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"Art Clemons" |
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12 Jan 2008 06:05:20 PM |
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Re: WHY AMERICA DOESN'T CARE WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS |
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America sets the Standards for the Rest of the
World to FOLLOW.........The American Economy LEADS the Rest of the
World
Oh you mean that the rest of the world measures things in feet, inches,
yards, miles, ounces, pounds and the like. Somehow I don't think so.
Further, have you noticed that the US trade deficit is up? The US economy
is in trouble while those of Europe and much of the rest of the world seem
to be moving along.
Once again, you didn't pay attention to details and tried to give us
jingoism and nonsense!
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| User: "Art Clemons" |
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| Title: Re: WHY AMERICA DOESN'T CARE WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS |
12 Jan 2008 11:56:31 PM |
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Further, have you noticed that the US trade deficit is up?
So?.........Is that supposed to Mean Something, DumbAss?.........
Means the US isn't an economic leader except in deficits
Once again, you didn't pay attention to details and tried to give us
jingoism and nonsense!
Go Buy a Brain Cell, DumbAss.........That's IF you can Afford
One..........Donchaknow.........
If I had only one Brain Cell, that would still be at least half a brain cell
more than you.
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| User: "Art Clemons" |
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| Title: Re: WHY AMERICA DOESN'T CARE WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS |
13 Jan 2008 02:21:27 PM |
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Means the US isn't an economic leader except in deficits
H-O-R-S-E-S-H-I-T............
Just because you know what horse manure is doesn't mean that you're correct.
I note how you cannot list things the US is considered a leader in that the
rest of the world would want to emulate either.
Once again, you didn't pay attention to details and tried to give us
jingoism and nonsense!
Go Buy a Brain Cell, DumbAss.........That's IF you can Afford
One..........Donchaknow.........
If I had only one Brain Cell, that would still be at least half a brain
cell more than you. ?
You DON'T have even One Brain Cell,
I still have more than you, that leaves you in the negative range doesn't
it?
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| User: "Art Clemons" |
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| Title: Re: WHY AMERICA DOESN'T CARE WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS |
14 Jan 2008 09:21:12 PM |
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theloneranger100 wrote:
America is the LEADER of the Free World, DumbAss...........You can
dispute that if you want, but America CALLS THE
SHOTS.
Gee, that's why France, Germany, and most of the European Union are there
fighting in Iraq, correct? They already want to leave Afghanistan behind
too. Some leadership you're proclaiming. Of course, with dumbya leading,
everything was bound to turn up ***** backwards anyway.
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| User: "Art Clemons" |
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| Title: Re: WHY AMERICA DOESN'T CARE WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS |
14 Jan 2008 09:37:48 PM |
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theloneranger100 wrote:
Nope.........That why America is KICKING ***** in
Iraq..
Uh huh, and that's why the Iraqi government is ready to take over and not
have a civil war when the US pulls out in three months right? You're
insane, the US can occupy Iraq from here to eternity, but when it leaves,
it's going to leave behind a bloodbath.
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| User: "Art Clemons" |
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| Title: Re: WHY AMERICA DOESN'T CARE WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS |
15 Jan 2008 06:54:46 AM |
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Uh huh, and that's why the Iraqi government is ready to take over and not
have a civil war when the US pulls out in three months right? ?You're
insane, the US can occupy Iraq from here to eternity, but when it leaves,
it's going to leave behind a bloodbath.
Dream On,
Name a rational scenario that doesn't involve the various factions in Iraq
trying to settle things without foreign troops to hold down the violence!
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| User: "Bert Hyman" |
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| Title: Re: WHY AMERICA DOESN'T CARE WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS |
12 Jan 2008 06:17:33 PM |
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In news:85mdnZ4AFINdyBTanZ2dnUVZ_vjinZ2d@comcast.com Art Clemons
<ArtClemons@aolSPAM.com> wrote:
The US economy is in trouble while those of Europe and much of the
rest of the world seem to be moving along.
"Jan. 12 (Bloomberg) -- The euro's gains are harming the economy of the
15 nations sharing the currency and may exacerbate a forecast slowdown
in growth, European officials said."
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=axN1TyBZkNNA&refer=europe
"Jan. 12 (Bloomberg) -- U.K. economic growth slowed to the weakest pace
in two years during the fourth quarter, the National Institute of
Economic and Social Research estimates."
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&refer=europe&sid=adUCEqvAW8P4
"Jan. 12 (Bloomberg) -- European stocks fell for a fifth week, the
longest losing streak since August, as the European Central Bank and the
Bank of England failed to ease concern credit-market turmoil will curb
economic and profit growth."
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&refer=europe&sid=aE21S_EgDZHQ
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Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com
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| User: "Art Clemons" |
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| Title: Re: WHY AMERICA DOESN'T CARE WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS |
12 Jan 2008 06:41:18 PM |
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Bert Hyman wrote:
"Jan. 12 (Bloomberg) -- The euro's gains are harming the economy of the
15 nations sharing the currency and may exacerbate a forecast slowdown
in growth, European officials said."
It's still not clear if the US is in recession or not, if so, even a
slowdown is better!
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| User: "Art Clemons" |
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| Title: Re: WHY AMERICA DOESN'T CARE WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS |
12 Jan 2008 11:57:02 PM |
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Why do you Bastards take such Absolute Delight in Bad Things happening
to America?......
Why are you changing the topic again? Didn't you complain about me doing
that?
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| User: "Art Clemons" |
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| Title: Re: WHY AMERICA DOESN'T CARE WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS |
13 Jan 2008 02:19:07 PM |
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Why do you Bastards take such Absolute Delight in Bad Things happening
to America?......
Why are you changing the topic again?
I'm NOT, DumbAss..........It's MY
Thread
Look at the subject line again, then tell me with a straight face you're not
committing topic drift. Like I said before, just because you start a topic
doesn't mean that you aren't deviating from the subject originally started
with!
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| User: "Art Clemons" |
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| Title: Re: WHY AMERICA DOESN'T CARE WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS |
14 Jan 2008 09:19:50 PM |
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theloneranger100 wrote:
I'm NOT, Dumbass........I was just Responding to YOUR "Topic Drift"'
Go back and read this thread again. I didn't drift at all this time. You
drifted away to insult and I asked why you were drifting. Once again,
you're inconsistent and producing nonsense!
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| User: "Art Clemons" |
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| Title: Re: WHY AMERICA DOESN'T CARE WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS |
14 Jan 2008 09:35:13 PM |
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theloneranger100 wrote:
Yeah you DID...
Who made the gratuitous insult, turkey brain?
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| User: "Art Clemons" |
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| Title: Re: WHY AMERICA DOESN'T CARE WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS |
15 Jan 2008 06:56:47 AM |
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Who made the gratuitous insult, turkey brain?
That's what you get for trying to Change the Topic,
Brain damaged, I pointed a flaw in your reasoning, you then made a personal
attack. Good luck in trying to comprehend. I remained on topic until your
attack too!
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| User: "Bob" |
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| Title: Re: WHY AMERICA DOESN'T CARE WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS |
13 Jan 2008 09:35:39 AM |
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theloneranger100@aol.com wrote:
Why do you Bastards take such Absolute Delight in Bad Things happening
to America?......
It's either jealousy or immaturity ... and sometimes both.
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| User: "Art Clemons" |
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| Title: Re: WHY AMERICA DOESN'T CARE WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS |
13 Jan 2008 02:19:56 PM |
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Bob wrote:
Why do you Bastards take such Absolute Delight in Bad Things happening
to America?......
It's either jealousy or immaturity ... and sometimes both.
It's more like fear and loathing for the idiots who drove the US to that
point instead. Why would anyone be jealous of an idiot who cannot do
anything correctly?
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| User: "Karen Y Byrd" |
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| Title: Re: WHY AMERICA DOESN'T CARE WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS |
14 Jan 2008 07:26:54 AM |
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On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:41:18 -0500, Art Clemons <ArtClemons@aolSPAM.com> wrote:
Bert Hyman wrote:
"Jan. 12 (Bloomberg) -- The euro's gains are harming the economy of the
15 nations sharing the currency and may exacerbate a forecast slowdown
in growth, European officials said."
It's still not clear if the US is in recession or not, if so, even a
slowdown is better!
It will be clear in the next few weeks.
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| User: "Karen Y Byrd" |
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| Title: Re: WHY AMERICA DOESN'T CARE WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS |
14 Jan 2008 07:26:08 AM |
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On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:05:20 -0500, Art Clemons <ArtClemons@aolSPAM.com> wrote:
theloneranger100@aol.com wrote:
America sets the Standards for the Rest of the
World to FOLLOW.........The American Economy LEADS the Rest of the
World
Oh you mean that the rest of the world measures things in feet, inches,
yards, miles, ounces, pounds and the like. Somehow I don't think so.
Further, have you noticed that the US trade deficit is up? The US economy
is in trouble
You probably saw that NYC is booming because of foreign tourists who
are finding coming here cheap. Since I go there a lot I can
tell you that yes it's booming wrt people. When the sidewalks
are often gridlocked, as they are in many places in Manhattan
anyway, that's proof enough for me!
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| User: "Art Clemons" |
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| Title: Re: WHY AMERICA DOESN'T CARE WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS |
14 Jan 2008 12:01:35 PM |
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Karen Y Byrd wrote:
You probably saw that NYC is booming because of foreign tourists who
are finding coming here cheap. Since I go there a lot I can
tell you that yes it's booming wrt people. When the sidewalks
are often gridlocked, as they are in many places in Manhattan
anyway, that's proof enough for me!
Sadly tourism in general doesn't produce good paying jobs. Many of the jobs
generated are for retail clerks, poorly paid "tour guides", and hotel
workers. NYC incidentally has always had a lot of folks from "out of town"
wandering around except when the media made NYC seem so dangerous that it
scared folks away. Pardon my cynicism but lower prices for things in the
USA isn't going to make the US better off unless the US starts produces
things the rest of the world wants to buy.
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| User: "Karen Y Byrd" |
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15 Jan 2008 07:47:31 AM |
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:01:35 -0500, Art Clemons <ArtClemons@aolSPAM.com> wrote:
Karen Y Byrd wrote:
You probably saw that NYC is booming because of foreign tourists who
are finding coming here cheap. Since I go there a lot I can
tell you that yes it's booming wrt people. When the sidewalks
are often gridlocked, as they are in many places in Manhattan
anyway, that's proof enough for me!
Sadly tourism in general doesn't produce good paying jobs.
Yeah, but in many instances, like here, that's(and other
bits of the hospitality industry) all we've
got for people who don't have a lot of education.
Many of the jobs
generated are for retail clerks, poorly paid "tour guides", and hotel
workers.
So what do you suggest since we're not going to have
places like this ever again:
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/20080115_Families_with_heart_of_steel.html
NYC incidentally has always had a lot of folks from "out of town"
Incidentally Art, sometimes you are so downright patronizing, like
you are the only one on the planet who knows anything or thinks
about issues, that it distracts from your general POV which, many times,
I agree with you.
To get back to your point above, I KNOW NEW YORK HAS ALWAYS
HAD OUT-OF-TOWN VISITORS! I go there all the time and have
for 40 years, all right?
wandering around except when the media made NYC seem so dangerous that it
scared folks away.
Well, that was bollocks, in a way, because there still were PLENTY of people
then too.
Pardon my cynicism but lower prices for things in the
USA isn't going to make the US better off unless the US starts produces
things the rest of the world wants to buy.
Like what besides airplanes wrt manufactured goods?
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| User: "Art Clemons" |
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15 Jan 2008 10:36:28 PM |
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Karen Y Byrd wrote:
Sadly tourism in general doesn't produce good paying jobs.
Yeah, but in many instances, like here, that's(and other
bits of the hospitality industry) all we've
got for people who don't have a lot of education.
I have to wonder why more students in Philadelphia can't be educated for
decent trades like electrical work, plumbing and the like or why unions
don't apprentice more Philadelphians. There are other choices, we don't
educate or train for them.
Many of the jobs
generated are for retail clerks, poorly paid "tour guides", and hotel
workers.
So what do you suggest since we're not going to have
places like this ever again:
I'ld suggest concentrating on jobs with a long likelihood of surviving,
rather than in effect preparing students with an education more suited to
1930 than now in the public schools.
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To get back to your point above, I KNOW NEW YORK HAS ALWAYS
HAD OUT-OF-TOWN VISITORS! I go there all the time and have
for 40 years, all right?
wandering around except when the media made NYC seem so dangerous that it
scared folks away.
Well, that was bollocks, in a way, because there still were PLENTY of
people then too.
Lots of folks wondered how I could ride the subway in NYC at night, it was
relatively safer and a lot more reliable than waiting for a cab. I still
remember tourists clutching their wallets and showing just how much they
were carrying, making them in effect victims. In fact, just avoiding
places with few people at night made mugging and other crimes a whole lot
less likely. If the media had emphasized simple safety rules like that,
there would never have been the fear that lead to NYC declining. Of
course, Koch as mayor made things worse too with his policies, but I guess
people forget his record.
Pardon my cynicism but lower prices for things in the
USA isn't going to make the US better off unless the US starts produces
things the rest of the world wants to buy.
Like what besides airplanes wrt manufactured goods?
The US can produce high tech items like LCD screens, LED screens, and even
semiconductors. Most of the savings experienced in production in Asia is
because of investment in better techniques and equipment rather than labor
savings. Lot tech things like hammers might not be a good choice, but high
tech is. Similarly, there is no reason the US can't manufacture cars and
other items other folks will buy, rather than large pickup trucks and SUVs.
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| User: "Karen Y Byrd" |
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16 Jan 2008 12:31:25 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:36:28 -0500, Art Clemons <ArtClemons@aolSPAM.com> wrote:
Karen Y Byrd wrote:
Sadly tourism in general doesn't produce good paying jobs.
Yeah, but in many instances, like here, that's(and other
bits of the hospitality industry) all we've
got for people who don't have a lot of education.
I have to wonder why more students in Philadelphia can't be educated for
decent trades like electrical work, plumbing and the like or why unions
don't apprentice more Philadelphians. There are other choices, we don't
educate or train for them.
Orleans Tech, which you probably know has just expanded its campus, can only
do so much. There are people there now, who are ex-offenders, who
are determined to stay out of prison and I, certainly, congratulate
them for trying to do just that!
Now if only the local building trades would do what they are supposed to:
*de-segregate*. I'm sure you are following that story as am I.
wandering around except when the media made NYC seem so dangerous that it
scared folks away.
Well, that was bollocks, in a way, because there still were PLENTY of
people then too.
Lots of folks wondered how I could ride the subway in NYC at night, it was
relatively safer and a lot more reliable than waiting for a cab.
Right. I've *always* ridden the subway up there. I was more concerned
about the condition of some trains, years ago, and about whether they would
physically make it, than anything having to do with my personal
safety a la muggings.
I've never felt any fear in NYC even when 8th Ave and 42nd St looked
awful and had a lot of porn shops or the Bowery was loaded with bums
(the Bowery is still kinda crappy) and so on. Now Times Sq is like "Disneyland"
or Vegas. It's cleaner which is fine but making it safe for
folks from, say, Kansas City, is well, not what a great/interesting
city is supposed to about.
I still
remember tourists clutching their wallets and showing just how much they
were carrying, making them in effect victims.
Some of them are probably still doing that!
In fact, just avoiding
places with few people at night made mugging and other crimes a whole lot
less likely.
Well, a friend of mine and I used to go to just borning clubs in the
meat packing district 20 years ago, when it was pretty bad
around there and no was living around there and, you guessd it...
no one got mugged. Not a darned thing happened.
If the media had emphasized simple safety rules like that,
there would never have been the fear that lead to NYC declining.
And people wonder why I stopped watching TV. I mean this is it:
fear-mongering when my own experience told me the danger
was a lot less than the media would have people believe.
Of
course, Koch as mayor made things worse too with his policies, but I guess
people forget his record.
I haven't!
Pardon my cynicism but lower prices for things in the
USA isn't going to make the US better off unless the US starts produces
things the rest of the world wants to buy.
Like what besides airplanes wrt manufactured goods?
The US can produce high tech items like LCD screens, LED screens, and even
semiconductors.
But we're not, are we? Not the monitors/screens in any case.
Most of the savings experienced in production in Asia is
because of investment in better techniques and equipment rather than labor
savings. Lot tech things like hammers might not be a good choice, but high
tech is. Similarly, there is no reason the US can't manufacture cars and
other items other folks will buy, rather than large pickup trucks and SUVs.
I'm really hoping that the American car industry can recover as new
tech(green) cars come along.
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| User: "Art Clemons" |
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14 Jan 2008 09:36:39 PM |
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theloneranger100 wrote:
You're saying people only want to come to America to buy things,
Did you ever learn to read for context? No, that's not what I said, implied
nor is it what any reasonable individual would conclude I said either.
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| User: "Art Clemons" |
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15 Jan 2008 06:55:48 AM |
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.....Who cares what "Context" you Spin On
Things?..........DumbAss...........
I wasn't spinning in context, I replied in context, you're too limited in
intelligence apparently to comprehend. So much for your half brain cell.
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