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User: "GoreRants4Kerry"
Date: 01 Jun 2004 12:05:34 PM
Object: Re: Why are Liberals so angry and aggressive? (followup)
Thanks for the URL! Good site.
"King Samuel" <stars@bars.usa> wrote in message
news:VbCdnfPK0pXbLCHdRVn2gw@giganews.com...

Martin W. Smith wrote:

"KC 2.0 --faster than before" <garyli@vulcan.reincarnate.com> wrote:


True... but speaking of ineptitude, Kerry is his own worst enemy. He

says

one thing, then later he says the exact opposite.



No he doesn't,


Oh yes he does!

http://www.kerryquotes.com/

"Thank you for contacting me to express your opposition ... to the early
use of military force by the US against Iraq. I share your concerns. On
January 11, I voted in favor of a resolution that would have insisted
that economic sanctions be given more time to work and against a
resolution giving the president the immediate authority to go to war."
letter from Senator John Kerry to Wallace Carter of Newton Centre,
Massachusetts, dated January 22 [1991]

And at the same time, he wrote this:

"Thank you very much for contacting me to express your support for the
actions of President Bush in response to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.
From the outset of the invasion, I have strongly and unequivocally
supported President Bush's response to the crisis and the policy goals
he has established with our military deployment in the Persian Gulf."
Senator Kerry to Wallace Carter, January 31 [1991]

Nov 12, 1997: In response to a question about unanimity over a U.N.
resolution, kerry responded: where's the backbone of Russia, where's
the backbone of France, where are they in expressing their condemnation
of such clearly illegal activity, but in a sense, they're now climbing
into a box and they will have enormous difficulty not following up on
this if there is not compliance by Iraq....It was disappointing a month
ago not to have the French and the Russians understanding that they
shouldn't give any signals of weakening on the sanctions and I think
those signals would have helped bring about this crisis because they
permitted Saddam Hussein to interpret that maybe the moment was right
for him to make this challenge. crossfire

Feb 23, 1998: "Saddam Hussein has already used these weapons and has
made it clear that he has the intent to continue to try, by virtue of
his duplicity and secrecy, to continue to do so. That is a threat to the
stability of the Middle East. It is a threat with respect to the
potential of terrorist activities on a global basis. It is a threat even
to regions near but not exactly in the Middle East." The Disgrace of
John Kerry by Kevin Willmann Saturday, April 05, 2003

Oct 9, 1998: "We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and
consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary
actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect
Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's
refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to
President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry,
and others.

Oct 10, 1998: "We know from our largely unsuccessful attempts to enlist
the cooperation of other nations, especially industrialized trading
nations, in efforts to impose and enforce somewhat more ambitious
standards on nations such as Iran, China, Burma and Syria, that the
willingness of most other nations — including a number who are joined in
the sanctions to isolate Iraq — is neither wide nor deep to join in
imposing sanctions on a sovereign nation to spur it to `clean up its
act' and comport its actions with accepted international norms." Senate
Floor Speech Try to figure out what he just said there!

Sep 6, 2002: "If Saddam Hussein is unwilling to bend to the
international community's already existing order, then he will have
invited enforcement, even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of
the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails
to act." Op-Ed, "We Still Have A Choice On Iraq," The New York Times

Oct 9, 2002: "I will be voting to give the President of the United
States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam
Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass
destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Senate Speech

Oct 9, 2002: "The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass
destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us
since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know
after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he
has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years
to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval,
to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of
proliferation."

Oct 9, 2002: The Iraqi regime's record over the decade leaves little
doubt that Saddam Hussein wants to retain his arsenal of weapons of mass
destruction and to expand it to include nuclear weapons. We cannot allow
him to prevail in that quest. johnkerry.com speeches (Thanks Scot!)

Jan 23, 2003: "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He
is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He
presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently
prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's
response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of
mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of
mass destruction is real..."

Sep 14, 2003: “I don’t think anyone in the Congress is going to not
give our troops ammunition, not give our troops the ability to be able
to defend themselves. We’re not going to cut and run and not do the
job.” (CBS’ “Face The Nation,”) (watch)

Sep 14, 2003: “I don’t think any United States senator is going to
abandon our troops and recklessly leave Iraq to – to whatever follows as
a result of simply cutting and running. That’s irresponsible. What is
responsible is for the administration to do this properly now.” (CBS’
“Face The Nation,”) (watch)

Dec 2, 2003: Did I expect George Bush to ***** it up as badly as he did?
I don't think anybody did. Now that's what I call presidential!
www.johnkerry.com

Dec 15, 2003: "Iraq may not be the war on terror itself, but it is
critical to the outcome of the war on terror, and therefore any advance
in Iraq is an advance forward in that..."

Jan 30, 2004: "I think there has been an exaggeration," Mr. Kerry said
when asked whether President Bush has overstated the threat of
terrorism. "They are misleading all Americans in a profound way."
washtims (Thanks Michael!)

Mar 16, 2004: "I actually did vote for his $87 billion, before I voted
against it." Newsmax (Listen) (Listen)

Mar 17, 2004: "For a President, the decision may be lonely, but that
does not mean that America should go it alone." (Remarks At George
Washington University, Washington, DC)

Apr 7, 2004: When speaking of terrorist Shiite imam Muqtada al-Sadr's
newspaper, which was shut down by coalition forces last week after it
urged violence against U.S. troops, Kerry complained to National Public
Radio, "They shut a newspaper that belongs to a legitimate voice in
Iraq." Then, finding another way to parallel what Ted Kennedy was saying
this week: "If all we do is make war against the Iraqi people and
continue an American occupation, fundamentally, without a clarity as to
who and how sovereignty is being turned over, we have a very serious
problem for the long run here" newsmax Well, it's clear that the Iman
enjoys the support of JFK and Ted Kennedy:

.

User: "Mr. N"

Title: Re: Why are Liberals so angry and aggressive? (followup) 01 Jun 2004 12:10:06 PM
"GoreRants4Kerry" <GoreLiesDoomingKerry@dnc.net> wrote in message
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The lies and deception of the radical right-wing continue.
6 ID's - all the same person, all posting within the same day, some within
minutes of each other, some responding to the others.
GoreRants4Kerry
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"Kerry the Boob"
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Right-wingers are a plague on this nation.
--
-Mr. N
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"I believe that the president's leadership in the actions taken in Iraq
demonstrate an incompetence in terms of knowledge,
judgment and experience in making the decisions that would have been
necessary to truly accomplish the mission without the
deaths to our troops and the cost to our taxpayers."
"The emperor has no clothes. When are people going to face the reality?
Pull this curtain back."
-Nancy Pelosi, American Patriott
.

User: "George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr."

Title: Re: Why are Liberals so angry and aggressive? (followup) 01 Jun 2004 01:14:37 PM
On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 17:05:34 GMT, "GoreRants4Kerry"
<GoreLiesDoomingKerry@dnc.net> wrote:

Thanks for the URL! Good site.



"King Samuel" <stars@bars.usa> wrote in message
news:VbCdnfPK0pXbLCHdRVn2gw@giganews.com...

Martin W. Smith wrote:

"KC 2.0 --faster than before" <garyli@vulcan.reincarnate.com> wrote:


True... but speaking of ineptitude, Kerry is his own worst enemy. He

says

one thing, then later he says the exact opposite.



No he doesn't,


Oh yes he does!

http://www.kerryquotes.com/

"Thank you for contacting me to express your opposition ... to the early
use of military force by the US against Iraq. I share your concerns. On
January 11, I voted in favor of a resolution that would have insisted
that economic sanctions be given more time to work and against a
resolution giving the president the immediate authority to go to war."
letter from Senator John Kerry to Wallace Carter of Newton Centre,
Massachusetts, dated January 22 [1991]

And at the same time, he wrote this:

"Thank you very much for contacting me to express your support for the
actions of President Bush in response to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.
From the outset of the invasion, I have strongly and unequivocally
supported President Bush's response to the crisis and the policy goals
he has established with our military deployment in the Persian Gulf."
Senator Kerry to Wallace Carter, January 31 [1991]

I agree with both letters also. Kerry did support sanctions, and he
did support Bush's masterful early reaciton to the invasion of
Kuwait.
Why exactly does that strike you as noteworthy?
I am sure that all those who supported sanctions in 1991 also
supported Bush's response and policy goals. The first Bush did a great
job rallying international support, making clear Iraq would not be
permitted to stay in Kuwait, etc. Did anyone disagree with that? Not
that I know of.
You had to go back to 1991 to find two letters which are perfectly
consistent.
WHat about this one -
Bush was told repeatedly that the Uranium in Africa story was
*****, yet he used it AGAIn in the SOTU address.
How do you explain him lying to us?
To trick us into a war?


Nov 12, 1997: In response to a question about unanimity over a U.N.
resolution, kerry responded: where's the backbone of Russia, where's
the backbone of France, where are they in expressing their condemnation
of such clearly illegal activity, but in a sense, they're now climbing
into a box and they will have enormous difficulty not following up on
this if there is not compliance by Iraq....It was disappointing a month
ago not to have the French and the Russians understanding that they
shouldn't give any signals of weakening on the sanctions and I think
those signals would have helped bring about this crisis because they
permitted Saddam Hussein to interpret that maybe the moment was right
for him to make this challenge. crossfire

so what? Kerry is a hawk on Iraq. So?


Feb 23, 1998: "Saddam Hussein has already used these weapons and has
made it clear that he has the intent to continue to try, by virtue of
his duplicity and secrecy, to continue to do so. That is a threat to the
stability of the Middle East. It is a threat with respect to the
potential of terrorist activities on a global basis. It is a threat even
to regions near but not exactly in the Middle East." The Disgrace of
John Kerry by Kevin Willmann Saturday, April 05, 2003

So what? Kerry is a hawk on Iraq. So?


Oct 9, 1998: "We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and
consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary
actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect
Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's
refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to
President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry,
and others.

So what? He supported the inexpensive, cost-effective bombs later
dropped on sites which could have been used to resume weapons
production in Iraq. So what?


Oct 10, 1998: "We know from our largely unsuccessful attempts to enlist
the cooperation of other nations, especially industrialized trading
nations, in efforts to impose and enforce somewhat more ambitious
standards on nations such as Iran, China, Burma and Syria, that the
willingness of most other nations — including a number who are joined in
the sanctions to isolate Iraq — is neither wide nor deep to join in
imposing sanctions on a sovereign nation to spur it to `clean up its
act' and comport its actions with accepted international norms." Senate
Floor Speech Try to figure out what he just said there!

Easy. But then I get good scores on those tests of reading
comprehension. I guess they give the tests because some of us are
better at this than others.
Why is this being posted? To prove Dems have higher IQs than Repubs
and can actually understand what they read?


Sep 6, 2002: "If Saddam Hussein is unwilling to bend to the
international community's already existing order, then he will have
invited enforcement, even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of
the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails
to act." Op-Ed, "We Still Have A Choice On Iraq," The New York Times

So what? Kerry never said Bush didn't have the RIGHT to be stupid.
He just said it was STUPID of Bush to be STUPID.


Oct 9, 2002: "I will be voting to give the President of the United
States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam
Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass
destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Senate Speech

Yes. And he said a lot more too. About how the President should
procede. How the President had promised he would act in a smart
manner, and how we should do this war intelligently.
Alas Bush did not do what he said he woud do, and did conduct the war
in an unintelligent manner.
WHy are you posting these things?
What's your point?


Oct 9, 2002: "The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass
destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us
since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know
after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he
has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years
to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval,
to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of
proliferation."

that's nice.
Kerry hasn't disagreed with Bush on Iraq being a big risk, hasn't
disagreed that we should insist of making sure Iraq was disarmed.
He has said Bush proceeded in a very dumb way.
I'm getting bored with your pointless comments.
Now let me ask you a question.
WHy did Bush lie to us about Iraq going nuclear?
Why do you accept what he did, looking us right in the eye and lying
to us?
.
User: "Bob"

Title: Re: Why are Liberals so angry and aggressive? (followup) 01 Jun 2004 02:08:11 PM
"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiter@commiemartyrs.edu> wrote in message
news:0ugpb0tfgvcmjelagq8og74epoo1vp1dbh@4ax.com...

http://www.kerryquotes.com/

"Thank you for contacting me to express your opposition ... to the early
use of military force by the US against Iraq. I share your concerns. On
January 11, I voted in favor of a resolution that would have insisted
that economic sanctions be given more time to work and against a
resolution giving the president the immediate authority to go to war."
letter from Senator John Kerry to Wallace Carter of Newton Centre,
Massachusetts, dated January 22 [1991]

And at the same time, he wrote this:

"Thank you very much for contacting me to express your support for the
actions of President Bush in response to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.
From the outset of the invasion, I have strongly and unequivocally
supported President Bush's response to the crisis and the policy goals
he has established with our military deployment in the Persian Gulf."
Senator Kerry to Wallace Carter, January 31 [1991]


I agree with both letters also. Kerry did support sanctions, and he
did support Bush's masterful early reaciton to the invasion of
Kuwait.

Kerry voted against the use of force to
remove Saddam from Kuwait.
.
User: "George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr."

Title: Re: Why are Liberals so angry and aggressive? (followup) 01 Jun 2004 02:49:49 PM
On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:08:11 -0500, "Bob" <no@email.address> wrote:

"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiter@commiemartyrs.edu> wrote in message
news:0ugpb0tfgvcmjelagq8og74epoo1vp1dbh@4ax.com...

http://www.kerryquotes.com/

"Thank you for contacting me to express your opposition ... to the early
use of military force by the US against Iraq. I share your concerns. On
January 11, I voted in favor of a resolution that would have insisted
that economic sanctions be given more time to work and against a
resolution giving the president the immediate authority to go to war."
letter from Senator John Kerry to Wallace Carter of Newton Centre,
Massachusetts, dated January 22 [1991]

And at the same time, he wrote this:

"Thank you very much for contacting me to express your support for the
actions of President Bush in response to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.
From the outset of the invasion, I have strongly and unequivocally
supported President Bush's response to the crisis and the policy goals
he has established with our military deployment in the Persian Gulf."
Senator Kerry to Wallace Carter, January 31 [1991]


I agree with both letters also. Kerry did support sanctions, and he
did support Bush's masterful early reaciton to the invasion of
Kuwait.


Kerry voted against the use of force to
remove Saddam from Kuwait.

More precisely, he voted to try sanctions first.
I supported that approach also.
So did Sam Nunn.
So did a lot of people.
So what?
I also feel President Bush, the smart one, did a fine job in that war.
So?


.
User: "Bob"

Title: Re: Why are Liberals so angry and aggressive? (followup) 01 Jun 2004 04:07:10 PM
"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiter@commiemartyrs.edu> wrote in message
news:manpb05qv8qecb2aro42bcah6hnmb9o4jk@4ax.com...

On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:08:11 -0500, "Bob" <no@email.address> wrote:

"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiter@commiemartyrs.edu> wrote in message
news:0ugpb0tfgvcmjelagq8og74epoo1vp1dbh@4ax.com...

http://www.kerryquotes.com/

"Thank you for contacting me to express your opposition ... to the early
use of military force by the US against Iraq. I share your concerns. On
January 11, I voted in favor of a resolution that would have insisted
that economic sanctions be given more time to work and against a
resolution giving the president the immediate authority to go to war."
letter from Senator John Kerry to Wallace Carter of Newton Centre,
Massachusetts, dated January 22 [1991]

And at the same time, he wrote this:

"Thank you very much for contacting me to express your support for the
actions of President Bush in response to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.
From the outset of the invasion, I have strongly and unequivocally
supported President Bush's response to the crisis and the policy goals
he has established with our military deployment in the Persian Gulf."
Senator Kerry to Wallace Carter, January 31 [1991]


I agree with both letters also. Kerry did support sanctions, and he
did support Bush's masterful early reaciton to the invasion of
Kuwait.


Kerry voted against the use of force to
remove Saddam from Kuwait.


More precisely, he voted to try sanctions first.

I supported that approach also.

When the chips were down, he voted
against military action to free Kuwait.
Kind of like his voting record on the
money to support our troops in Iraq.
When the time comes for a final
decision, Kerry shows his true colors.
.





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