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Re: Remember How Disgraced President Jiminy Carter Went To Cuba To Lick Castro's Boots? |
"Bill Negraeff" <bill.negraeff@cballiance.com> wrote in message
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John Rackham <johnrackham@calico.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:19:46 GMT, "Cisco Kid" <ckid@attnet.net> wrote:
No, we don't remember this.
But we do remember Ronnie Raygun and his henchmen (Rumsfeld) cozying up
to the likes of bin Laden and Saddam in the '80s.
How many US citizens did Castro kill on 9/11?
You guys need a serious refresher course on foreign policy.
...but you don't remember how Carter just sat there and let a bunch of
Iranians make a fool of him?
He authorized a rescue mission which failed. Why it failed we will
never know - but it certainly had nothing to do with Carter.
So you feel Carter wasn't actually the Commander-in-Chief at the time he
authorized it? Or are you saying that Carter was just totally "out of the
loop" and oblivious to whatever actual plans those under his command came up
with for that mission? Perhaps you feel Carter didn't view that particular
mission as important enough for him to become personally involved in?
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| User: "Bill Negraeff" |
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| Title: Re: Remember How Disgraced President Jiminy Carter Went To Cuba To Lick Castro's Boots? |
22 Jan 2004 10:44:03 AM |
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"Dean-GoreTicket" <MightBWinner4Dems@leftistgoofballs.com> wrote in message news:<yMHPb.121013$na.121927@attbi_s04>...
"Bill Negraeff" <bill.negraeff@cballiance.com> wrote in message
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John Rackham <johnrackham@calico.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:19:46 GMT, "Cisco Kid" <ckid@attnet.net> wrote:
No, we don't remember this.
But we do remember Ronnie Raygun and his henchmen (Rumsfeld) cozying up
to the likes of bin Laden and Saddam in the '80s.
How many US citizens did Castro kill on 9/11?
You guys need a serious refresher course on foreign policy.
...but you don't remember how Carter just sat there and let a bunch of
Iranians make a fool of him?
He authorized a rescue mission which failed. Why it failed we will
never know - but it certainly had nothing to do with Carter.
So you feel Carter wasn't actually the Commander-in-Chief at the time he
authorized it? Or are you saying that Carter was just totally "out of the
loop" and oblivious to whatever actual plans those under his command came up
with for that mission? Perhaps you feel Carter didn't view that particular
mission as important enough for him to become personally involved in?
There was a helicopter crash in the middle of the desert. Did he
loosen a hydraulic line or did he perhaps put sugar in the gas tank?
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| User: "The Shining Path of Least Resistance" |
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22 Jan 2004 04:48:44 AM |
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Bush's plans for space finding few boosters
Costly proposal faces rebuff from GOP, Democrats
Zachary Coile, San Francisco Chronicle Washington Bureau
Thursday, January 22, 2004 Page A-1
Washington -- A week after President Bush pledged to build a human
base on the moon and send men to Mars, his ambitious space plan is
facing mounting opposition on Capitol Hill from Republicans worried
about the costs and Democrats who want the money spent on other
domestic programs.
Bush did not say a word about his space proposals in his 55-minute
State of the Union speech Tuesday night, surprising even strong
supporters of the plan. Critics said the mere mention of the program
would have drawn groans from some members of both parties.
Sensing a weakness for the president in an election year, Democrats
have gone on the offensive. They are criticizing the White House for
unveiling a costly new initiative at a time when the nation faces
pressing social needs and a federal budget deficit projected to hit
$500 billion.
"This is no time to start spending on questionable ventures while the
administration is refusing to fully fund education, housing and
programs to assist the disabled and the elderly," said Rep. Tom
Lantos, D-San Mateo.
"The administration may hope that Americans' enthusiasm for this idea
will be fueled by the success of the current Mars rover mission, but
new initiatives in research and development should be based in
science, not messages from Planet Rove," he said, referring to Karl
Rove, Bush's top political adviser.
Even conservatives are voicing concerns about the plan, questioning
whether Congress should approve new missions that space experts
believe could cost hundreds of billions of dollars over the next
several decades. The administration has called for $1 billion in new
money during the next five years and $11 billion more by reallocating
funds from other parts of the space program.
"Our problem is going to be, where is the money?" said Sen. John
McCain, R-Ariz., chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee. The
committee, which oversees the National Aeronautics and Space
Administration, plans hearings later this month on Bush's agenda.
Public opinion polls show the president has yet to convince the public
of the need to send manned missions to the moon and Mars. A Washington
Post-ABC News poll conducted last week found that 62 percent of
Americans surveyed opposed the new space proposals.
White House officials insist the only reason the president did not
address his space vision Tuesday night was that he had just devoted an
entire speech to the issue last Wednesday at NASA's headquarters in
Washington. In the speech, Bush called for manned missions to the moon
by 2020 -- and perhaps as soon as 2015 -- to establish a base for
future missions to Mars and beyond.
"The president took the time to outline his very specific proposals
and his vision for the future of our national space program," said
White House spokesman Ken Lisaius.
But supporters of the missions to the moon and Mars said the president
had missed the opportunity to build public support by making his case
in the televised address.
"The fact that they were on the cover of Time magazine (about the
space plan) and didn't even bother to mention it in the speech I think
demonstrates their inattention to this issue," said John Pike, a space
analyst at GlobalSecurity.org. "I just think it's a very low priority
in this administration -- and they did nothing (Tuesday night) to
dispel that."
The president's allies see a more clever legislative strategy by the
White House. The space plan has powerful backers in Congress --
especially House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, whose district is
near the Johnson Space Center -- who can help secure Bush' s $1
billion budget request. Citing the space proposals in the speech could
have given opponents another chance to bash his initiative, they said.
Bush is likely to build support among Republicans if he can convince
them his program is part of a broader effort to reform NASA, an agency
that has been sharply criticized by fiscal conservatives for
overspending. His pledge to end the U.S. commitment to the
international space station by 2010 and to end the space shuttle
program could convince conservatives the reform effort is real.
Rick Tumlinson, founder of the Space Frontier Foundation, which favors
increased private sector involvement in space exploration, said Bush
was taking a significant risk by proposing the program in an election
year.
"People say he introduced this as a political move, but if you look at
it, clearly there's an upside and a downside. ... It does become a
political football," Tumlinson said. "I would have preferred if he had
introduced this after the election, if he won."
Space enthusiasts generally applaud Bush's vision, including retiring
the 1970s-era space shuttle program. But Tumlinson said many private
space investors were disappointed by the president's appointment of
Pete Aldridge, a former Air Force secretary and astronaut trainee, to
head a new commission charged with overseeing NASA. Aldridge serves on
the board of directors of Lockheed Martin, the defense contractor that
helps manage the international space station and has received a major
NASA grant to work on a new space plane to replace the space shuttle.
"I'm afraid the commission is going to be stacked in such a way that
it will just be a rubber stamp of what NASA has had in its back pocket
all along. The space vehicle, the crew exploration vehicle, is just
Apollo redux. It's not innovative," said Tumlinson, who wants to see
smaller private firms bid to design and operate cheaper, Earth-to-moon
spacecraft. "What NASA really needs is tough love. They need to be
told, " 'You guys don't operate stuff anymore, you explore, and you do
it in a lean and mean way.' "
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| User: "InsuranceBroker" |
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| Title: Re: Bush space program a dud even with Republicans |
22 Jan 2004 08:35:26 AM |
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Subject: Bush space program a dud even with Republicans
From: The Shining Path of Least Resistance
Date: 1/22/2004 5:48 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <afav00popk5dl8uoq7t4l9m62e4ra8tjvh@4ax.com>
Bush's plans for space finding few boosters
Costly proposal faces rebuff from GOP, Democrats
Washington -- A week after President Bush pledged to build a human
base on the moon and send men to Mars, his ambitious space plan is
facing mounting opposition on Capitol Hill from Republicans worried
about the costs and Democrats who want the money spent on other
domestic programs.
Hey why would the republicans worry. They have just run up the national debt 6
trillion dollars in the last 23 years. Bush has to borrow 866 billion dollars
this year. What me worry????
The Debt To the Penny
Current Amount
01/20/2004 $7,006,834,072,435.49
Current
Month
01/16/2004 $7,002,877,924,418.81
01/15/2004 $7,001,852,607,623.35
01/14/2004 $6,988,602,001,011.26
01/13/2004 $6,991,843,338,608.59
01/12/2004 $6,988,570,014,716.87
01/09/2004 $6,987,116,908,679.61
01/08/2004 $6,985,436,709,829.38
01/07/2004 $6,990,408,199,507.34
01/06/2004 $6,991,488,657,454.93
01/05/2004 $6,989,184,944,125.77
01/02/2004 $6,981,477,122,871.86
Prior
Months
12/31/2003 $7,001,312,247,818.28
11/28/2003 $6,925,065,499,881.34
10/31/2003 $6,872,675,839,106.67
Prior Fiscal
Years
09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16
09/28/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06
09/29/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38
09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
SOURCE: BUREAU OF THE PUBLIC DEBT
Looking for more historical information? Visit the Debt
Historical Information archives.
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| User: "Ramboi" |
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| Title: Re: Remember How Disgraced President Jiminy Carter Went To Cuba To Lick Castro's Boots? |
21 Jan 2004 09:57:10 PM |
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Carter is the president I admire, he may not be a strong leader but he is
not a murder, or money maker like BUSH on faked energy crisis.
It was my mistake voting for BUSH, I feel like a dumb man.
Ramboi
"Dean-GoreTicket" <MightBWinner4Dems@leftistgoofballs.com> wrote in message
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"Bill Negraeff" <bill.negraeff@cballiance.com> wrote in message
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John Rackham <johnrackham@calico.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:19:46 GMT, "Cisco Kid" <ckid@attnet.net> wrote:
No, we don't remember this.
But we do remember Ronnie Raygun and his henchmen (Rumsfeld) cozying
up
to the likes of bin Laden and Saddam in the '80s.
How many US citizens did Castro kill on 9/11?
You guys need a serious refresher course on foreign policy.
...but you don't remember how Carter just sat there and let a bunch of
Iranians make a fool of him?
He authorized a rescue mission which failed. Why it failed we will
never know - but it certainly had nothing to do with Carter.
So you feel Carter wasn't actually the Commander-in-Chief at the time he
authorized it? Or are you saying that Carter was just totally "out of the
loop" and oblivious to whatever actual plans those under his command came
up
with for that mission? Perhaps you feel Carter didn't view that
particular
mission as important enough for him to become personally involved in?
.
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| User: "jascx" |
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| Title: Re: Remember How Disgraced President Jiminy Carter Went To Cuba To Lick Castro's Boots? |
22 Jan 2004 01:06:24 AM |
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Hey Ramboi, For what it's worth, I know you're a lot smarter than you think.
Look at the choices you had in 2000. Al Gore or Bush. From the debates you
could hardly tell a difference between the two of them. I didn't care for
either, but voted for Gore. Fortunately, this time around when Bush starts
running ads claiming to be a human being, most of us know better. We can
remember facts.
Now we know that he was either drunk or on cocaine until he was over 40, at
which time his family set him up in the oil business but he lost money. How
anyone could lose money in the oil business in the 80's is beyond me. He
challenged his dad to a fist fight in a drunken stupor and he was a member
of the "Skull and Crossbones Society." He was arrested and pled guilty to
DWI at least once. We don't really know how many other times since the
judge who disclosed the fact had his life threatened many times and
eventually appeared on network TV, on the verge of tears, pleading to be
left alone. Rich kids usually don't plead guilty of course, until after
their dad says, "Well Son, I've bailed you out 4 times now, had to use alot
of money to do it. You're on your own this time."
Well, I could contine but I'll cut it short, despite all of that, I voted
for Gore because I saw a video of GWB using the hem of a woman's dress to
clean his glasses while her back was turned. I can't think of a good
adjective for it. "Arrogant" just doesn't get there.
So it was understandable to vote for the man then, but now, surely anyone
would have to be either rich or stupid.
-Jim
Carter was a good Prez.
********** Vote for General Wesley Clark ************
"Ramboi" <WhatDoyouWant@ .com> wrote in message
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Carter is the president I admire, he may not be a strong leader but he is
not a murder, or money maker like BUSH on faked energy crisis.
It was my mistake voting for BUSH, I feel like a dumb man.
Ramboi
"Dean-GoreTicket" <MightBWinner4Dems@leftistgoofballs.com> wrote in
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"Bill Negraeff" <bill.negraeff@cballiance.com> wrote in message
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John Rackham <johnrackham@calico.com> wrote in message
news:<r6nq00tiet3cmtsbb4pa6fe4aabb8ki30q@4ax.com>...
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:19:46 GMT, "Cisco Kid" <ckid@attnet.net>
wrote:
No, we don't remember this.
But we do remember Ronnie Raygun and his henchmen (Rumsfeld)
cozying
up
to the likes of bin Laden and Saddam in the '80s.
How many US citizens did Castro kill on 9/11?
You guys need a serious refresher course on foreign policy.
...but you don't remember how Carter just sat there and let a bunch
of
Iranians make a fool of him?
He authorized a rescue mission which failed. Why it failed we will
never know - but it certainly had nothing to do with Carter.
So you feel Carter wasn't actually the Commander-in-Chief at the time he
authorized it? Or are you saying that Carter was just totally "out of
the
loop" and oblivious to whatever actual plans those under his command
came
up
with for that mission? Perhaps you feel Carter didn't view that
particular
mission as important enough for him to become personally involved in?
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| User: "jascx" |
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| Title: Re: Remember How Disgraced President Jiminy Carter Went To Cuba To Lick Castro's Boots? |
21 Jan 2004 11:30:32 PM |
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Pardon me for jumping in here. It is obvious to me that the man is saying
President Carter didn't micro manage the rescue operation. It was assigned
to people very competent in the field -- who encountered problems with sand
interferring with the helicopters. The result was a deadly crash. Carter
assumed full responsibility of course -- unlike President Reagan, who
allowed a Second Leutinent to assume all the responsibility for the
Iran-Contra affair.
"Dean-GoreTicket" <MightBWinner4Dems@leftistgoofballs.com> wrote in message
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"Bill Negraeff" <bill.negraeff@cballiance.com> wrote in message
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John Rackham <johnrackham@calico.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:19:46 GMT, "Cisco Kid" <ckid@attnet.net> wrote:
No, we don't remember this.
But we do remember Ronnie Raygun and his henchmen (Rumsfeld) cozying
up
to the likes of bin Laden and Saddam in the '80s.
How many US citizens did Castro kill on 9/11?
You guys need a serious refresher course on foreign policy.
...but you don't remember how Carter just sat there and let a bunch of
Iranians make a fool of him?
He authorized a rescue mission which failed. Why it failed we will
never know - but it certainly had nothing to do with Carter.
So you feel Carter wasn't actually the Commander-in-Chief at the time he
authorized it? Or are you saying that Carter was just totally "out of the
loop" and oblivious to whatever actual plans those under his command came
up
with for that mission? Perhaps you feel Carter didn't view that
particular
mission as important enough for him to become personally involved in?
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