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"Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" |
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07 Jul 2006 01:00:34 PM |
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Re: With higher speed limits, our highways have been getting safer. |
Kenneth P. Stox wrote:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008621
The author is crazy since the issue was settled back in 1974 when speed
limits nationwide were lowered overnight and the fatality rate
instantly dropped from 4.19 per 100 million miles to 3.59.
http://www.publicpurpose.com/hwy-fatal57+.htm
In contrast, the rise in speed limits the last 10 years has been a
gradual process and done on a state by state basis and that makes it
impossible to deduce anything.
BTW - The article is from the Wall Street Journal a notoriously right
wing pro-business paper. They were obviously bought off by the auto
industry to spread these deadly lies.
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| User: "Alan Baker" |
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| Title: Re: With higher speed limits, our highways have been getting safer. |
09 Jul 2006 03:18:50 AM |
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In article <1152295234.143536.209820@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
"Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
Kenneth P. Stox wrote:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008621
The author is crazy since the issue was settled back in 1974 when speed
limits nationwide were lowered overnight and the fatality rate
instantly dropped from 4.19 per 100 million miles to 3.59.
http://www.publicpurpose.com/hwy-fatal57+.htm
In contrast, the rise in speed limits the last 10 years has been a
gradual process and done on a state by state basis and that makes it
impossible to deduce anything.
We don't need to *deduce* anything.
Speeds are up, fatalities are down.
BTW - The article is from the Wall Street Journal a notoriously right
wing pro-business paper. They were obviously bought off by the auto
industry to spread these deadly lies.
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| User: "Nate Nagel" |
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| Title: Re: With higher speed limits, our highways have been getting safer. |
07 Jul 2006 01:19:39 PM |
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
Kenneth P. Stox wrote:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008621
The author is crazy since the issue was settled back in 1974 when speed
limits nationwide were lowered overnight and the fatality rate
instantly dropped from 4.19 per 100 million miles to 3.59.
http://www.publicpurpose.com/hwy-fatal57+.htm
and was dropping steadily before, and continued to drop steadily
thereafter. In fact, the only rising trend in anything resembling recent
years is the period from 1977 to 1980, which was subject to the 55 MPH
NMSL. The only other rise at all subsequent to that, ACCORDING TO YOUR
OWN CITE, is a very small one year increase in 1986. Explain that, if
you can.
In contrast, the rise in speed limits the last 10 years has been a
gradual process and done on a state by state basis and that makes it
impossible to deduce anything.
unless, of course, you examine the data on a state by state basis. HAve
you bothered to do that?
BTW - The article is from the Wall Street Journal a notoriously right
wing pro-business paper. They were obviously bought off by the auto
industry to spread these deadly lies.
Hmmm... let me think... who's a more credible source, the WSJ or a
notorious Usenet troll? Let me think about that one...
nate
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replace "fly" with "com" to reply.
http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel
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| User: "Eeyore" |
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| Title: Re: With higher speed limits, our highways have been getting safer. |
07 Jul 2006 01:43:17 PM |
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
The author is crazy since the issue was settled back in 1974
It hasn't ocurred to you that circumstances may have been a tiny little bit
different 32 yrs ago ?
Graham
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| User: "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" |
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| Title: Re: With higher speed limits, our highways have been getting safer. |
07 Jul 2006 02:23:36 PM |
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Eeyore wrote:
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
The author is crazy since the issue was settled back in 1974
It hasn't ocurred to you that circumstances may have been a tiny little bit
different 32 yrs ago ?
Graham
In what way??
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| User: "Charles the baby crusher Paisley" |
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| Title: Re: With higher speed limits, our highways have been getting safer. |
07 Jul 2006 02:31:01 PM |
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
The author is crazy since the issue was settled back in 1974
It hasn't ocurred to you that circumstances may have been a tiny little bit
different 32 yrs ago ?
Graham
In what way??
I love studies/statements like that..
How many states had seatbelt laws 30 years ago? How many now?
How about Cars with air bags now and then..
What about the number of accidents involving alcohol?
You may as well claim that global warming has caused the decrease in
traffic deaths..
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| User: "Nate Nagel" |
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| Title: Re: With higher speed limits, our highways have been getting safer. |
07 Jul 2006 02:40:17 PM |
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Charles the baby crusher Paisley wrote:
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
The author is crazy since the issue was settled back in 1974
It hasn't ocurred to you that circumstances may have been a tiny little bit
different 32 yrs ago ?
Graham
In what way??
I love studies/statements like that..
How many states had seatbelt laws 30 years ago? How many now?
How about Cars with air bags now and then..
What about the number of accidents involving alcohol?
You may as well claim that global warming has caused the decrease in
traffic deaths..
you forgot about the prevalence of side marker lights, disc brakes,
3-point seat belts, and radial tires, all of which were fairly new back
in 1974. I'm (barely) old enough to have been alive back then; the
family car had 4-wheel drums, bias plys, and lap belts. Don't remember
if it had sidemarkers or not, but I don't think they were required until
'68, so it wouldn't have.
nate
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replace "fly" with "com" to reply.
http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel
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| User: "Brent P" |
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| Title: Re: With higher speed limits, our highways have been getting safer. |
07 Jul 2006 05:09:31 PM |
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In article <e8mdat01f51@news3.newsguy.com>, Nate Nagel wrote:
you forgot about the prevalence of side marker lights, disc brakes,
3-point seat belts, and radial tires, all of which were fairly new back
in 1974. I'm (barely) old enough to have been alive back then; the
family car had 4-wheel drums, bias plys, and lap belts. Don't remember
if it had sidemarkers or not, but I don't think they were required until
'68, so it wouldn't have.
Side maker lights were required in MY 1970 I believe. In any case, my
'73 has marker lights front and rear. Before then they were reflectors
for a few years.
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| User: "laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE" |
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| Title: Re: With higher speed limits, our highways have been getting safer. |
07 Jul 2006 09:22:30 PM |
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On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 15:40:17 -0400, Nate Nagel <njnagel@flycast.net>
wrote:
you forgot about the prevalence of side marker lights, disc brakes,
3-point seat belts, and radial tires, all of which were fairly new back
in 1974. I'm (barely) old enough to have been alive back then; the
family car had 4-wheel drums, bias plys, and lap belts. Don't remember
if it had sidemarkers or not, but I don't think they were required until
'68, so it wouldn't have.
nate
But what big change occurred in 1973 to 1974 other than the lower SL?
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| User: "Nate Nagel" |
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| Title: Re: With higher speed limits, our highways have been getting safer. |
08 Jul 2006 06:06:02 AM |
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laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 15:40:17 -0400, Nate Nagel <njnagel@flycast.net>
wrote:
you forgot about the prevalence of side marker lights, disc brakes,
3-point seat belts, and radial tires, all of which were fairly new back
in 1974. I'm (barely) old enough to have been alive back then; the
family car had 4-wheel drums, bias plys, and lap belts. Don't remember
if it had sidemarkers or not, but I don't think they were required until
'68, so it wouldn't have.
nate
But what big change occurred in 1973 to 1974 other than the lower SL?
The way the fatalities were counted, for one thing.
nate
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| User: "laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE" |
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| Title: Re: With higher speed limits, our highways have been getting safer. |
08 Jul 2006 11:25:39 AM |
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On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 07:06:02 -0400, Nate Nagel <njnagel@flycast.net>
wrote:
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 15:40:17 -0400, Nate Nagel <njnagel@flycast.net>
wrote:
you forgot about the prevalence of side marker lights, disc brakes,
3-point seat belts, and radial tires, all of which were fairly new back
in 1974. I'm (barely) old enough to have been alive back then; the
family car had 4-wheel drums, bias plys, and lap belts. Don't remember
if it had sidemarkers or not, but I don't think they were required until
'68, so it wouldn't have.
nate
But what big change occurred in 1973 to 1974 other than the lower SL?
The way the fatalities were counted, for one thing.
nate
Making things up again, i see. You are truly sick for defending high
speed limits with lies when you know it means thousands of extra
highway murders a year.
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| User: "N8N" |
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| Title: Re: With higher speed limits, our highways have been getting safer. |
08 Jul 2006 04:15:29 PM |
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laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 07:06:02 -0400, Nate Nagel <njnagel@flycast.net>
wrote:
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 15:40:17 -0400, Nate Nagel <njnagel@flycast.net>
wrote:
you forgot about the prevalence of side marker lights, disc brakes,
3-point seat belts, and radial tires, all of which were fairly new back
in 1974. I'm (barely) old enough to have been alive back then; the
family car had 4-wheel drums, bias plys, and lap belts. Don't remember
if it had sidemarkers or not, but I don't think they were required until
'68, so it wouldn't have.
nate
But what big change occurred in 1973 to 1974 other than the lower SL?
The way the fatalities were counted, for one thing.
nate
Making things up again, i see. You are truly sick for defending high
speed limits with lies when you know it means thousands of extra
highway murders a year.
I'm not making up a thing, and YOU are the sick one for your continued
support of policies known to at *best* slow traffic and save no lives.
If you really cared about the subject, the change that I'm talking
about has been discussed on this very group several times.
nate
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| User: "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" |
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| Title: Re: With higher speed limits, our highways have been getting safer. |
07 Jul 2006 02:36:32 PM |
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Charles the baby crusher Paisley wrote:
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
In what way??
I love studies/statements like that..
How many states had seatbelt laws 30 years ago? How many now?
How about Cars with air bags now and then..
What about the number of accidents involving alcohol?
You don't understand what we're talking about. The issue is the huge
drop in highway deaths from 1973 to 1974 right after the 55 was
instituted. Conditions TODAY have no bearing on that issue.
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| User: "Alan Baker" |
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| Title: Re: With higher speed limits, our highways have been getting safer. |
09 Jul 2006 03:20:27 AM |
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In article <1152300992.792075.278650@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
Charles the baby crusher Paisley wrote:
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
In what way??
I love studies/statements like that..
How many states had seatbelt laws 30 years ago? How many now?
How about Cars with air bags now and then..
What about the number of accidents involving alcohol?
You don't understand what we're talking about. The issue is the huge
drop in highway deaths from 1973 to 1974 right after the 55 was
instituted. Conditions TODAY have no bearing on that issue.
It is well known that that was caused by the drop in miles travelled and
a change in the way deaths per passenger-mile was calculated.
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| User: "Larry Bud" |
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| Title: Re: With higher speed limits, our highways have been getting safer. |
07 Jul 2006 02:50:27 PM |
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
Charles the baby crusher Paisley wrote:
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
In what way??
I love studies/statements like that..
How many states had seatbelt laws 30 years ago? How many now?
How about Cars with air bags now and then..
What about the number of accidents involving alcohol?
You don't understand what we're talking about. The issue is the huge
drop in highway deaths from 1973 to 1974 right after the 55 was
instituted. Conditions TODAY have no bearing on that issue.
I heard that during that same time, pickle sales dropped... with your
"logic", pickles cause highway deaths!
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| User: "laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE" |
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| Title: Re: With higher speed limits, our highways have been getting safer. |
07 Jul 2006 09:17:36 PM |
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On 7 Jul 2006 12:50:27 -0700, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
Charles the baby crusher Paisley wrote:
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
In what way??
I love studies/statements like that..
How many states had seatbelt laws 30 years ago? How many now?
How about Cars with air bags now and then..
What about the number of accidents involving alcohol?
You don't understand what we're talking about. The issue is the huge
drop in highway deaths from 1973 to 1974 right after the 55 was
instituted. Conditions TODAY have no bearing on that issue.
I heard that during that same time, pickle sales dropped... with your
"logic", pickles cause highway deaths!
HAHAHA. You know i'm right and so all you can do is change the
subject - to pickles of all things.!!!! URANUTBALL
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| User: "Charles the baby crusher Paisley" |
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| Title: Re: With higher speed limits, our highways have been getting safer. |
07 Jul 2006 03:15:50 PM |
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
Charles the baby crusher Paisley wrote:
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
In what way??
I love studies/statements like that..
How many states had seatbelt laws 30 years ago? How many now?
How about Cars with air bags now and then..
What about the number of accidents involving alcohol?
You don't understand what we're talking about. The issue is the huge
drop in highway deaths from 1973 to 1974 right after the 55 was
instituted. Conditions TODAY have no bearing on that issue.
Sorry I thought you were talking about the article from the WSJ that
claimed ..
"As a public policy matter, this steady decline is a vindication of the
repeal of the 55 miles per hour federal speed limit law in 1995. That
1974 federal speed limit was arguably the most disobeyed and despised
law since Prohibition"
Foolish of me to assume that the article linked in the OP was a topic
of discussion.
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| User: "Brent P" |
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| Title: Re: With higher speed limits, our highways have been getting safer. |
07 Jul 2006 05:16:00 PM |
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In article <1152303350.496937.194470@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, Charles the baby crusher Paisley wrote:
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
Charles the baby crusher Paisley wrote:
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
In what way??
I love studies/statements like that..
How many states had seatbelt laws 30 years ago? How many now?
How about Cars with air bags now and then..
What about the number of accidents involving alcohol?
You don't understand what we're talking about. The issue is the huge
drop in highway deaths from 1973 to 1974 right after the 55 was
instituted. Conditions TODAY have no bearing on that issue.
Sorry I thought you were talking about the article from the WSJ that
claimed ..
"As a public policy matter, this steady decline is a vindication of the
repeal of the 55 miles per hour federal speed limit law in 1995. That
1974 federal speed limit was arguably the most disobeyed and despised
law since Prohibition"
Foolish of me to assume that the article linked in the OP was a topic
of discussion.
The drop has continued since the 1995 repeal of the NMSL, which
indicates that the number on the sign has little to do with the fatality
rate and coupled with other research underposted speed limits can only
hurt safety, not improve it.
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| User: "laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE" |
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| Title: Re: With higher speed limits, our highways have been getting safer. |
07 Jul 2006 09:21:16 PM |
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On 7 Jul 2006 13:15:50 -0700, "Charles the baby crusher Paisley"
<ajames54@hotmail.com> wrote:
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
Charles the baby crusher Paisley wrote:
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
In what way??
I love studies/statements like that..
How many states had seatbelt laws 30 years ago? How many now?
How about Cars with air bags now and then..
What about the number of accidents involving alcohol?
You don't understand what we're talking about. The issue is the huge
drop in highway deaths from 1973 to 1974 right after the 55 was
instituted. Conditions TODAY have no bearing on that issue.
Sorry I thought you were talking about the article from the WSJ that
claimed ..
"As a public policy matter, this steady decline is a vindication of the
repeal of the 55 miles per hour federal speed limit law in 1995. That
1974 federal speed limit was arguably the most disobeyed and despised
law since Prohibition"
Foolish of me to assume that the article linked in the OP was a topic
of discussion.
Yes, you are a fool but always remember - Stupid people are just as
good as smart people.
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| User: "Steven L." |
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| Title: Re: With higher speed limits, our highways have been getting safer. |
07 Jul 2006 02:59:12 PM |
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
Charles the baby crusher Paisley wrote:
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
In what way??
I love studies/statements like that..
How many states had seatbelt laws 30 years ago? How many now?
How about Cars with air bags now and then..
What about the number of accidents involving alcohol?
You don't understand what we're talking about. The issue is the huge
drop in highway deaths from 1973 to 1974 right after the 55 was
instituted.
Here's the dirty little secret that you won't admit: The 55 mph speed
limit was worthless by the early 1980's. Because it was universally
flouted.
What good does a law do if no one obeys it and everybody just winks at
it? Until very recently there were Blue Laws in many states. Yet all
the shopping malls were open on Sunday. We've got plenty of laws
against marijuana. But we've still got plenty of marijuana smokers.
Even if you're right that reducing driving speeds to 55 mph might reduce
accidents, passing a law won't accomplish that.
What does accomplish that, would be if automobiles were designed to get
much better gasoline mileage at 55 mph than they do at 75 mph. That
would encourage people to drive more slowly. But with today's
aerodynamically styled cars, the mileage penalty for fast driving is not
as great as it used to be.
--
Steven D. Litvintchouk
Email:
Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.
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| User: "Brent P" |
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| Title: Re: With higher speed limits, our highways have been getting safer. |
07 Jul 2006 05:07:53 PM |
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In article <k2zrg.5154$cd3.2896@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>, Steven L. wrote:
Here's the dirty little secret that you won't admit: The 55 mph speed
limit was worthless by the early 1980's. Because it was universally
flouted.
It was worthless and universally flouted the day the signs were changed.
By the early 80s it simply became impossible to manipulate the
statistics enough to even make it look like there was compliance.
The disgust with the 55mph NMSL is quite clear in practically everything
that had to do with driving from the mid 70s well into the 80s.
What good does a law do if no one obeys it and everybody just winks at
it? Until very recently there were Blue Laws in many states. Yet all
the shopping malls were open on Sunday. We've got plenty of laws
against marijuana. But we've still got plenty of marijuana smokers.
What good? None. What universally ignored laws allow is random and/or
selective enforcement. It's a great way around the Bill of Rights, a way
of making sure probable cause almost always exists. And when it doesn't,
when someone is behaving entirely legally it is so odd that it must
because he's trying to hide something and reasonable suspicion then
allows the police to inquire. Meanwhile the lack of complaince is used
by the government to pass even more laws in an attempt to control the
population. This defines the war on drugs as well as how traffic
enforcement goes (RLCs, etc and so forth)
What does accomplish that, would be if automobiles were designed to get
much better gasoline mileage at 55 mph than they do at 75 mph. That
would encourage people to drive more slowly. But with today's
aerodynamically styled cars, the mileage penalty for fast driving is not
as great as it used to be.
If it exists at all, because the sweet spot for engine loading may be at
a higher speed for a particular car.
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| User: "laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE" |
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07 Jul 2006 09:20:06 PM |
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On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 19:59:12 GMT, "Steven L."
<sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote:
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
Charles the baby crusher Paisley wrote:
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
In what way??
I love studies/statements like that..
How many states had seatbelt laws 30 years ago? How many now?
How about Cars with air bags now and then..
What about the number of accidents involving alcohol?
You don't understand what we're talking about. The issue is the huge
drop in highway deaths from 1973 to 1974 right after the 55 was
instituted.
Here's the dirty little secret that you won't admit: The 55 mph speed
limit was worthless by the early 1980's. Because it was universally
flouted.
Iit was not flouted and if it was the answer is stiffer penalties.
Suppose rape was punished by a $100 fine. Then the number of rapes
would go to 50,000,000 a year and nuts like you would say "hey that
proves we should just go ahead and legalize rape." THINK - if
possible.
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| User: "Aunt Judy likes it in the rear" |
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| Title: Re: With higher speed limits, our highways have been getting safer. |
07 Jul 2006 03:03:44 PM |
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
The author is crazy since the issue was settled back in 1974
It hasn't ocurred to you that circumstances may have been a tiny little bit
different 32 yrs ago ?
Graham
In what way??
ROTFLMAO. Leave it to a retard to ask such a stupid question.
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