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03 May 2006 08:45:47 PM |
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Re: Why Impeachment is Essential |
"THE GONG SHOW!" <Gonger@gongshow.net> wrote in message
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Why Impeachment is Essential
Because the Dems feel that tearing the country apart during a time of war is
crucial to regaining power.
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| User: "THE GONG SHOW!" |
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03 May 2006 08:50:15 PM |
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"Stan de SD" <standesd_DIGA_NO_A_SPAM@covad.net> wrote in message
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"THE GONG SHOW!" <Gonger@gongshow.net> wrote in message
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Why Impeachment is Essential
Because the Dems feel that tearing the country apart during a time of war
is
crucial to regaining power.
Yeah, a war created by Pugs, for Pugs' profits.
Nice try.
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03 May 2006 09:06:00 PM |
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It was Bush and the neocons that tore the country apart. They did that
when they lied to the American public. The democrats have almost
nothing to do with any degree of schism other than they may find
themselves somewhat either to the left or center.
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| User: "Bob" |
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03 May 2006 09:16:56 PM |
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"Cormagh" <cookleon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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It was Bush and the neocons that tore the country apart. They did that
when they lied to the American public. The democrats have almost
nothing to do with any degree of schism other than they may find
themselves somewhat either to the left or center.
You may have a point. The left in this country
seem to have commandeered the once great
Democratic party, and appear to be taking us,
one step at a time, into socialism/communism.
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| User: "Morton Davis" |
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03 May 2006 09:28:34 PM |
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"Bob" <no@email.address> wrote in message
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"Cormagh" <cookleon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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It was Bush and the neocons that tore the country apart. They did that
when they lied to the American public. The democrats have almost
nothing to do with any degree of schism other than they may find
themselves somewhat either to the left or center.
You may have a point. The left in this country
seem to have commandeered the once great
Democratic party, and appear to be taking us,
one step at a time, into socialism/communism.
The Democrats are likely to be out of power for at least another decade. The
progression of presidencies has been Democrat, Republican, Republican,
Democrat, Republican, Republican, Republican, Democrat, Democrat,
Republican, Republican.
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| User: "Kent Allard" |
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04 May 2006 10:27:25 AM |
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Morton Davis wrote:
"Bob" <no@email.address> wrote in message
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"Cormagh" <cookleon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1146708360.330454.65410@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
It was Bush and the neocons that tore the country apart. They did that
when they lied to the American public. The democrats have almost
nothing to do with any degree of schism other than they may find
themselves somewhat either to the left or center.
You may have a point. The left in this country
seem to have commandeered the once great
Democratic party, and appear to be taking us,
one step at a time, into socialism/communism.
The Democrats are likely to be out of power for at least another decade. The
progression of presidencies has been Democrat, Republican, Republican,
Democrat, Republican, Republican, Republican, Democrat, Democrat,
Republican, Republican.
What a totally senseless analysis.
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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04 May 2006 01:02:05 AM |
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*You may have a point. The left in this country
*seem to have commandeered the once great
*Democratic party, and appear to be taking us,
*one step at a time, into socialism/communism.
Democratic party, "leftist"? taking you into "communism"? Have you
been drinking again, Bob?
Why don't you stick to the only thing you know well: making a fool of
yourself with your "boycott France" posting...
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| User: "Kent Allard" |
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04 May 2006 10:22:22 AM |
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Bob wrote:
"Cormagh" <cookleon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1146708360.330454.65410@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
It was Bush and the neocons that tore the country apart. They did that
when they lied to the American public. The democrats have almost
nothing to do with any degree of schism other than they may find
themselves somewhat either to the left or center.
You may have a point. The left in this country
seem to have commandeered the once great
Democratic party, and appear to be taking us,
one step at a time, into socialism/communism.
Really? Who have you heard advocating that the government own or
control the means of production and distribution of goods and services?
Who have you heard advocating the abolishment of private property?
Cites please.
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| User: "Bob" |
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04 May 2006 11:37:15 AM |
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"Kent Allard" <Kent@Shambala.com> wrote in message
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Bob wrote:
"Cormagh" <cookleon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1146708360.330454.65410@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
It was Bush and the neocons that tore the country apart. They did that
when they lied to the American public. The democrats have almost
nothing to do with any degree of schism other than they may find
themselves somewhat either to the left or center.
You may have a point. The left in this country
seem to have commandeered the once great
Democratic party, and appear to be taking us,
one step at a time, into socialism/communism.
Really? Who have you heard advocating that the government own or control the
means of production and distribution of goods and services? Who have you heard
advocating the abolishment of private property?
It's being done in small steps, like cooking a frog.
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| User: "Kent Allard" |
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04 May 2006 11:55:58 AM |
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Bob wrote:
"Kent Allard" <Kent@Shambala.com> wrote in message
news:O_o6g.880$E84.212@chiapp18.algx.net...
Bob wrote:
"Cormagh" <cookleon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1146708360.330454.65410@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
It was Bush and the neocons that tore the country apart. They did that
when they lied to the American public. The democrats have almost
nothing to do with any degree of schism other than they may find
themselves somewhat either to the left or center.
You may have a point. The left in this country
seem to have commandeered the once great
Democratic party, and appear to be taking us,
one step at a time, into socialism/communism.
Really? Who have you heard advocating that the government own or control the
means of production and distribution of goods and services? Who have you heard
advocating the abolishment of private property?
It's being done in small steps, like cooking a frog.
Again, who have you heard advocating that the government own or control
the means of production and distribution of goods and services? Who
have you heard advocating the abolishment of private property?
Cite?
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| User: "Bob" |
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04 May 2006 01:35:55 PM |
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"Kent Allard" <Kent@Shambala.com> wrote in message
news:ymq6g.901$E84.495@chiapp18.algx.net...
Bob wrote:
"Kent Allard" <Kent@Shambala.com> wrote in message
news:O_o6g.880$E84.212@chiapp18.algx.net...
Bob wrote:
"Cormagh" <cookleon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1146708360.330454.65410@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
It was Bush and the neocons that tore the country apart. They did that
when they lied to the American public. The democrats have almost
nothing to do with any degree of schism other than they may find
themselves somewhat either to the left or center.
You may have a point. The left in this country
seem to have commandeered the once great
Democratic party, and appear to be taking us,
one step at a time, into socialism/communism.
Really? Who have you heard advocating that the government own or control the
means of production and distribution of goods and services? Who have you
heard advocating the abolishment of private property?
It's being done in small steps, like cooking a frog.
Again, who have you heard advocating that the government own or control the
means of production and distribution of goods and services? Who have you
heard advocating the abolishment of private property?
Hillary Clinton.
Cite?
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| User: "Kent Allard" |
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04 May 2006 03:06:45 PM |
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Bob wrote:
"Kent Allard" <Kent@Shambala.com> wrote in message
news:ymq6g.901$E84.495@chiapp18.algx.net...
Bob wrote:
"Kent Allard" <Kent@Shambala.com> wrote in message
news:O_o6g.880$E84.212@chiapp18.algx.net...
Bob wrote:
"Cormagh" <cookleon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1146708360.330454.65410@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
It was Bush and the neocons that tore the country apart. They did that
when they lied to the American public. The democrats have almost
nothing to do with any degree of schism other than they may find
themselves somewhat either to the left or center.
You may have a point. The left in this country
seem to have commandeered the once great
Democratic party, and appear to be taking us,
one step at a time, into socialism/communism.
Really? Who have you heard advocating that the government own or control the
means of production and distribution of goods and services? Who have you
heard advocating the abolishment of private property?
It's being done in small steps, like cooking a frog.
Again, who have you heard advocating that the government own or control the
means of production and distribution of goods and services? Who have you
heard advocating the abolishment of private property?
Hillary Clinton.
Really? What did she say and when did she say it? Can you provide a
URL? I hope that you aren't talking about single payer health insurance.
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| User: "Bob" |
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04 May 2006 03:29:48 PM |
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"Kent Allard" <Kent@Shambala.com> wrote in message
news:p9t6g.917$E84.304@chiapp18.algx.net...
Bob wrote:
"Kent Allard" <Kent@Shambala.com> wrote in message
news:ymq6g.901$E84.495@chiapp18.algx.net...
Bob wrote:
"Kent Allard" <Kent@Shambala.com> wrote in message
news:O_o6g.880$E84.212@chiapp18.algx.net...
Bob wrote:
"Cormagh" <cookleon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1146708360.330454.65410@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
It was Bush and the neocons that tore the country apart. They did that
when they lied to the American public. The democrats have almost
nothing to do with any degree of schism other than they may find
themselves somewhat either to the left or center.
You may have a point. The left in this country
seem to have commandeered the once great
Democratic party, and appear to be taking us,
one step at a time, into socialism/communism.
Really? Who have you heard advocating that the government own or control
the means of production and distribution of goods and services? Who have
you heard advocating the abolishment of private property?
It's being done in small steps, like cooking a frog.
Again, who have you heard advocating that the government own or control the
means of production and distribution of goods and services? Who have you
heard advocating the abolishment of private property?
Hillary Clinton.
Really? What did she say and when did she say it? Can you provide a URL? I
hope that you aren't talking about single payer health insurance.
June, 2004, in San Francisco:
"Many of you are well enough off that ... the tax cuts may have helped you,"
Clinton said, according to the Associated Press. "We're saying that for America
to get back on track, we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to
you.
"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
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| User: "mr_antone mr_antone@" |
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04 May 2006 01:48:15 PM |
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On Thu, 4 May 2006 13:35:55 -0500, "Bob" <no@email.address> wrote:
"Kent Allard" <Kent@Shambala.com> wrote in message
news:ymq6g.901$E84.495@chiapp18.algx.net...
Bob wrote:
"Kent Allard" <Kent@Shambala.com> wrote in message
news:O_o6g.880$E84.212@chiapp18.algx.net...
Bob wrote:
"Cormagh" <cookleon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1146708360.330454.65410@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
It was Bush and the neocons that tore the country apart. They did that
when they lied to the American public. The democrats have almost
nothing to do with any degree of schism other than they may find
themselves somewhat either to the left or center.
You may have a point. The left in this country
seem to have commandeered the once great
Democratic party, and appear to be taking us,
one step at a time, into socialism/communism.
Really? Who have you heard advocating that the government own or control the
means of production and distribution of goods and services? Who have you
heard advocating the abolishment of private property?
It's being done in small steps, like cooking a frog.
Again, who have you heard advocating that the government own or control the
means of production and distribution of goods and services? Who have you
heard advocating the abolishment of private property?
Hillary Clinton.
How about a credible cite, numbnuts?
mr_antone
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| User: "Bob" |
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04 May 2006 01:50:50 PM |
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"mr_antone" <mr_antone@> wrote in message
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On Thu, 4 May 2006 13:35:55 -0500, "Bob" <no@email.address> wrote:
"Kent Allard" <Kent@Shambala.com> wrote in message
news:ymq6g.901$E84.495@chiapp18.algx.net...
Bob wrote:
"Kent Allard" <Kent@Shambala.com> wrote in message
news:O_o6g.880$E84.212@chiapp18.algx.net...
Bob wrote:
"Cormagh" <cookleon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1146708360.330454.65410@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
It was Bush and the neocons that tore the country apart. They did that
when they lied to the American public. The democrats have almost
nothing to do with any degree of schism other than they may find
themselves somewhat either to the left or center.
You may have a point. The left in this country
seem to have commandeered the once great
Democratic party, and appear to be taking us,
one step at a time, into socialism/communism.
Really? Who have you heard advocating that the government own or control
the
means of production and distribution of goods and services? Who have you
heard advocating the abolishment of private property?
It's being done in small steps, like cooking a frog.
Again, who have you heard advocating that the government own or control the
means of production and distribution of goods and services? Who have you
heard advocating the abolishment of private property?
Hillary Clinton.
How about a credible cite, numbnuts?
Ask nicely.
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| User: "mr_antone mr_antone@" |
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04 May 2006 01:55:56 PM |
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On Thu, 4 May 2006 13:50:50 -0500, "Bob" <no@email.address> wrote:
"mr_antone" <mr_antone@> wrote in message
news:42jk5254v56m80i7lk4rljn6hlbt1im4g0@4ax.com...
On Thu, 4 May 2006 13:35:55 -0500, "Bob" <no@email.address> wrote:
"Kent Allard" <Kent@Shambala.com> wrote in message
news:ymq6g.901$E84.495@chiapp18.algx.net...
Bob wrote:
"Kent Allard" <Kent@Shambala.com> wrote in message
news:O_o6g.880$E84.212@chiapp18.algx.net...
Bob wrote:
"Cormagh" <cookleon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1146708360.330454.65410@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
It was Bush and the neocons that tore the country apart. They did that
when they lied to the American public. The democrats have almost
nothing to do with any degree of schism other than they may find
themselves somewhat either to the left or center.
You may have a point. The left in this country
seem to have commandeered the once great
Democratic party, and appear to be taking us,
one step at a time, into socialism/communism.
Really? Who have you heard advocating that the government own or control
the
means of production and distribution of goods and services? Who have you
heard advocating the abolishment of private property?
It's being done in small steps, like cooking a frog.
Again, who have you heard advocating that the government own or control the
means of production and distribution of goods and services? Who have you
heard advocating the abolishment of private property?
Hillary Clinton.
How about a credible cite, numbnuts?
Ask nicely.
Evasion noted.
mr_antone
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| User: "Marinus van der Lubbe" |
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04 May 2006 12:47:09 PM |
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Kent Allard wrote:
Bob wrote:
"Kent Allard" <Kent@Shambala.com> wrote in message
news:O_o6g.880$E84.212@chiapp18.algx.net...
Bob wrote:
"Cormagh" <cookleon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1146708360.330454.65410@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
It was Bush and the neocons that tore the country apart. They did that
when they lied to the American public. The democrats have almost
nothing to do with any degree of schism other than they may find
themselves somewhat either to the left or center.
You may have a point. The left in this country
seem to have commandeered the once great
Democratic party, and appear to be taking us,
one step at a time, into socialism/communism.
Really? Who have you heard advocating that the government own or
control the means of production and distribution of goods and
services? Who have you heard advocating the abolishment of private
property?
It's being done in small steps, like cooking a frog.
Again, who have you heard advocating that the government own or control
the means of production and distribution of goods and services? Who
have you heard advocating the abolishment of private property?
Cite?
Exactly, and it's not just Bimbo Bob that can never cite an example of
the Repug lies the regurgitate on-line, it's all these Neo-Neanderthals.
Take a clue Repugs, your leaders are not factanistas. Reality is not
their friend.
Anyway, how much worse is full-blown communism compared to taxing the
middleclass out of existence and then converting those public funds into
private profits? E.g., the Iraq war looks more like a scheme to make
Halliburton/Bechtel/CACI/Blackwater rich on the taxpayers' dime than it
does as a oil nation takeover.
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| User: "Roedy Green" |
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04 May 2006 04:01:03 PM |
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On Thu, 4 May 2006 11:37:15 -0500, "Bob" <no@email.address> wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
It's being done in small steps, like cooking a frog.
What small steps? Cleaning up the environment?
enforcing antitrust law?
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching.
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04 May 2006 09:00:42 PM |
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fyi, there already is a large socialist movement in the USA subsidized
with taxpayer money, where millions live with their housing and medical
care all paid for by willing taxpayers, its called the 'military'.
Funnily enough, most of those living in this socialist system
self-identify as 'conservative Republicans'.
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"There are only 2 kinds of Republicans, millionaires and fools."
-anon.
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| User: "Roedy Green" |
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04 May 2006 09:11:07 PM |
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On 4 May 2006 19:00:42 -0700, "perfb@yahoo.com" <perfb@yahoo.com>
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
fyi, there already is a large socialist movement in the USA subsidized
with taxpayer money, where millions live with their housing and medical
care all paid for by willing taxpayers, its called the 'military'.
Funnily enough, most of those living in this socialist system
There is also a socialist system for large corporations. When
Chrysler went broke the government bailed them out. When the savings
and loans allowed scoundrels like Neil Bush to fleece them, the
government bailed them out.
It is a reward for incompetence system. The whole idea of
corporations is they are supposed to compete and the incompetent ones
go out of business and stronger ones take their place.
Instead the government destroys the free market by REDUCING
competition. That is a move toward pure monopoly state control.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching.
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| User: "Roedy Green" |
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04 May 2006 04:00:08 PM |
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On Wed, 3 May 2006 21:16:56 -0500, "Bob" <no@email.address> wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
Democratic party, and appear to be taking us,
one step at a time, into socialism/communism
Utter *****. The only way to tell a Democrat from a Republican is
by their mutual hatred. They both get their donations from the same
corporations, just laundered a little differently.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching.
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| User: "Roedy Green" |
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04 May 2006 03:58:49 PM |
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On Wed, 3 May 2006 18:45:47 -0700, "Stan de SD"
<standesd_DIGA_NO_A_SPAM@covad.net> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :
Because the Dems feel that tearing the country apart during a time of war is
crucial to regaining power.
Bush has killed over 100,000 innocent people with his lies. The key
reason to impeach him is the way he tricked America into going to war.
That is a capital offense. The fact America is pointlessly at war is
the main reason FOR impeachment..
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching.
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04 May 2006 08:10:56 PM |
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"Roedy Green" <my_email_is_posted_on_my_website@munged.invalid> wrote in
message news:4lqk52t9nv66ih96thg9loftpm9cj5fpjg@4ax.com...
On Wed, 3 May 2006 18:45:47 -0700, "Stan de SD"
<standesd_DIGA_NO_A_SPAM@covad.net> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :
Because the Dems feel that tearing the country apart during a time of war
is
crucial to regaining power.
Bush has killed over 100,000 innocent people with his lies. The key
reason to impeach him is the way he tricked America into going to war.
That is a capital offense. The fact America is pointlessly at war is
the main reason FOR impeachment..
Just for giggles, assuming you had any idea what the hell you were talking
about (and clearly you don't), what "high crime and misdemeanor" supports
your crackpot claim? And if it were so obvious, why hasn't there been a
clamor by the Democrats to initiate impeachment hearing by the House
Judiciary Committee? Surely Pelosi or dean would have at least mentioned it
in pasing! But not a word so far. Indeed, why hasn't *any* rational person
with any standing jumped on to your bandwagon?
Understand that I have always said that I considered the Iraq operation to
be a huge cluster *****.
No, you won't understand that at all. You don't seem to be able to
comprehend much of anything.
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| User: "Roedy Green" |
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04 May 2006 09:14:50 PM |
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On Thu, 4 May 2006 18:10:56 -0700, "The Pervert"
<pervert12@spambad.yahoo.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :
Just for giggles, assuming you had any idea what the hell you were talking
about (and clearly you don't), what "high crime and misdemeanor" supports
your crackpot claim? And if it were so obvious, why hasn't there been a
clamor by the Democrats to initiate impeachment hearing by the House
Judiciary Committee? Surely Pelosi or dean would have at least mentioned it
in pasing! But not a word so far. Indeed, why hasn't *any* rational person
with any standing jumped on to your bandwagon?
The reason is almost the entire house and senate are corrupt, just
like Bush. They are all take their money from the same sources.
Note that only one congress critter made the tiniest stink about
trillions embezzled from the Pentagon. The others shut up.
Note all but one voted for the Patriot Act.
Almost all of them voted for the Iraq war and for continued funding
even though they all knew it was bogus.
It is depressing to see what a bunch of crooks are running the
country. The result will be the destruction of your country if you
don't find some way to turf the bastards out.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching.
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| User: "The Pervert" |
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| Title: Re: Why Impeachment is Essential |
05 May 2006 01:10:08 PM |
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"Roedy Green" <my_email_is_posted_on_my_website@munged.invalid> wrote in
message news:e3dl525qnqk2pvd15luh87sf3p2m586kre@4ax.com...
On Thu, 4 May 2006 18:10:56 -0700, "The Pervert"
<pervert12@spambad.yahoo.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :
Just for giggles, assuming you had any idea what the hell you were
talking
about (and clearly you don't), what "high crime and misdemeanor" supports
your crackpot claim? And if it were so obvious, why hasn't there been a
clamor by the Democrats to initiate impeachment hearing by the House
Judiciary Committee? Surely Pelosi or dean would have at least mentioned
it
in pasing! But not a word so far. Indeed, why hasn't *any* rational
person
with any standing jumped on to your bandwagon?
The reason is almost the entire house and senate are corrupt, just
like Bush. They are all take their money from the same sources.
Note that only one congress critter made the tiniest stink about
trillions embezzled from the Pentagon. The others shut up.
Note all but one voted for the Patriot Act.
Almost all of them voted for the Iraq war and for continued funding
even though they all knew it was bogus.
It is depressing to see what a bunch of crooks are running the
country. The result will be the destruction of your country if you
don't find some way to turf the bastards out.
Amazing that you, and you alone, have all the answers to the country's
problems. Yet you're a crackpot.
Maybe that's just a coincidence.
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| User: "Kent Allard" |
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| Title: Re: Why Impeachment is Essential |
04 May 2006 10:18:45 AM |
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Stan de SD wrote:
"THE GONG SHOW!" <Gonger@gongshow.net> wrote in message
news:M_86g.64878$_S7.26611@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
Why Impeachment is Essential
Because the Dems feel that tearing the country apart during a time of war is
crucial to regaining power.
rofl!
"You are either with us or against us." -- Bush, 11/06/2001
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