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"SwiftboatersSinkKerry" |
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05 Aug 2004 05:57:18 AM |
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Re: Video of Vietnam Vets Dumping on Kerry |
"beber" <beber@gbta.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 22:23:06 -0400, "Al" <No@Email.com> wrote:
If you click on the link below, you will see some pretty powerful video
of
Vietnam Vets dumping on Kerry's 4 months of "heroics" in Vietnam and on
what
he did when he got home.
BTW, I suggest you actually **WATCH IT** before writing a response. Oh
wait, Democrats don't need any facts to voice opinions, their beliefs
come
straight down from God. Sorry, I forgot.
http://tinyurl.com/6gp4l
Most of what they say is *****; their leader signed a glowing
report about Kerry's service at the time.
Actually, there's no evidence whatseover that what they are saying is
"*****". On the contrary, they say what they say about Kerry quite
rationally and calmly, and obviously have given it much forethought before
saying what they have to say. Here, see for yourself:
http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_video_wmv.html
What they are *****
about is his opposition to the war following his service.
Well yes, there's certainly that. Kerry is a turncoat, as you point out.
Naturally that bothers men who, unlike Kerry, were loyal to their country.
But they're upset about more than that. They're upset about Kerry's lies
about his military service record, they're upset about him putting in for
Purple Hearts for self-inflicted wounds, they're upset about Kerry's lack of
leadership skills. Here, see for yourself:
http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_video_wmv.html
The same men
probably applauded the slaughter of students at Kent state.
What evidence do you have to support that theory of yours? Perhaps Kerry
applauded the slaughter of students at Kent State too, for all you know.
Kerry has
his crew behind him, and these men in opposition are a fund-raising
pac and are getting paid.
Nope. Of the 17 men who served with him and were part of his crew, only 1
of them are behind him. The other 16 of his crew are not.
Does that give you a clue?
And you know what; he was there, he got shot
at, while your boy was AWOL from the champaign brigade.
Nope.
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| User: "murray" |
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| Title: Re: Video of Vietnam Vets Dumping on Kerry |
05 Aug 2004 09:09:42 AM |
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"SwiftboatersSinkKerry" <TossHimARope@dem.com> wrote in message
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"beber" <beber@gbta.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 22:23:06 -0400, "Al" <No@Email.com> wrote:
If you click on the link below, you will see some pretty powerful video
of
Vietnam Vets dumping on Kerry's 4 months of "heroics" in Vietnam and on
what
he did when he got home.
BTW, I suggest you actually **WATCH IT** before writing a response. Oh
wait, Democrats don't need any facts to voice opinions, their beliefs
come
straight down from God. Sorry, I forgot.
http://tinyurl.com/6gp4l
Most of what they say is *****; their leader signed a glowing
report about Kerry's service at the time.
Actually, there's no evidence whatseover that what they are saying is
"*****". On the contrary, they say wh[snip]
no, there's just no evidence, period.
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| User: "SPQR" |
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| Title: Re: Video of Vietnam Vets Dumping on Kerry |
05 Aug 2004 11:21:15 AM |
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"SwiftboatersSinkKerry" <TossHimARope@dem.com> wrote in message news:<iooQc.11839$Jp6.2402@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
"beber" <beber@gbta.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 22:23:06 -0400, "Al" <No@Email.com> wrote:
If you click on the link below, you will see some pretty powerful video
of
Vietnam Vets dumping on Kerry's 4 months of "heroics" in Vietnam and on
what
he did when he got home.
BTW, I suggest you actually **WATCH IT** before writing a response. Oh
wait, Democrats don't need any facts to voice opinions, their beliefs
come
straight down from God. Sorry, I forgot.
http://tinyurl.com/6gp4l
Most of what they say is *****; their leader signed a glowing
report about Kerry's service at the time.
Actually, there's no evidence whatseover that what they are saying is
"*****". On the contrary, they say what they say about Kerry quite
rationally and calmly, and obviously have given it much forethought before
saying what they have to say. Here, see for yourself:
http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_video_wmv.html
What they are *****
about is his opposition to the war following his service.
Well yes, there's certainly that. Kerry is a turncoat, as you point out.
Naturally that bothers men who, unlike Kerry, were loyal to their country.
But they're upset about more than that. They're upset about Kerry's lies
about his military service record, they're upset about him putting in for
Purple Hearts for self-inflicted wounds, they're upset about Kerry's lack of
leadership skills. Here, see for yourself:
http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_video_wmv.html
The same men
probably applauded the slaughter of students at Kent state.
What evidence do you have to support that theory of yours? Perhaps Kerry
applauded the slaughter of students at Kent State too, for all you know.
Kerry has
his crew behind him, and these men in opposition are a fund-raising
pac and are getting paid.
Nope. Of the 17 men who served with him and were part of his crew, only 1
of them are behind him. The other 16 of his crew are not.
Does that give you a clue?
And you know what; he was there, he got shot
at, while your boy was AWOL from the champaign brigade.
Nope.
*****.
The video dumping on Kerry is one huge lie. Just wait, the guys on
his boat are now coming forward.
Karl Rove has misplayed this one big time.
Rove thinks he will spend the month of August trashing Kerry and Bush
will win. Not going to happen.
Rove has spent $90 million so far to trash Kerry -- and Bush is still
trailing. After another month of this negative *****, the public
will be tired of it and Bush is fucking done for.
Of course, we all know why Rove is doing this -- he has nothing
positive to report because Bush has done nothing positive.
SPQR
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| User: "PagCal" |
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| Title: Re: Video of Vietnam Vets Dumping on Kerry |
05 Aug 2004 06:43:59 AM |
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Your post is ignored by most as old fashioned negative ads.
If you wanted to inform the public, why don't you spend some time on the
CURRENT issues of both men.
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| User: "SwiftboatersSinkKerry" |
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| Title: Re: Video of Vietnam Vets Dumping on Kerry |
05 Aug 2004 07:06:49 AM |
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"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
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Your post is ignored by most as old fashioned negative ads.
If you wanted to inform the public, why don't you spend some time on the
CURRENT issues of both men.
Perhaps one reason why America keeps discussing Kerry's 4-month Vietnam
record is because Kerry has chosen to make it the centerpiece of his bid to
become commander in chief? Whatever possessed Kerry to make his 4 months
in Vietnam the centerpiece of his campaign???
And since Kerry has chosen to do that, it's certainly worthwhile for
Americans to see how Kerry's fellow Swiftboat sailors and Kerry's commanding
officers assess Kerry's performance:
http://www.swiftvets.com/
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| User: "murray" |
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| Title: Bush supporters shoot themselves in the foot ..........Re: Video of Vietnam Vets Dumping on Kerry |
05 Aug 2004 09:17:28 AM |
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"SwiftboatersSinkKerry" <TossHimARope@dem.com> wrote in message
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"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
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Your post is ignored by most as old fashioned negative ads.
If you wanted to inform the public, why don't you spend some time on the
CURRENT issues of both men.
Perhaps one reason why America keeps discussing Kerry's 4-month Vietnam
record is becaus<snip?>
no, *the reason* is that bush stayed home.
and *that's* why it's even being discussed.
therefore, it would seem logical that repugs would just shut up and try to
stay away from the whole issue of war service records. but oh no, the
moronic right just can't help but try to launch these sorts of absurd
attacks on kerry's war record, which inevitably leads to comparisons with
bush's war reocrds. and that of course is where the repugs shoot themselves
in the foot, BIGTIME.:)
Kerry this, blah blah, Swift boat that , blah blah, Purple Hearts, blah
blah.....fact is Kerry went but BUSH STAYED HOME, and it's ALWAYS going to
come back to that..
Fucking LOL!
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| User: "Bert Hyman" |
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| Title: Re: Bush supporters shoot themselves in the foot ..........Re: Video of Vietnam Vets Dumping on Kerry |
05 Aug 2004 09:21:04 AM |
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(murray) wrote in
news:cetfhq$4b0$3@pita.alt.net:
Kerry this, blah blah, Swift boat that , blah blah, Purple Hearts,
blah blah.....fact is Kerry went but BUSH STAYED HOME, and it's
ALWAYS going to come back to that..
But I thought that for the Democrats, the draft evaders and war
protestors were the true heroes of the Viet Nam war.
--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN |
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| User: "Roger" |
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| Title: Re: Bush supporters shoot themselves in the foot ..........Re: Video of Vietnam Vets Dumping on Kerry |
05 Aug 2004 09:33:02 AM |
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"Bert Hyman" <bert@visi.com> wrote in message
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murray@wiggles.co.uk (murray) wrote in
news:cetfhq$4b0$3@pita.alt.net:
Kerry this, blah blah, Swift boat that , blah blah, Purple Hearts,
blah blah.....fact is Kerry went but BUSH STAYED HOME, and it's
ALWAYS going to come back to that..
But I thought that for the Democrats, the draft evaders and war
protestors were the true heroes of the Viet Nam war.
Kerry was a war hero AND a war protestor.
Bush was a war, um, avoider.
Cheney was a military avoider. Until he ran it. Then the military was good
enough for him.
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| User: "murray" |
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| Title: Re: Bush supporters shoot themselves in the foot ..........Re: Video of Vietnam Vets Dumping on Kerry |
05 Aug 2004 09:34:12 AM |
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"Bert Hyman" <bert@visi.com> wrote in message
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murray@wiggles.co.uk (murray) wrote in
news:cetfhq$4b0$3@pita.alt.net:
Kerry this, blah blah, Swift boat that , blah blah, Purple Hearts,
blah blah.....fact is Kerry went but BUSH STAYED HOME, and it's
ALWAYS going to come back to that..
But I thought that for the Democrats, the draft evaders and war
protestors were the true heroes of the Viet Nam war.
in that case, i wouldn't place too much credence in what you characterize as
"thought"
no offence.
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| User: "George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." |
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| Title: Re: Bush supporters shoot themselves in the foot ..........Re: Video of Vietnam Vets Dumping on Kerry |
05 Aug 2004 06:03:01 PM |
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On 5 Aug 2004 14:21:04 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:
murray@wiggles.co.uk (murray) wrote in
news:cetfhq$4b0$3@pita.alt.net:
Kerry this, blah blah, Swift boat that , blah blah, Purple Hearts,
blah blah.....fact is Kerry went but BUSH STAYED HOME, and it's
ALWAYS going to come back to that..
But I thought that for the Democrats, the draft evaders and war
protestors were the true heroes of the Viet Nam war.
Bush supported the Viet Nam war.
It's one thing to oppose the war and avoid it.
It's another to support the war and avoid it.
Kerry had all those comrades up on the stage.
Think Bush will have the dentist from Alabama up there, talking about
huge blowups of the dental xrays?
How Lt Bush was so brave in the dental chair?
Bush was a coward, which is fine.
But not when you're pro war and claim you should be reelected because
you're a war president.
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| User: "Bob" |
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| Title: Re: Bush supporters shoot themselves in the foot ..........Re: Video of Vietnam Vets Dumping on Kerry |
05 Aug 2004 07:41:52 PM |
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"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiter@commiemartyrs.edu> wrote in message
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On 5 Aug 2004 14:21:04 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:
murray@wiggles.co.uk (murray) wrote in
news:cetfhq$4b0$3@pita.alt.net:
Kerry this, blah blah, Swift boat that , blah blah, Purple Hearts,
blah blah.....fact is Kerry went but BUSH STAYED HOME, and it's
ALWAYS going to come back to that..
But I thought that for the Democrats, the draft evaders and war
protestors were the true heroes of the Viet Nam war.
Bush supported the Viet Nam war.
It's one thing to oppose the war and avoid it.
It's another to support the war and avoid it.
Kinda like opposing abortion but supporting
it, huh?
Kerry had all those comrades up on the stage.
The truth from that period of time may never
be known, and in my opinion, doesn't matter
in deciding how to vote for president this
year.
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| User: "Roger" |
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| Title: Re: Bush supporters shoot themselves in the foot ..........Re: Video of Vietnam Vets Dumping on Kerry |
05 Aug 2004 10:40:05 PM |
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"Bob" <no@email.address> wrote in message
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"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiter@commiemartyrs.edu> wrote in
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On 5 Aug 2004 14:21:04 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:
murray@wiggles.co.uk (murray) wrote in
news:cetfhq$4b0$3@pita.alt.net:
Kerry this, blah blah, Swift boat that , blah blah, Purple Hearts,
blah blah.....fact is Kerry went but BUSH STAYED HOME, and it's
ALWAYS going to come back to that..
But I thought that for the Democrats, the draft evaders and war
protestors were the true heroes of the Viet Nam war.
Bush supported the Viet Nam war.
It's one thing to oppose the war and avoid it.
It's another to support the war and avoid it.
Kinda like opposing abortion but supporting
it, huh?
Kerry had all those comrades up on the stage.
The truth from that period of time may never
be known, and in my opinion, doesn't matter
in deciding how to vote for president this
year.
Why wasn't he paid?
Just generous?
Why didn't anyone see him?
Very quiet? Shy?
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| User: "Jerry Mander" |
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06 Aug 2004 02:58:17 AM |
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"Bob" <no@email.address> wrote in message news:<8tAQc.8624$Ns.530@bignews5.bellsouth.net>...
"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiter@commiemartyrs.edu> wrote in message
news:b0f5h09elnnam4ider9jc504mlvmthl7m1@4ax.com...
On 5 Aug 2004 14:21:04 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:
murray@wiggles.co.uk (murray) wrote in
news:cetfhq$4b0$3@pita.alt.net:
Kerry this, blah blah, Swift boat that , blah blah, Purple Hearts,
blah blah.....fact is Kerry went but BUSH STAYED HOME, and it's
ALWAYS going to come back to that..
But I thought that for the Democrats, the draft evaders and war
protestors were the true heroes of the Viet Nam war.
Bush supported the Viet Nam war.
It's one thing to oppose the war and avoid it.
It's another to support the war and avoid it.
Kinda like opposing abortion but supporting
it, huh?
Ironic statement considering the rumor of a woman whose abortion Bush
paid for.
Pro-choice is NOT pro-abortion: it is approaching the issue in terms
of health concerns rather than morality. Women who are determined to
terminate their pregnancies for whatever reasons if abortion were
illegalized again might resort to some very dangerous things such as
suicide, unsafe procedures leading to death or sterilization, etc.
Jewish scriptural law makes a distinction between murder, for which
capital punishment was ordered, and causing a miscarriage, for which a
monetary payment was ordered: the concept of wanting to end a
pregnancy was alien to the ancient world, since children were an asset
as a homemade work force in an agrarian society. Modern society
places a stigma on women who have children outside of wedlock, as
teenagers, unable to care for them financially, etc. In Biblical
terms life begins with breath, and spiritualists say the soul attaches
to the fetus at birth. But as stated, no one in the pro-choice
movement wants anyone to have an abortion.
Western culture bombards children with the notion that they should be
sexually active, while denying them proper sex education or
information about contraceptives; Bush in particular has pushed for
supplanting this necessary data with abstinence-only indoctrination.
Then there are issues like denying abortion even in instances of rape
and incest: the laws are being written mainly by men, and there is the
sinister possibility that the "moral" legislation prohibiting abortion
the fundamentalists desire may open the door to fathers forcing their
daughters to breed incestuous spawn, especially since minors have
needed to acquire parental consent in some cases...
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| User: "Bob" |
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06 Aug 2004 09:17:18 AM |
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"Jerry Mander" <psidone@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Bob" <no@email.address> wrote in message
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Pro-choice is NOT pro-abortion:
Agreed, but the distinction is rather tenuous.
it is approaching the issue in terms
of health concerns rather than morality.
I don't have the statistics, but I suspect
"health" is a very small percentage of the
reasons for abortion.
Women who are determined to
terminate their pregnancies for whatever reasons if abortion were
illegalized again might resort to some very dangerous things such as
suicide, unsafe procedures leading to death or sterilization, etc.
The exact same reason could be used to
allow the killing of one week old babies.
Jewish scriptural law makes a distinction between murder, for which
capital punishment was ordered, and causing a miscarriage, for which a
monetary payment was ordered: the concept of wanting to end a
pregnancy was alien to the ancient world, since children were an asset
as a homemade work force in an agrarian society. Modern society
places a stigma on women who have children outside of wedlock, as
teenagers, unable to care for them financially, etc. In Biblical
terms life begins with breath, and spiritualists say the soul attaches
to the fetus at birth. But as stated, no one in the pro-choice
movement wants anyone to have an abortion.
There is little difference in wanting abortion to
be legal, and wanting abortions to be performed.
Western culture bombards children with the notion that they should be
sexually active, while denying them proper sex education or
information about contraceptives; Bush in particular has pushed for
supplanting this necessary data with abstinence-only indoctrination.
I haven't heard this from Bush, but I'll
assume you know what you're talking about.
Then there are issues like denying abortion even in instances of rape
and incest:
Rape and incest should not be a consideration
in my opinion.
the laws are being written mainly by men, and there is the
sinister possibility that the "moral" legislation prohibiting abortion
the fundamentalists desire may open the door to fathers forcing their
daughters to breed incestuous spawn, especially since minors have
needed to acquire parental consent in some cases...
And those fathers should be thrown in jail,
rather than killing the human being.
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| User: "Brian Hoffmann" |
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06 Aug 2004 11:46:10 AM |
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"Bob" <no@email.address> wrote in message
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"Jerry Mander" <psidone@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Bob" <no@email.address> wrote in message
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Pro-choice is NOT pro-abortion:
Agreed, but the distinction is rather tenuous.
it is approaching the issue in terms
of health concerns rather than morality.
I don't have the statistics, but I suspect
"health" is a very small percentage of the
reasons for abortion.
6% of abortions are dues to some medical reason
leaving about 94% of the reasoning around the "inconvience" of having a
child.
http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abortionstats/a/aaabortionstats.htm
http://www.abortionfacts.com/statistics/statistics.asp
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/
a.. 25.5% of women deciding to have an abortion want to postpone
childbearing.
a.. 21.3% of women cannot afford a baby.
a.. 14.1% of women have a relationship issue or their partner does not want
a child.
a.. 12.2% of women are too young (their parents or others object to the
pregnancy.)
a.. 10.8% of women feel a child will disrupt their education or career.
a.. 7.9% of women want no (more) children.
a.. 3.3% of women have an abortion due to a risk to fetal health.
a.. 2.8% of women have an abortion due to a risk to maternal health
Women who are determined to
terminate their pregnancies for whatever reasons if abortion were
illegalized again might resort to some very dangerous things such as
suicide, unsafe procedures leading to death or sterilization, etc.
The exact same reason could be used to
allow the killing of one week old babies.
Jewish scriptural law makes a distinction between murder, for which
capital punishment was ordered, and causing a miscarriage, for which a
monetary payment was ordered: the concept of wanting to end a
pregnancy was alien to the ancient world, since children were an asset
as a homemade work force in an agrarian society. Modern society
places a stigma on women who have children outside of wedlock, as
teenagers, unable to care for them financially, etc. In Biblical
terms life begins with breath, and spiritualists say the soul attaches
to the fetus at birth. But as stated, no one in the pro-choice
movement wants anyone to have an abortion.
There is little difference in wanting abortion to
be legal, and wanting abortions to be performed.
Western culture bombards children with the notion that they should be
sexually active, while denying them proper sex education or
information about contraceptives; Bush in particular has pushed for
supplanting this necessary data with abstinence-only indoctrination.
I haven't heard this from Bush, but I'll
assume you know what you're talking about.
Then there are issues like denying abortion even in instances of rape
and incest:
Rape and incest should not be a consideration
in my opinion.
the laws are being written mainly by men, and there is the
sinister possibility that the "moral" legislation prohibiting abortion
the fundamentalists desire may open the door to fathers forcing their
daughters to breed incestuous spawn, especially since minors have
needed to acquire parental consent in some cases...
And those fathers should be thrown in jail,
rather than killing the human being.
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| User: "George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." |
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06 Aug 2004 07:57:03 AM |
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On 6 Aug 2004 00:58:17 -0700, (Jerry Mander) wrote:
"Bob" <no@email.address> wrote in message news:<8tAQc.8624$Ns.530@bignews5.bellsouth.net>...
"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiter@commiemartyrs.edu> wrote in message
news:b0f5h09elnnam4ider9jc504mlvmthl7m1@4ax.com...
On 5 Aug 2004 14:21:04 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:
murray@wiggles.co.uk (murray) wrote in
news:cetfhq$4b0$3@pita.alt.net:
Kerry this, blah blah, Swift boat that , blah blah, Purple Hearts,
blah blah.....fact is Kerry went but BUSH STAYED HOME, and it's
ALWAYS going to come back to that..
But I thought that for the Democrats, the draft evaders and war
protestors were the true heroes of the Viet Nam war.
Bush supported the Viet Nam war.
It's one thing to oppose the war and avoid it.
It's another to support the war and avoid it.
Kinda like opposing abortion but supporting
it, huh?
Ironic statement considering the rumor of a woman whose abortion Bush
paid for.
Hey, she was fifteen years old and he was 22. It wasn't a situtation
where marriage was really an option, so what was their alternative,
realistically?
Pro-choice is NOT pro-abortion: it is approaching the issue in terms
of health concerns rather than morality. Women who are determined to
terminate their pregnancies for whatever reasons if abortion were
illegalized again might resort to some very dangerous things such as
suicide, unsafe procedures leading to death or sterilization, etc.
Jewish scriptural law makes a distinction between murder, for which
capital punishment was ordered, and causing a miscarriage, for which a
monetary payment was ordered: the concept of wanting to end a
pregnancy was alien to the ancient world, since children were an asset
as a homemade work force in an agrarian society. Modern society
places a stigma on women who have children outside of wedlock, as
teenagers, unable to care for them financially, etc. In Biblical
terms life begins with breath, and spiritualists say the soul attaches
to the fetus at birth. But as stated, no one in the pro-choice
movement wants anyone to have an abortion.
Western culture bombards children with the notion that they should be
sexually active, while denying them proper sex education or
information about contraceptives; Bush in particular has pushed for
supplanting this necessary data with abstinence-only indoctrination.
Then there are issues like denying abortion even in instances of rape
and incest: the laws are being written mainly by men, and there is the
sinister possibility that the "moral" legislation prohibiting abortion
the fundamentalists desire may open the door to fathers forcing their
daughters to breed incestuous spawn, especially since minors have
needed to acquire parental consent in some cases...
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| User: "Bob" |
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06 Aug 2004 09:18:41 AM |
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"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiter@commiemartyrs.edu> wrote in message
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It's another to support the war and avoid it.
Kinda like opposing abortion but supporting
it, huh?
Ironic statement considering the rumor of a woman whose abortion Bush
paid for.
Hey, she was fifteen years old and he was 22. It wasn't a situtation
where marriage was really an option, so what was their alternative,
realistically?
Do you really think that abortion was the
only option in this case?
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06 Aug 2004 09:51:36 AM |
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On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:18:41 -0500, "Bob" <no@email.address> wrote:
"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiter@commiemartyrs.edu> wrote in message
news:cuv6h0h8j3ad34j3v16n1ggq6n50m0upp9@4ax.com...
It's another to support the war and avoid it.
Kinda like opposing abortion but supporting
it, huh?
Ironic statement considering the rumor of a woman whose abortion Bush
paid for.
Hey, she was fifteen years old and he was 22. It wasn't a situtation
where marriage was really an option, so what was their alternative,
realistically?
Do you really think that abortion was the
only option in this case?
No. I make assumptions that you can catch my drift, and sometimes I am
mistaken.
Drift - it's something which leaves you, more than some others,
adrift.
I know that usenet is not well-suited for subtlety, but I'm not going
to stoop to the lowest common denominator Bob.
You're just going to have to be confused.
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| User: "Bob" |
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06 Aug 2004 10:22:17 AM |
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"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiter@commiemartyrs.edu> wrote in message
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On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:18:41 -0500, "Bob" <no@email.address> wrote:
"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiter@commiemartyrs.edu> wrote in message
news:cuv6h0h8j3ad34j3v16n1ggq6n50m0upp9@4ax.com...
It's another to support the war and avoid it.
Kinda like opposing abortion but supporting
it, huh?
Ironic statement considering the rumor of a woman whose abortion Bush
paid for.
Hey, she was fifteen years old and he was 22. It wasn't a situtation
where marriage was really an option, so what was their alternative,
realistically?
Do you really think that abortion was the
only option in this case?
No. I make assumptions that you can catch my drift, and sometimes I am
mistaken.
Drift - it's something which leaves you, more than some others,
adrift.
Your "drift" is easy to spot. You knew there
were alternatives, but you didn't want to list
them.
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| User: "George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." |
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06 Aug 2004 07:55:11 AM |
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On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:41:52 -0500, "Bob" <no@email.address> wrote:
"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiter@commiemartyrs.edu> wrote in message
news:b0f5h09elnnam4ider9jc504mlvmthl7m1@4ax.com...
On 5 Aug 2004 14:21:04 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:
murray@wiggles.co.uk (murray) wrote in
news:cetfhq$4b0$3@pita.alt.net:
Kerry this, blah blah, Swift boat that , blah blah, Purple Hearts,
blah blah.....fact is Kerry went but BUSH STAYED HOME, and it's
ALWAYS going to come back to that..
But I thought that for the Democrats, the draft evaders and war
protestors were the true heroes of the Viet Nam war.
Bush supported the Viet Nam war.
It's one thing to oppose the war and avoid it.
It's another to support the war and avoid it.
Kinda like opposing abortion but supporting
it, huh?
Not in the least.
You seem very confused here.
Kerry had all those comrades up on the stage.
The truth from that period of time may never
be known, and in my opinion, doesn't matter
in deciding how to vote for president this
year.
I know that the truth is not a big concern of yours, since you support
the serial megaliar Bush.
Bush this week on the campaign trail
"I won't overspend your money."
George "Mother af All Big Spenders" Bush actually said that Bob.
And you could care less.
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06 Aug 2004 09:20:32 AM |
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"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiter@commiemartyrs.edu> wrote in message
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On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:41:52 -0500, "Bob" <no@email.address> wrote:
"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiter@commiemartyrs.edu> wrote in message
news:b0f5h09elnnam4ider9jc504mlvmthl7m1@4ax.com...
On 5 Aug 2004 14:21:04 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:
murray@wiggles.co.uk (murray) wrote in
news:cetfhq$4b0$3@pita.alt.net:
Kerry this, blah blah, Swift boat that , blah blah, Purple Hearts,
blah blah.....fact is Kerry went but BUSH STAYED HOME, and it's
ALWAYS going to come back to that..
But I thought that for the Democrats, the draft evaders and war
protestors were the true heroes of the Viet Nam war.
Bush supported the Viet Nam war.
It's one thing to oppose the war and avoid it.
It's another to support the war and avoid it.
Kinda like opposing abortion but supporting
it, huh?
Not in the least.
You seem very confused here.
Not at all.
Kerry had all those comrades up on the stage.
The truth from that period of time may never
be known, and in my opinion, doesn't matter
in deciding how to vote for president this
year.
I know that the truth is not a big concern of yours, since you support
the serial megaliar Bush.
You are being an ***** and a liar
again Liz.
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| User: "George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." |
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06 Aug 2004 09:53:25 AM |
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On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:20:32 -0500, "Bob" <no@email.address> wrote:
"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiter@commiemartyrs.edu> wrote in message
news:7pv6h0t8ud4bpl8uro8ii6vvr5g7499v31@4ax.com...
On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:41:52 -0500, "Bob" <no@email.address> wrote:
"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiter@commiemartyrs.edu> wrote in message
news:b0f5h09elnnam4ider9jc504mlvmthl7m1@4ax.com...
On 5 Aug 2004 14:21:04 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:
murray@wiggles.co.uk (murray) wrote in
news:cetfhq$4b0$3@pita.alt.net:
Kerry this, blah blah, Swift boat that , blah blah, Purple Hearts,
blah blah.....fact is Kerry went but BUSH STAYED HOME, and it's
ALWAYS going to come back to that..
But I thought that for the Democrats, the draft evaders and war
protestors were the true heroes of the Viet Nam war.
Bush supported the Viet Nam war.
It's one thing to oppose the war and avoid it.
It's another to support the war and avoid it.
Kinda like opposing abortion but supporting
it, huh?
Not in the least.
You seem very confused here.
Not at all.
Kerry had all those comrades up on the stage.
The truth from that period of time may never
be known, and in my opinion, doesn't matter
in deciding how to vote for president this
year.
I know that the truth is not a big concern of yours, since you support
the serial megaliar Bush.
You are being an ***** and a liar
again Liz.
Nondenial denial.
We see more and more similiarities to the Nixon administration.
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05 Aug 2004 10:46:10 AM |
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On 5 Aug 2004 14:21:04 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:
murray@wiggles.co.uk (murray) wrote in
news:cetfhq$4b0$3@pita.alt.net:
Kerry this, blah blah, Swift boat that , blah blah, Purple Hearts,
blah blah.....fact is Kerry went but BUSH STAYED HOME, and it's
ALWAYS going to come back to that..
But I thought that for the Democrats, the draft evaders and war
protestors were the true heroes of the Viet Nam war.
Check the records of the Bush Administration's neo-cons.
The Republicans are the draft dodgers.
Jingo
***
"A change is in order. There's never been a political climate like this,
which is so the polar opposite of me as a person and what I believe in."
--Natalie Maines of the Dixie Chicks, who will be joining the
"Vote For Change" Tour.
http://www.moveonpac.org/vfc/
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05 Aug 2004 09:52:02 AM |
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On 5 Aug 2004 14:21:04 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:
murray@wiggles.co.uk (murray) wrote in
news:cetfhq$4b0$3@pita.alt.net:
Kerry this, blah blah, Swift boat that , blah blah, Purple Hearts,
blah blah.....fact is Kerry went but BUSH STAYED HOME, and it's
ALWAYS going to come back to that..
But I thought that for the Democrats, the draft evaders and war
protestors were the true heroes of the Viet Nam war.
It goes to integrity. If someone had the courage to come out against
the war because they understood the horror and futility of it, and
were not afraid to speak up against it, then that shows a moral
integrity and courage. The problem is the lies and hypocrisy. So on
one hand, we have man who had the courage to go and fight, then after
seeing the horror and futility of a senseless war, had the courage to
come home and speak out against it. On the other hand, we have a man
who was a coward, and a privileged elitist, who used his connections
to get out of fighing in a war, now comes out in support of war he
knows nothing about, and now claims to be a "war president". This is
the comparision the American people must make. Compare a man with
courage and integrity against a man with cowardice and dishonesty.
That is what the Kerry/Bush race comes down to.
Hal
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05 Aug 2004 10:38:44 AM |
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<hal@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:82i4h0t2at1isofm61gohvesv3vv4c28kc@4ax.com...
On 5 Aug 2004 14:21:04 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:
murray@wiggles.co.uk (murray) wrote in
news:cetfhq$4b0$3@pita.alt.net:
Kerry this, blah blah, Swift boat that , blah blah, Purple Hearts,
blah blah.....fact is Kerry went but BUSH STAYED HOME, and it's
ALWAYS going to come back to that..
But I thought that for the Democrats, the draft evaders and war
protestors were the true heroes of the Viet Nam war.
It goes to integrity. If someone had the courage to come out against
the war because they understood the horror and futility of it, and
were not afraid to speak up against it, then that shows a moral
integrity and courage. The problem is the lies and hypocrisy. So on
one hand, we have man who had the courage to go and fight, then after
seeing the horror and futility of a senseless war, had the courage to
come home and speak out against it.
But you forgot to add that he has since lied and obfuscated
massivley in this area.
that matters, Boy does that matter.
On the other hand, we have a man
who was a coward, and a privileged elitist, who used his connections
to get out of fighing in a war, now comes out in support of war he
knows nothing about, and now claims to be a "war president".
He is a war president, he is the sitting president and we are currently at
war
with terrorists.
How hard is that to understand?
This is
the comparision the American people must make. Compare a man with
courage and integrity
And the lies he has told about it.
against a man with cowardice and dishonesty.
Who served in the air national guard, you keep saying he did not serve
when he did.
I guess all those folks who happend to be in guard units all over the
country
who did not get sent to Viet Nam are also cowards.
and the ones who served in any military enlisted/drafted, guard/fulltime
capacity that did not go to
Viet Nam are cowards as well.
I sure do love that logic, as I'm sure many verterans who served in the
military
but were in some cowardly way, not sent to the front lines.
That is what the Kerry/Bush race comes down to.
It comes down to a someone who has values and sticks to them
and another who has values but changes them based on polling data
and what gives him brownie points from the media
The choice should be easy.
Hal
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06 Aug 2004 09:44:24 AM |
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"Brian Hoffmann" <nascar@io.com> wrote in message news:<cetka6$t9u$1@galaxy.us.dell.com>...
<hal@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:82i4h0t2at1isofm61gohvesv3vv4c28kc@4ax.com...
On 5 Aug 2004 14:21:04 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:
murray@wiggles.co.uk (murray) wrote in
news:cetfhq$4b0$3@pita.alt.net:
Kerry this, blah blah, Swift boat that , blah blah, Purple Hearts,
blah blah.....fact is Kerry went but BUSH STAYED HOME, and it's
ALWAYS going to come back to that..
But I thought that for the Democrats, the draft evaders and war
protestors were the true heroes of the Viet Nam war.
It goes to integrity. If someone had the courage to come out against
the war because they understood the horror and futility of it, and
were not afraid to speak up against it, then that shows a moral
integrity and courage. The problem is the lies and hypocrisy. So on
one hand, we have man who had the courage to go and fight, then after
seeing the horror and futility of a senseless war, had the courage to
come home and speak out against it.
But you forgot to add that he has since lied and obfuscated
massivley in this area.
that matters, Boy does that matter.
On the other hand, we have a man
who was a coward, and a privileged elitist, who used his connections
to get out of fighing in a war, now comes out in support of war he
knows nothing about, and now claims to be a "war president".
He is a war president, he is the sitting president and we are currently at
war
with terrorists.
How hard is that to understand?
It's easy to understand that Bush and his ilk *need* there to be a war
going on at all times. It's the only way they can keep people
supporting them - through fear.
There is no 'war on terrorism'. Not anymore than there is a war on
drugs or a war on poverty. It's a slogan meant to stir up people's
fear and patriotism so that they won't pay attention to what the
administration actually *does*.
This is
the comparision the American people must make. Compare a man with
courage and integrity
And the lies he has told about it.
Are you talking about Bush here?
against a man with cowardice and dishonesty.
Who served in the air national guard, you keep saying he did not serve
when he did.
So where are the people who served with him? Kerry can surround
himself with people who were actually there fighting alongside him,
yet Bush can't even come up with one person who saw him on base for
the last 6 months of his service. Anyone else would have been booted
out for being AWOL, but being in a politically well-connected family
gets you out of that kind of trouble.
I guess all those folks who happend to be in guard units all over the
country
who did not get sent to Viet Nam are also cowards.
Some are, but most of them didn't get shoved to the front of the
waiting list to be a pilot when they only scored in the 25th
percentile on the pilot's test.
and the ones who served in any military enlisted/drafted, guard/fulltime
capacity that did not go to
Viet Nam are cowards as well.
Bush really displayed his courage flying sorties over his barstool in
Texas.
I sure do love that logic, as I'm sure many verterans who served in the
military
but were in some cowardly way, not sent to the front lines.
That is what the Kerry/Bush race comes down to.
It comes down to a someone who has values and sticks to them
and another who has values but changes them based on polling data
and what gives him brownie points from the media
You are seriously deluded.
The choice should be easy.
Yes, it should.
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06 Aug 2004 09:49:46 AM |
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"Ellis Dees" <dastard@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:15f31141.0408060644.1c14fb92@posting.google.com...
"Brian Hoffmann" <nascar@io.com> wrote in message
news:<cetka6$t9u$1@galaxy.us.dell.com>...
<hal@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:82i4h0t2at1isofm61gohvesv3vv4c28kc@4ax.com...
On 5 Aug 2004 14:21:04 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:
murray@wiggles.co.uk (murray) wrote in
news:cetfhq$4b0$3@pita.alt.net:
Kerry this, blah blah, Swift boat that , blah blah, Purple Hearts,
blah blah.....fact is Kerry went but BUSH STAYED HOME, and it's
ALWAYS going to come back to that..
But I thought that for the Democrats, the draft evaders and war
protestors were the true heroes of the Viet Nam war.
It goes to integrity. If someone had the courage to come out against
the war because they understood the horror and futility of it, and
were not afraid to speak up against it, then that shows a moral
integrity and courage. The problem is the lies and hypocrisy. So on
one hand, we have man who had the courage to go and fight, then after
seeing the horror and futility of a senseless war, had the courage to
come home and speak out against it.
But you forgot to add that he has since lied and obfuscated
massivley in this area.
that matters, Boy does that matter.
On the other hand, we have a man
who was a coward, and a privileged elitist, who used his connections
to get out of fighing in a war, now comes out in support of war he
knows nothing about, and now claims to be a "war president".
He is a war president, he is the sitting president and we are currently at
war
with terrorists.
How hard is that to understand?
It's easy to understand that Bush and his ilk *need* there to be a war
going on at all times. It's the only way they can keep people
supporting them - through fear.
I agree that, given current circumstances, without
the threat of terrorism Bush may have a problem
getting reelected. However, without the threat
of terrorism, the circumstances would not be the
same.
Given the current threat, I believe Bush to be
much more capable than Kerry in fighting
radical Islam.
There is no 'war on terrorism'. Not anymore than there is a war on
drugs or a war on poverty. It's a slogan meant to stir up people's
fear and patriotism so that they won't pay attention to what the
administration actually *does*.
I agree that you cannot have a war on "terrorism".
Terrorism is a tactic ... the war is against radical
Islam, but the administration is too politically
correct to call it what it is.
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06 Aug 2004 10:08:30 AM |
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Quoth (Ellis Dees) in news:15f31141.0408060644.1c14fb92
@posting.google.com:
It's easy to understand that Bush and his ilk *need* there to be a war
going on at all times. It's the only way they can keep people
supporting them - through fear.
It's also the fastest way for the military-industrialist corporate whores to
fill their sugar-daddies' coffers with the taxes paid by everyday folks like
us.
<http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm>
Especially when they are stuck with a figurehead like Dubya, who's doomed to
be a one-termer. They have to maximize the opportunity provided during that
four years, as they look to be in a somewhat weaker position for the next
eight, at least.
--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.
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06 Aug 2004 09:49:43 AM |
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Quoth (Ellis Dees) in news:15f31141.0408060644.1c14fb92
@posting.google.com:
It's easy to understand that Bush and his ilk *need* there to be a war
going on at all times. It's the only way they can keep people
supporting them - through fear.
It's also the fastest way for the military-industrialist corporate whores to
fill their sugar-daddies' coffers with the taxes paid by everyday folks like
us.
<http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm>
Especially when they are stuck with a figurehead like Dubya, who's doomed to
be a one-termer. They have to maximize the opportunity provided during that
four years, as thy look to be in a somewhat weaker position for the next
eight, at least.
--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.
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05 Aug 2004 07:48:38 AM |
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SwiftboatersSinkKerry wrote:
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:10h47bvc7pcoh97@corp.supernews.com...
Your post is ignored by most as old fashioned negative ads.
If you wanted to inform the public, why don't you spend some time on the
CURRENT issues of both men.
Perhaps one reason why America keeps discussing Kerry's 4-month Vietnam
record is because Kerry has chosen to make it the centerpiece of his bid to
become commander in chief?
Kerry spent a year and 4 months in Vietnam.
Whatever possessed Kerry to make his 4 months
in Vietnam the centerpiece of his campaign???
Kerry spent a year and 4 months in Vietnam.
And since Kerry has chosen to do that, it's certainly worthwhile for
Americans to see how Kerry's fellow Swiftboat sailors and Kerry's commanding
officers assess Kerry's performance:
http://www.swiftvets.com/
for a balanced view check snopes.com
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| User: "SwiftboatersSinkKerry" |
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05 Aug 2004 07:51:02 AM |
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"Bert Bishop" <bert_bishop@eudroamail.com> wrote in message
news:41122CA6.1707DA02@eudroamail.com...
SwiftboatersSinkKerry wrote:
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:10h47bvc7pcoh97@corp.supernews.com...
Your post is ignored by most as old fashioned negative ads.
If you wanted to inform the public, why don't you spend some time on
the
CURRENT issues of both men.
Perhaps one reason why America keeps discussing Kerry's 4-month Vietnam
record is because Kerry has chosen to make it the centerpiece of his bid
to
become commander in chief?
Kerry spent a year and 4 months in Vietnam.
Whatever possessed Kerry to make his 4 months
in Vietnam the centerpiece of his campaign???
Kerry spent a year and 4 months in Vietnam.
And since Kerry has chosen to do that, it's certainly worthwhile for
Americans to see how Kerry's fellow Swiftboat sailors and Kerry's
commanding
officers assess Kerry's performance:
http://www.swiftvets.com/
for a balanced view check snopes.com
This IS the balanced view: http://www.swiftvets.com/
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