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Politics > Politics-USA |
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"Koppe74" |
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29 Dec 2004 06:16:08 AM |
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Re: Tsunami - U.S. accused of being 'stingy' |
Sam wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:41:44 GMT, "Mr. Hankey"
<mrhankey@howdy.ho.com> wrote:
I couldn't believe this when I heard it on the news today.
Apparently
U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell gave a press conference to
refute
accusations that the U.S. was being "stingy" for the $15 million in
aid it offered to countries struck by that huge tsunami the other
day.
First of all, he was speaking about foraign-aid/relieve
in general -- *not* this tsunami in particular.
Second, he was speaking about *all* rich (Western)
countries -- *not* the USA in particular... that Powell
(and you) feel offended on behalf of the USA, really says
more about the USA than it does about the UN-coordinator.
The USA spend about 0.13% of BNP on relieve... the UN's
*goal* is that industrial-countries should spend about 0.7%
When you compare the $15 million you can afford to give
for this crisis to the $147 *billion* you've been able
to allocate to fight the war on terror -- *just* in Iraq,
it can hardly be called *anything* but "stingy".
I also think that the large numbers of Western (including
American) victims -- and the subsequent media coverage --
is a really large part of why you donated that much.
While I admit that $15 million doesn't seem like much given the
magnitude of the disaster, we really aren't required to give
ANYTHING
at all
I agree.
The world is filled with ungrateful bastards.
It's the price we pay for our standard of living.
Of course, decises, famine and disasters are nature's
way of removing the "surplus population" when the population
in an area is larger than what the area can sustain...
and flying in food *once*, mean you'll probably will have
to continue doing so. Also, these days victims tends to sit
down and wait for help rather than try to do things themselves.
Still, if we *don't* help people where they are, many will
come *to us* in search of help instead... we give relief to
make people barely survive where they are, rather than to
give-up and come to us.
We are spending BILLIONS working hard to rid the world of Arabs but
does anyone
thank us??? NO!
Nobody thanked Hitler either for getting rid of Jews either...
even though he managed to kill many more Jews than you've been
able to kill Arabs... and the Jews were fewer in numbers and
harder to find. I say you should *at least* kill-off some
15 millions Arabs or so, before you can expect thanks.
After all, 6 million Jews were to few to earn Hitler a simple
"thank you".
If you misspelled and meant "terrorists" and not "Arabs", you
fare even worse. Killing Iraq children and unarmed civilians
have nothing to do with *fighting* terrorism... but it sure
helps *recruiting* to such organziations. Not even Osama have
you been able to capture -- although you obviously have his
bank-account number since you paid him in the 1980's...
You *did* capture Saddam -- another person you've given
money and weapons -- but Saddam is just a common dictator...
not a terrorist. Hell, you've placed worse person in power
yourself (like replacing Allende with Pinocet in Chile).
-Koppe
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| User: "Sir Cumference" |
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| Title: Re: Tsunami - U.S. accused of being 'stingy' |
29 Dec 2004 11:59:10 AM |
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Koppe74 wrote:
The USA spend about 0.13% of BNP on relieve... the UN's
*goal* is that industrial-countries should spend about 0.7%
Sure, the more they can get countries, especially the US, to spend on
relief, the more the UN can skim off into their own pockets, hopefully
without being noticed. The UN is a corrupt dysfunctionl unit and needs
to be kicked out of the US.
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| User: "Koppe74" |
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| Title: Re: Tsunami - U.S. accused of being 'stingy' |
29 Dec 2004 05:00:01 PM |
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Sir Cumference wrote:
Koppe74 wrote:
The USA spend about 0.13% of BNP on relieve... the UN's
*goal* is that industrial-countries should spend about 0.7%
Sure, the more they can get countries, especially the US, to spend on
relief, the more the UN can skim off into their own pockets,
hopefully
without being noticed. The UN is a corrupt dysfunctionl unit and
needs
to be kicked out of the US.
Sure there are corrupt people in the UN -- as it is in
the USA. Sure there are people willing to misuse their
position to enrich themselves in the UN -- as it is in
the USA. But that doesn't mean the UN is all corrupt or
that the UN never does anything good... no more than
Enron shows that USA and all Americans are corrupt.
And while the guys behind Enron were stinking rich and
wanted to become even richer -- and were from the richest
country on Earth, many of the people in the UN-system are
poor and from dirt-poor countries... I would be surprised
if some *hadn't* tried to enrich themselves and their
families (it's what happens in countries with too little
money).
Finally, the UN does a better job helping people *despite*
corruption, then the USA does without (although, the USA
is better at *killing* people than the UN).
-Koppe
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