the illegal invasion of Panama. With your support, they gave their
lives to assist in serving a drug warrant on a foreign Head of State,
one our government had supported for years. Is it not ironic that we
later went to war with Iraq for doing to Kuwait the same thing you
supported our soldiers doing to Panama?
Your wonderful support led to the unspeakable horrors inflicted on
those soldiers who were in Somalia! You should be especially proud of
that one. Those dead soldiers dragged through the streets would not
have been there had it not been for your "support." If you have trouble
remembering this, some time spent with the book Black Hawk Down should
jog your memory.
Only in a true Orwellian society could citizens send off poorly trained
and equipped soldiers, serving in a politically correct military, led
by a civilian leadership that has spent the majority of their adult
lives in a revolving door between the military industrial complex and
government service, and call the damn thing, "supporting the troops."
Why do we call people who prefer to live their lives without having
their land bombed, their women, children and old folks killed, their
national infrastructure destroyed and foreign soldiers on their soil,
terrorists? Have you ever wondered what word the American Indian had
for the U.S. government back in the middle to late 19th Century?
History tells us we referred to them as "savages" and "those Red
Devils" because they fought and died for their land and their culture.
What did our ancestors call the British who were doing to the colonists
precisely what our government does to others today?
Time to come clean, America: you do not in any way support troops by
sending them to die for Halliburton and Bechtel's bottom line. This
is analogous to sending your teenager out in a car with no brakes and
bald tires, accompanied by a child rapist high on crystal meth, and
calling that "supporting" your children.
Rush Limbaugh was actually right for a change: there can be no support
for the troops without supporting the war and the government that sent
them there. Your misplaced support for the troops is actually support
for a criminal enterprise in which the military serves as the
enforcement arm of that enterprise. If you want to support the troops,
do not allow the State to send them to their deaths for corporate
profits in wars sired by lies!
Michael Gaddy, <mgnc46@yahoo.com> is an U.S. Army veteran of Vietnam,
Grenada, and Beirut, lives in the Four Corners area of the American
Southwest.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10606.htm
great post!
notice the righttards silence? the vets and military person who
support the president believe every military person/vet also support
the president. Of course that's just their brainwashing. They are
obviously wrong.
They will ignore this and other military vets who say Bush's war is
wrong.
~~To send a real email, keep in mind the sender
hates places with no windows~~~
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| User: "David Casey" |
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| Title: Re: Please Don't Support My Troop |
17 Oct 2005 12:13:11 AM |
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 00:53:08 -0400, Defendario wrote:
[followups set, us,politics removed since it's not a valid group name]
[snipping happens to get to the point]
Why would I not want your support for my troop, you ask? Considering
your support of our criminal government has led to the death,
destruction and misery of millions of people on this planet, that is
basically a no-brainer.
Millions, eh? Surely there is more than just one persons opinion to back
this up?
Of course you supported the troops back in WWII and thought that was a
good thing, but somewhere along the line your support of the State led
to the leaving behind of over 20,000 of our soldiers, those liberated
from German POW camps by the Russians, never to be heard from again.
I'm sure those families appreciated your support.
There were 20,000 American soldiers left behind after WWII? Interesting...
surely there is more on this subject.
Your continued support in Korea led to the abandonment of over 8,000
POW's and MIA's to the enemy. Do you wonder why many find your support
lacking? Just ask the families of those who have been left behind by
this government you support blindly.
I guess the recovery teams which are crawling around in Korea (and Vietnam)
didn't get the memo that they were to abandon their efforts.
Some of you supported us as we went to the jungles of Southeast Asia;
some chose not to. The results were the same; with or without your
support, our criminal government cares nothing for those in uniform!
Those of you who supported us claimed that those who didn't were
responsible for us losing the war. Horse Apples! We lost that war for
the same reason we will lose the one in Iraq: wars started on lies to
increase the bottom line of campaign contributors are seldom won
because the war must be extended for as long as possible to insure the
corporatocracy gets a full return on its money. There is a black
granite wall in DC so all of you warhawks can go there and read the
names of the 58,000+ charred souls you killed with your support. Just
exactly where did that get us? Does Vietnam have a "democracy" today?
Your continued support for a corrupt government led to over 2,000
military personnel being left behind in that war; with grieving
families never knowing what happened to their loved ones.
Now this is interesting, considering it was lack of public support for the
war in Vietnam which caused the US to pull their troops out before the war
had been won.
I can still see the faces of the young Army Rangers that were killed in
the illegal invasion of Panama. With your support, they gave their
lives to assist in serving a drug warrant on a foreign Head of State,
one our government had supported for years. Is it not ironic that we
later went to war with Iraq for doing to Kuwait the same thing you
supported our soldiers doing to Panama?
Ask the family of the US soldier (soldiers?) who was shot and killed prior
to the invasion of Panama how they felt.
Your wonderful support led to the unspeakable horrors inflicted on those
soldiers who were in Somalia! You should be especially proud of that
one. Those dead soldiers dragged through the streets would not have
been there had it not been for your "support." If you have trouble
remembering this, some time spent with the book Black Hawk Down should
jog your memory.
I got a very different impression from the book: US soldiers doing an
outstanding job in a very difficult situation.
Only in a true Orwellian society could citizens send off poorly trained
and equipped soldiers, serving in a politically correct military, led
by a civilian leadership that has spent the majority of their adult
lives in a revolving door between the military industrial complex and
government service, and call the damn thing, "supporting the troops."
I don't know about his son, but I was never poorly trained or equipped.
Time to come clean, America: you do not in any way support troops by
sending them to die for Halliburton and Bechtel's bottom line. This is
analogous to sending your teenager out in a car with no brakes and bald
tires, accompanied by a child rapist high on crystal meth, and calling
that "supporting" your children.
So he'll be trading in his SUV for a bicycle and having the air conditioner
removed from his house when?
Rush Limbaugh was actually right for a change: there can be no support
for the troops without supporting the war and the government that sent
them there. Your misplaced support for the troops is actually support
for a criminal enterprise in which the military serves as the
enforcement arm of that enterprise. If you want to support the troops,
do not allow the State to send them to their deaths for corporate
profits in wars sired by lies!
Incorrect... but then this does appear to be an opinion piece.
Dave
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US Army Signal Corps!!
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| User: "Defendario" |
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| Title: Re: Please Don't Support My Troop |
17 Oct 2005 12:54:10 AM |
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David Casey, the punk-assed coward, whined:
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 00:53:08 -0400, Defendario wrote:
[followups set, us,politics removed since it's not a valid group name]
Original NGs reset.
[snipping happens to get to the point]
To obfuscate and avoid unpleasant truths, more like.
Why would I not want your support for my troop, you ask? Considering
your support of our criminal government has led to the death,
destruction and misery of millions of people on this planet, that is
basically a no-brainer.
Millions, eh? Surely there is more than just one persons opinion to back
this up?
The original author of the essay is entitled to an opinion. I share it.
Tough *****, 'Pugroid.
Of course you supported the troops back in WWII and thought that was a
good thing, but somewhere along the line your support of the State led
to the leaving behind of over 20,000 of our soldiers, those liberated
from German POW camps by the Russians, never to be heard from again.
I'm sure those families appreciated your support.
There were 20,000 American soldiers left behind after WWII? Interesting...
surely there is more on this subject.
I have no information about this allegation. But why do you want to
focus your attention here? It is at best tangential...
Your continued support in Korea led to the abandonment of over 8,000
POW's and MIA's to the enemy. Do you wonder why many find your support
lacking? Just ask the families of those who have been left behind by
this government you support blindly.
I guess the recovery teams which are crawling around in Korea (and Vietnam)
didn't get the memo that they were to abandon their efforts.
There were POW/MIA abandoned in Korea. Glad to see that you agree.
Some of you supported us as we went to the jungles of Southeast Asia;
some chose not to. The results were the same; with or without your
support, our criminal government cares nothing for those in uniform!
Those of you who supported us claimed that those who didn't were
responsible for us losing the war. Horse Apples! We lost that war for
the same reason we will lose the one in Iraq: wars started on lies to
increase the bottom line of campaign contributors are seldom won
because the war must be extended for as long as possible to insure the
corporatocracy gets a full return on its money. There is a black
granite wall in DC so all of you warhawks can go there and read the
names of the 58,000+ charred souls you killed with your support. Just
exactly where did that get us? Does Vietnam have a "democracy" today?
Your continued support for a corrupt government led to over 2,000
military personnel being left behind in that war; with grieving
families never knowing what happened to their loved ones.
Now this is interesting, considering it was lack of public support for the
war in Vietnam which caused the US to pull their troops out before the war
had been won.
Public support for Vietnam was strong until the last couple of years.
There was no objective way for the US to "win" Vietnam. The whole
conflict was a mistake. Even McNamara has grasped this; why can't you?
I can still see the faces of the young Army Rangers that were killed in
the illegal invasion of Panama. With your support, they gave their
lives to assist in serving a drug warrant on a foreign Head of State,
one our government had supported for years. Is it not ironic that we
later went to war with Iraq for doing to Kuwait the same thing you
supported our soldiers doing to Panama?
Ask the family of the US soldier (soldiers?) who was shot and killed prior
to the invasion of Panama how they felt.
WTF are you gabbling about? What soldiers did Noriega kill? Why was
the invasion of Panama necessary? What about the Panamanian civilians
murdered in the splendid little operation?
You are a fascist ***** Casey. Pure & simple.
Your wonderful support led to the unspeakable horrors inflicted on those
soldiers who were in Somalia! You should be especially proud of that
one. Those dead soldiers dragged through the streets would not have
been there had it not been for your "support." If you have trouble
remembering this, some time spent with the book Black Hawk Down should
jog your memory.
I got a very different impression from the book: US soldiers doing an
outstanding job in a very difficult situation.
Getting killed for no reason in an outstanding manner. Bravo! Encore!
Only in a true Orwellian society could citizens send off poorly trained
and equipped soldiers, serving in a politically correct military, led
by a civilian leadership that has spent the majority of their adult
lives in a revolving door between the military industrial complex and
government service, and call the damn thing, "supporting the troops."
I don't know about his son, but I was never poorly trained or equipped.
Lucky you. Many others have felt otherwise.
Time to come clean, America: you do not in any way support troops by
sending them to die for Halliburton and Bechtel's bottom line. This is
analogous to sending your teenager out in a car with no brakes and bald
tires, accompanied by a child rapist high on crystal meth, and calling
that "supporting" your children.
So he'll be trading in his SUV for a bicycle and having the air conditioner
removed from his house when?
As soon as you do, Naziboi. ;-)
Rush Limbaugh was actually right for a change: there can be no support
for the troops without supporting the war and the government that sent
them there. Your misplaced support for the troops is actually support
for a criminal enterprise in which the military serves as the
enforcement arm of that enterprise. If you want to support the troops,
do not allow the State to send them to their deaths for corporate
profits in wars sired by lies!
Incorrect... but then this does appear to be an opinion piece.
Your opinion is noted, and filed.
;D
Dunderhead Dave
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