"Tom Betz" <spammers_lie@pobox.com> wrote in message
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Quoth "Rocketman" <rocketman@bikerider.com> in
news:tUyKd.25050$4I2.11891@attbi_s01:

Torture happened. The US advocated torture at the highest
levels of government. US soldiers tortured prisoners in Iraq
and elsewhere. Torture was discovered at Gitmo. Prisoners were
taken to other countries to be tortured. The entire world knows
this. It is not in dispute.

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact
http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=2444
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4165627.stm

Don't forget all the official DIA and FBI documents collected
here:

<http://www.aclu.org/torturefoia/released/120704.html>

Look at all these sources. It's a Demolib fuckfest.

Gee.

You would think that after all these years, evidence manufacturers could
use better copying equipment.

These copies all look like they were done 40 years old.

On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:21:40 -0700, Cmd Buzz Corey <us@that.net>
wrote:

Rocketman wrote:

One US soldier was convicted, but not for "torturing prisoners".

Torture happened. The US advocated torture at the highest levels of
government. US soldiers tortured prisoners in Iraq and elsewhere. Torture
was discovered at Gitmo. Prisoners were taken to other countries to be
tortured. The entire world knows this. It is not in dispute.

So who cares?

Well given the fact that human rights violations was one of the
reasons Bush claimed Saddam had to be removed, and charged
for the crimes of having the Iraqi people tortured, so that makes
Bush just as guilty as Saddam for doing the same thing.

Oh that's right, if the US does it, it's ok, but if others do it it's
called a crime.

Those prisoners would have been happy to cut of your head
if they had the chance.

You seem to have forgotten who invaded who. Unlike the American
people, the Iraqi people have the guts, backbone, and self respect
to stand up and fight to prevent the US and Britain from stealing
their county and oil, and putting another CIA dictator in power.

Which makes them Patriots, not insurgents as Bush keeps trying
to convince people they are.

Bush hasn't a clue what the definition of a terrorist is, because if
he did, he would have to admit the US and Britain are the only
ones who qualify 100% .

On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:21:40 -0700, Cmd Buzz Corey <us@that.net>
wrote:

Rocketman wrote:

One US soldier was convicted, but not for "torturing prisoners".

Torture happened. The US advocated torture at the highest levels of
government. US soldiers tortured prisoners in Iraq and elsewhere. Torture
was discovered at Gitmo. Prisoners were taken to other countries to be
tortured. The entire world knows this. It is not in dispute.

So who cares?

Well given the fact that human rights violations was one of the
reasons Bush claimed Saddam had to be removed, and charged
for the crimes of having the Iraqi people tortured, so that makes
Bush just as guilty as Saddam for doing the same thing.

Oh that's right, if the US does it, it's ok, but if others do it it's
called a crime.

Those prisoners would have been happy to cut of your head
if they had the chance.

You seem to have forgotten who invaded who. Unlike the American
people, the Iraqi people have the guts, backbone, and self respect
to stand up and fight to prevent the US and Britain from stealing
their county and oil, and putting another CIA dictator in power.
Which makes them Patriots, not insurgents as Bush keeps trying
to convince people they are.

Definition of " TERRORIST" :

"The unlawful use or threatened use of force or
violence by a person or an organized group against
people or property with the intention of intimidating
or coercing societies or governments, often for
ideological or political reasons. "

And Bush certainly gives a new meaning to liberation too. Bombing
99% of the poorest neighborhoods in Iraq, mass murdering innocent
people by using illegal cluster bombs while family members are
helpless to do anything, while their loved ones are cut to ribbons,
hires mercenaries who murdered nearly 900 innocent men, women
and children by shooting them in the back as they fled for their
lives last April in Fallujah, using missiles and rockets filled with
depleted uranium that's contaminating the land, water, air, the
Iraqi people, even our own soldiers are being contaminated by
breathing the tiny particle into their lungs.

Yes, Bush's appreciation certainly shows. Oh, and he's going
to show his appreciation even more by cutting veteran's benefits
by $900 million in 2005. He doesn't mind intentionally contaminating
our own soldiers, do you really think he gives a damn about the
Iraqi people being liberated ?

For nearly 20 years the US was well aware of Saddam's treatment
of the Iraqi people and ignored it as long as the CIA's puppet
Saddam was willing to be controlled.

As long as the American people ignore, and allow the atrocities
being committed by the US government to continue, then expect
justified retaliation.