Remember when Bill Clinton let the BATF kill all those people in Waco Texas?



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User: "Dr. Harold Paul Goldfinger"
Date: 20 Apr 2004 07:05:21 PM
Object: Remember when Bill Clinton let the BATF kill all those people in Waco Texas?
Remember when Bill Clinton let the BATF kill all those people in Waco
Texas?
Remember when you were a little child, and you thought everyone in
America believed in freedom and being free?
Since you've grown up, you now realize that not all Americans believe
in liberty for all. Some, mostly in the democRATic Party, believe in a
sort of limited concept of liberty. You can may remain free as long as
you agree with them. Take for instance the Bill Clinton era situation
that took place in Waco, and the church that was burned down, and
where 85 Americans lost their lives. Those Americans were just living
at that church way out in the middle of no where close to Waco Texas.
The democRAT-controlled congress of the day was thinking about dumping
the BATF and making those agents into members of the FBI.
The BATF wanted no part of this. As with most federal agencies, there
is no love between them. The BATF had to think up something quick to
justify their existence. It was known by the BATF that David Koresh
had a compound with a church and many families living apart from
mainstream society near Waco. As with Ruby Ridge, the federal
government seems to hate Americans that want to live away from big
cities quietly doing their own thing. It seems that living like this
attracts government attention. Of course, government wants to rule
over you, not just uphold your rights and ensure your security as it
was designed to do. Oh no, government wants to be your god, and how
dare you think of doing for yourself out their on a large plot of land
in the middle of Texas??? Government employees need you to need them
so that they can keep their jobs!
So, the BATF decided to go check out David Koresh with the idea that
since he was ordering gun parts in the mail, he might be ordering
illegal gun parts, but no one knew for certain. So the cowboys of the
BATF road into town with guns drawn and ready to fire. It was at this
point that the local sheriff told the BATF that he knew Koresh and
that he was an ok kind of guy, and that he came to town all the time
to buy stuff, thus he was no threat to anyone. This information had no
effect on the plans of the BATF. The agency needed to look good on the
evening news so that congress wouldn't kill off the federal law
enforcement
agency.
Agents surrounded the compound and told Koresh to come out. He wanted
to talk to the leader of the pack before coming out, but one thing led
to another and a stand off ensued. For over a month, agents turned off
the water, electricity, and allowed little or no food to enter the
compound. By this time, the nation was focused on Waco, and FBI agents
took over the situation. They played loud noises to try to make the
families leave the church, but they were scared to death.
The home and church was just a wood structure. As US army tanks rolled
into Waco, and Cobra helicopters flew overhead, the patience of the
FBI had run out. A plan was set into motion. Gas the building with CS
gas used in WWII and banned since. CS gas is highly flammable. The
tanks moved forward and shoved their turrets into the simple building,
the home of many women and children. As the tanks began to inject gas
into the building, fire was added. Was it done on purpose to keep the
public from seeing the bullet holes in the front door and all over the
building where agents had fired at the occupants? Was the fire just an
accident? Both the Murrah building and the Koresh church were
eventually scraped off the ground and carted away by the government.
Why? Why was the actual earth around these buildings and under them
as well, removed?
Why was there a huge hole in the roof of the concrete cellar which was
used for kitchen storage at the Koresh church? Many people gathered
into the cellar on the day that the church was set ablaze. People have
since stated that the feds placed a large explosive on the roof of the
concrete room with the idea of sending millions of concrete fragments
into the room at bullet speed to kill the occupants. There were many
found dead in that room. Mothers, fathers and children were all
killed. The hole in the roof is on film. You can see that the blast on
the roof was set dead center on the top side where a much smaller
hole was seen. When in the room looking upward, you could see the hole
was much larger. The hole was similar to the kind of effect caused by
a BB hitting glass. It was conical in shape with the large side facing
downward.
When the dust and flamed cleared, 85 Americans lay dead throughout the
compound. Many lies were told to justify the actions of the Clinton
administration. But, government had to remain in control and appear
faultless. Koresh was said to be a child molester. He was supposed to
have a speed lab in the building making huge amounts of meth to sell.
He was supposed to have had illegal weapons, and performed illegal
mods to weapons he owned. The lies kept coming. Government lost its
cool, and 85 people were dead. Someone had to take the blame, but
just like Ruby Ridge where the federal marshall was promoted after
killing a woman holding her child, no one in either the FBI, or BATF
suffered as a result of the outcome of this tragic situation. Liberal
style government protects its own.
So, when you're thinking back on your childhood and you remember how
wonderful things seemed then because you didn't know how bad things
can really get, just for a moment, remember the people who died at
Waco and Ruby Ridge who were victims of an out of control liberal
democRAT controlled government, right here IN AMERICA. Remember that
not everyone in our fair land supports the concept of liberty for all.
Remember that, as our founders told us, government must be very
limited and under the complete control of We the People, or massive
abuses of power will occur, and lives and liberty
will be lost.
.

User: "Gregory Gadow"

Title: Re: Remember when Bill Clinton let the BATF kill all those people inWaco Texas? 21 Apr 2004 08:33:11 AM
"Dr. Harold Paul Goldfinger" wrote:

Remember when Bill Clinton let the BATF kill all those people in Waco
Texas?

And how many non-combatants has Bush let US troops kill in Afghanistan and
Iraq? At least Clinton made an effort to find a peaceful solution first.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
.

User: "RTO Trainer"

Title: Re: Remember when Bill Clinton let the BATF kill all those people in Waco Texas? 21 Apr 2004 03:02:29 AM
Dr. Harold Paul Goldfinger <hpgoldfinger@N0SPAM.C0M> wrote in message news:<lkeb80hns9jru90b3ruvimv5b0vc9coce8@4ax.com>...

Remember when Bill Clinton let the BATF kill all those people in Waco
Texas?

You are obviously running out of facts and making stuff up.
.
User: "Ike4Kerry"

Title: Re: Remember when Bill Clinton let the BATF kill all those peoplein Waco Texas? 21 Apr 2004 09:31:55 AM
RTO Trainer wrote:

Dr. Harold Paul Goldfinger <hpgoldfinger@N0SPAM.C0M> wrote in message news:<lkeb80hns9jru90b3ruvimv5b0vc9coce8@4ax.com>...

Remember when Bill Clinton let the BATF kill all those people in Waco
Texas?



You are obviously running out of facts and making stuff up.

Typical Republican... If Bush was doing every intern in the Oval
office you can bet Harry & his ilk would not see any problem...
What he forgets is the Republicans did EVERYTHING they could to PREVENT
Clinton form taking out Saddam & Osama... ***** on a dress was MORE important
than the terrorist threat.
Ike
.


User: "Robert Merritt"

Title: Re: Remember when Bill Clinton let the BATF kill all those people in Waco Texas? 21 Apr 2004 11:05:04 AM
I say waste all religious fanatic groups, christian,muslim whatever.....
RM
"Dr. Harold Paul Goldfinger" <hpgoldfinger@N0SPAM.C0M> wrote in message
news:lkeb80hns9jru90b3ruvimv5b0vc9coce8@4ax.com...

Remember when Bill Clinton let the BATF kill all those people in Waco
Texas?


Remember when you were a little child, and you thought everyone in
America believed in freedom and being free?

Since you've grown up, you now realize that not all Americans believe
in liberty for all. Some, mostly in the democRATic Party, believe in a
sort of limited concept of liberty. You can may remain free as long as
you agree with them. Take for instance the Bill Clinton era situation
that took place in Waco, and the church that was burned down, and
where 85 Americans lost their lives. Those Americans were just living
at that church way out in the middle of no where close to Waco Texas.
The democRAT-controlled congress of the day was thinking about dumping
the BATF and making those agents into members of the FBI.

The BATF wanted no part of this. As with most federal agencies, there
is no love between them. The BATF had to think up something quick to
justify their existence. It was known by the BATF that David Koresh
had a compound with a church and many families living apart from
mainstream society near Waco. As with Ruby Ridge, the federal
government seems to hate Americans that want to live away from big
cities quietly doing their own thing. It seems that living like this
attracts government attention. Of course, government wants to rule
over you, not just uphold your rights and ensure your security as it
was designed to do. Oh no, government wants to be your god, and how
dare you think of doing for yourself out their on a large plot of land
in the middle of Texas??? Government employees need you to need them
so that they can keep their jobs!

So, the BATF decided to go check out David Koresh with the idea that
since he was ordering gun parts in the mail, he might be ordering
illegal gun parts, but no one knew for certain. So the cowboys of the
BATF road into town with guns drawn and ready to fire. It was at this
point that the local sheriff told the BATF that he knew Koresh and
that he was an ok kind of guy, and that he came to town all the time
to buy stuff, thus he was no threat to anyone. This information had no
effect on the plans of the BATF. The agency needed to look good on the
evening news so that congress wouldn't kill off the federal law
enforcement
agency.

Agents surrounded the compound and told Koresh to come out. He wanted
to talk to the leader of the pack before coming out, but one thing led
to another and a stand off ensued. For over a month, agents turned off
the water, electricity, and allowed little or no food to enter the
compound. By this time, the nation was focused on Waco, and FBI agents
took over the situation. They played loud noises to try to make the
families leave the church, but they were scared to death.

The home and church was just a wood structure. As US army tanks rolled
into Waco, and Cobra helicopters flew overhead, the patience of the
FBI had run out. A plan was set into motion. Gas the building with CS
gas used in WWII and banned since. CS gas is highly flammable. The
tanks moved forward and shoved their turrets into the simple building,
the home of many women and children. As the tanks began to inject gas
into the building, fire was added. Was it done on purpose to keep the
public from seeing the bullet holes in the front door and all over the
building where agents had fired at the occupants? Was the fire just an
accident? Both the Murrah building and the Koresh church were
eventually scraped off the ground and carted away by the government.
Why? Why was the actual earth around these buildings and under them
as well, removed?

Why was there a huge hole in the roof of the concrete cellar which was
used for kitchen storage at the Koresh church? Many people gathered
into the cellar on the day that the church was set ablaze. People have
since stated that the feds placed a large explosive on the roof of the
concrete room with the idea of sending millions of concrete fragments
into the room at bullet speed to kill the occupants. There were many
found dead in that room. Mothers, fathers and children were all
killed. The hole in the roof is on film. You can see that the blast on
the roof was set dead center on the top side where a much smaller
hole was seen. When in the room looking upward, you could see the hole
was much larger. The hole was similar to the kind of effect caused by
a BB hitting glass. It was conical in shape with the large side facing
downward.

When the dust and flamed cleared, 85 Americans lay dead throughout the
compound. Many lies were told to justify the actions of the Clinton
administration. But, government had to remain in control and appear
faultless. Koresh was said to be a child molester. He was supposed to
have a speed lab in the building making huge amounts of meth to sell.
He was supposed to have had illegal weapons, and performed illegal
mods to weapons he owned. The lies kept coming. Government lost its
cool, and 85 people were dead. Someone had to take the blame, but
just like Ruby Ridge where the federal marshall was promoted after
killing a woman holding her child, no one in either the FBI, or BATF
suffered as a result of the outcome of this tragic situation. Liberal
style government protects its own.

So, when you're thinking back on your childhood and you remember how
wonderful things seemed then because you didn't know how bad things
can really get, just for a moment, remember the people who died at
Waco and Ruby Ridge who were victims of an out of control liberal
democRAT controlled government, right here IN AMERICA. Remember that
not everyone in our fair land supports the concept of liberty for all.
Remember that, as our founders told us, government must be very
limited and under the complete control of We the People, or massive
abuses of power will occur, and lives and liberty
will be lost.


.

User: "Zardoz"

Title: Re: Remember when Bill Clinton let the BATF kill all those people in Waco Texas? 21 Apr 2004 08:46:43 AM
Yeah and these people living there JUST happened to have multiple high
powered automatic weapons and a siege plan. The DEA did not kill them they
booby trapped themselves!
Their deaths though tragic, were no ones fault but their own just like
Jamestown.
"Dr. Harold Paul Goldfinger" <hpgoldfinger@N0SPAM.C0M> wrote in message
news:lkeb80hns9jru90b3ruvimv5b0vc9coce8@4ax.com...

Remember when Bill Clinton let the BATF kill all those people in Waco
Texas?

.


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