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"DemsLackGravitas" |
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11 Dec 2003 06:23:55 AM |
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Re: Who's Outsourcing? Wouldn't you like to know?! |
"news.west.cox.net" <x@y.com> wrote in message
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America will lose over three million jobs to offshore outsourcing in the
next ten years.
In five minutes at www.whosoutsourcing.com you can contact every
Presidential candidate, your elected officials (you don't even have to
know
who they are - just enter your zip code), and even some of the companies
involved and let them know what you think.
With the Presidential primaries so close, shouldn't the candidates start
talking about something *YOU* care about? With our site, you can let them
know *EXACTLY* what you want your next president to do!
It's free: no registration required, no ads, no spam. Just a place for
you
to speak your mind to people whose job it is to care.
You have a voice; you wonder if it is ever heard.
We help make sure it is.
www.whosoutsourcing.com
The time for silence is over.
Is there a space on that web site where we can thank the president for the
lower costs to us consumers due to the products being manufactured overseas
rather than here with artificially high labor costs brought on by union
greed? You appear to have written your post TOTALLY from the perspective of
the aggrieved union worker, and have TOTALLY failed to take into
consideration the fact that there are also American CONSUMERS whose opinions
are every bit as worthwhile as are the opinions of the greedy union workers.
One of the reasons why consumers flock to Wal*Marts is because the
Chinese-manufactured items sold there are much cheaper (and, in some cases,
better made!) than the stuff made in union shops. There is NO reason for
you to ASSUME that the opinion of a union worker (or perhaps I should say
NON-worker in this instance!) is more valuable than that of a consumer
struggling to make her family's budget balance and who just got through
watching the Democrats in this country voting to take MORE of her family's
earnings (via their blatant opposition to tax cuts) and who thus isn't too
happy with the Democrat Party to begin with. The fact that the Democrat
Party tends to side with the greedy union worker only ticks off the consumer
even more, needless to say.
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| User: "Robin" |
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| Title: Re: Who's Outsourcing? Wouldn't you like to know?! |
11 Dec 2003 07:20:40 AM |
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"DemsLackGravitas" <LiteWeightDems@RNC.net> wrote in message
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"news.west.cox.net" <x@y.com> wrote in message
news:jyUBb.20308$yf.4342@fed1read01...
America will lose over three million jobs to offshore outsourcing in the
next ten years.
In five minutes at www.whosoutsourcing.com you can contact every
Presidential candidate, your elected officials (you don't even have to
know
who they are - just enter your zip code), and even some of the companies
involved and let them know what you think.
With the Presidential primaries so close, shouldn't the candidates start
talking about something *YOU* care about? With our site, you can let
them
know *EXACTLY* what you want your next president to do!
It's free: no registration required, no ads, no spam. Just a place for
you
to speak your mind to people whose job it is to care.
You have a voice; you wonder if it is ever heard.
We help make sure it is.
www.whosoutsourcing.com
The time for silence is over.
Is there a space on that web site where we can thank the president for the
lower costs to us consumers due to the products being manufactured
overseas
rather than here with artificially high labor costs brought on by union
greed? You appear to have written your post TOTALLY from the perspective
of
the aggrieved union worker, and have TOTALLY failed to take into
consideration the fact that there are also American CONSUMERS whose
opinions
are every bit as worthwhile as are the opinions of the greedy union
workers.
One of the reasons why consumers flock to Wal*Marts is because the
Chinese-manufactured items sold there are much cheaper (and, in some
cases,
better made!) than the stuff made in union shops. There is NO reason for
you to ASSUME that the opinion of a union worker (or perhaps I should say
NON-worker in this instance!) is more valuable than that of a consumer
struggling to make her family's budget balance and who just got through
watching the Democrats in this country voting to take MORE of her family's
earnings (via their blatant opposition to tax cuts) and who thus isn't too
happy with the Democrat Party to begin with. The fact that the Democrat
Party tends to side with the greedy union worker only ticks off the
consumer
even more, needless to say.
If you like cheap Chinese goods so much, why don't you go live in China with
the rest of the communists. Communists don't like labor unions who stand up
for the rights of the worker either. I guess you'd be very happy to see
Americans working for 17 cents an hour so you can buy some cheap shoes.
Meanwhile who's going to support the families of these people that are
working for poverty wages? Who's going to take care of their families when
they get sick and they have no health coverage? Don't say the emergency
room as is your usual ignorant response. When someone has to go to the
emergency room to receive non-emergency medical treatment, medical costs go
up for everyone. But of course you are not concerned with American workers,
you just want cheap shoes.
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| User: "DemsLackGravitas" |
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| Title: Re: Who's Outsourcing? Wouldn't you like to know?! |
11 Dec 2003 07:33:30 AM |
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"Robin" <robinandtami@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"DemsLackGravitas" <LiteWeightDems@RNC.net> wrote in message
news:vlZBb.362983$ao4.1224873@attbi_s51...
"news.west.cox.net" <x@y.com> wrote in message
news:jyUBb.20308$yf.4342@fed1read01...
America will lose over three million jobs to offshore outsourcing in
the
next ten years.
In five minutes at www.whosoutsourcing.com you can contact every
Presidential candidate, your elected officials (you don't even have to
know
who they are - just enter your zip code), and even some of the
companies
involved and let them know what you think.
With the Presidential primaries so close, shouldn't the candidates
start
talking about something *YOU* care about? With our site, you can let
them
know *EXACTLY* what you want your next president to do!
It's free: no registration required, no ads, no spam. Just a place
for
you
to speak your mind to people whose job it is to care.
You have a voice; you wonder if it is ever heard.
We help make sure it is.
www.whosoutsourcing.com
The time for silence is over.
Is there a space on that web site where we can thank the president for
the
lower costs to us consumers due to the products being manufactured
overseas
rather than here with artificially high labor costs brought on by union
greed? You appear to have written your post TOTALLY from the
perspective
of
the aggrieved union worker, and have TOTALLY failed to take into
consideration the fact that there are also American CONSUMERS whose
opinions
are every bit as worthwhile as are the opinions of the greedy union
workers.
One of the reasons why consumers flock to Wal*Marts is because the
Chinese-manufactured items sold there are much cheaper (and, in some
cases,
better made!) than the stuff made in union shops. There is NO reason
for
you to ASSUME that the opinion of a union worker (or perhaps I should
say
NON-worker in this instance!) is more valuable than that of a consumer
struggling to make her family's budget balance and who just got through
watching the Democrats in this country voting to take MORE of her
family's
earnings (via their blatant opposition to tax cuts) and who thus isn't
too
happy with the Democrat Party to begin with. The fact that the Democrat
Party tends to side with the greedy union worker only ticks off the
consumer
even more, needless to say.
If you like cheap Chinese goods so much, why don't you go live in China
with
the rest of the communists.
Because I'd rather live here and simply PURCHASE Chinese-manufactured goods.
You got a problem with that?
Conversely, if greedy union workers like a job so much, why don't they go
live in China with the rest of the communists and work in the Chinese
factories?
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| User: "Polybius" |
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| Title: Democrats for Bush Campaign Poster |
11 Dec 2003 07:42:27 AM |
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Democrats for Bush campaign poster:
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/images/news/bush_poster2.jpg
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| User: "DemsLackGravitas" |
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| Title: Re: Democrats for Bush Campaign Poster |
11 Dec 2003 08:06:05 AM |
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"Polybius" <Polybius@Mail2World.com> wrote in message
news:6v_Bb.1375$_5.646@news.randori.com...
Democrats for Bush campaign poster:
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/images/news/bush_poster2.jpg
It won't work, for the simple reason that the Democrats haven't called for
closing off our porous borders. In fact, if anything, the Democrat Party
has a bad track record of trying to ENCOURAGE illegal aliens. Consider, for
example, Democrat Gray Davis wanting to give California drivers' licenses to
illegal aliens!
You see, the rather stale "attack Bush" ads don't work, when everybody knows
the Democrats are even WORSE on those issues. No, the Democrats need to try
and come up with a heckuva a lot more than just their "attack Bush" agenda.
That's all they've got right now. Simply put, they lack intellectual
gravitas.
No, the Democrats need to begin to try and come up with useful (and
SPECIFIC) plans of their own. As it is right now, the Democrats have
nothing to offer the American people, other than more of their party's lame
"attack Bush" agenda.
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| User: "JoettaB" |
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| Title: Re: Who's Outsourcing? Wouldn't you like to know?! |
11 Dec 2003 11:01:39 AM |
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"DemsLackGravitas" <LiteWeightDems@RNC.net> wrote in message
news:vlZBb.362983$ao4.1224873@attbi_s51...
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You appear to have written your post TOTALLY from the perspective of
the aggrieved union worker, and have TOTALLY failed to take into
consideration the fact that there are also American CONSUMERS whose
opinions
are every bit as worthwhile as are the opinions of the greedy union
workers.
One of the reasons why consumers flock to Wal*Marts is because the
Chinese-manufactured items sold there are much cheaper (and, in some
cases,
better made!) than the stuff made in union shops.
That might wash if it weren't for the fact that unionization is rising in
China. LOL
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/55/304.html
http://www.china.org.cn/english/features/48646.htm
http://www.ilo.org/public/english/protection/ses/info/database/china.htm
http://www.china-labour.org.hk/iso/article.adp?article_id=4989
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| User: "Bulwark" |
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| Title: Re: Who's Outsourcing? Wouldn't you like to know?! |
15 Dec 2003 05:05:52 PM |
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Hey DemsLackGravitas -
In re-reading your message, I just realized that your comments
indicate you never even bothered to look at our site before passing
judgement. Talk about a total lack of gravitas, who's the
light-weight now <grin>?
"DemsLackGravitas" <LiteWeightDems@RNC.net> wrote in message news:<vlZBb.362983$ao4.1224873@attbi_s51>...
"news.west.cox.net" <x@y.com> wrote in message
news:jyUBb.20308$yf.4342@fed1read01...
America will lose over three million jobs to offshore outsourcing in the
next ten years.
In five minutes at www.whosoutsourcing.com you can contact every
Presidential candidate, your elected officials (you don't even have to
know
who they are - just enter your zip code), and even some of the companies
involved and let them know what you think.
With the Presidential primaries so close, shouldn't the candidates start
talking about something *YOU* care about? With our site, you can let them
know *EXACTLY* what you want your next president to do!
It's free: no registration required, no ads, no spam. Just a place for
you
to speak your mind to people whose job it is to care.
You have a voice; you wonder if it is ever heard.
We help make sure it is.
www.whosoutsourcing.com
The time for silence is over.
Is there a space on that web site where we can thank the president for the
lower costs to us consumers due to the products being manufactured overseas
rather than here with artificially high labor costs brought on by union
greed? You appear to have written your post TOTALLY from the perspective of
the aggrieved union worker, and have TOTALLY failed to take into
consideration the fact that there are also American CONSUMERS whose opinions
are every bit as worthwhile as are the opinions of the greedy union workers.
One of the reasons why consumers flock to Wal*Marts is because the
Chinese-manufactured items sold there are much cheaper (and, in some cases,
better made!) than the stuff made in union shops. There is NO reason for
you to ASSUME that the opinion of a union worker (or perhaps I should say
NON-worker in this instance!) is more valuable than that of a consumer
struggling to make her family's budget balance and who just got through
watching the Democrats in this country voting to take MORE of her family's
earnings (via their blatant opposition to tax cuts) and who thus isn't too
happy with the Democrat Party to begin with. The fact that the Democrat
Party tends to side with the greedy union worker only ticks off the consumer
even more, needless to say.
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| User: "Bulwark" |
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| Title: Re: Who's Outsourcing? Wouldn't you like to know?! |
13 Dec 2003 03:36:07 AM |
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Of course there is a link to the President's campaign contacts, just
as there are for all the other major candidates.
Of course, this president didn't invent offshore outsourcing anymore
than Al Gore invented the internet, but go ahead and thank anyone you
want for anything you want (that's the great thing about living in a
great conuntry).
Will it still be a great country in five years? Now *THAT* is a good
question. Will American consumers have jobs that will allow them to
shop even at Wal-Mart's discount prices?
That's the real problem, isn't it? You talk about producers and
consumers like ther are seperate entities. Which are you (and if you
say anything but "both", you haven't thought about the question hard
enough)? So what happens to consumers that are not allowed to produce
anymore? Answer: they lose their ability to consume.
Next comes the question of truth (or in this case half-truth) in
advertising. Are companies *ACTUALLY* getting the benefits they claim
they are getting by outsourcing? I fear that by the time we find out
that this was just another short-term strategy to manipulate the value
of the stock (flat out lying about the fundamentals got less
attractive after Enron), it will be too late.
It is easy for a CEO to stand up in front of the board and their
investors and claim an 80% savings by outsourcing. How do we arrive
at that number? Simple math: we used to have to pay an American $100
an hour to do this job, we now pay $20 and hour.
The math is simple, and wrong. There are so many hidden costs
involved in outsourcing that *NO ONE* is saving 80%. Companies that
have become good at it through several failed projects and lots of
hard lessons are lucky to squeeze a 20% savings out of it. When you
factor in the fact that in many cases you are *GIVING* away
intellectual property or at least placing it at risk; when you factor
in the eventual deterioration of our skills here (given the current
work environment, what college freshman is going to *WILLINGLY* become
a Comp. Sci. major, and what happens to our "deep" discounts when
there is no one left here to give the job back to when the gouging
begins?); when you factor in the eventual economic downturn this
strategy must cause on our shores (and by then the CEOs who have
perpetrated this fraud will have cashed out their stock options,
bought their own islands and in the ultimate act of off-shoring,
retired to them), I would argue that you have paid *WAY* more than
that 20% savings is worth.
This is not a Republican vs. Democrat issue. This is an American
economy issue.
If your only motivation is to save two-bucks on sneakers at Wal-Mart,
no one is stopping you (again, the benefits of living in a great
country). I hope you can still afford them in five years.
"DemsLackGravitas" <LiteWeightDems@RNC.net> wrote in message news:<vlZBb.362983$ao4.1224873@attbi_s51>...
"news.west.cox.net" <x@y.com> wrote in message
news:jyUBb.20308$yf.4342@fed1read01...
America will lose over three million jobs to offshore outsourcing in the
next ten years.
In five minutes at www.whosoutsourcing.com you can contact every
Presidential candidate, your elected officials (you don't even have to
know
who they are - just enter your zip code), and even some of the companies
involved and let them know what you think.
With the Presidential primaries so close, shouldn't the candidates start
talking about something *YOU* care about? With our site, you can let them
know *EXACTLY* what you want your next president to do!
It's free: no registration required, no ads, no spam. Just a place for
you
to speak your mind to people whose job it is to care.
You have a voice; you wonder if it is ever heard.
We help make sure it is.
www.whosoutsourcing.com
The time for silence is over.
Is there a space on that web site where we can thank the president for the
lower costs to us consumers due to the products being manufactured overseas
rather than here with artificially high labor costs brought on by union
greed? You appear to have written your post TOTALLY from the perspective of
the aggrieved union worker, and have TOTALLY failed to take into
consideration the fact that there are also American CONSUMERS whose opinions
are every bit as worthwhile as are the opinions of the greedy union workers.
One of the reasons why consumers flock to Wal*Marts is because the
Chinese-manufactured items sold there are much cheaper (and, in some cases,
better made!) than the stuff made in union shops. There is NO reason for
you to ASSUME that the opinion of a union worker (or perhaps I should say
NON-worker in this instance!) is more valuable than that of a consumer
struggling to make her family's budget balance and who just got through
watching the Democrats in this country voting to take MORE of her family's
earnings (via their blatant opposition to tax cuts) and who thus isn't too
happy with the Democrat Party to begin with. The fact that the Democrat
Party tends to side with the greedy union worker only ticks off the consumer
even more, needless to say.
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