Politics > Politics-USA > Re: You liberals who object to the NSA cell phone tracking project are traitors just like James Risen
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14 Jan 2006 09:56:38 AM |
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Re: You liberals who object to the NSA cell phone tracking project are traitors just like James Risen |
"george" <nospam@libby-dem-buttkicker.com> wrote in message
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ABCNews broke the story about how middle eastern and Pakistani
individuals -- with ties to Al Qaeda -- were buying mass quantities of new
disposable cell phones after Risen's articles were published in the
NY(Treason) Times.
You liberal howling monkeys screamed in glee about impeaching Bush over
it, even though the FISA court and caselaw say that the Constitution gives
him the power to do it without a warrant.
You liberal howling monkeys, who applauded the publishing of the article
can now live with the knowledge that one of your own TIPPED OFF every Al
Qaeda operative in the world by telling him to get new phones.
Just remember who started this whole mess. Bush. You can't weasle Bush out
of this one, no matter how much you defend Bush. Bush broke the law and
should not be impeached.
Bush should be arrested and I'm sick and tired of watching others be
punished for Bush's actions.
Bush is NOT above the law and Bush is NOT King of Earth.
Bush is a sick individual who started 2 rediculous Wars nearly 3 years ago
and has NOT accomplished ONE DAMN THING except to destroy America's economy
and good World standing.
Incidently, learn how to post to newsgroups or get out.
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19 Jan 2006 07:57:08 PM |
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""""""> You liberal howling monkeys, who applauded the publishing of the
article
can now live with the knowledge that one of your own TIPPED OFF every Al
Qaeda operative in the world by telling him to get new phones."""""
Not to mention Osami binnie kennedy, durban bin murtha laden was encouraged
to think he could offer a truce and surrender document demant to the USA...
Go dems in your bill of civil rights for terrorists!
Cindy, Michael, Dufeyuduuurbiie, Hickennedy, mrs pelosi Murtha et
allllllllllllllll
"S. D. Finch" <tops@heart.net> wrote in message
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"george" <nospam@libby-dem-buttkicker.com> wrote in message
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ABCNews broke the story about how middle eastern and Pakistani
individuals -- with ties to Al Qaeda -- were buying mass quantities of
new
disposable cell phones after Risen's articles were published in the
NY(Treason) Times.
You liberal howling monkeys screamed in glee about impeaching Bush over
it, even though the FISA court and caselaw say that the Constitution
gives
him the power to do it without a warrant.
You liberal howling monkeys, who applauded the publishing of the article
can now live with the knowledge that one of your own TIPPED OFF every Al
Qaeda operative in the world by telling him to get new phones.
Just remember who started this whole mess. Bush. You can't weasle Bush
out
of this one, no matter how much you defend Bush. Bush broke the law and
should not be impeached.
Bush should be arrested and I'm sick and tired of watching others be
punished for Bush's actions.
Bush is NOT above the law and Bush is NOT King of Earth.
Bush is a sick individual who started 2 rediculous Wars nearly 3 years ago
and has NOT accomplished ONE DAMN THING except to destroy America's
economy
and good World standing.
Incidently, learn how to post to newsgroups or get out.
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| User: "911" |
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14 Jan 2006 10:10:55 AM |
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"S. D. Finch" <tops@heart.net> wrote in message
Just remember who started this whole mess. Bush.
I remeber quite clearly who declared war (jihaad) on the west, then attacked
the United States. But go ahead and keep on blaming America. It is helping
you lose your cause.
Bush is a sick individual who started 2 rediculous Wars nearly 3 years ago
and has NOT accomplished ONE DAMN THING except to destroy America's
economy
and good World standing.
The economy is fucking great! Best in the G7 and best in the rest of the
world. To bad you're not a part of it. But that is your own fault.
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| User: "Roneal" |
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14 Jan 2006 05:15:41 PM |
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"911" <911@911.911> wrote in message
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"S. D. Finch" <tops@heart.net> wrote in message
Just remember who started this whole mess. Bush.
I remeber quite clearly who declared war (jihaad) on the west, then
attacked
the United States. But go ahead and keep on blaming America. It is helping
you lose your cause.
Bush is a sick individual who started 2 rediculous Wars nearly 3 years
ago
and has NOT accomplished ONE DAMN THING except to destroy America's
economy
and good World standing.
The economy is fucking great! Best in the G7 and best in the rest of the
world. To bad you're not a part of it. But that is your own fault.
What follows is a couple of quotes for all you Bushie Boy Backers to explain
to the world:
On Osama bin Laden
Bush Wants Osama Dead or Alive: "I want justice. And there's an old
poster out West, I recall, that says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'" [Bush, on
Osama Bin Laden, 9/17/01]
Bush Doesn't Care About Osama: "I don't know where he is. You know,
I just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that
concerned about him." [Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02]
And the on the more current subject of Bush's wiretapping without court
orders:
Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way,
any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap,
it requires -- a wiretap requires a COURT ORDER. Nothing has changed, by
the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're
talking about getting a COURT ORDER before we do so.
Why does the praise and support continue to fall upon a totally incompetent
simpleton?
Why does America back up a man whose intellect is matched by a stick?
RO
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| User: "WF Peifer" |
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14 Jan 2006 09:01:29 PM |
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"Roneal" <roneal@wt.net> wrote in message
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Why does the praise and support continue to fall upon a totally
incompetent
simpleton?
That praise and support now comes from only a small segment of society, and
it dwindles in size every day. In these newsgroups, rabid right-wingers
used to outnumber moderates and liberals 10-to-1. Then, for a while, it was
about 2-to-1. Then about even. Now I think it's about 5-to-2 in favor of
moderates and liberals. I really hope the handfull of remaining right-wing
loons doesn't disappear altogether. They aren't much of a challange when it
comes to intellectual debate, but these newsgroups would get awfully boring
without them.
Why does America back up a man whose intellect is matched by a stick?
Polls indicate that they no longer do. It took 5 years, but America is
finally getting smart.
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| User: "george" |
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15 Jan 2006 02:22:40 PM |
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"WF Peifer" <wfpeifer@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Roneal" <roneal@wt.net> wrote in message
news:43c985cc$0$1763$8b463f8a@news.nationwide.net...
Why does the praise and support continue to fall upon a totally
incompetent
simpleton?
That praise and support now comes from only a small segment of society,
and
it dwindles in size every day. In these newsgroups, rabid right-wingers
used to outnumber moderates and liberals 10-to-1. Then, for a while, it
was
about 2-to-1. Then about even. Now I think it's about 5-to-2 in favor of
moderates and liberals. I really hope the handfull of remaining
right-wing
loons doesn't disappear altogether. They aren't much of a challange when
it
comes to intellectual debate, but these newsgroups would get awfully
boring
without them.
Why does America back up a man whose intellect is matched by a stick?
Polls indicate that they no longer do. It took 5 years, but America is
finally getting smart.
Peifer's doing drugs again.
Just a week ago, Peifer-the-loon got his ***** kicked by me over what a
declaration of war is, over what Bush actually said about Iraq and the war
on terror, and why Bush acted legally and constitutionally in ordering
warrantless searches to obtain foreign intelligence.
And as events have proven, Bush was totally correct in doing so because (1)
terrorist attacks against the USA were foiled due to it, and (2) since the
traitors at the NYTimes blew it open, the terroists have DUMPED their phones
to buy new, untraceble, ones.
I found the following on a blog that describe stupid leftist assholes like
Peifer, Zepp, Sid, Finch, WBarwell, Pramer, etc. to a "T."
"One thing I've noticed is there is no arguing with a lefty. The vast
majority will not concede on one point of their argument no matter if their
original spew was subsequently proven wrong or not. This leaves me terribly
frustrated.
Some things in common with all the lefty blogs I read are:
• The habit of quoting unreliable sources, one source only (usually an
unreliable editorial), or no sources to back up their point.
• Their point is almost always cloaked in an emotional plea or point of view
(i.e. save the children, save the whales, save the red cockheaded
woodpecker, look at the 100 million "innocent" people murdered by US white
phosphorus illegal weapons of mass destruction in Fallujah, etc.)
• Their arguments are almost always verbatim moveon.org or DNC talking
points
• Their arguments are mischaracterizations of fact, spun to blame the
current administration for all things evil (i.e. the implication that the
Bush administration was responsible directly for sending the coffins of
fallen warriors in commercial aircraft versus mil air; and that sending them
commercial air was somehow an heartless thing. Totally disregarding the fact
that Mil Air is booked rock solid because the Air Force doesn't have enough
planes to do what it would like to do, because and only because Clinton cut
us so far back that we are now dealing with a mere shadow of what we had.)
• They consistently argue from a point of near ignorance on all the topics
they discuss concerning the military, and exclusively rely on left-leaning
milbloggers to get their "truth" about the conflict. (Those left MilBloggers
being the reservists or others who were discipline problems in the first
place while they were in, and were usually the ones found bitching and
complaining about everything even when there wasn't a war.)
When they can't win the argument, they inevitably resort to personal
attacks. They will say we are "idiots" and automatons who are brainwashed by
Bush. They say we are SS stormtroopers who will rape and pillage on the word
of our sick and twisted Chain of Command, forgetting that most of us are
just regular Joes who only want to do our job and return to our wives and
family. They dehumanize us in their rants. They assassinate our characters
in the name of their beautiful ideals. The whole way they do business seems
more like totalitarian propaganda tactics than anything they accuse us of.
Suffice it to say, I think this kind of divisiveness is going to tear our
country apart
The reality is: the Left is wrong. The left will never impose its values on
us. The Left will never convince America that the Right is only composed of
liars, freaks, and whackos no matter how loud they yell, or how hard they
try. The reason they won't win is because the regular American citizen will
reject their childish rants and arguments, seeing them for the baseless
provocations that they are. If they tried to tone down the anger for a
little while, perhaps some of their legitimate gripes would be heard…but I
doubt they will do that."
T-boneisms found at http://iraqwarjournal.blogspot.com/
It doesn't matter how many posters bother to take you traitors on in the
forums, pig. What matters is that we do take you on and we beat you day in
and day out.
Ta-ta, retard.
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| User: "SHb" |
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15 Jan 2006 05:36:43 PM |
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""""That praise and support now comes from only a small segment of society,
and
it dwindles in size every day. In these newsgroups, rabid right-wingers
used to outnumber moderates and liberals 10-to-1. Then, for a while, it
was
about 2-to-1. Then about even. Now I think it's about 5-to-2 in favor of
moderates and liberals. I really hope the handfull of remaining
right-wing
loons doesn't disappear altogether. They aren't much of a challange when
it
comes to intellectual debate, but these newsgroups would get awfully
boring
without them."""
More to the point you are falsely trying to make:
After five years of listening to the losing side whine we rightwing
conservatives simply do not care to listen and engage in the left's nasty
debates and smears of our guy.
We are still alive and well and numerous, just no longer inclined to hit our
heads against a brick wall as far as refuting every nasty thing you folks
say.
We after all won quite a bit and as evidenced by the dems performance lately
in the Alito Hearings, the loss by the dems of the last three elections in
Iraq and on and on, you just convince Americans of your state.
Go Howie and Cindy and Murtha and Shummer...
"george" <nospam@libby-dem-buttkicker.com> wrote in message
news:dqeaue$h7m$0@pita.alt.net...
"WF Peifer" <wfpeifer@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:i9mdnfSaEeiXJlTeRVn-hw@comcast.com...
"Roneal" <roneal@wt.net> wrote in message
news:43c985cc$0$1763$8b463f8a@news.nationwide.net...
Why does the praise and support continue to fall upon a totally
incompetent
simpleton?
That praise and support now comes from only a small segment of society,
and
it dwindles in size every day. In these newsgroups, rabid right-wingers
used to outnumber moderates and liberals 10-to-1. Then, for a while, it
was
about 2-to-1. Then about even. Now I think it's about 5-to-2 in favor
of
moderates and liberals. I really hope the handfull of remaining
right-wing
loons doesn't disappear altogether. They aren't much of a challange when
it
comes to intellectual debate, but these newsgroups would get awfully
boring
without them.
Why does America back up a man whose intellect is matched by a stick?
Polls indicate that they no longer do. It took 5 years, but America is
finally getting smart.
Peifer's doing drugs again.
Just a week ago, Peifer-the-loon got his ***** kicked by me over what a
declaration of war is, over what Bush actually said about Iraq and the war
on terror, and why Bush acted legally and constitutionally in ordering
warrantless searches to obtain foreign intelligence.
And as events have proven, Bush was totally correct in doing so because
(1) terrorist attacks against the USA were foiled due to it, and (2) since
the traitors at the NYTimes blew it open, the terroists have DUMPED their
phones to buy new, untraceble, ones.
I found the following on a blog that describe stupid leftist assholes like
Peifer, Zepp, Sid, Finch, WBarwell, Pramer, etc. to a "T."
"One thing I've noticed is there is no arguing with a lefty. The vast
majority will not concede on one point of their argument no matter if
their original spew was subsequently proven wrong or not. This leaves me
terribly frustrated.
Some things in common with all the lefty blogs I read are:
. The habit of quoting unreliable sources, one source only (usually an
unreliable editorial), or no sources to back up their point.
. Their point is almost always cloaked in an emotional plea or point of
view (i.e. save the children, save the whales, save the red cockheaded
woodpecker, look at the 100 million "innocent" people murdered by US white
phosphorus illegal weapons of mass destruction in Fallujah, etc.)
. Their arguments are almost always verbatim moveon.org or DNC talking
points
. Their arguments are mischaracterizations of fact, spun to blame the
current administration for all things evil (i.e. the implication that the
Bush administration was responsible directly for sending the coffins of
fallen warriors in commercial aircraft versus mil air; and that sending
them commercial air was somehow an heartless thing. Totally disregarding
the fact that Mil Air is booked rock solid because the Air Force doesn't
have enough planes to do what it would like to do, because and only
because Clinton cut us so far back that we are now dealing with a mere
shadow of what we had.)
. They consistently argue from a point of near ignorance on all the topics
they discuss concerning the military, and exclusively rely on left-leaning
milbloggers to get their "truth" about the conflict. (Those left
MilBloggers being the reservists or others who were discipline problems in
the first place while they were in, and were usually the ones found
bitching and complaining about everything even when there wasn't a war.)
When they can't win the argument, they inevitably resort to personal
attacks. They will say we are "idiots" and automatons who are brainwashed
by Bush. They say we are SS stormtroopers who will rape and pillage on the
word of our sick and twisted Chain of Command, forgetting that most of us
are just regular Joes who only want to do our job and return to our wives
and family. They dehumanize us in their rants. They assassinate our
characters in the name of their beautiful ideals. The whole way they do
business seems more like totalitarian propaganda tactics than anything
they accuse us of.
Suffice it to say, I think this kind of divisiveness is going to tear our
country apart
The reality is: the Left is wrong. The left will never impose its values
on us. The Left will never convince America that the Right is only
composed of liars, freaks, and whackos no matter how loud they yell, or
how hard they try. The reason they won't win is because the regular
American citizen will reject their childish rants and arguments, seeing
them for the baseless provocations that they are. If they tried to tone
down the anger for a little while, perhaps some of their legitimate gripes
would be heard.but I doubt they will do that."
T-boneisms found at http://iraqwarjournal.blogspot.com/
It doesn't matter how many posters bother to take you traitors on in the
forums, pig. What matters is that we do take you on and we beat you day
in and day out.
Ta-ta, retard.
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| User: "WF Peifer" |
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15 Jan 2006 10:26:59 PM |
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"SHb" <sherb@iNO_SPAMntergate.com> wrote in message
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More to the point you are falsely trying to make:
After five years of listening to the losing side whine we rightwing
conservatives simply do not care to listen and engage in the left's nasty
debates and smears of our guy.
TRANSLATION: It's become virtually impossible for you to continue to defend
Dumbya, so rather than try you just quietly disappear into the woodwork, one
by one.
We are still alive and well and numerous, just no longer inclined to hit
our
heads against a brick wall as far as refuting every nasty thing you folks
say.
Numerous? As in what? 10% of the population? 15%?
We after all won quite a bit and as evidenced by the dems performance
lately
in the Alito Hearings,
The Alito Hearings? Until Dems regain control of the Senate, the very fact
that they actually got to question Alito is a victory. With the Judiciary
Committee stacked (according to Senate Rules, of course - no complaint
there) against the Dems, I hardly expected any sort of real "victory" there.
I don't expect one when Alito comes up for a vote, either. The numbers are
what they are. The real question comes when we find out if the Dems will
fillibuster, and, if they do, whether Frist will try the "Nuclear Option".
If they do, and change the Senate Rules to turn it into a "majority rules -
minority has no voice" organization, it's something they'll have to live
with when the Dems become the majority, either one year from now or three.
the loss by the dems of the last three elections in Iraq and
on and on, you just convince Americans of your state.
There were no Democrats running in the last three elections in Iraq, so
there was no loss by them. Come to think of it, there were no pro-Democracy
candidates running, either.
Go Howie and Cindy and Murtha and Shummer...
Don't encourage them. Especially not Murtha. If he gets going, he'll stop
every Pug in his way flatter than a pancake.
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15 Jan 2006 06:00:59 PM |
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"george" <nospam@libby-dem-buttkicker.com> wrote in message
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Peifer's doing drugs again.
Just a week ago, Peifer-the-loon got his ***** kicked by me over what a
declaration of war is, over what Bush actually said about Iraq and the war
on terror, and why Bush acted legally and constitutionally in ordering
warrantless searches to obtain foreign intelligence.
Well, look who got hold of his Mommy's computer again!!! It's Curious
George, every child's favorite monkey. I see you're just as delusional as
ever, monkey boy.
And as events have proven, Bush was totally correct in doing so because
(1)
terrorist attacks against the USA were foiled due to it, and (2) since the
traitors at the NYTimes blew it open, the terroists have DUMPED their
phones
to buy new, untraceble, ones.
Christ, you're such an idiot!
1) There has not been one single terrorist attack against the US thwarted
where the thwarting can be attributed to Bush's illegal wiretapping. Try
proving otherwise.
2) You MIGHT be able to make a case for calling the NSA agent who leaked
the story to the Times a "traitor", but the Times, by printing it, broke no
law and violated no security protocols. They're not bound by the same
security protocols as (for instance) members of the Administration who
leaked the identity of a covert CIA operative and her entire cover company.
Many might argue that the Times, who had the story BEFORE the 2004 election,
did the country a more aggregious disservice by acceding to the Bush
Administration's request and sitting on it until after Bush got reelected
(well, maybe) than they did by releasing it.
3) The terrorists have been dumping their phones after only a single use
since BEFORE 9/11/01! They watch "Law and Order", too, you know!
4) There is no such thing as an "untraceble" cell phone.
I found the following on a blog that describe stupid leftist assholes like
Peifer, Zepp, Sid, Finch, WBarwell, Pramer, etc. to a "T."
*****, George! EVERYTHING you find is on some right-wing blog. Blogs mean
NOTHING, which means they mean slightly more than you.
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| User: "george" |
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16 Jan 2006 05:10:08 AM |
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"WF Peifer" <wfpeifer@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"george" <nospam@libby-dem-buttkicker.com> wrote in message
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Peifer's doing drugs again.
Just a week ago, Peifer-the-loon got his ***** kicked by me over what a
declaration of war is, over what Bush actually said about Iraq and the
war
on terror, and why Bush acted legally and constitutionally in ordering
warrantless searches to obtain foreign intelligence.
Well, look who got hold of his Mommy's computer again!!! It's Curious
George, every child's favorite monkey. I see you're just as delusional as
ever, monkey boy.
Peifer-the-lying-*****-monkey, like every other liberal stooge, is reduced to
mouthing invectives when people like me expose them as the stupid little
turds they are.
Yawn.
And as events have proven, Bush was totally correct in doing so because
(1)
terrorist attacks against the USA were foiled due to it, and (2) since
the
traitors at the NYTimes blew it open, the terroists have DUMPED their
phones
to buy new, untraceble, ones.
Christ, you're such an idiot!
You're so "last election," toad. And you lost that one, too!
1) There has not been one single terrorist attack against the US thwarted
where the thwarting can be attributed to Bush's illegal wiretapping. Try
proving otherwise.
ONCE again, Peifer-the-lying-*****-monkey shows the world what an ignorant
*****-for-brains clown he is.
Ever hear of Iyman Faris, ***** monkey?
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0512/20/sitroom.02.html
Or are you gonna claim that CNN is a "right-wing" blog, too?
2) You MIGHT be able to make a case for calling the NSA agent who leaked
Ever hear of Aldrich Ames, lying ***** monkey?
That was another one, only it was BILL CLINTON who ordered a warrantless
search to obtain foreign intelligence information. You remember BILL
CLINTON, don'tcha, ***** monkey?
The rest of your lying ***** monkey blatherings deleted because you are
stupid.
--
"The left is engaged in treason. Make no mistake about it." [Clayton
Cramer,
http://www.claytoncramer.com/weblog/2006_01_08_archive.html#113717186096022779]
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| User: "S. D. Finch" |
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14 Jan 2006 10:55:23 PM |
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"Roneal" <roneal@wt.net> wrote in message
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"911" <911@911.911> wrote in message
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"S. D. Finch" <tops@heart.net> wrote in message
Just remember who started this whole mess. Bush.
I remeber quite clearly who declared war (jihaad) on the west, then
attacked
the United States. But go ahead and keep on blaming America. It is
helping
you lose your cause.
Bush is a sick individual who started 2 rediculous Wars nearly 3 years
ago
and has NOT accomplished ONE DAMN THING except to destroy America's
economy
and good World standing.
The economy is fucking great! Best in the G7 and best in the rest of the
world. To bad you're not a part of it. But that is your own fault.
What follows is a couple of quotes for all you Bushie Boy Backers to
explain
to the world:
On Osama bin Laden
Bush Wants Osama Dead or Alive: "I want justice. And there's an old
poster out West, I recall, that says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'" [Bush, on
Osama Bin Laden, 9/17/01]
Bush Doesn't Care About Osama: "I don't know where he is. You know,
I just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that
concerned about him." [Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02]
And the on the more current subject of Bush's wiretapping without court
orders:
Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way,
any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap,
it requires -- a wiretap requires a COURT ORDER. Nothing has changed, by
the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're
talking about getting a COURT ORDER before we do so.
Why does the praise and support continue to fall upon a totally
incompetent
simpleton?
Why does America back up a man whose intellect is matched by a stick?
RO
One day when Bush passes away they'll bury him in lemon crate behind his
Lie-bury in Baghdad.
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"911" <911@911.911> wrote in message
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I remeber quite clearly who declared war (jihaad) on the west, then
attacked
the United States. But go ahead and keep on blaming America. It is helping
you lose your cause.
Really? Do you? Tell me, was it Afghanistan? Was it Iraq? Personally, I
had not problem with the Afghanistan invasion. Al Qaeda had admitted to
being behind the 9/11 attack, and the Taliban in Afghanistan was harboring
al Qaeda. Go get 'em, George! But Iraq? With no clear justification for
an invasion of Iraq, why divert most of our resources to an attack of that
godforsaken country, which had harmed us in no way, except to occasionally
call us nasty names? And to all but abandon the search for Osama bin Laden
in Afghanistan, because it was "hard work", and Georgie had more "hard work"
he wanted our troops to do in Iraq?
Now, three years later, we've lost almost as many brave servicemen and women
in Iraq as we lost in that 9/11 attack (an attack planned and carried out by
less than two dozen people). And Iraqi dead have numbered in the tens . . .
possibly hundreds . . . of thousands, many of them innocent women and
children. And for what? To replace the dictator we helped put in power a
few decades ago with a new dictator, who we'll feel compelled to replace
again when he turns against us too? Or perhaps to allow the same sort of
Islamic fundamentalist government we fear so much in Iran to take hold in
Iraq?
The economy is fucking great! Best in the G7 and best in the rest of the
world. To bad you're not a part of it. But that is your own fault.
"Fucking great"? Our National Debt is at an all time high, and the
percentage of every tax dollar that has to go overseas (mostly to China and
Saudi Arabia) just to pay the interest on that debt is increasing rapidly.
Families living below the poverty level is at a record high. Real (adjusted
for inflation) per capita income is down. Unemployment is down, but only
slightly and only because of a recent sharp increase in the number of
low-paying service jobs. The number of high-paying (especially high-tech
professional) jobs is actually down. I suppose the economy is "fucking
great" if you're a member of the idle rich (the true constituency of the
Republican Party) living off the dividends of massive (probably inherited)
stock holdings in corporations that have closed down their U.S. plants and
moved most of their operations to (tax sheltered) overseas facilities where
workers are delighted to have jobs that pay less than $1 an hour. And the
economy's probably pretty "fucking great" if your portfolio is heavy with
Halliburton and its subsidiaries, who're showing record profits due to the
disgraceful war profiteering this administration has handed them on a silver
platter. But if you're a worker whose $20/hr job was outsourced overseas to
some guy named "Punjab" or "Wong", who'll do it for $1/hour, and you're
employed again, but only at $6/hour at MacDonald's, the economy isn't so
"fucking great". It's not too "fucking great" if, like me, you're the owner
of a small business who's trying to compete with these huge corporations
who're getting their labor overseas for next to nothing.
In some areas our economy appears to be the "best in the G7 and best in the
rest of the world", but much of it is smoke and mirrors. Eventually, the
credit card bills (payments on the National Debt) come due. But you're not
concerned about the long term. I guess you don't have children or
grandchildren, because you seem completely unconcerned about their future.
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14 Jan 2006 11:47:37 AM |
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"WF Peifer" <wfpeifer@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"911" <911@911.911> wrote in message
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I remeber quite clearly who declared war (jihaad) on the west, then
attacked
the United States. But go ahead and keep on blaming America. It is
helping
you lose your cause.
Really? Do you? Tell me, was it Afghanistan? Was it Iraq? Personally,
I
had not problem with the Afghanistan invasion. Al Qaeda had admitted to
being behind the 9/11 attack, and the Taliban in Afghanistan was harboring
al Qaeda. Go get 'em, George! But Iraq? With no clear justification for
an invasion of Iraq, why divert most of our resources to an attack of that
godforsaken country, which had harmed us in no way, except to occasionally
call us nasty names? And to all but abandon the search for Osama bin
Laden
in Afghanistan, because it was "hard work", and Georgie had more "hard
work"
he wanted our troops to do in Iraq?
Now, three years later, we've lost almost as many brave servicemen and
women
in Iraq as we lost in that 9/11 attack (an attack planned and carried out
by
less than two dozen people). And Iraqi dead have numbered in the tens . .
.
possibly hundreds . . . of thousands, many of them innocent women and
children. And for what? To replace the dictator we helped put in power a
few decades ago with a new dictator, who we'll feel compelled to replace
again when he turns against us too? Or perhaps to allow the same sort of
Islamic fundamentalist government we fear so much in Iran to take hold in
Iraq?
The economy is fucking great! Best in the G7 and best in the rest of the
world. To bad you're not a part of it. But that is your own fault.
"Fucking great"? Our National Debt is at an all time high, and the
percentage of every tax dollar that has to go overseas (mostly to China
and
Saudi Arabia) just to pay the interest on that debt is increasing rapidly.
Families living below the poverty level is at a record high. Real
(adjusted
for inflation) per capita income is down. Unemployment is down, but only
slightly and only because of a recent sharp increase in the number of
low-paying service jobs. The number of high-paying (especially high-tech
professional) jobs is actually down. I suppose the economy is "fucking
great" if you're a member of the idle rich (the true constituency of the
Republican Party) living off the dividends of massive (probably inherited)
stock holdings in corporations that have closed down their U.S. plants and
moved most of their operations to (tax sheltered) overseas facilities
where
workers are delighted to have jobs that pay less than $1 an hour. And the
economy's probably pretty "fucking great" if your portfolio is heavy with
Halliburton and its subsidiaries, who're showing record profits due to the
disgraceful war profiteering this administration has handed them on a
silver
platter. But if you're a worker whose $20/hr job was outsourced overseas
to
some guy named "Punjab" or "Wong", who'll do it for $1/hour, and you're
employed again, but only at $6/hour at MacDonald's, the economy isn't so
"fucking great". It's not too "fucking great" if, like me, you're the
owner
of a small business who's trying to compete with these huge corporations
who're getting their labor overseas for next to nothing.
In some areas our economy appears to be the "best in the G7 and best in
the
rest of the world", but much of it is smoke and mirrors. Eventually, the
credit card bills (payments on the National Debt) come due. But you're
not
concerned about the long term. I guess you don't have children or
grandchildren, because you seem completely unconcerned about their future.
Sociopathy.
Individuals with this disorder have little regard for the
feeling and welfare of others. As a clinical diagnosis it is usually
limited to those over age 18. It can be diagnosed in younger people
if the they commit isolated antisocial acts and do not show signs of
another mental disorder.
Antisocial Personality Disorder is chronic, beginning in adolescence
and continuing throughout adulthood. There are ten general
symptoms:
not learning from experience
no sense of responsibility
inability to form meaningful relationships
inability to control impulses
lack of moral sense
chronically antisocial behavior
no change in behavior after punishment
emotional immaturity
lack of guilt
self-centeredness
People with this disorder may exhibit criminal behavior. They may
not work. If they do work, they are frequently absent or may quit
suddenly. They do not consider other people's wishes, welfare or
rights. They can be manipulative and may lie to gain personal
pleasure or profit. They may default on loans, fail to provide child
support, or fail to care for their dependents adequately. High risk
sexual behavior and substance abuse are common. Impulsiveness,
failure to plan ahead, aggressiveness, irritability, irresponsibility,
and a reckless disregard for their own safety and the safety of
others are traits of the antisocial personality.
Socioeconomic status, gender, and genetic factors play a role.
Males are more likely to be antisocial than females. Those from
lower socioeconomic groups are more susceptible. A family history
of the disorder puts one at higher risk.
There are many theories about the cause of Antisocial Personality
Disorder including experiencing neglectful parenting as a child, low
levels of certain neurotransmitters in the brain, and belief that
antisocial behavior is justified because of difficult circumstances.
Psychotherapy, group therapy, and family therapy are common
treatments. The effects of medical treatment are inconclusive.
Unfortunately, most people with Antisocial Personality Disorder
reject treatment. Therefore, recovery rates are low.
More of Bush's Sociopathic Personality-----
This is a fascinating clinical list. I leave it to you to apply these
elements to Bush or Fox TV show host you choose.
1.. Glibness/superficial charm.
2.. Grandiose sense of self-worth.
3.. Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
4.. Pathological lying
5.. Conning/manipulative
6.. Lack of remorse or guilt
7.. Shallow affect
8.. Callous/lack of empathy
9.. Parasitic lifestyle
10.. Poor behavioral controls
11.. Promiscuous sexual behavior
12.. Early behavior problems
13.. Lack of realistic, long-term plans
14.. Impulsivity
15.. Irresponsibility
16.. Failure to accept responsibility for own actions
17.. Many short-term marital relationships
18.. Juvenile delinquency
19.. Revocation of conditional release
20.. Criminal versatility (Hare, 1986)
(Narcissism also a characteristic)
"It must be remembered that even the most severely and obviously disabled
psychopath presents a technical appearance of sanity, often with high
intellectual capacities and not infrequently succeeds in business or
professional activities for short periods, some for considerable periods
..Although they occasionally appear on casual inspection as successful
members of the community, as able lawyers, executive or physicians, they do
not, it seems, succeed in the sense of finding satisfaction of fulfillment
in their own accomplishments. Nor do they, when the full story is known,
appear to find this in an ordinary activity."
--H.Cleckley, "The Mask of Sanity"
"Psychiatrists are often helplessly manipulated by the psychopath; just as
are the psychopaths other victims."
--Dr. Ken Magid, "High Risk, Children Without a Conscience."
"There are psychopathic personalities in the highest echelons of
government, and even within religious hierarchies in America. You can t just
assume that a person with the title judge or hospital orderly got there
honestly and won t manipulate the hell out of you."
--Personal communication from Psychologist Schreibman to H. Cleckley,
2/10/86
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14 Jan 2006 12:31:41 PM |
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"S. D. Finch" <tops@heart.net> wrote in message
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Sociopathy.
You mean it actually has a term in mental health circles? And here, all
this time, I've just been assuming it was good old-fashioned Republicanism.
Individuals with this disorder have little regard for the
feeling and welfare of others. As a clinical diagnosis it is usually
limited to those over age 18. It can be diagnosed in younger people
if the they commit isolated antisocial acts and do not show signs of
another mental disorder.
Antisocial Personality Disorder is chronic, beginning in adolescence
and continuing throughout adulthood. There are ten general
symptoms:
not learning from experience
no sense of responsibility
inability to form meaningful relationships
inability to control impulses
lack of moral sense
chronically antisocial behavior
no change in behavior after punishment
emotional immaturity
lack of guilt
self-centeredness
People with this disorder may exhibit criminal behavior. They may
not work. If they do work, they are frequently absent or may quit
suddenly. They do not consider other people's wishes, welfare or
rights. They can be manipulative and may lie to gain personal
pleasure or profit. They may default on loans, fail to provide child
support, or fail to care for their dependents adequately. High risk
sexual behavior and substance abuse are common. Impulsiveness,
failure to plan ahead, aggressiveness, irritability, irresponsibility,
and a reckless disregard for their own safety and the safety of
others are traits of the antisocial personality.
Socioeconomic status, gender, and genetic factors play a role.
Males are more likely to be antisocial than females. Those from
lower socioeconomic groups are more susceptible. A family history
of the disorder puts one at higher risk.
There are many theories about the cause of Antisocial Personality
Disorder including experiencing neglectful parenting as a child, low
levels of certain neurotransmitters in the brain, and belief that
antisocial behavior is justified because of difficult circumstances.
Psychotherapy, group therapy, and family therapy are common
treatments. The effects of medical treatment are inconclusive.
Unfortunately, most people with Antisocial Personality Disorder
reject treatment. Therefore, recovery rates are low.
More of Bush's Sociopathic Personality-----
This is a fascinating clinical list. I leave it to you to apply these
elements to Bush or Fox TV show host you choose.
1.. Glibness/superficial charm.
2.. Grandiose sense of self-worth.
3.. Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
4.. Pathological lying
5.. Conning/manipulative
6.. Lack of remorse or guilt
7.. Shallow affect
8.. Callous/lack of empathy
9.. Parasitic lifestyle
10.. Poor behavioral controls
11.. Promiscuous sexual behavior
12.. Early behavior problems
13.. Lack of realistic, long-term plans
14.. Impulsivity
15.. Irresponsibility
16.. Failure to accept responsibility for own actions
17.. Many short-term marital relationships
18.. Juvenile delinquency
19.. Revocation of conditional release
20.. Criminal versatility (Hare, 1986)
(Narcissism also a characteristic)
"It must be remembered that even the most severely and obviously
disabled
psychopath presents a technical appearance of sanity, often with high
intellectual capacities and not infrequently succeeds in business or
professional activities for short periods, some for considerable periods
.Although they occasionally appear on casual inspection as successful
members of the community, as able lawyers, executive or physicians, they
do
not, it seems, succeed in the sense of finding satisfaction of fulfillment
in their own accomplishments. Nor do they, when the full story is known,
appear to find this in an ordinary activity."
--H.Cleckley, "The Mask of Sanity"
"Psychiatrists are often helplessly manipulated by the psychopath; just
as
are the psychopaths other victims."
--Dr. Ken Magid, "High Risk, Children Without a Conscience."
"There are psychopathic personalities in the highest echelons of
government, and even within religious hierarchies in America. You can t
just
assume that a person with the title judge or hospital orderly got there
honestly and won t manipulate the hell out of you."
--Personal communication from Psychologist Schreibman to H. Cleckley,
2/10/86
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14 Jan 2006 11:24:31 PM |
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"WF Peifer" <wfpeifer@nospam.com> waxed rhapsodic in
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"S. D. Finch" <tops@heart.net> wrote in message
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Sociopathy.
You mean it actually has a term in mental health circles? And here,
all this time, I've just been assuming it was good old-fashioned
Republicanism.
there's nothing old fashioned or republican about this bunch. republicans
used to be fiscally conservative. now they just borrow and spend.
this is usenet, new home to a breed of apologists and corporatists who seem
to want the constitution to be shredded in the name of providing choices to
americans.
they haven't yet realized that their support of neocons is going to cost
them - and the rest of us - dearly in the long run. when they do, it will
be too late.
a lack of foresight, perhaps.
their numbers - like the logic behind their hatred, diatribe, and vitriol -
are shrinking, however. but i won't let my guard down until after the mid-
term elections.
--
http://www.kexp.org
listener-powered and commercial-free.
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14 Jan 2006 10:30:42 AM |
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"S. D. Finch" <tops@heart.net> wrote in message
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Bush broke the law and should not be impeached.
Hey, dude. You said it, not me.
Personally, I think if the guy broke the law egregiously enough, he *should*
be impeached. But that's just me.
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14 Jan 2006 10:50:18 AM |
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"The Pervert" <pervert12@spambad.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"S. D. Finch" <tops@heart.net> wrote in message
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Bush broke the law and should not be impeached.
Hey, dude. You said it, not me.
Personally, I think if the guy broke the law egregiously enough, he
*should*
be impeached. But that's just me.
You conveniently left out the zinger.
Bush broke the law and
should not be impeached.
Bush should be arrested.................
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14 Jan 2006 05:44:47 PM |
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"S. D. Finch" <tops@heart.net> wrote in message
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"The Pervert" <pervert12@spambad.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:AvednYa55NJKulTeRVn-sQ@comcast.com...
"S. D. Finch" <tops@heart.net> wrote in message
news:Wa9yf.1642$or4.746@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
Bush broke the law and should not be impeached.
Hey, dude. You said it, not me.
Personally, I think if the guy broke the law egregiously enough, he
*should*
be impeached. But that's just me.
You conveniently left out the zinger.
Bush broke the law and
should not be impeached.
Bush should be arrested.................
I was just gently chiding you for what I perceived to be a simple typo. Now
I realize my mistake and undestand that you're really a nut job.
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14 Jan 2006 10:25:48 AM |
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"S. D. Finch" <tops@heart.net> wrote in message
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"george" <nospam@libby-dem-buttkicker.com> wrote in message
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ABCNews broke the story about how middle eastern and Pakistani
individuals -- with ties to Al Qaeda -- were buying mass quantities of
new
disposable cell phones after Risen's articles were published in the
NY(Treason) Times.
You liberal howling monkeys screamed in glee about impeaching Bush over
it, even though the FISA court and caselaw say that the Constitution
gives
him the power to do it without a warrant.
You liberal howling monkeys, who applauded the publishing of the article
can now live with the knowledge that one of your own TIPPED OFF every Al
Qaeda operative in the world by telling him to get new phones.
Just remember who started this whole mess. Bush. You can't weasle Bush
out
of this one, no matter how much you defend Bush. Bush broke the law and
should not be impeached.
Bush should be arrested and I'm sick and tired of watching others be
punished for Bush's actions.
Bush is NOT above the law and Bush is NOT King of Earth.
Bush is a sick individual who started 2 rediculous Wars nearly 3 years ago
and has NOT accomplished ONE DAMN THING except to destroy America's
economy
and good World standing.
The economy is going gangbusters, despite the loserloon whining.
Incidently, learn how to post to newsgroups or get out.
Silly twit thinks it can order others around.
Typical liberal control freak.
Jim E
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14 Jan 2006 12:24:13 PM |
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"Jim E" <YD641387@SEA.net> wrote in message
news:42sn0aF1k1ujfU1@individual.net...
The economy is going gangbusters, despite the loserloon whining.
"Going gangbusters"? Our National Debt is at an all time high, and the
percentage of every tax dollar that has to go overseas (mostly to China and
Saudi Arabia) just to pay the interest on that debt is increasing rapidly.
Families living below the poverty level is at a record high. Real (adjusted
for inflation) per capita income is down. Unemployment is down, but only
slightly and only because of a recent sharp increase in the number of
low-paying service jobs. The number of high-paying (especially high-tech
professional) jobs is actually down. I suppose the economy is "going
gangbusters" if you're a member of the idle rich (the true constituency of
the Republican Party) living off the dividends of massive (probably
inherited) stock holdings in corporations that have closed down their U.S.
plants and moved most of their operations to (tax sheltered) overseas
facilities where workers are delighted to have jobs that pay less than $1 an
hour. And the economy's probably "going gangbusters" if your portfolio is
heavy with Halliburton and its subsidiaries, who're showing record profits
due to the disgraceful war profiteering this administration has handed them
on a silver platter. But if you're a worker whose $20/hr job was outsourced
overseas to some guy named "Punjab" or "Wong", who'll do it for $1/hour, and
you're employed again, but only at $6/hour at MacDonald's, the economy isn't
"going gangbusters". It's not "going gangbusters" if, like me, you're the
owner of a small business who's trying to compete with these huge
corporations who're getting their labor overseas for next to nothing.
In some areas our economy appears to be "going gangbusters", but much of it
is smoke and mirrors. Eventually, the credit card bills (payments on the
National Debt) come due. But you're not concerned about the long term. I
guess you don't have children or grandchildren, because you seem completely
unconcerned about their future.
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14 Jan 2006 01:14:48 PM |
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"WF Peifer" <wfpeifer@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:aJednRWFWd9Q3FTeRVn-tQ@comcast.com...
"Jim E" <YD641387@SEA.net> wrote in message
news:42sn0aF1k1ujfU1@individual.net...
The economy is going gangbusters, despite the loserloon whining.
"Going gangbusters"? Our National Debt is at an all time high, and the
percentage of every tax dollar that has to go overseas (mostly to China
and
Saudi Arabia) just to pay the interest on that debt is increasing rapidly.
Families living below the poverty level is at a record high. Real
(adjusted
for inflation) per capita income is down. Unemployment is down, but only
slightly and only because of a recent sharp increase in the number of
low-paying service jobs.
Want to reduce unemployment further?
Deport all the damn illegal aliens.
The number of high-paying (especially high-tech
professional) jobs is actually down.
Then why do we import foreigners to fill all those non existant jobs?
I suppose the economy is "going
gangbusters" if you're a member of the idle rich (the true constituency of
the Republican Party) living off the dividends of massive (probably
inherited) stock holdings in corporations that have closed down their U.S.
plants and moved most of their operations to (tax sheltered) overseas
facilities where workers are delighted to have jobs that pay less than $1
an
hour. And the economy's probably "going gangbusters" if your portfolio is
heavy with Halliburton and its subsidiaries, who're showing record profits
due to the disgraceful war profiteering this administration has handed
them
on a silver platter. But if you're a worker whose $20/hr job was
outsourced
overseas to some guy named "Punjab" or "Wong", who'll do it for $1/hour,
and
you're employed again, but only at $6/hour at MacDonald's, the economy
isn't
"going gangbusters". It's not "going gangbusters" if, like me, you're the
owner of a small business who's trying to compete with these huge
corporations who're getting their labor overseas for next to nothing.
Some rant.
This non silver spoon, no trust fund, hourly shlub
has seen an anual net pay increase of nearly 10% for the last four years.
And who would work for a measly $20 an hour?
Have some pride, aquire a skill.
Jim E
In some areas our economy appears to be "going gangbusters", but much of
it
is smoke and mirrors. Eventually, the credit card bills (payments on the
National Debt) come due. But you're not concerned about the long term. I
guess you don't have children or grandchildren, because you seem
completely
unconcerned about their future.
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14 Jan 2006 02:59:45 PM |
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"Jim E" <YD641387@SEA.net> wrote in message
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Want to reduce unemployment further?
Deport all the damn illegal aliens.
That would only produce more low paying jobs for the highly skilled
unemployed to be told they're "overqualified" to fill.
The number of high-paying (especially high-tech
professional) jobs is actually down.
Then why do we import foreigners to fill all those non existant jobs?
We're not iporting foreigners to fill those jobs. We're exporting the jobs.
When was the last time you called "tech support" for help with your
computer? Did the "tech" speak English really well? Probably not. He
probably spoke with a distinctly Indian, Pakistani or Chinese accent. Do
you think he was sitting in an office in Dallas or L.A.? Probably not. He
was probably sitting in a call center in India, Pakistan or China. THAT'S
why he has the accent.
Some rant.
This non silver spoon, no trust fund, hourly shlub
has seen an anual net pay increase of nearly 10% for the last four years.
So, after inflation, you've managed to maintain status quo.
Congratulations. I guess your employer hasn't chosen to move much of his
operations overseas . . . yet.
And who would work for a measly $20 an hour?
Have some pride, aquire a skill.
I didn't say I worked for $20/hour. I don't, and neither do hardly any of
the people who work for me. The only one who does is a part-time
bookkeeper, at $18/hour. The rest are between $25 and $40. But there are
many people in this country who do . . . or at least DID, until they got
laid off when their employer shut down their plant to move the operations to
an area with a cheaper work force. And, for what it's worth, here in New
Mexico, as in many parts of the country, $20/hour is considered a pretty
good pay rate . . . about 75 cents/hour under what a single-earner family
needs to make it to the nation's real median household income of $43,318,
and there are very few single-earner families these days.
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| Title: Re: You liberals who object to the NSA cell phone tracking project are traitors just like James Risen |
14 Jan 2006 11:42:29 PM |
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"WF Peifer" <wfpeifer@nospam.com> waxed rhapsodic in news:HdmdncxQWqnf-
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So, after inflation, you've managed to maintain status quo.
Congratulations. I guess your employer hasn't chosen to move much of his
operations overseas . . . yet.
uhh, that's because his employer *can't* move his job overseas.
you see, jim here is a flaming hypocrite: he's a member of the association
of western pulp and paper workers local 644 (www.awppw.org).
but he votes for people who would rather see him making less than half of
what he makes now. or replaced by an illegal alien. or better yet, a
machine.
in some ways, he's voting for his own job, because deregulating the timber
industry has recreated jobs at the mills here in washington state.
but if he could sit in on contract negotiations between management and
labor, he would see the other side of the coin.
oh, wait. on second thought, no, he probably wouldn't.
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| User: "Jim E" |
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| Title: Re: You liberals who object to the NSA cell phone tracking project are traitors just like James Risen |
15 Jan 2006 11:58:33 AM |
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"sleeper" <moc.sseldnim@repeels> wrote in message
news:Xns974BDDC139C41sleeper@216.168.3.44...
"WF Peifer" <wfpeifer@nospam.com> waxed rhapsodic in news:HdmdncxQWqnf-
1TeRVn-jw@comcast.com:
So, after inflation, you've managed to maintain status quo.
Congratulations. I guess your employer hasn't chosen to move much of his
operations overseas . . . yet.
uhh, that's because his employer *can't* move his job overseas.
you see, jim here is a flaming hypocrite: he's a member of the
association
of western pulp and paper workers local 644 (www.awppw.org).
but he votes for people who would rather see him making less than half of
what he makes now. or replaced by an illegal alien. or better yet, a
machine.
in some ways, he's voting for his own job, because deregulating the timber
industry has recreated jobs at the mills here in washington state.
but if he could sit in on contract negotiations between management and
labor, he would see the other side of the coin.
oh, wait. on second thought, no, he probably wouldn't.
Just completed negotiations this month.
Contract ratified.
All is well.
Life is good.
Jim E
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| User: "sleeper" |
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| Title: Re: You liberals who object to the NSA cell phone tracking project are traitors just like James Risen |
19 Jan 2006 06:51:27 PM |
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"Jim E" <YD641387@SEA.net> waxed rhapsodic in
news:42vgq6F1l512bU1@individual.net:
"sleeper" <moc.sseldnim@repeels> wrote in message
news:Xns974BDDC139C41sleeper@216.168.3.44...
but if he could sit in on contract negotiations between management
and labor, he would see the other side of the coin.
Just completed negotiations this month.
Contract ratified.
All is well.
Life is good.
fucking socialist.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: You liberals who object to the NSA cell phone tracking project are traitors just like James Risen |
14 Jan 2006 01:31:13 PM |
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Don't forget to thank those liberal types who had the wherewithall to
organize labor so you could earn a decent living Jim.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: You liberals who object to the NSA cell phone tracking project are traitors just like James Risen |
14 Jan 2006 01:53:35 PM |
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Few illegals are going to be deported.
George and his base prefer the vast pool of chap labor.
But you voted for him. Twice.
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| User: "Bob" |
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| Title: Re: You liberals who object to the NSA cell phone tracking project are traitors just like James Risen |
14 Jan 2006 03:07:58 PM |
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<arthurstone309@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137268414.956756.8280@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Few illegals are going to be deported.
George and his base prefer the vast pool of chap labor.
But you voted for him. Twice.
Unfortunately, there was no viable alternative.
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| User: "S. D. Finch" |
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| Title: Re: You liberals who object to the NSA cell phone tracking project are traitors just like James Risen |
14 Jan 2006 10:57:43 PM |
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"Bob" <no@email.address> wrote in message
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<arthurstone309@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137268414.956756.8280@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Few illegals are going to be deported.
George and his base prefer the vast pool of chap labor.
But you voted for him. Twice.
Unfortunately, there was no viable alternative.
Now there's a classic. Bozo the Clown vs. John Kerry. Yeah sure, no
alternative my *****.
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| User: "The Pervert" |
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| Title: Re: You liberals who object to the NSA cell phone tracking project are traitors just like James Risen |
15 Jan 2006 01:38:04 PM |
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"S. D. Finch" <tops@heart.net> wrote in message
news:bDkyf.969$H71.263@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
"Bob" <no@email.address> wrote in message
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<arthurstone309@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137268414.956756.8280@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Few illegals are going to be deported.
George and his base prefer the vast pool of chap labor.
But you voted for him. Twice.
Unfortunately, there was no viable alternative.
Now there's a classic. Bozo the Clown vs. John Kerry. Yeah sure, no
alternative my *****.
And yet more than fifty million American voters voted for somebody other
than your guy. Thus your guy lost to a clown. What does that say about how
your guy was perceived?
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| User: "Bob" |
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| Title: Re: You liberals who object to the NSA cell phone tracking project are traitors just like James Risen |
15 Jan 2006 09:36:25 AM |
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"S. D. Finch" <tops@heart.net> wrote in message
news:bDkyf.969$H71.263@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
"Bob" <no@email.address> wrote in message
news:yKdyf.39344$qw4.17191@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
<arthurstone309@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137268414.956756.8280@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Few illegals are going to be deported.
George and his base prefer the vast pool of chap labor.
But you voted for him. Twice.
Unfortunately, there was no viable alternative.
Now there's a classic. Bozo the Clown vs. John Kerry. Yeah sure, no
alternative my *****.
Bush won in 2004 for one simple reason. Most
Americans saw correctly that Kerry was dangerous
to the security of our great nation. Bush is no prize,
but there was no viable alternative. In 2000, Gore
was simply not presidential material ... as was shown
by his childish behavior after the election.
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