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User: "Dermot Donovan"
Date: 02 Jan 2005 11:40:48 AM
Object: Re: US plans detention for life
"Jim E" <fatboy-plonker-@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Geoff Blackmore" <geoff_184@(removethispart)xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
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US plans detention for life

03jan05

THE Bush Administration is planning for possible lifetime detention of
suspected terrorists, including hundreds whom the government does not

have

enough evidence to charge in courts.


Would seem a lot easier just to disappear them, not to mention cheaper.

Jim E

The next step would be to make disappear all those who demanded a due
process for the detainees. Then also all those who criticized the Bush
administration. Then all the relatives of those who criticized the
government. Then all those who possibly could be thinking of criticizing the
administration. Then those who don't support the administration with great
enough enthusiasm.
That's how it goes with totalitarianism: when the process of trampling the
human rights starts, it tends to accelerate beyond the point, after which it
gets out of control and starts consumming everyone in its path. Its loyal
supporters including.
Just study the human history, read Solzhenitsyn...and understand.
DD
DD
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User: "Jim E"

Title: Re: US plans detention for life 02 Jan 2005 07:06:08 PM
"Dermot Donovan" <dnd@dnd.org> wrote in message
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"Jim E" <fatboy-plonker-@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Geoff Blackmore" <geoff_184@(removethispart)xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
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US plans detention for life

03jan05

THE Bush Administration is planning for possible lifetime detention of
suspected terrorists, including hundreds whom the government does not

have

enough evidence to charge in courts.


Would seem a lot easier just to disappear them, not to mention cheaper.

Jim E


The next step would be to make disappear all those who demanded a due
process for the detainees. Then also all those who criticized the Bush
administration. Then all the relatives of those who criticized the
government. Then all those who possibly could be thinking of criticizing
the
administration. Then those who don't support the administration with great
enough enthusiasm.

That's how it goes with totalitarianism: when the process of trampling the
human rights starts, it tends to accelerate beyond the point, after which
it
gets out of control and starts consumming everyone in its path. Its loyal
supporters including.

Just study the human history, read Solzhenitsyn...and understand.

Isn't there a fallacy that describes the type of argument that carries
anything to the point of absurdity?
The Constitution is not a suicide pact.
Jim E
.

User: "Spanky Ham"

Title: Re: US plans detention for life 02 Jan 2005 01:48:49 PM
"Dermot Donovan" <dnd@dnd.org> wrote...

Would seem a lot easier just to disappear them, not to mention cheaper.

Jim E


The next step would be to make disappear all those who demanded a due
process for the detainees. Then also all those who criticized the Bush
administration. Then all the relatives of those who criticized the
government. Then all those who possibly could be thinking of criticizing the
administration. Then those who don't support the administration with great
enough enthusiasm.

That's how it goes with totalitarianism: when the process of trampling the
human rights starts, it tends to accelerate beyond the point, after which it
gets out of control and starts consumming everyone in its path. Its loyal
supporters including.

Just study the human history, read Solzhenitsyn...and understand.

I think he was being facetious. I interpreted is a a commentary on how we
COULD have "disappeared" them easily enough but didn't. There really are
no records on who was captured except for the records the U.S. kept, we
could make them say anything we wanted to. I do think they can't be held
for life, not unless they are fairly tried and convicted. The problem I
see is that they are enemies troops, that fighting the U.S. in war is not
really a "crime" that can be prosecuted under U.S. law. But as enemy
troops, we cannot really release them until the war is over (I can't
imagine the U.S. captured Germans then released them before the war was
over to rejoin their German combat units). The war is not over, and is
against a terrorist group that can regenerate no matter how badly
damaged and not an actual nation-state which which can sign a treaty
of surrender - thus the war in unlikely to ever be over, and these
detainees will always pose a threat of rejoining al-Qaeda or some other
sympathetic anti-American terrorist group.
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User: "Jim E"

Title: Re: US plans detention for life 02 Jan 2005 07:09:39 PM
"Spanky Ham" <spanky@drawntogether.tk> wrote in message
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"Dermot Donovan" <dnd@dnd.org> wrote...

Would seem a lot easier just to disappear them, not to mention cheaper.

Jim E


The next step would be to make disappear all those who demanded a due
process for the detainees. Then also all those who criticized the Bush
administration. Then all the relatives of those who criticized the
government. Then all those who possibly could be thinking of criticizing
the
administration. Then those who don't support the administration with
great
enough enthusiasm.

No, just YOU.
.


User: "Docky Wocky"

Title: Re: US plans detention for life 02 Jan 2005 11:50:12 AM
Anyone notice any diminution in the number of left-wing big mouths lately?
.

User: "NotHimAgain"

Title: Re: US plans detention for life 02 Jan 2005 11:58:16 AM
It's definitely a slippery slope.
"Dermot Donovan" <dnd@dnd.org> wrote in message
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"Jim E" <fatboy-plonker-@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Geoff Blackmore" <geoff_184@(removethispart)xtra.co.nz> wrote in

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US plans detention for life

03jan05

THE Bush Administration is planning for possible lifetime detention of
suspected terrorists, including hundreds whom the government does not

have

enough evidence to charge in courts.


Would seem a lot easier just to disappear them, not to mention cheaper.

Jim E


The next step would be to make disappear all those who demanded a due
process for the detainees. Then also all those who criticized the Bush
administration. Then all the relatives of those who criticized the
government. Then all those who possibly could be thinking of criticizing

the

administration. Then those who don't support the administration with great
enough enthusiasm.

That's how it goes with totalitarianism: when the process of trampling the
human rights starts, it tends to accelerate beyond the point, after which

it

gets out of control and starts consumming everyone in its path. Its loyal
supporters including.

Just study the human history, read Solzhenitsyn...and understand.

DD

DD



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