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Re: Target Iran - If there is an American war with Iran- it is a war that was made in Israel and nowhere else - Scott Ritter |
can_o_worms wrote:
Book: Israel, Lobby Pushing Iran War
http://www.forward.com/articles/book-israel-lobby-pushing-iran-war/
Nathan Guttman Fri. Dec 29, 2006
A former United Nations weapons inspector and leading
Iraq War opponent has written a new book alleging that
Jerusalem is pushing the Bush administration into war
with Iran, and accusing the pro-Israel lobby of dual
loyalty and "outright espionage."
In the new book, called "Target Iran," Scott Ritter,
who served as a senior U.N. weapons inspector in Iraq
from 1991 to 1998 and later became one of the war's
staunchest critics, argues that the United States is
readying for military action against Iran, using its
nuclear program as a pretext for pursuing regime change
in Tehran.
"The Bush administration, with the able help of the
Israeli government and the pro-Israel Lobby, has
succeeded," Ritter writes, "in exploiting the ignorance
of the American people about nuclear technology and
nuclear weapons so as to engender enough fear that the
American public has more or less been pre-programmed to
accept the notion of the need to militarily confront a
nuclear armed Iran."
Why is the killing and threatening of Jews acceptable and that of
defence of Isreal not. Isreal was created by the UN. They were
attacked three times in major wars and countless acts of terror. The
end of the whole struggle is the elimination of Israel. They have been
attacked and won in wars they are attacked by terror and taken measures
to protect themselvs. This is all just rampent Antisemitism is
acceptable, you can kill jews and try to destroy a country and group of
people and it is OK. Isreal is not some special class of people the US
regularly protects people undersiege, Bosnians, Kurds, Somolies, Europe
in the 40s. I can still fine overt Jew haters in a few mouse clicks.
The removal of Israle is not only hjatred of Jews but hatred of the
individual and the west. Israel is a sceular jewish country that is
propsering next to many oppressive countries that are suffering. They
use Jew hatred to direct attention away frorm their failures and place
it on the Jews. Iran has so much oil and they have a bad economy. It
is the repression of the individual that is the root of their failures
not Israel who would perfer to be left alone and not have to fight
their neighabors.
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| Title: Re: Target Iran - If there is an American war with Iran- it is awar that was made in Israel and nowhere else - Scott Ritter |
15 Jan 2007 06:16:57 PM |
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Goldstein wrote:
can_o_worms wrote:
Book: Israel, Lobby Pushing Iran War
http://www.forward.com/articles/book-israel-lobby-pushing-iran-war/
Nathan Guttman Fri. Dec 29, 2006
A former United Nations weapons inspector and leading
Iraq War opponent has written a new book alleging that
Jerusalem is pushing the Bush administration into war
with Iran, and accusing the pro-Israel lobby of dual
loyalty and "outright espionage."
In the new book, called "Target Iran," Scott Ritter,
who served as a senior U.N. weapons inspector in Iraq
from 1991 to 1998 and later became one of the war's
staunchest critics, argues that the United States is
readying for military action against Iran, using its
nuclear program as a pretext for pursuing regime change
in Tehran.
"The Bush administration, with the able help of the
Israeli government and the pro-Israel Lobby, has
succeeded," Ritter writes, "in exploiting the ignorance
of the American people about nuclear technology and
nuclear weapons so as to engender enough fear that the
American public has more or less been pre-programmed to
accept the notion of the need to militarily confront a
nuclear armed Iran."
Why is the killing and threatening of Jews acceptable and that of
defence of Isreal not. Isreal was created by the UN.
The UN has no such power, authority or mandate.
Israel was 'created' by Zionists who, in spite of agreements to the
contrary, chose to ignore these agreements.
They were
attacked three times in major wars and countless acts of terror. The
end of the whole struggle is the elimination of Israel. They have been
attacked and won in wars they are attacked by terror and taken measures
to protect themselvs. This is all just rampent Antisemitism is
acceptable, you can kill jews and try to destroy a country and group of
people and it is OK. Isreal is not some special class of people the US
regularly protects people undersiege, Bosnians, Kurds, Somolies, Europe
in the 40s. I can still fine overt Jew haters in a few mouse clicks.
The removal of Israle is not only hjatred of Jews but hatred of the
individual and the west. Israel is a sceular jewish country that is
propsering next to many oppressive countries that are suffering. They
use Jew hatred to direct attention away frorm their failures and place
it on the Jews. Iran has so much oil and they have a bad economy. It
is the repression of the individual that is the root of their failures
not Israel who would perfer to be left alone and not have to fight
their neighabors.
The founders of Israel arrived prepared to kill any opposition. Their
agreement stated that they could individually "settle" in the Palestine
among others of that region so long as they did not trouble the
Christians, Muslims and Jews who were already there.
That is where the problem begins and that is where it will end.
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| User: "Goldstein" |
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| Title: Re: Target Iran - If there is an American war with Iran- it is a war that was made in Israel and nowhere else - Scott Ritter |
16 Jan 2007 10:58:59 AM |
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strabo wrote:
Goldstein wrote:
can_o_worms wrote:
Book: Israel, Lobby Pushing Iran War
http://www.forward.com/articles/book-israel-lobby-pushing-iran-war/
Nathan Guttman Fri. Dec 29, 2006
A former United Nations weapons inspector and leading
Iraq War opponent has written a new book alleging that
Jerusalem is pushing the Bush administration into war
with Iran, and accusing the pro-Israel lobby of dual
loyalty and "outright espionage."
In the new book, called "Target Iran," Scott Ritter,
who served as a senior U.N. weapons inspector in Iraq
from 1991 to 1998 and later became one of the war's
staunchest critics, argues that the United States is
readying for military action against Iran, using its
nuclear program as a pretext for pursuing regime change
in Tehran.
"The Bush administration, with the able help of the
Israeli government and the pro-Israel Lobby, has
succeeded," Ritter writes, "in exploiting the ignorance
of the American people about nuclear technology and
nuclear weapons so as to engender enough fear that the
American public has more or less been pre-programmed to
accept the notion of the need to militarily confront a
nuclear armed Iran."
Why is the killing and threatening of Jews acceptable and that of
defence of Isreal not. Isreal was created by the UN.
The UN has no such power, authority or mandate.
Israel was 'created' by Zionists who, in spite of agreements to the
contrary, chose to ignore these agreements.
They were
attacked three times in major wars and countless acts of terror. The
end of the whole struggle is the elimination of Israel. They have been
attacked and won in wars they are attacked by terror and taken measures
to protect themselvs. This is all just rampent Antisemitism is
acceptable, you can kill jews and try to destroy a country and group of
people and it is OK. Isreal is not some special class of people the US
regularly protects people undersiege, Bosnians, Kurds, Somolies, Europe
in the 40s. I can still fine overt Jew haters in a few mouse clicks.
The removal of Israle is not only hjatred of Jews but hatred of the
individual and the west. Israel is a sceular jewish country that is
propsering next to many oppressive countries that are suffering. They
use Jew hatred to direct attention away frorm their failures and place
it on the Jews. Iran has so much oil and they have a bad economy. It
is the repression of the individual that is the root of their failures
not Israel who would perfer to be left alone and not have to fight
their neighabors.
The founders of Israel arrived prepared to kill any opposition. Their
agreement stated that they could individually "settle" in the Palestine
among others of that region so long as they did not trouble the
Christians, Muslims and Jews who were already there.
That is where the problem begins and that is where it will end.
It is intersting to see what fills the minds of you Jihadists. Israel
is the only democracy in the Middleast and if you people would stop
attacking it it would leave you people alon. It is all the hate and
terrorism that you people do that is keeping so many people in misery.
Give up the hate an Jihad and learn to live in peace. Use peacful
means of persuasion. The US went from slavery to segretion from a war
but from segration to intergration by persuation and showing the
oppressed as moraliy superrior to the oppressors. It is a struggle but
it works. You people strap bombs to kids and launch rockets at
civillians and aggretion like that has to be prtected against and that
protection harms the great mass of people living in that comunity.
Because of the isolation that the protective measures induces you get
misunderstanding and hate. The hate that is drilled into the next
generation has no counter or other side. I am not to up on Islam and I
not fimilliar with your concept of forgivnes in that hate harms the
hater more than object of that hate. Usually forgivness is part of
religon and that is somthing that most of you fanatics have lost.
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| User: "can_o_worms" |
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| Title: Re: Target Iran - If there is an American war with Iran- it is a war that was made in Israel and nowhere else - Scott Ritter |
03 Jan 2007 08:21:02 PM |
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On 3 Jan 2007 13:39:58 -0800, "Goldstein" <enki034@yahoo.com> wrote:
can_o_worms wrote:
Book: Israel, Lobby Pushing Iran War
http://www.forward.com/articles/book-israel-lobby-pushing-iran-war/
Nathan Guttman Fri. Dec 29, 2006
A former United Nations weapons inspector and leading
Iraq War opponent has written a new book alleging that
Jerusalem is pushing the Bush administration into war
with Iran, and accusing the pro-Israel lobby of dual
loyalty and "outright espionage."
In the new book, called "Target Iran," Scott Ritter,
who served as a senior U.N. weapons inspector in Iraq
from 1991 to 1998 and later became one of the war's
staunchest critics, argues that the United States is
readying for military action against Iran, using its
nuclear program as a pretext for pursuing regime change
in Tehran.
"The Bush administration, with the able help of the
Israeli government and the pro-Israel Lobby, has
succeeded," Ritter writes, "in exploiting the ignorance
of the American people about nuclear technology and
nuclear weapons so as to engender enough fear that the
American public has more or less been pre-programmed to
accept the notion of the need to militarily confront a
nuclear armed Iran."
Why is the killing and threatening of Jews acceptable and that of
defence of Isreal not. Israel was created by the UN.
In the first place, Ritter doesn't condone the killing of Jews. He
simply points out , in so many words, that Aham-and-cheese-jihad
is a relatively powerless Middle Eastern windbag of the typical
variety and is reacting to public threats aired from the US....for
the purpose of baiting an eventual regime-change war with Iran.
And a Palestinian state was also proposed by the UN. What the UN
proposes doesn't necessarily make any difference to the parties
involved, as has been proven by events.
They were
attacked three times in major wars and countless acts of terror. The
end of the whole struggle is the elimination of Israel. They have been
attacked and won in wars they are attacked by terror and taken measures
to protect themselvs. This is all just rampent Antisemitism is
acceptable, you can kill jews and try to destroy a country and group of
people and it is OK. Isreal is not some special class of people the US
regularly protects people undersiege, Bosnians, Kurds, Somolies, Europe
in the 40s. I can still fine overt Jew haters in a few mouse clicks.
The removal of Israle is not only hjatred of Jews but hatred of the
individual and the west. Israel is a sceular jewish country that is
propsering next to many oppressive countries that are suffering. They
use Jew hatred to direct attention away frorm their failures and place
it on the Jews. Iran has so much oil and they have a bad economy. It
is the repression of the individual that is the root of their failures
not Israel who would perfer to be left alone and not have to fight
their neighabors.
Israel picked a historically xenophobic neighborhood in which to
live in peace. Israel's defence, as such, is best left to Israel and
not to the U.S. soldier.
Some Israelis and many of their Christian and Jewish supporters
have acquired the assumption that Israel's defence should be an
American priority and that unqualified and unconditional support
for Israel should be taken for granted despite the intransigence
of Likud pols and AIPAC as regards attempts to strike a fair deal
with their Palestinians......Efforts in that direction, which are
short on the ground in Knesset-West nowadays would seem
to me to be the best scenario for both Israel's long term security
and Uncle Sugar's continued hegemony over Middle Eastern
oil reserves.
Endless feuds don't do much for either Kentucky's Cumberland
Plateau nor Israelis and Palestinians. I have yet to see how an
unnecessary attempt to change the regime in Iran would help
Israel as much as effective IAEA inspections or compromises
towards an Israeli - Palestinian peace deal.
--
Just some of the side of the Israeli - Palestinian
conflict that Americans don't get to hear much.
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.mideast/search?q=&start=0&scoring=d&enc_author=1Gh6WRoAAAARZ2tfPiTLv7PDDv7i9EloqtCnG93WhAKPcGhjYS8jMg&filter=0&
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