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User: "John \Gee, nice tits!\ Kerry"
Date: 12 Feb 2004 01:21:43 PM
Object: Re: What's wrong with 'gay' marriage
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Brain Death writes:


Brain> On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:19:45 GMT, BlackWater <bw@barrk.net>

wrote:

Antimulticulture@somewhere.com wrote:

What's wrong with 'gay' marriage


Nothing really - except that it gives certain
redneck fuddie-duddies high blood pressure.


Brain> You mean redneck fuddie-duddies like Bill Clinton and John

Kerry?


Brain> This is a far more complex legal issue than you imagine, which

is why

Brain> even the Democrats are not falling all over themselves to

support gay

Brain> marriage. For example, do you allow gay married couples to

adopt?


Of course. They already can and are, on average, just
as good as parents.

Doubtful, but it doesn't matter, since the 11th U.S. Circuit Court has
ALREADY ruled that it is Constitutional to BAN homosexual couples from
adopting.
.

User: "John LaVoy"

Title: Re: What's wrong with 'gay' marriage 12 Feb 2004 01:45:35 PM
"John "Gee, nice tits!" Kerry" <BigFraudAdulterer@Heinz.com> wrote in
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Of course. They already can and are, on average, just
as good as parents.



Doubtful,

This is demonstrably wrong. All available scientific study I can fnd
indicates there is no difference between children of gay or other parents.
but it doesn't matter, since the 11th U.S. Circuit Court has

ALREADY ruled that it is Constitutional to BAN homosexual couples from
adopting.

It won't matter until the SCOTUS rules on it. If they do, the ban is not
likely to stand.



.
User: "John \Gee, nice tits!\ Kerry"

Title: Re: What's wrong with 'gay' marriage 12 Feb 2004 02:01:03 PM
"John LaVoy" <jlavoy@pobox.upenn.edu> wrote in message
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"John "Gee, nice tits!" Kerry" <BigFraudAdulterer@Heinz.com> wrote in
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Of course. They already can and are, on average, just
as good as parents.



Doubtful,


This is demonstrably wrong. All available scientific study I can fnd
indicates there is no difference between children of gay or other parents.

but it doesn't matter, since the 11th U.S. Circuit Court has

ALREADY ruled that it is Constitutional to BAN homosexual couples from
adopting.


It won't matter until the SCOTUS rules on it. If they do, the ban is not
likely to stand.

It will certainly stand if a US Constitution amendment is passed. And
ALREADY over 3/4's of the states have passed state constitutional amendments
outlawing same-sex "marriage", LaVoy.
.
User: "Fraelich"

Title: Re: What's wrong with 'gay' marriage 12 Feb 2004 09:25:08 PM
Here is my 2 cents;
First off I was raised following one major rule they taught in school
back in the day, "Treat others the way you wish to be treated."
So, lets look at this from a different point of veiw, lets say for
example in some alternate universe, Same Sex Marriage was the norm.
Women married women and men married men. Now in this alternate
universe you for some reason, don't have an attraction to the same sex
as the majority does, but you find your self attracted to the opposite
sex. You meet this person and fall in love, you live together for many
years. living the life you have always felt was right. years pass and
your "partner" is aging and is having medical problems. You find out
they are passing on in to (religious preference here). Your partner
was the bread winner of the house and you are a house "partner", which
is fine because your partner has made lots of money and invested
wisely for your future. You start signing medical paperwork for
treatments and the such. Your partner passes on and you grieve. The
family of the dearly departed remove you from "thier" home,
considering you a "bad chapter" in your partners life. They also want
the money, which by law you have no rights, maybe the will wasn't
filled in correctly or out of date, whatever. You have just lost
someone you loved dearly, lost your home, and no means to pay for all
the treatment you signed for because the family took all the money.
You didn't get to sit at your partners bed side during the worst of it
because you weren't family or relative. Life is sucking. the only
thing that would have made this all the much easier is marriage.
alot of people are saying that marriage is an institution of the
church, this I believe is incorrect, for the simple reason, that as
soon as the government started recognizing marriage as a legal binding
contract, it stopped belonging to the church.
back to you and your sorted tale, you don't want to change peoples
views, beliefs, or ask for thier acceptance. All you want is the same
rights and freedoms as everyone else.
There was alot of talk about 6k years ago, well I don't know about
back then, I wasn't alive, and I don't care. I do hear alot about
being "oppressed", forced to live a certain way. We came to America to
escape the church of england, what if someone said, "but it's been
like this for centuries!". I don't think that would have slowed them
down much.
I do disagree with "civil unions" I think it's a poloticians way of
avoiding the issue, as well as a way of giving the "big businesses" a
possible "loop hole" for having to pay benifits to surviving spouses
as well as other monies. This is a common decency issue. They have as
much right as you or I do to marry and live with whom they want with
out being treated as a minority. I do predict this will be legalized
when the supreme court rules, which probably won't be until after the
presidential election. for those that feel it's wrong to allow same
sex marriages, don't do it, and ignore those that do, I'm sure they
won't mind.
you get to choose your religion, not your sexual orientation. You
choose where you live, not who love.
.
User: "David Moffitt weaselkiller@ prodigy.net"

Title: Re: What's wrong with 'gay' marriage 12 Feb 2004 09:40:23 PM
"Fraelich" <fraelich@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Here is my 2 cents;

First off I was raised following one major rule they taught in school
back in the day, "Treat others the way you wish to be treated."

So, lets look at this from a different point of veiw, lets say for
example in some alternate universe, Same Sex Marriage was the norm.
Women married women and men married men. Now in this alternate
universe you for some reason, don't have an attraction to the same sex
as the majority does, but you find your self attracted to the opposite
sex. You meet this person and fall in love, you live together for many
years. living the life you have always felt was right. years pass and
your "partner" is aging and is having medical problems. You find out
they are passing on in to (religious preference here). Your partner
was the bread winner of the house and you are a house "partner", which
is fine because your partner has made lots of money and invested
wisely for your future. You start signing medical paperwork for
treatments and the such. Your partner passes on and you grieve. The
family of the dearly departed remove you from "thier" home,

%%%% If he was smart enough to invst wisely why was he so stupid to not
write a will?

considering you a "bad chapter" in your partners life. They also want
the money, which by law you have no rights, maybe the will wasn't
filled in correctly or out of date, whatever. You have just lost
someone you loved dearly, lost your home, and no means to pay for all
the treatment you signed for because the family took all the money.

%%%% As his Durable Power of Attorney for Healthcare the estate is
responsible for the debt.

You didn't get to sit at your partners bed side during the worst of it
because you weren't family or relative.

%%%% As his Durable Power of Attorney for Healthcare you have all of the
rights as far as the federal laws are concerned.
Life is sucking. the only

thing that would have made this all the much easier is marriage.

%%%% Not true.


alot of people are saying that marriage is an institution of the
church, this I believe is incorrect, for the simple reason, that as
soon as the government started recognizing marriage as a legal binding
contract, it stopped belonging to the church.

back to you and your sorted tale, you don't want to change peoples
views, beliefs, or ask for thier acceptance. All you want is the same
rights and freedoms as everyone else.

%%%% You already have them.


There was alot of talk about 6k years ago, well I don't know about
back then, I wasn't alive, and I don't care. I do hear alot about
being "oppressed", forced to live a certain way. We came to America to
escape the church of england, what if someone said, "but it's been
like this for centuries!". I don't think that would have slowed them
down much.

I do disagree with "civil unions" I think it's a poloticians way of
avoiding the issue, as well as a way of giving the "big businesses" a
possible "loop hole" for having to pay benifits to surviving spouses
as well as other monies. This is a common decency issue. They have as
much right as you or I do to marry and live with whom they want with
out being treated as a minority. I do predict this will be legalized
when the supreme court rules, which probably won't be until after the
presidential election. for those that feel it's wrong to allow same
sex marriages, don't do it, and ignore those that do, I'm sure they
won't mind.

you get to choose your religion, not your sexual orientation. You
choose where you live, not who love.

.

User: "Jeffrey Scott Linder"

Title: Re: What's wrong with 'gay' marriage 13 Feb 2004 08:16:48 AM
(Fraelich) wrote:

Here is my 2 cents;

First off I was raised following one major rule they taught in school
back in the day, "Treat others the way you wish to be treated."

So, lets look at this from a different point of veiw, lets say for
example in some alternate universe, Same Sex Marriage was the norm.
Women married women and men married men. Now in this alternate
universe you for some reason, don't have an attraction to the same sex
as the majority does, but you find your self attracted to the opposite
sex. You meet this person and fall in love, you live together for many
years. living the life you have always felt was right. years pass and
your "partner" is aging and is having medical problems. You find out
they are passing on in to (religious preference here). Your partner
was the bread winner of the house and you are a house "partner", which
is fine because your partner has made lots of money and invested
wisely for your future. You start signing medical paperwork for
treatments and the such. Your partner passes on and you grieve. The
family of the dearly departed remove you from "thier" home,
considering you a "bad chapter" in your partners life. They also want
the money, which by law you have no rights, maybe the will wasn't
filled in correctly or out of date, whatever. You have just lost
someone you loved dearly, lost your home, and no means to pay for all
the treatment you signed for because the family took all the money.
You didn't get to sit at your partners bed side during the worst of it
because you weren't family or relative. Life is sucking. the only
thing that would have made this all the much easier is marriage.

HIre a lawyer and write a will. Its really not difficult or
expensive.

alot of people are saying that marriage is an institution of the
church, this I believe is incorrect, for the simple reason, that as
soon as the government started recognizing marriage as a legal binding
contract, it stopped belonging to the church.

back to you and your sorted tale, you don't want to change peoples
views, beliefs, or ask for thier acceptance. All you want is the same
rights and freedoms as everyone else.

There was alot of talk about 6k years ago, well I don't know about
back then, I wasn't alive, and I don't care. I do hear alot about
being "oppressed", forced to live a certain way. We came to America to
escape the church of england, what if someone said, "but it's been
like this for centuries!". I don't think that would have slowed them
down much.

I do disagree with "civil unions" I think it's a poloticians way of
avoiding the issue, as well as a way of giving the "big businesses" a
possible "loop hole" for having to pay benifits to surviving spouses
as well as other monies. This is a common decency issue. They have as
much right as you or I do to marry and live with whom they want with
out being treated as a minority. I do predict this will be legalized
when the supreme court rules, which probably won't be until after the
presidential election. for those that feel it's wrong to allow same
sex marriages, don't do it, and ignore those that do, I'm sure they
won't mind.

you get to choose your religion, not your sexual orientation. You
choose where you live, not who love.

JSL
.




User: ""

Title: Re: What's wrong with 'gay' marriage 12 Feb 2004 02:59:37 PM

John \"Gee, nice tits!\" Kerry writes:

ahall@no-spam-panix.com> wrote in message

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Brain Death writes:


Brain> On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:19:45 GMT, BlackWater <bw@barrk.net>
wrote>

Antimulticulture@somewhere.com wrote:

What's wrong with 'gay' marriage


Nothing really - except that it gives certain
redneck fuddie-duddies high blood pressure.


Brain> You mean redneck fuddie-duddies like Bill Clinton and John
John> Kerry?


Brain> This is a far more complex legal issue than you imagine, which
John> is why
Brain> even the Democrats are not falling all over themselves to
John> support gay
Brain> marriage. For example, do you allow gay married couples to
John> adopt?


Of course. They already can and are, on average, just
as good as parents.

John> Doubtful, but it doesn't matter, since the 11th U.S. Circuit Court has
Factual.
John> ALREADY ruled that it is Constitutional to BAN homosexual couples from
John> adopting.
They were wrong.
--
Andrew Hall
(Now reading Usenet in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh...)
.


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