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"caquixote" |
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06 May 2004 10:08:33 PM |
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Re: What's really going on with those Iraqi prison pictures. |
Your right, your insane.
We went to their country. We wanted to liberate Iraq. We wanted to remove
Saddam b/c of crimes against humanity!
At least thats what the Bush Admin has been telling us! Now we look about
as bad as Saddam, at least to the Arab world.
This entire problem was created by the Bush Administration!! Why get mad at
the liberals?
Did the liberals send us to Iraq?
You said the left is not looking at the larger plan? Bush is not looking at
the larger plan!! He has played right into OBL plan!! OBL is in a dark and
dirty cave LOL & thanking GWBush & Co. for making his dream come true...but
I suppose the left is to blam for that as well.
I know some creative Repug will find a way to blam this on Clinton...LOL
"iNsAnE iNsUrGeNt" <tortureme@iraqiprison.com> wrote in message
news:oDCmc.310$KE6.307@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Pure propaganda. Those guards who took part in that are just pawns in a
larger game--too bad for them. They have sacrificed without knowing it.
Watch them all get off with just a slap on the wrist. The left in America
also plays right into the larger plan of things by calling for
resignations
and investigations.
And now any hostage being held in Iraq will not be videotaped while having
his or her throat cut for the viewing entertainment of the Arab world or
else all those Arab TV stations lose what little credibility they have
left.
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| User: "free" |
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| Title: Re: What's really going on with those Iraqi prison pictures. |
07 May 2004 06:41:24 AM |
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If Kerry wins it looks like the US will have a
person that can debate and has real experience
of debating in the highest legistlator of the
land, Congress. Now won't that be a novelty.
I'm still trying to track down some depth
in Bush debating stlye. He seems a bit short.
Did Bush have a clue when he sent the US to Iraq?
caquixote wrote:
Your right, your insane.
We went to their country. We wanted to liberate Iraq. We wanted to remove
Saddam b/c of crimes against humanity!
At least thats what the Bush Admin has been telling us! Now we look about
as bad as Saddam, at least to the Arab world.
This entire problem was created by the Bush Administration!! Why get mad at
the liberals?
Did the liberals send us to Iraq?
You said the left is not looking at the larger plan? Bush is not looking at
the larger plan!! He has played right into OBL plan!! OBL is in a dark and
dirty cave LOL & thanking GWBush & Co. for making his dream come true...but
I suppose the left is to blam for that as well.
I know some creative Repug will find a way to blam this on Clinton...LOL
"iNsAnE iNsUrGeNt" <tortureme@iraqiprison.com> wrote in message
news:oDCmc.310$KE6.307@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Pure propaganda. Those guards who took part in that are just pawns in a
larger game--too bad for them. They have sacrificed without knowing it.
Watch them all get off with just a slap on the wrist. The left in America
also plays right into the larger plan of things by calling for
resignations
and investigations.
And now any hostage being held in Iraq will not be videotaped while having
his or her throat cut for the viewing entertainment of the Arab world or
else all those Arab TV stations lose what little credibility they have
left.
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| User: "OrionCA" |
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| Title: Re: What's really going on with those Iraqi prison pictures. |
07 May 2004 10:24:58 AM |
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On Fri, 07 May 2004 23:41:24 +1200, free <free@freedom.place> wrote:
If Kerry wins it looks like the US will have a
person that can debate and has real experience
of debating in the highest legistlator of the
land, Congress. Now won't that be a novelty.
I'm still trying to track down some depth
in Bush debating stlye. He seems a bit short.
"Debating Style" as in, "GORE WILL KICK BUSH'S ***** IN THE DEBATES!!!"?
Yah, right.
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From 1984 to present Kerry has maintained that he
"Never implied he threw away his own medals" during
a war protest in 1971.
"I gave back, I can't remember, 6, 7, 8, 9 medals,"
Kerry said in an interview on a Washington, D.C.
news program on WRC-TV's called Viewpoints on
November 6, 1971.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Politics/Investigation/kerry_vietnam_medals_040425.html
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| User: "free" |
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| Title: Re: What's really going on with those Iraqi prison pictures. |
07 May 2004 01:46:55 PM |
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OrionCA wrote:
On Fri, 07 May 2004 23:41:24 +1200, free <free@freedom.place> wrote:
If Kerry wins it looks like the US will have a
person that can debate and has real experience
of debating in the highest legistlator of the
land, Congress. Now won't that be a novelty.
I'm still trying to track down some depth
in Bush debating stlye. He seems a bit short.
"Debating Style" as in, "GORE WILL KICK BUSH'S ***** IN THE DEBATES!!!"?
Exactly my point, like a clash of one liners is a debate!
Oh, and Gore did convince more people to vote for him,
he just wasn't lawyered up like Bush, didn't have a
Brother Governer and a Republician legistlator to rubber
stamp a invalid election count.
Do you notice a trend yet, Bush lives off low standards
and lapses in standards, in election processes, US homeland
terrorism protection, lapses of WMD intelligence,
now lapses in prisoner supervision.
None is his responsiblity.
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| User: "OrionCA" |
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| Title: Re: What's really going on with those Iraqi prison pictures. |
07 May 2004 10:01:51 PM |
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On Sat, 08 May 2004 06:46:55 +1200, free <free@freedom.place> wrote:
OrionCA wrote:
On Fri, 07 May 2004 23:41:24 +1200, free <free@freedom.place> wrote:
If Kerry wins it looks like the US will have a
person that can debate and has real experience
of debating in the highest legistlator of the
land, Congress. Now won't that be a novelty.
I'm still trying to track down some depth
in Bush debating stlye. He seems a bit short.
"Debating Style" as in, "GORE WILL KICK BUSH'S ***** IN THE DEBATES!!!"?
Exactly my point, like a clash of one liners is a debate!
Oh, and Gore did convince more people to vote for him,
Gore was running ahead of Bush in the polls before the debate. The
"surge" in votes for Gore was actually a product of the billion-dollar
get-out-the-vote drive the Democrats ran in the week leading up to the
election. If they had had a halfway reasonable candidate - heck, if
they had run MIGHTY MOUSE, they would have won. Unfortunately Gore
couldn't even deliver his home state of Tennessee and Bush won in the
Electoral college.
he just wasn't lawyered up like Bush,
You obviously weren't paying attention. Ever hear of Lawrence Tribe?
No? He's one of the top legal experts in the country and has argued
(and won) many cases before the US Supreme Court. He was just *one*
member of Gore's legal team. Gore was flying lawyers into Florida the
morning after the election. They went all over the state, challenging
every Bush ballot they could during the official recount and before
the Bush legal effort was even begun.
didn't have a
Brother Governer and a Republician legistlator to rubber
stamp a invalid election count.
That would be, "an" invalid election count. No one has ever come up
with a more accurate count. You just don't like how it came out and
you're still whining.
Do you notice a trend yet, Bush lives off low standards
and lapses in standards, in election processes, US homeland
terrorism protection, lapses of WMD intelligence,
now lapses in prisoner supervision.
None is his responsiblity.
None is his fault, you mean. Must be galling to be ***** slapped all
the time by someone you consider so inferior to you. Couldn't be -
GASP! - that he is actually SUPERIOR to you?
--
From 1984 to present Kerry has maintained that he
"Never implied he threw away his own medals" during
a war protest in 1971.
"I gave back, I can't remember, 6, 7, 8, 9 medals,"
Kerry said in an interview on a Washington, D.C.
news program on WRC-TV's called Viewpoints on
November 6, 1971.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Politics/Investigation/kerry_vietnam_medals_040425.html
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| User: "gaffo" |
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| Title: Re: What's really going on with those Iraqi prison pictures. |
07 May 2004 07:02:47 PM |
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free wrote:
If Kerry wins it looks like the US will have a
person that can debate and has real experience
of debating in the highest legistlator of the
land, Congress. Now won't that be a novelty.
I'm still trying to track down some depth
in Bush debating stlye. He seems a bit short.
Did Bush have a clue when he sent the US to Iraq?
Kerry's looking like the dud he has always been. a Gore -type, wooden.
The Democrats should have elected Dean!!! they are fools in not doing so.
I hope i'm wrong.
--
http://baltimorechronicle.com/041704reTreason.shtml
http://www.truthinaction.net/iraq/illegaljayne.htm
"The new administration seems to be paying no attention to the problem
of terrorism. What they will do is stagger along until there's a major
incident and then suddenly say, 'Oh my God, shouldn't we be organized
to deal with this?'"
- Paul Bremer, speaking to a McCormick Tribune Foundation conference
on terrorism in Wheaton, Ill. on Feb. 26, 2001.
"On Jan. 26, 1998, President Clinton received a letter imploring him to use
his State of the Union address to make removal of Saddam Hussein's regime
the "aim of American foreign policy" and to use military action because
"diplomacy is failing." Were Clinton to do that, the signers pledged, they
would "offer our full support in this difficult but necessary endeavor."
Signing the pledge were Elliott Abrams, Bill Bennett, John Bolton, Robert
Kagan, William Kristol, Richard Perle, and Paul Wolfowitz. Four years before
9/11, the neocons had Baghdad on their minds."
-philip (usenet)
"I had better things to do in the 60s than fight in Vietnam,"
-Richard Cheney, Kerry critic.
"I hope they will understand that in order for this government to get up
and running
- to be effective - some of its sovereignty will have to be given
back, if I can put it that way,
or limited by them, It's sovereignty but [some] of that sovereignty they
are going to allow us to exercise
on their behalf and with their permission."
- Powell 4/27/04
"We're trying to explain how things are going, and they are going as they
are going," he said, adding: "Some things are going well and some things
obviously are not going well. You're going to have good days and bad days."
On the road to democracy, this "is one moment, and there will be other
moments. And there will be good moments and there will be less good
moments."
- Rumsfeld 4/6/04
RUSSERT: Are you prepared to lose?
BUSH: No, I'm not going to lose.
RUSSERT: If you did, what would you do?
BUSH: Well, I don't plan on losing. I've got a vision for what I want to
do for the country.
See, I know exactly where I want to lead.................And we got
changing times
here in America, too., 2/8/04
"And that's very important for, I think, the people to understand where
I'm coming from,
to know that this is a dangerous world. I wish it wasn't. I'm a war
president.
I make decisions here in the Oval Office in foreign policy matters with
war on my mind.
- pResident of the United State of America, 2/8/04
"Let's talk about the nuclear proposition for a minute. We know that
based on intelligence, that he has been very, very good at hiding
these kinds of efforts. He's had years to get good at it and we know
he has been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons.
And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."
- Vice President ***** Cheney, on "Meet the Press", 3/16/03
"I don't know anybody that I can think of who has contended that the
Iraqis had nuclear weapons."
- Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, 6/24/03
"I think in this case international law
stood in the way of doing the right thing (invading Iraq)."
- Richard Perle
"He (Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with
respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project
conventional power against his neighbours."
- Colin Powell February 24 2001
"We have been successful for the last ten years in keeping
him from developing those weapons and we will continue to be successful."
"He threatens not the United States."
"But I also thought that we had pretty
much removed his stings and frankly for ten years we really have."
'But what is interesting is that with the regime that has been in place
for the past ten years, I think a pretty good job has been done of
keeping him from breaking out and suddenly showing up one day and saying
"look what I got." He hasn't been able to do that.'
- Colin Powell February 26 2001
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| User: "OrionCA" |
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07 May 2004 10:29:33 PM |
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On Sat, 08 May 2004 00:02:47 GMT, gaffo <gaffo@usenet.net> wrote:
free wrote:
If Kerry wins it looks like the US will have a
person that can debate and has real experience
of debating in the highest legistlator of the
land, Congress. Now won't that be a novelty.
I'm still trying to track down some depth
in Bush debating stlye. He seems a bit short.
Did Bush have a clue when he sent the US to Iraq?
Kerry's looking like the dud he has always been. a Gore -type, wooden.
You give him too much credit. If you looked at Kerry's political
record with an apolitical eye, you'd realize that he's even more of a
zero than Gore. He ran as a flaming leftwing antiwar activist and
spent the next 20 years sitting on the back row voting pretty much as
Ted Kennedy told him to. Even granting that a full-size SUV would be
eclipsed in Ted Kennedy's shadow, John Kerry's political career has
been a complete and utter bust as far as the causes he swore to fight
for as a young man. He's such a nothing that when he first declared
his candidacy some of the leftwing loons around here gushed about BOB
KERREY's Senate resume' and Vietnam medals for awhile - they had no
fucking clue who he was.
The Democrats should have elected Dean!!! they are fools in not doing so.
I hope i'm wrong.
No, gaffo; this is what the world really looks like when you're sober.
If the DNC runs the kind of full court press for him in November 2004
as they did in November 2000 he'll win a lot of Electoral votes and
might even eke out a win if the much-touted GOP counterpart turns out
to be a dud. But even if the unthinkable happened and he took the
oath of office on January 20th 2005 he'd be such a preposterous,
pompous self-serving twit that you'll never regain control of Congress
or see much of anything done that you'd like. He's not a
smooth-talking snake oil salesman like Clinton was and can't hack it
on his own. At his rallies 5-10 celebrities are introduced before him
to whip up the crowd and get it excited and happy. By the time he
finishes speaking there are crickets chirping in the dark and half the
audience is either asleep or snuck out to avoid the crush of all the
cars leaving the parking lot at once.
--
From 1984 to present Kerry has maintained that he
"Never implied he threw away his own medals" during
a war protest in 1971.
"I gave back, I can't remember, 6, 7, 8, 9 medals,"
Kerry said in an interview on a Washington, D.C.
news program on WRC-TV's called Viewpoints on
November 6, 1971.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Politics/Investigation/kerry_vietnam_medals_040425.html
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| User: "Wm Dawol" |
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07 May 2004 10:44:15 PM |
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In article <lejo90thtsc2eitef6n9k7n7b75r7873fl@4ax.com>, says...
free wrote:
If Kerry wins it looks like the US will have a
person that can debate and has real experience
of debating in the highest legistlator of the
land, Congress. Now won't that be a novelty.
I'm still trying to track down some depth
in Bush debating stlye. He seems a bit short.
Did Bush have a clue when he sent the US to Iraq?
Kerry's looking like the dud he has always been. a Gore -type, wooden.
You give him too much credit. If you looked at Kerry's political
record with an apolitical eye, you'd realize that he's even more of a
zero than Gore. He ran as a flaming leftwing antiwar activist and
spent the next 20 years sitting on the back row voting pretty much as
Ted Kennedy told him to. Even granting that a full-size SUV would be
eclipsed in Ted Kennedy's shadow, John Kerry's political career has
been a complete and utter bust as far as the causes he swore to fight
for as a young man. He's such a nothing that when he first declared
his candidacy some of the leftwing loons around here gushed about BOB
KERREY's Senate resume' and Vietnam medals for awhile - they had no
fucking clue who he was.
Oh please clue us in, then. Why hold back!
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| User: "gaffo" |
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| Title: Re: What's really going on with those Iraqi prison pictures. |
07 May 2004 07:01:19 PM |
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caquixote wrote:
Your right, your insane.
We went to their country. We wanted to liberate Iraq. We wanted to remove
Saddam b/c of crimes against humanity!
At least thats what the Bush Admin has been telling us! Now we look about
as bad as Saddam, at least to the Arab world.
This entire problem was created by the Bush Administration!! Why get mad at
the liberals?
Did the liberals send us to Iraq?
You said the left is not looking at the larger plan? Bush is not looking at
the larger plan!! He has played right into OBL plan!! OBL is in a dark and
dirty cave LOL & thanking GWBush & Co. for making his dream come true...but
I suppose the left is to blam for that as well.
I know some creative Repug will find a way to blam this on Clinton...LOL
"iNsAnE iNsUrGeNt" <tortureme@iraqiprison.com> wrote in message
news:oDCmc.310$KE6.307@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Pure propaganda. Those guards who took part in that are just pawns in a
larger game--too bad for them. They have sacrificed without knowing it.
Watch them all get off with just a slap on the wrist. The left in America
also plays right into the larger plan of things by calling for
resignations
and investigations.
And now any hostage being held in Iraq will not be videotaped while having
his or her throat cut for the viewing entertainment of the Arab world or
else all those Arab TV stations lose what little credibility they have
left.
it clinton's fault. he is the devil himself.
bu$h is my god - may he rape pillage and murder those heathans in the
name of God's love.
peace.
--
http://baltimorechronicle.com/041704reTreason.shtml
http://www.truthinaction.net/iraq/illegaljayne.htm
"The new administration seems to be paying no attention to the problem
of terrorism. What they will do is stagger along until there's a major
incident and then suddenly say, 'Oh my God, shouldn't we be organized
to deal with this?'"
- Paul Bremer, speaking to a McCormick Tribune Foundation conference
on terrorism in Wheaton, Ill. on Feb. 26, 2001.
"On Jan. 26, 1998, President Clinton received a letter imploring him to use
his State of the Union address to make removal of Saddam Hussein's regime
the "aim of American foreign policy" and to use military action because
"diplomacy is failing." Were Clinton to do that, the signers pledged, they
would "offer our full support in this difficult but necessary endeavor."
Signing the pledge were Elliott Abrams, Bill Bennett, John Bolton, Robert
Kagan, William Kristol, Richard Perle, and Paul Wolfowitz. Four years before
9/11, the neocons had Baghdad on their minds."
-philip (usenet)
"I had better things to do in the 60s than fight in Vietnam,"
-Richard Cheney, Kerry critic.
"I hope they will understand that in order for this government to get up
and running
- to be effective - some of its sovereignty will have to be given
back, if I can put it that way,
or limited by them, It's sovereignty but [some] of that sovereignty they
are going to allow us to exercise
on their behalf and with their permission."
- Powell 4/27/04
"We're trying to explain how things are going, and they are going as they
are going," he said, adding: "Some things are going well and some things
obviously are not going well. You're going to have good days and bad days."
On the road to democracy, this "is one moment, and there will be other
moments. And there will be good moments and there will be less good
moments."
- Rumsfeld 4/6/04
RUSSERT: Are you prepared to lose?
BUSH: No, I'm not going to lose.
RUSSERT: If you did, what would you do?
BUSH: Well, I don't plan on losing. I've got a vision for what I want to
do for the country.
See, I know exactly where I want to lead.................And we got
changing times
here in America, too., 2/8/04
"And that's very important for, I think, the people to understand where
I'm coming from,
to know that this is a dangerous world. I wish it wasn't. I'm a war
president.
I make decisions here in the Oval Office in foreign policy matters with
war on my mind.
- pResident of the United State of America, 2/8/04
"Let's talk about the nuclear proposition for a minute. We know that
based on intelligence, that he has been very, very good at hiding
these kinds of efforts. He's had years to get good at it and we know
he has been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons.
And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."
- Vice President ***** Cheney, on "Meet the Press", 3/16/03
"I don't know anybody that I can think of who has contended that the
Iraqis had nuclear weapons."
- Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, 6/24/03
"I think in this case international law
stood in the way of doing the right thing (invading Iraq)."
- Richard Perle
"He (Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with
respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project
conventional power against his neighbours."
- Colin Powell February 24 2001
"We have been successful for the last ten years in keeping
him from developing those weapons and we will continue to be successful."
"He threatens not the United States."
"But I also thought that we had pretty
much removed his stings and frankly for ten years we really have."
'But what is interesting is that with the regime that has been in place
for the past ten years, I think a pretty good job has been done of
keeping him from breaking out and suddenly showing up one day and saying
"look what I got." He hasn't been able to do that.'
- Colin Powell February 26 2001
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