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User: "grinder"
Date: 03 Oct 2005 11:18:34 AM
Object: Red states need blue state money to survive.
Red staters (those that voted for junior) are kind of like Iraq. They need
blue state money to make ends meet. They should get down on their knees and
thank their lucky stars for the generosity of blue staters.
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2004/09/red_states_feed.html
Of the 32 states (and the District of Columbia) that are "winners" --
receiving more in federal spending than they pay in federal taxes -- 76% are
Red States that voted for George Bush in 2000. Indeed, 17 of the 20 (85%)
states receiving the most federal spending per dollar of federal taxes paid
are Red States. Here are the Top 10 states that feed at the federal trough.
States Receiving MOST in Federal Spending Per Dollar of Federal Taxes Paid:
1. D.C. ($6.17) - blue
2. North Dakota ($2.03) - red
3. New Mexico ($1.89)- blue
4. Mississippi ($1.84) - red
5. Alaska ($1.82) - red
6. West Virginia ($1.74) - red
7. Montana ($1.64) - red
8. Alabama ($1.61) - red
9. South Dakota ($1.59) - red
10. Arkansas ($1.53) - red
States Receiving LEAST in Federal Spending Per Dollar of Federal Taxes Paid:
1. New Jersey ($0.62) - blue
2. Connecticut ($0.64)- blue
3. New Hampshire ($0.68)- red
4. Nevada ($0.73)- red
5. Illinois ($0.77)- blue
6. Minnesota ($0.77)- blue
7. Colorado ($0.79)- red
8. Massachusetts ($0.79)- blue
9. California ($0.81)- blue
10. New York ($0.81)- blue
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User: "Jim E"

Title: Re: Red States Feed Helpless Blu states. 03 Oct 2005 02:51:51 PM
"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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Red staters

Provide the food that feeds the city slickers of the big blu cities.
Ever see a city dweeb trying to figure out how they make milk?
Jim E
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User: "Dion"

Title: Re: Red States Feed Helpless Blu states. 03 Oct 2005 02:55:33 PM
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Red staters


Provide the food that feeds the city slickers of the big blu cities.
Ever see a city dweeb trying to figure out how they make milk?


Jim E

More food is now imported into the USA than ever before.
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User: "Jim E"

Title: Re: Red States Feed Helpless Blu states. 03 Oct 2005 03:17:31 PM
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Red staters


Provide the food that feeds the city slickers of the big blu cities.
Ever see a city dweeb trying to figure out how they make milk?


Jim E


More food is now imported into the USA than ever before.


Another meaningless statement.
Let me know when we import more than we produce.
Flimsy evasions are so stupid.
Jim E
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User: "Dion"

Title: Re: Red States Feed Helpless Blu states. 03 Oct 2005 03:59:48 PM
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Red staters


Provide the food that feeds the city slickers of the big blu cities.
Ever see a city dweeb trying to figure out how they make milk?


Jim E


More food is now imported into the USA than ever before.



Another meaningless statement.
Let me know when we import more than we produce.
Flimsy evasions are so stupid.



Jim E

http://www.cityofseattle.net/tda/industry/agriculture.htm
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User: "Dion"

Title: Re: Red States Feed Helpless Blu states. 03 Oct 2005 03:56:53 PM
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Red staters


Provide the food that feeds the city slickers of the big blu cities.
Ever see a city dweeb trying to figure out how they make milk?


Jim E


More food is now imported into the USA than ever before.



Another meaningless statement.
Let me know when we import more than we produce.
Flimsy evasions are so stupid.



Jim E

http://www.eco-farm.org/efa/declaration/newdirections_fischer.html
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User: "Rudy Canoza"

Title: Re: Red States Feed Helpless Blu states. 03 Oct 2005 06:30:01 PM
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Red staters


Provide the food that feeds the city slickers of the big blu cities.
Ever see a city dweeb trying to figure out how they make milk?


Jim E


More food is now imported into the USA than ever before.



Another meaningless statement.
Let me know when we import more than we produce.
Flimsy evasions are so stupid.



Jim E

http://www.eco-farm.org/efa/declaration/newdirections_fischer.html

Their statement that imports already exceed exports is false. The U.S.
agricultural trade surplus is shrinking, however, and the USDA says
that it could turn into a deficit within this decade. See
http://www.ers.usda.gov/Amberwaves/February04/Features/USTradeBalance.htm
That's somewhat misleading, however. What's declining is our exports
of bulk commodities; the cheap stuff. What is increasing is our
imports of higher quality processed foods; Warsteiner and Kirin and
Sapporo to displace that goddamned horse ***** Budweiser. The U.S. is
not importing bulk food crops, and probably never will.
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Title: Re: Red States Feed Helpless Blu states. 03 Oct 2005 03:57:19 PM
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Red staters


Provide the food that feeds the city slickers of the big blu cities.
Ever see a city dweeb trying to figure out how they make milk?


Jim E


More food is now imported into the USA than ever before.



Another meaningless statement.
Let me know when we import more than we produce.
Flimsy evasions are so stupid.



Jim E

http://www.ers.usda.gov/amberwaves/February04/Features/USTradeBalance.htm
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User: "Dion"

Title: Re: Red States Feed Helpless Blu states. 03 Oct 2005 03:58:08 PM
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Red staters


Provide the food that feeds the city slickers of the big blu cities.
Ever see a city dweeb trying to figure out how they make milk?


Jim E


More food is now imported into the USA than ever before.



Another meaningless statement.
Let me know when we import more than we produce.
Flimsy evasions are so stupid.



Jim E

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User: "Dion"

Title: Re: Red States Feed Helpless Blu states. 03 Oct 2005 03:59:08 PM
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Red staters


Provide the food that feeds the city slickers of the big blu cities.
Ever see a city dweeb trying to figure out how they make milk?


Jim E


More food is now imported into the USA than ever before.



Another meaningless statement.
Let me know when we import more than we produce.
Flimsy evasions are so stupid.



Jim E

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/24/business/24farm.html?ex=1259038800&en=a89d7434776b6728&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland
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User: "Dion"

Title: Re: Red States Feed Helpless Blu states. 03 Oct 2005 03:58:30 PM
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Red staters


Provide the food that feeds the city slickers of the big blu cities.
Ever see a city dweeb trying to figure out how they make milk?


Jim E


More food is now imported into the USA than ever before.



Another meaningless statement.
Let me know when we import more than we produce.
Flimsy evasions are so stupid.



Jim E

http://www.pugetconsumerscoop.org/sc/0501/newsbites.html
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User: "grinder"

Title: Re: Red States Feed Helpless Blu states. 03 Oct 2005 03:38:22 PM
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Red staters


Provide the food that feeds the city slickers of the big blu cities.
Ever see a city dweeb trying to figure out how they make milk?


Jim E


More food is now imported into the USA than ever before.



Another meaningless statement.
Let me know when we import more than we produce.
Flimsy evasions are so stupid.



Jim E

Fact remains blue states support red states. Money talks - B.S. walks.
Have a nice hike.
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User: "Jim E"

Title: Re: Red States Feed Helpless Blu states. 03 Oct 2005 03:45:46 PM
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Red staters


Provide the food that feeds the city slickers of the big blu cities.
Ever see a city dweeb trying to figure out how they make milk?


Jim E


More food is now imported into the USA than ever before.



Another meaningless statement.
Let me know when we import more than we produce.
Flimsy evasions are so stupid.



Jim E


Fact remains blue states support red states. Money talks - B.S. walks.

Have a nice hike.

Fact remains red states call the shots.
Power talks, losers walk
Have a long hike.
Jim E
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User: "Jeff W."

Title: Re: Red States Feed Helpless Blu states. 03 Oct 2005 06:23:56 PM
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Fact remains red states call the shots.

I hate to lay this unfortunate reality of our democratic republic - just
because one party holds a political majority, doesn't mean the minority
party lacks either representation or political power in this country.
Perhaps you should return to elementary school and learn how our government
works?
-Jeff
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User: "Jim E"

Title: Re: Red States Feed Helpless Blu states. 03 Oct 2005 07:43:26 PM
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Fact remains red states call the shots.


I hate to lay this unfortunate reality of our democratic republic - just
because one party holds a political majority, doesn't mean the minority
party lacks either representation or political power in this country.

Perhaps you should return to elementary school and learn how our
government works?

Well then, what is all the sniveling from the left about?
You are duly represented, and therefor have no *****.
Glad you finally worked that out.
Jim E
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User: "Tom Betz"

Title: Re: Red States Feed Helpless Blu states. 03 Oct 2005 06:14:23 PM
Quoth "Jim E" <YD641387@SEA.net> in news:3qdhuqFed8jaU1
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Let me know when we import more than we produce.

We're there now.
See <http://www.truthabouttrade.org/article.asp?id=2902>
And the negative agricultural trade balance is growing every day.
Katrina is just going to accelerate it, as (for example) sugar
producers wil finally have to give in to reality and let US's
ridiculoously high trade barriers down, thus permittingCanadian and
Mexican sugar into our market for the first time.
--
George Bush's War of Choice on Iraq is a totally unnecessary war.
Every life lost, every limb lost, every disfigurement, every
disability caused there is more blood on George W. Bush's hands,
and on the hands of everyone who voted for George W. Bush.
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User: "Rudy Canoza"

Title: Re: Red States Feed Helpless Blu states. 03 Oct 2005 08:05:38 PM
Tom Betz wrote:

Quoth "Jim E" <YD641387@SEA.net> in news:3qdhuqFed8jaU1
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Let me know when we import more than we produce.


We're there now.

See <http://www.truthabouttrade.org/article.asp?id=2902>

Not quite. Even your source doesn't say that.
Again, it's misleading. Importing food is not a sign of weakness, and
exporting it is not necessarily a sign of strength.
The whole picture is somewhat misleading, because the foodstuffs being
imported are much more processed than what we export. We're importing
higher quality and higher priced things and exporting lower cost bulk
commodities. That is, we're sending out bulk grain, and we're getting
back Italian prosciutto and Parmesan cheese, and excellent German beer.
I'd say it's an excellent trade. Between imports of Warsteiner,
Bitburger and Spaten, plus the strong emergence of our own microbrewery
industry, maybe Anheuser-Busch and Miller will stop producing so much
of that donkey ***** the red-staters love to guzzle, and start producing
some decent beer. American beer isn't fit to clean out a filthy cat
box; but red-staters just swig it down.
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User: "grinder"

Title: Re: Red States Feed Helpless Blu states. 03 Oct 2005 03:29:43 PM
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Red staters


Provide the food that feeds the city slickers of the big blu cities.
Ever see a city dweeb trying to figure out how they make milk?


Jim E

California (blue state) leads the nation in milk production. The fact
remains blue states have kick money into red states to make them viable.
Hell, we are even forced to by ethanol when we don't need because midwest
farmers need the subsidy for their corn.
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User: "Jim E"

Title: Re: Red States Feed Helpless Blu states. 03 Oct 2005 03:41:14 PM
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Red staters


Provide the food that feeds the city slickers of the big blu cities.
Ever see a city dweeb trying to figure out how they make milk?


Jim E


California (blue state) leads the nation in milk production. The fact
remains blue states have kick money into red states to make them viable.
Hell, we are even forced to by ethanol when we don't need because midwest
farmers need the subsidy for their corn.

Ethanol totally screws up engines. the stuff is for drinking, not burning.
Jim E
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User: "Server 13"

Title: Re: Red States Feed Helpless Blu states. 03 Oct 2005 04:44:44 PM
Jim E wrote:

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Red staters


Provide the food that feeds the city slickers of the big blu cities.
Ever see a city dweeb trying to figure out how they make milk?


Jim E


California (blue state) leads the nation in milk production. The fact
remains blue states have kick money into red states to make them viable.
Hell, we are even forced to by ethanol when we don't need because midwest
farmers need the subsidy for their corn.


Ethanol totally screws up engines. the stuff is for drinking, not burning.


Jim E


more made-up crazyass republicrap.
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User: "Jim E"

Title: Re: Red States Feed Helpless Blu states. 03 Oct 2005 07:50:56 PM
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Jim E wrote:

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Red staters


Provide the food that feeds the city slickers of the big blu cities.
Ever see a city dweeb trying to figure out how they make milk?


Jim E


California (blue state) leads the nation in milk production. The fact
remains blue states have kick money into red states to make them viable.
Hell, we are even forced to by ethanol when we don't need because midwest
farmers need the subsidy for their corn.


Ethanol totally screws up engines. the stuff is for drinking, not
burning.


Jim E

more made-up crazyass republicrap.

Ask any mechanic what that crud does to O rings, gaskets, and other
synthetic parts in the fuel system.
Not to mention how it absolutely trashes mileage, and cold weather
performance.
And for this abuse, we pay higher prices.
The ecoweenies at work again.
Jim E

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User: ""

Title: Re: Red States Feed Helpless Blu states. 03 Oct 2005 09:28:56 PM
Jim:
Ethanol is not pushed by the environmentalists. It is pushed by the
farmers and midwesterners.
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User: "Jim E"

Title: Re: Red States Feed Helpless Blu states. 03 Oct 2005 09:44:23 PM
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Jim:

Ethanol is not pushed by the environmentalists. It is pushed by the
farmers and midwesterners.

Not in this state.
Our pumps have a Fed sticker in the winter that says it's mandated for some
silly emission or other.
Seems to be Nov to Feb.
My Harley mech told me not to try working on the carb or manifold during
those months, as all the gaskets, and seals would be so swollen that they
would require replacement if opened up.
Between a mech, and a pol, no contest, I believe the mech.
Jim E
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User: ""

Title: Re: Red States Feed Helpless Blu states. 03 Oct 2005 09:29:01 PM
Jim:
Ethanol is not pushed by the environmentalists. It is pushed by the
farmers and midwesterners.
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User: "Aunt Judy likes it in the rear"

Title: Re: Red States Feed Helpless Blu states. 06 Oct 2005 07:48:11 PM
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Red staters


Provide the food that feeds the city slickers of the big blu cities.
Ever see a city dweeb trying to figure out how they make milk?


Jim E


California (blue state) leads the nation in milk production. The fact
remains blue states have kick money into red states to make them viable.
Hell, we are even forced to by ethanol when we don't need because midwest
farmers need the subsidy for their corn.

Where do you get your electricity from? What are "rolling blackouts",
anyway?
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User: "Lamont Cranston"

Title: Re: Red States Feed Helpless Blu states. 04 Oct 2005 09:50:37 AM
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Red staters


Provide the food that feeds the city slickers of the big blu cities.
Ever see a city dweeb trying to figure out how they make milk?


Jim E



California (blue state) leads the nation in milk production. The fact
remains blue states have kick money into red states to make them viable.
Hell, we are even forced to by ethanol when we don't need because midwest
farmers need the subsidy for their corn.


California also leads the nation in the production of the following:
Artichokes
Asparagus
Broccoli
Cabbage
Carrots
Celery
Garlic
Lettuce
Cantaloupe
Honeydew
Onions
Bell Peppers
Spinach
Almond
Apricots
Avocados
Strawberries
Dates
Figs
Grapes
Kiwi
Lemons
Nectarines
Olives
Peaches
Pistachios
Plums
Walnuts
Honey
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User: "Jim E"

Title: Re: Red States Feed Helpless Blu states. 04 Oct 2005 11:48:52 PM
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Red staters


Provide the food that feeds the city slickers of the big blu cities.
Ever see a city dweeb trying to figure out how they make milk?


Jim E



California (blue state) leads the nation in milk production. The fact
remains blue states have kick money into red states to make them viable.
Hell, we are even forced to by ethanol when we don't need because midwest
farmers need the subsidy for their corn.


California also leads the nation in the production of the following:

Artichokes
Asparagus
Broccoli
Cabbage
Carrots
Celery
Garlic
Lettuce
Cantaloupe
Honeydew
Onions
Bell Peppers
Spinach
Almond
Apricots
Avocados
Strawberries
Dates
Figs
Grapes
Kiwi
Lemons
Nectarines
Olives
Peaches
Pistachios
Plums
Walnuts
Honey

You left out illegal bean burners.
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User: "Kevin Cunningham"

Title: Re: Red States Feed Helpless Blu states. 03 Oct 2005 05:08:51 PM
"Jim E" <YD641387@SEA.net> wrote in message
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Red staters


Provide the food that feeds the city slickers of the big blu cities.
Ever see a city dweeb trying to figure out how they make milk?


Jim E

Jim, Could you respond to the point of this discussion? Let me refresh your
memory, red states need the money the blue states provide. Discuss.
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User: "Jim E"

Title: Re: Red States Feed Helpless Blu states. 03 Oct 2005 07:51:35 PM
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"Jim E" <YD641387@SEA.net> wrote in message
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"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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Red staters


Provide the food that feeds the city slickers of the big blu cities.
Ever see a city dweeb trying to figure out how they make milk?


Jim E

Jim, Could you respond to the point of this discussion? Let me refresh
your memory, red states need the money the blue states provide. Discuss.

Reject your statement.
next.
Jim E
.
User: "Rudy Canoza"

Title: Re: Red States Feed Helpless Blu states. 03 Oct 2005 07:58:31 PM
diminutive jimmie lied:

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diminutive jimmie lied:


"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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Red staters


Provide the food that feeds the city slickers of the big blu cities.
Ever see a city dweeb trying to figure out how they make milk?


Jim E

Jim, Could you respond to the point of this discussion? Let me refresh
your memory, red states need the money the blue states provide. Discuss.



Reject your statement.

Then we can stop sending the money? The numbers don't lie, diminutive
jimmie.
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User: "Jim E"

Title: Re: Red States Feed Helpless Blu states. 03 Oct 2005 08:07:31 PM
"Rudy Canoza" <notgenx32@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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diminutive jimmie lied:

"Kevin Cunningham" <smskjd@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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diminutive jimmie lied:


"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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Red staters


Provide the food that feeds the city slickers of the big blu cities.
Ever see a city dweeb trying to figure out how they make milk?


Jim E

Jim, Could you respond to the point of this discussion? Let me refresh
your memory, red states need the money the blue states provide.
Discuss.



Reject your statement.


Then we can stop sending the money? The numbers don't lie, diminutive
jimmie.

The only numbers so far are from you.
That makes them more worthless than statistics.
Better luck next Supreme Court.
<snicker>
Jim E
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