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Topic: Politics > Politics-USA
User: "sara"
Date: 01 May 2004 01:53:30 PM
Object: Re: WHAT WAS BUSH SMOKING?
I heard he scored some grass from the Canadian PM.
"Viejo Vizcacha" <Elbie_Jovis_Kasha@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Stan Pierce" <tpierce@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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"Ivan Gowch" <gowch@SPAMTHEENOThotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1c7590dlon9knvav1b7oqi4d839rsng2kj@4ax.com...(snipped)

Mr. Bush has enmeshed us in a war that we can't win and that we don't
know how to end. Each loss of a life in this tragic exercise is a
reminder of lessons never learned from history.


Remind me of the lessons learned from history. One that I remember well

was

that you pummel your enemy to smithereens so they don't get up again.

You

show compassion only after it is all finished with, not listening to

the

'international community' and weakening your position.


That's exactly what Bush did when he decide to attack Iraq.


The Marines were just getting ready to blast Fallujah to a pulp and

along

comes an Iraqi general 'offering' to help ! And he gets listened too.
Marvelous isn't it. The general's future army was going down the drain

fast

and he jumped in to be 'helpful'.
The Marines could have waited until all the boy scouts with guns had run

out

of amunition if they had wanted to. But the 'compassionate general'
spooks you. You listened to WORDS instead of finishing the job and it

will

cost you more lives.

Stan Pierce.


I am sorry to say this, but it does not seem you have learnt any lessons.
The war was won. The after-war has been lost. It is already lost. This
administration had one full year to restablish order in Iraq, to bring

back

water, and electricity. In one full year the occupation forces have been
unable to bring iraq to the level it had before the invasion, let alone
improve the conditions of living. Ths after war has been lost. Now, it

does

not matter what Americans do. If they leave, they will be seen as cowards.
If they stay, they will be seen as stubborn. If they stay and fight they

can

either lose, in which case their enemies will celebrate, or they can win.
But they can only win by inflicting heavy losses among civilians, and that
will show them as callous. Any way they choose, they lose.

The only way they could win would be by entering the cities, and fighting
street by street, and going for the combatants while avoiding (as much as
can be expected) civilian population. But that cannot be done without

heavy

losses on the American side. The public will not stand for that, and the
president will not stand for that in an election year. So now the options
are either you run away, or you kill Arabs by the hundreds of thousands.

I guess the Netanyahu was right when he said Americans would learn to feel
like Israelis. All that blood, all that money, all that time, wasted. Of
course, you can win by treating them like beasts. Only problem is that you
too become a beast.

VV


.

User: "Bill Wallace"

Title: Re: WHAT WAS BUSH SMOKING? 01 May 2004 06:29:22 PM
I think he was smoking some herb (during the Viet-Nam war, when he was
supposed to be on duty in the air force).
And he was drinking a lot too.
But that's all over now.. His last buzz is Religious Enligntenment through
the practice of War.
Bill
sara <sara@home.nospam> wrote in message
news:c70rmk$5vt$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...

I heard he scored some grass from the Canadian PM.



"Viejo Vizcacha" <Elbie_Jovis_Kasha@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Q2Hkc.43492$8%.38098@nntp-post.primus.ca...

"Stan Pierce" <tpierce@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:1KFkc.6233$TT.3501@news-server.bigpond.net.au...


"Ivan Gowch" <gowch@SPAMTHEENOThotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1c7590dlon9knvav1b7oqi4d839rsng2kj@4ax.com...(snipped)

Mr. Bush has enmeshed us in a war that we can't win and that we

don't

know how to end. Each loss of a life in this tragic exercise is a
reminder of lessons never learned from history.


Remind me of the lessons learned from history. One that I remember

well

was

that you pummel your enemy to smithereens so they don't get up again.

You

show compassion only after it is all finished with, not listening to

the

'international community' and weakening your position.


That's exactly what Bush did when he decide to attack Iraq.


The Marines were just getting ready to blast Fallujah to a pulp and

along

comes an Iraqi general 'offering' to help ! And he gets listened

too.

Marvelous isn't it. The general's future army was going down the

drain

fast

and he jumped in to be 'helpful'.
The Marines could have waited until all the boy scouts with guns had

run

out

of amunition if they had wanted to. But the 'compassionate general'
spooks you. You listened to WORDS instead of finishing the job and it

will

cost you more lives.

Stan Pierce.


I am sorry to say this, but it does not seem you have learnt any

lessons.

The war was won. The after-war has been lost. It is already lost. This
administration had one full year to restablish order in Iraq, to bring

back

water, and electricity. In one full year the occupation forces have been
unable to bring iraq to the level it had before the invasion, let alone
improve the conditions of living. Ths after war has been lost. Now, it

does

not matter what Americans do. If they leave, they will be seen as

cowards.

If they stay, they will be seen as stubborn. If they stay and fight they

can

either lose, in which case their enemies will celebrate, or they can

win.

But they can only win by inflicting heavy losses among civilians, and

that

will show them as callous. Any way they choose, they lose.

The only way they could win would be by entering the cities, and

fighting

street by street, and going for the combatants while avoiding (as much

as

can be expected) civilian population. But that cannot be done without

heavy

losses on the American side. The public will not stand for that, and the
president will not stand for that in an election year. So now the

options

are either you run away, or you kill Arabs by the hundreds of thousands.

I guess the Netanyahu was right when he said Americans would learn to

feel

like Israelis. All that blood, all that money, all that time, wasted. Of
course, you can win by treating them like beasts. Only problem is that

you

too become a beast.

VV




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