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User: "Ted"
Date: 06 Jul 2007 05:13:25 AM
Object: Re: There are the main beneficiaries...
On Jul 5, 10:55 pm, Bjorn <was-walmart-gree...@postamerica.net> wrote:

This is out of an article to the Intellectual Conservative blog, a
handy little list to keep in front of your eyes. You already know the
people on the list to some degree but it's nice to have it all typed
in and filled out. Number 6 on the list, George Bush, was way too long
to put in a paragraph or two, they rip him to shreds at length, I only
include as little bit. The full version:http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/06/22/like-a-fox-in-equa...

1. The Wall Street Journal / "Business Republican" crowd,
characterized by Victor Davis Hanson on the NRO blog as, [T]he amoral,
nationless corporate right wants cheap labor any way possible, the
government to pay for the ensuing entitlement costs, cares little
about the stability of its own country, and figures its own elites
have enough privilege to shield themselves from the social
consequences.

2. The New York Times/"Hamptons Democrat" crowd that, through its
support of amnesty, gets to indulge its moral vanity while securing a
supply of cheap nannies, gardeners, and Chardonnay grape crushers,
while evading all the negative consequences of amnesty. After all, the
liberal grandees, like their Republican counterparts, do not live in
the crime-ridden neighborhoods of Third-World immigrants, or consume
public services, from schooling to medical care to prisons, that are
reeling under a deluge of legal and illegal Third-World "clients."

3. The Race Industry that, as Victor Davis Hanson has described, feels
that a new Latino majority is, with just a few million unassimilated
more, almost here in American Southwest, and it will require an entire
cadre of special interest, bloc politicians, academics, and
journalists, as well as providing some sort of psychological tweaking
for an array of past perceived ethnic grievances.

4. The Democratic Party, which increases its client-voter base in
direct proportion to the number of immigrants in the US, particularly
in the poor, nonskilled category like the illegal aliens. The
delusions of the strategists of the Stupid Party notwithstanding, it's
a near certainty that with the legalization of the 12-20 million
illegals, and the resulting chain migration of tens of millions more,
predominantly semi-literate Mexicans, all compounded by their high
fertility rates, the Evil Party will assume a permanent ruling
franchise in the US.

5. Mexico, which gets $20 billion a year from its US subjects'
remittances. The Mexican Hispanic (i.e. predominantly white) ruling
and deeply corrupt oligarchy gets a social pressure release valve, it
gets vast influence on US politics through the vote of its subjects in
US elections, tens of millions of indigent Mexicans get American jobs
making them 20 times more than they could get in Mexico if they could
get jobs in Mexico. Looks like a win-win deal if you are driven in a
chauffeured car in either Mexico City or Washington DC.
The next two beneficiaries, the President of the United States and the
US legislature, are more difficult to analyze correctly. The former
will be the subject of the remainder of this article, whereas the
latter we will leave to a separate treatment, later.

6. President George W. Bush - an enigma that lends itself only to
speculative interpretations. In her WSJ column on June 1, Peggy
Noonan described her "sense of separation from the Bush
administration," starting with the President's January 2005 utopian
declaration that, '[I]t is now the policy of the United States to
eradicate tyranny in the world,' and 'the survival of American liberty
is dependent on the liberty of every other nation

In a speech on May 29th, Mr. Bush characterized the controversy
surrounding the Senate Amnesty Bill as follows:

"This reform is complex. There's a lot of emotions around this issue.
Convictions run deep. Those determined to find fault with this bill
will always be able to look at a narrow slice of it and find something
they don't like. If you want to kill the bill, if you don't want to do
what's right for America, you can pick one little aspect out of it,
you can use it to frighten people. Or you can show leadership and
solve this problem once and for all."

In his NRO blog response, the President's former apologist, David
Frum, included this reader's letter:

"[Bush] always says inarticulate, incoherent stuff similar to this
when he's speaking off the cuff. And he always put groups on the
defensive, by claiming that their desires are somehow "un-American."
[H]e can't imagine anyone who doesn't share his views having a good
faith desire to do what's good for America. Why? Because he's an
under-read, unreflective solipsist who conflates his own wishes with
missions of world historical significance."

[more]

America needs a true populist movement. How can anyone support these
greedy and worthless major parties?
ted
http://www.numbersusa.com/ Numbers USA
.

User: "Citizen Jimserac"

Title: Re: There are the main beneficiaries... 06 Jul 2007 08:07:54 AM
On Jul 6, 6:13 am, Ted <tedor...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Jul 5, 10:55 pm, Bjorn <was-walmart-gree...@postamerica.net> wrote:

This is out of an article to the Intellectual Conservative blog, a
handy little list to keep in front of your eyes. You already know the
people on the list to some degree but it's nice to have it all typed
in and filled out. Number 6 on the list, George Bush, was way too long
to put in a paragraph or two, they rip him to shreds at length, I only
include as little bit. The full version:http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/06/22/like-a-fox-in-equa...


1. The Wall Street Journal / "Business Republican" crowd,
characterized by Victor Davis Hanson on the NRO blog as, [T]he amoral,
nationless corporate right wants cheap labor any way possible, the
government to pay for the ensuing entitlement costs, cares little
about the stability of its own country, and figures its own elites
have enough privilege to shield themselves from the social
consequences.


2. The New York Times/"Hamptons Democrat" crowd that, through its
support of amnesty, gets to indulge its moral vanity while securing a
supply of cheap nannies, gardeners, and Chardonnay grape crushers,
while evading all the negative consequences of amnesty. After all, the
liberal grandees, like their Republican counterparts, do not live in
the crime-ridden neighborhoods of Third-World immigrants, or consume
public services, from schooling to medical care to prisons, that are
reeling under a deluge of legal and illegal Third-World "clients."


3. The Race Industry that, as Victor Davis Hanson has described, feels
that a new Latino majority is, with just a few million unassimilated
more, almost here in American Southwest, and it will require an entire
cadre of special interest, bloc politicians, academics, and
journalists, as well as providing some sort of psychological tweaking
for an array of past perceived ethnic grievances.


4. The Democratic Party, which increases its client-voter base in
direct proportion to the number of immigrants in the US, particularly
in the poor, nonskilled category like the illegal aliens. The
delusions of the strategists of the Stupid Party notwithstanding, it's
a near certainty that with the legalization of the 12-20 million
illegals, and the resulting chain migration of tens of millions more,
predominantly semi-literate Mexicans, all compounded by their high
fertility rates, the Evil Party will assume a permanent ruling
franchise in the US.


5. Mexico, which gets $20 billion a year from its US subjects'
remittances. The Mexican Hispanic (i.e. predominantly white) ruling
and deeply corrupt oligarchy gets a social pressure release valve, it
gets vast influence on US politics through the vote of its subjects in
US elections, tens of millions of indigent Mexicans get American jobs
making them 20 times more than they could get in Mexico if they could
get jobs in Mexico. Looks like a win-win deal if you are driven in a
chauffeured car in either Mexico City or Washington DC.
The next two beneficiaries, the President of the United States and the
US legislature, are more difficult to analyze correctly. The former
will be the subject of the remainder of this article, whereas the
latter we will leave to a separate treatment, later.


6. President George W. Bush - an enigma that lends itself only to
speculative interpretations. In her WSJ column on June 1, Peggy
Noonan described her "sense of separation from the Bush
administration," starting with the President's January 2005 utopian
declaration that, '[I]t is now the policy of the United States to
eradicate tyranny in the world,' and 'the survival of American liberty
is dependent on the liberty of every other nation


In a speech on May 29th, Mr. Bush characterized the controversy
surrounding the Senate Amnesty Bill as follows:


"This reform is complex. There's a lot of emotions around this issue.
Convictions run deep. Those determined to find fault with this bill
will always be able to look at a narrow slice of it and find something
they don't like. If you want to kill the bill, if you don't want to do
what's right for America, you can pick one little aspect out of it,
you can use it to frighten people. Or you can show leadership and
solve this problem once and for all."


In his NRO blog response, the President's former apologist, David
Frum, included this reader's letter:


"[Bush] always says inarticulate, incoherent stuff similar to this
when he's speaking off the cuff. And he always put groups on the
defensive, by claiming that their desires are somehow "un-American."
[H]e can't imagine anyone who doesn't share his views having a good
faith desire to do what's good for America. Why? Because he's an
under-read, unreflective solipsist who conflates his own wishes with
missions of world historical significance."


[more]


America needs a true populist movement. How can anyone support these
greedy and worthless major parties?

ted

http://www.numbersusa.com/ Numbers USA

It is inevitable and will spring up suddenly and spontaneously.
As always, it is happening right in front of us, right now.
The COMPLETE DEFEAT of the poorly worked "Immigration Reform"
bill and the nefarious attempt to speedily pass such a bill
before the full spectrum of opposition and debate could
be heard on its numerous false or uneforceable promises,
self defeating, deceptive and anti-American worker provisions
and outright failure to indict and STOP any future "guest" worker
programs from ever happening again is an example of this.
There are two candidates that show some signs of breaking
free from the politically correct mode of thinking with which
the neo-cons of both parties are sabotaging the heart and spirit
of our country - Ron Paul and Senator Obama.
I agree fully with neither but BOTH have at least begun to challenge
the fundamental assumptions which until some months ago were
untouchable such as the rationale of the "war" in Iraq
or the desirability of "free trade", NAFTA, and our continued
participation in the trade balance busting WTO organization.
In addition, it would be great to have Ralph Nader in on some of the
debates - again I disagree with much that he says but his knowledge
of the issues and his detailed exposure of the extent to which
Bush neo-con corporations have been given excessive power
over the political process (along with their ever present fly on *****
lobbyists), would make it useful to have his presence.
Likewise the popularity of documentaries such as "Sicko" indicates
that the anti-individual and anti-family activities of the neo-cons
have reached their height and that a reaction, probably a very severe
reaction
will now set in and wipe away the distortions, interference in our
affairs and sabotage of America's industry that has been rampant
during
the reign of Lyndon Bush.
The coming political changes are inevitable and spell
the end of the Kennedy democrats and Bush republicans -
quite possibly, the end of both democrat and republican
parties and the addition of SEVERAL newer ones.
Citizen Jimserac
.


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