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"Scott White" |
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29 Oct 2003 02:41:42 PM |
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Re: What is Fascism? Fascism in a Nutshell. |
LOL, you can't possibly be serious? This is really funny, I don't know
where to begin.
Firstly, most republicans advocate less government, Hitler was more of a
socialist (NAZI = National Socialist Party), therefore I think he would have
more in common with the Democrats. Hitler was also adamantly Anti-gun and
would have even MORE in common with Democrats.
I really love the Union comment, I think of those two grocery store Union
workers in California that recently assaulted and battered a replacement
worker as he attempted to break the line. Wow, sounds like their resorting
to physical violence for people disagreeing or conflicting with them?
Sounds pretty FASCIST to me!
Wait RedPill, you wouldn't happen to be sending this email from California
state prison would you?
-Scott
"RedPill" <Redpill@takeIt.com> wrote in message
news:vpt9iur855rjaa@corp.supernews.com...
Is an economic system geared to the needs, not of the people, but of the
wealthy elite.
It is a republican form of government
It features extreme forms of nationalism.
While Nazism is a form of fascism, fascism is not Nazism.
Fascism creates "enemies of the fatherland" in order to gain public
support.
These "enemies" usually include liberals, socialists, trade unionists, and
conspicuous minority groups.
Fascism is not conservative, although it often claims to be traditional.
Fascism will replace a free press with propaganda.
http://www.zeppscommentaries.com/Politics/fascism.htm
---redpill.
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| User: "Roger R" |
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| Title: Re: What is Fascism? Fascism in a Nutshell. |
29 Oct 2003 06:26:46 PM |
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"Scott White" <swhite1@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:aCVnb.6299$D87.2468@twister.austin.rr.com...
LOL, you can't possibly be serious? This is really funny, I don't know
where to begin.
Firstly, most republicans advocate less government, Hitler was more of a
socialist (NAZI = National Socialist Party),
Your ignorance is showing. Read Mein Kampf.
Assuming you can read.
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| User: "Scott White" |
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| Title: Re: What is Fascism? Fascism in a Nutshell. |
29 Oct 2003 07:23:55 PM |
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We can debate the meaning of a word or acrynym all day, but all my facts
still stand. Both Hitler and Musselini are historically known as
nationalists.
Considering the left wing advocates nationalizing industries and companies
(this is fact domestically and internationally), I don't see how you could
not align the left wing with totaltarians such as the NAZIs & Fascists.
My other point still remains too, they also agree with these extremists on
issues like gun control.
See Regulation against Jewish Possession of Weapons, 1938.
But good honest debate is what freedom is about. Even when you're wrong.
:)
-Scott
"Roger R" <jayray29remove@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Scott White" <swhite1@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:aCVnb.6299$D87.2468@twister.austin.rr.com...
LOL, you can't possibly be serious? This is really funny, I don't know
where to begin.
Firstly, most republicans advocate less government, Hitler was more of a
socialist (NAZI = National Socialist Party),
Your ignorance is showing. Read Mein Kampf.
Assuming you can read.
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| User: "Bradley K. Sherman" |
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| Title: Re: What is Fascism? Fascism in a Nutshell. |
29 Oct 2003 02:44:36 PM |
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In article <aCVnb.6299$D87.2468@twister.austin.rr.com>,
Scott White <swhite1@houston.rr.com> wrote:
LOL, you can't possibly be serious? This is really funny, I don't know
where to begin.
Firstly, most republicans advocate less government,
Since when? Who started the Department of Homeland
Security and took us $400,000,000,000 in debt this
year to pay for it?
--bks
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| User: "Scott White" |
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29 Oct 2003 03:10:31 PM |
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Good point. Republicans have not been very loyal to their ideology,
especially George W. Lately they have just been a benign tumor versus a
malignant tumor.
I would rather not have a tumor.
-Scott
"Bradley K. Sherman" <bks@panix.com> wrote in message
news:bnp8rk$6c4$1@panix1.panix.com...
In article <aCVnb.6299$D87.2468@twister.austin.rr.com>,
Scott White <swhite1@houston.rr.com> wrote:
LOL, you can't possibly be serious? This is really funny, I don't know
where to begin.
Firstly, most republicans advocate less government,
Since when? Who started the Department of Homeland
Security and took us $400,000,000,000 in debt this
year to pay for it?
--bks
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| User: "Jim Riley" |
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30 Oct 2003 11:11:44 PM |
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On 29 Oct 2003 15:44:36 -0500, (Bradley K. Sherman)
wrote:
Since when?
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Jim Riley
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| User: "RedPill" |
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30 Oct 2003 09:01:40 AM |
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in THEORY, the republicans claim they want smaller government, but only
smaller on their terms. if creating a larger military industrial complex can
be done with taxes, they are all for it. pathetic. only if they can make
money is bigger government okay.
--redpill.
"Bradley K. Sherman" <bks@panix.com> wrote in message
news:bnp8rk$6c4$1@panix1.panix.com...
In article <aCVnb.6299$D87.2468@twister.austin.rr.com>,
Scott White <swhite1@houston.rr.com> wrote:
LOL, you can't possibly be serious? This is really funny, I don't know
where to begin.
Firstly, most republicans advocate less government,
Since when? Who started the Department of Homeland
Security and took us $400,000,000,000 in debt this
year to pay for it?
--bks
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| User: "RedPill" |
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30 Oct 2003 08:59:43 AM |
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no, but I am smart enough to know that my rights as a U.S. citizen are
slowly being eroded by the 'fear' of terrorism. I'm also smart enough to
know that 'the people' are losing control of their government to big
business and the rich (special interests).
we are also losing our 'free press', a little at a time. but these things
always begin this way.
--redpill.
"Scott White" <swhite1@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:aCVnb.6299$D87.2468@twister.austin.rr.com...
LOL, you can't possibly be serious? This is really funny, I don't know
where to begin.
Firstly, most republicans advocate less government, Hitler was more of a
socialist (NAZI = National Socialist Party), therefore I think he would
have
more in common with the Democrats. Hitler was also adamantly Anti-gun and
would have even MORE in common with Democrats.
I really love the Union comment, I think of those two grocery store Union
workers in California that recently assaulted and battered a replacement
worker as he attempted to break the line. Wow, sounds like their
resorting
to physical violence for people disagreeing or conflicting with them?
Sounds pretty FASCIST to me!
Wait RedPill, you wouldn't happen to be sending this email from California
state prison would you?
-Scott
"RedPill" <Redpill@takeIt.com> wrote in message
news:vpt9iur855rjaa@corp.supernews.com...
Is an economic system geared to the needs, not of the people, but of the
wealthy elite.
It is a republican form of government
It features extreme forms of nationalism.
While Nazism is a form of fascism, fascism is not Nazism.
Fascism creates "enemies of the fatherland" in order to gain public
support.
These "enemies" usually include liberals, socialists, trade unionists,
and
conspicuous minority groups.
Fascism is not conservative, although it often claims to be traditional.
Fascism will replace a free press with propaganda.
http://www.zeppscommentaries.com/Politics/fascism.htm
---redpill.
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| User: "Pat Norton" |
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03 Nov 2003 07:52:25 AM |
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RedPill wrote:
we are also losing our 'free press', a little at a time.
Worldwide press freedom index:
www.rsf.fr/article.php3?id_article=4116
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| User: "Jim Riley" |
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05 Nov 2003 01:33:16 AM |
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On 3 Nov 2003 05:52:25 -0800, (Pat Norton) wrote:
index:
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Jim Riley
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| User: "Scott White" |
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30 Oct 2003 08:47:34 PM |
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War on Terrorism, Freedom of Speech and other civil rights are another
issue. I might agree with you on these, but the essence of communism,
Nazism, & fascism are the same.... larger government. Each under the
disguise of "Social Services", "Patriotism" then "Righteousness".
To parallel these ideas with republicans is ludicrous.
-Scott
"RedPill" <Redpill@takeIt.com> wrote in message
news:vq29todit0rf52@corp.supernews.com...
no, but I am smart enough to know that my rights as a U.S. citizen are
slowly being eroded by the 'fear' of terrorism. I'm also smart enough to
know that 'the people' are losing control of their government to big
business and the rich (special interests).
we are also losing our 'free press', a little at a time. but these things
always begin this way.
--redpill.
"Scott White" <swhite1@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:aCVnb.6299$D87.2468@twister.austin.rr.com...
LOL, you can't possibly be serious? This is really funny, I don't know
where to begin.
Firstly, most republicans advocate less government, Hitler was more of a
socialist (NAZI = National Socialist Party), therefore I think he would
have
more in common with the Democrats. Hitler was also adamantly Anti-gun
and
would have even MORE in common with Democrats.
I really love the Union comment, I think of those two grocery store
Union
workers in California that recently assaulted and battered a replacement
worker as he attempted to break the line. Wow, sounds like their
resorting
to physical violence for people disagreeing or conflicting with them?
Sounds pretty FASCIST to me!
Wait RedPill, you wouldn't happen to be sending this email from
California
state prison would you?
-Scott
"RedPill" <Redpill@takeIt.com> wrote in message
news:vpt9iur855rjaa@corp.supernews.com...
Is an economic system geared to the needs, not of the people, but of
the
wealthy elite.
It is a republican form of government
It features extreme forms of nationalism.
While Nazism is a form of fascism, fascism is not Nazism.
Fascism creates "enemies of the fatherland" in order to gain public
support.
These "enemies" usually include liberals, socialists, trade unionists,
and
conspicuous minority groups.
Fascism is not conservative, although it often claims to be
traditional.
Fascism will replace a free press with propaganda.
http://www.zeppscommentaries.com/Politics/fascism.htm
---redpill.
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| User: "Roger R" |
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| Title: Re: What is Fascism? Fascism in a Nutshell. |
31 Oct 2003 01:00:36 AM |
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"Scott White" <swhite1@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:a3kob.10981$W84.4254@twister.austin.rr.com...
War on Terrorism, Freedom of Speech and other civil rights are another
issue. I might agree with you on these, but the essence of communism,
Nazism, & fascism are the same.... larger government. Each under the
disguise of "Social Services", "Patriotism" then "Righteousness".
To parallel these ideas with republicans is ludicrous.
-Scott
What makes it ludicrous, when the current Republican administration is
taking many actions very similar to those of Fascist government in the
1930's?
The creation of Homeland Security Department is very much like the
centralization of the police functions in Germany that created the
Geheimestatzpolizei. The translation of that term would be Unified National
Police, and the short name was Gestapo. The general demonization of Arabic
and Muslim people is quite a bit like the demonization of minoirities under
the Germans (something the Italians did not do, interestingly enough). The
use of an attack on the nation is being used to stoke Nationalism and cut
back on civil rights [Reichstag fire in Germany, 9/11 here in the US]. You
can see the very totalitarian methods of stoking Nationalism in the
demonization of John Lindh and the Dixie Chicks. So far, most Americans
haven't bought it, fortunately for America.
The creation of the military courts with no access to independent defense
lawyers, and the ability of the government to arbitrarily arrest someone and
hold them without charges in secrecy without notifying anyone where they are
is a characteristic of both Germany in the 1930's and the US in this decade.
We do not to this day know how many people the federal government arrested
and held in secret after 9/11, or how many they still hold. We do know of
many who were deported with no notice and no hearing, but we do not know
what justification the government used. Admiral Poindexter's Total
Information Awareness was probably the greatest threat to the privacy of
every individual American that has ever been mounted by any government. The
potential for misuse was and remains extremely high. [Do you really think it
was shut down? I don't. It was just handed over to a more covert agency.]
"Trust us. We won't misuse these powers." Yeah, Right. That is what was said
twenty years ago about the laws permitting confiscation of property the
government alleged was used in or resulted from a crime even if no charges
swere ever filed. That was one of the most abused laws in the second half of
the Twentitieth Century. Anyone who trusts Ashcroft or Bush is a fool.
If you watched "Threat Matrix" this evening you will have seen a masterful
piece of propaganda explaining why Homeland Security Police have to be
allowed to use their judgement regarding when to use torture to protect the
US but mustn't be required to explain in court.
I do not claim that this means that it is a foregone conclusion that the
Republicans are in the process of establishing a Fascist dictatorship in the
US, but the parallels are clearly there. Denying them is extremely
dangerous.
Roger R.
"RedPill" <Redpill@takeIt.com> wrote in message
news:vq29todit0rf52@corp.supernews.com...
no, but I am smart enough to know that my rights as a U.S. citizen are
slowly being eroded by the 'fear' of terrorism. I'm also smart enough to
know that 'the people' are losing control of their government to big
business and the rich (special interests).
we are also losing our 'free press', a little at a time. but these
things
always begin this way.
--redpill.
"Scott White" <swhite1@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:aCVnb.6299$D87.2468@twister.austin.rr.com...
LOL, you can't possibly be serious? This is really funny, I don't
know
where to begin.
Firstly, most republicans advocate less government, Hitler was more of
a
socialist (NAZI = National Socialist Party), therefore I think he
would
have
more in common with the Democrats. Hitler was also adamantly Anti-gun
and
would have even MORE in common with Democrats.
I really love the Union comment, I think of those two grocery store
Union
workers in California that recently assaulted and battered a
replacement
worker as he attempted to break the line. Wow, sounds like their
resorting
to physical violence for people disagreeing or conflicting with them?
Sounds pretty FASCIST to me!
Wait RedPill, you wouldn't happen to be sending this email from
California
state prison would you?
-Scott
"RedPill" <Redpill@takeIt.com> wrote in message
news:vpt9iur855rjaa@corp.supernews.com...
Is an economic system geared to the needs, not of the people, but of
the
wealthy elite.
It is a republican form of government
It features extreme forms of nationalism.
While Nazism is a form of fascism, fascism is not Nazism.
Fascism creates "enemies of the fatherland" in order to gain public
support.
These "enemies" usually include liberals, socialists, trade
unionists,
and
conspicuous minority groups.
Fascism is not conservative, although it often claims to be
traditional.
Fascism will replace a free press with propaganda.
http://www.zeppscommentaries.com/Politics/fascism.htm
---redpill.
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| User: "RedPill" |
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31 Oct 2003 09:39:52 AM |
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Fear is a great tool for grabbing power.
--redpill.
"Roger R" <jayray29remove@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:oMnob.289$Lh1.140@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com...
"Scott White" <swhite1@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:a3kob.10981$W84.4254@twister.austin.rr.com...
War on Terrorism, Freedom of Speech and other civil rights are another
issue. I might agree with you on these, but the essence of communism,
Nazism, & fascism are the same.... larger government. Each under the
disguise of "Social Services", "Patriotism" then "Righteousness".
To parallel these ideas with republicans is ludicrous.
-Scott
What makes it ludicrous, when the current Republican administration is
taking many actions very similar to those of Fascist government in the
1930's?
The creation of Homeland Security Department is very much like the
centralization of the police functions in Germany that created the
Geheimestatzpolizei. The translation of that term would be Unified
National
Police, and the short name was Gestapo. The general demonization of Arabic
and Muslim people is quite a bit like the demonization of minoirities
under
the Germans (something the Italians did not do, interestingly enough). The
use of an attack on the nation is being used to stoke Nationalism and cut
back on civil rights [Reichstag fire in Germany, 9/11 here in the US]. You
can see the very totalitarian methods of stoking Nationalism in the
demonization of John Lindh and the Dixie Chicks. So far, most Americans
haven't bought it, fortunately for America.
The creation of the military courts with no access to independent defense
lawyers, and the ability of the government to arbitrarily arrest someone
and
hold them without charges in secrecy without notifying anyone where they
are
is a characteristic of both Germany in the 1930's and the US in this
decade.
We do not to this day know how many people the federal government arrested
and held in secret after 9/11, or how many they still hold. We do know of
many who were deported with no notice and no hearing, but we do not know
what justification the government used. Admiral Poindexter's Total
Information Awareness was probably the greatest threat to the privacy of
every individual American that has ever been mounted by any government.
The
potential for misuse was and remains extremely high. [Do you really think
it
was shut down? I don't. It was just handed over to a more covert agency.]
"Trust us. We won't misuse these powers." Yeah, Right. That is what was
said
twenty years ago about the laws permitting confiscation of property the
government alleged was used in or resulted from a crime even if no charges
swere ever filed. That was one of the most abused laws in the second half
of
the Twentitieth Century. Anyone who trusts Ashcroft or Bush is a fool.
If you watched "Threat Matrix" this evening you will have seen a masterful
piece of propaganda explaining why Homeland Security Police have to be
allowed to use their judgement regarding when to use torture to protect
the
US but mustn't be required to explain in court.
I do not claim that this means that it is a foregone conclusion that the
Republicans are in the process of establishing a Fascist dictatorship in
the
US, but the parallels are clearly there. Denying them is extremely
dangerous.
Roger R.
"RedPill" <Redpill@takeIt.com> wrote in message
news:vq29todit0rf52@corp.supernews.com...
no, but I am smart enough to know that my rights as a U.S. citizen are
slowly being eroded by the 'fear' of terrorism. I'm also smart enough
to
know that 'the people' are losing control of their government to big
business and the rich (special interests).
we are also losing our 'free press', a little at a time. but these
things
always begin this way.
--redpill.
"Scott White" <swhite1@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:aCVnb.6299$D87.2468@twister.austin.rr.com...
LOL, you can't possibly be serious? This is really funny, I don't
know
where to begin.
Firstly, most republicans advocate less government, Hitler was more
of
a
socialist (NAZI = National Socialist Party), therefore I think he
would
have
more in common with the Democrats. Hitler was also adamantly
Anti-gun
and
would have even MORE in common with Democrats.
I really love the Union comment, I think of those two grocery store
Union
workers in California that recently assaulted and battered a
replacement
worker as he attempted to break the line. Wow, sounds like their
resorting
to physical violence for people disagreeing or conflicting with
them?
Sounds pretty FASCIST to me!
Wait RedPill, you wouldn't happen to be sending this email from
California
state prison would you?
-Scott
"RedPill" <Redpill@takeIt.com> wrote in message
news:vpt9iur855rjaa@corp.supernews.com...
Is an economic system geared to the needs, not of the people, but
of
the
wealthy elite.
It is a republican form of government
It features extreme forms of nationalism.
While Nazism is a form of fascism, fascism is not Nazism.
Fascism creates "enemies of the fatherland" in order to gain
public
support.
These "enemies" usually include liberals, socialists, trade
unionists,
and
conspicuous minority groups.
Fascism is not conservative, although it often claims to be
traditional.
Fascism will replace a free press with propaganda.
http://www.zeppscommentaries.com/Politics/fascism.htm
---redpill.
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| User: "neoclassical" |
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31 Oct 2003 10:57:36 AM |
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I might agree with you on these, but the essence of communism,
Nazism, & fascism are the same.... larger government. Each under the
disguise of "Social Services", "Patriotism" then "Righteousness".
I think you mean "more powerful government." Nazism, communism, fascism, and
totalitarianism are collectivist forms of government; authoritarianism is
use of power for its own sake. It seems to me that liberal democracies, with
their expectation of government services, will provide for the largest
government with the most implied but not literal power.
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| User: "Jim Riley" |
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01 Nov 2003 09:58:14 PM |
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:57:36 GMT, "neoclassical"
<neoclassical-music@necrocapitalist.org> wrote:
I think
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Jim Riley
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