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"Joe Jakarta" |
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04 Sep 2006 04:52:38 AM |
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Revealed: 9/11 Was Tragic Error by CIA |
When the CIA embarked on its "Predator" remote-control aircraft
program, it hoped to kill Osama bin Laden in his Afghan mountain
fastness. A drone, armed with Hellfire missiles, and flying from
Uzbekistan, but controlled from CIA headquarters at Langley, could end
his menace to world civilization.
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch6.htm
But, receiving intelligence that the world's premier terrorist was in
New York, clean-shaven and disguised as a Jewish businessman, together
with one of his brothers (similarly attired), the agency switched plans
and, for the first time, mobilized its Predator fleet over US
territory.
Thus on September 11, 2001, a group of Predators, each with its
complement of missiles, was patrolling the skies of New York. The
morning smog swirled eerily around the craft as they flew.
At Langley, controllers gazed at the projector screens, carrying the
images transmitted by the Predators, and tried to peer through the
yellow miasma in the air. A controller sighted what he thought were
the notorious brothers standing side-by-side - but it was the twin
silhouettes of the towers of the World Trade Center. The bin Laden
brothers are almost as tall, and the mistake was not as outlandish as
it may first seem.
The controller directed two of the craft toward the targets ....
And the rest, as they say, is hysteria.
http://Myfive.org/twinkle-twinkle-little-jStar
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| Title: Re: Revealed: 9/11 Was Tragic Error by CIA |
04 Sep 2006 03:01:17 PM |
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Joe Jakarta wrote:
The STUPIDIST FUCKING PIECE OF ***** I have ever beheld in a dozen years
of following USENET - am I thought I had seen it all....
But "Bright (one HELL of a misnomer) Ice" proves once again that he has
reached Zen Master level of the state of perfected cretinhood....
What planet - nay, universe - did he land from that he believes such
utterly worthless and easily refuted tripe?
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| User: "PagCal" |
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| Title: Re: Revealed: 9/11 Was Tragic Error by CIA |
04 Sep 2006 06:13:04 PM |
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wrote:
Joe Jakarta wrote:
The STUPIDIST FUCKING PIECE OF ***** I have ever beheld in a dozen years
of following USENET - am I thought I had seen it all....
But "Bright (one HELL of a misnomer) Ice" proves once again that he has
reached Zen Master level of the state of perfected cretinhood....
What planet - nay, universe - did he land from that he believes such
utterly worthless and easily refuted tripe?
The guy is mocking the 9/11 doubters.
What did hit the pentagon, btw?
Why were the security tapes never released?
Why did 1/3 of those in the building smell cordite?
Why was the color of the flame wrong, showing cordite, not jet fuel burning?
Why was the hole too small in the building for a 'heavy'?
Where were the engines for the aircraft?
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| User: "Redman" |
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| Title: Re: Revealed: 9/11 Was Tragic Error by CIA |
05 Sep 2006 12:46:40 AM |
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"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:5q2Lg.51$Ct3.5@newsfe06.lga...
renaborney@aol.com wrote:
Joe Jakarta wrote:
The STUPIDIST FUCKING PIECE OF ***** I have ever beheld in a dozen years
of following USENET - am I thought I had seen it all....
But "Bright (one HELL of a misnomer) Ice" proves once again that he has
reached Zen Master level of the state of perfected cretinhood....
What planet - nay, universe - did he land from that he believes such
utterly worthless and easily refuted tripe?
The guy is mocking the 9/11 doubters.
What did hit the pentagon, btw?
Why were the security tapes never released?
Why did 1/3 of those in the building smell cordite?
Never mind that, what about the firefighters, police, other survivors that
have all said that there were bombs going off in the buildings?
Redman
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| User: "Dan" |
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| Title: Re: Revealed: 9/11 Was Tragic Error by CIA |
05 Sep 2006 08:45:26 AM |
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Redman wrote:
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:5q2Lg.51$Ct3.5@newsfe06.lga...
renaborney@aol.com wrote:
Joe Jakarta wrote:
The STUPIDIST FUCKING PIECE OF ***** I have ever beheld in a dozen years
of following USENET - am I thought I had seen it all....
But "Bright (one HELL of a misnomer) Ice" proves once again that he has
reached Zen Master level of the state of perfected cretinhood....
What planet - nay, universe - did he land from that he believes such
utterly worthless and easily refuted tripe?
The guy is mocking the 9/11 doubters.
What did hit the pentagon, btw?
Why were the security tapes never released?
Why did 1/3 of those in the building smell cordite?
Never mind that, what about the firefighters, police, other survivors that
have all said that there were bombs going off in the buildings?
Redman
Don't forget all the little gray men from Phrax the CIA borrowed from
area 51. They were seen lighting fuses on M-80 firecrackers and running
from floor to floor on the north tower.
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Revealed: 9/11 Was Tragic Error by CIA |
07 Sep 2006 12:21:23 PM |
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Redman wrote:
Why did 1/3 of those in the building smell cordite?
SNIP
Because they don't know what it smells like
FYI, the US military has never used Cordite (it's primary user has been
the BRITISH), it uses Composition B which is a different formulation
(principally no nitroglycerine)....both of which are low explosives
like black powder that is used exclusively as a propellent for
artillery shells (solid rocket fuels use an entirely difefrent
formulation and differ in physical characteristics) as opposed to hogh
explosives such as TNT that would used in missile warhead.
They may have smelled something, but it wouldn't have been cordite or
its US equivalent, Comp B.
And, with all the various materials in the buildings - especially with
synthetic materials burning away - who knows what was cooked up to
create what smells.
Never mind that, what about the firefighters, police, other survivors that
have all said that there were bombs going off in the buildings?
SNIP
They were all in positions to see those bombs, right?
Get me a citation from a reputable source that says "I saw a bomb"
Any of those cops who survived would also tell you how notoriously
unreliable eyewitness accounts are of crimes and crome scenes - we see
what we want to see.
Here's a friendly word of advice to you and your buddies, never get
invloved in a battle of wits, you're shooting blanks....
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| User: "Dan" |
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| Title: Re: Revealed: 9/11 Was Tragic Error by CIA |
04 Sep 2006 08:43:26 PM |
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PagCal wrote:
renaborney@aol.com wrote:
Joe Jakarta wrote:
The STUPIDIST FUCKING PIECE OF ***** I have ever beheld in a dozen years
of following USENET - am I thought I had seen it all....
But "Bright (one HELL of a misnomer) Ice" proves once again that he has
reached Zen Master level of the state of perfected cretinhood....
What planet - nay, universe - did he land from that he believes such
utterly worthless and easily refuted tripe?
The guy is mocking the 9/11 doubters.
What did hit the pentagon, btw?
Why were the security tapes never released?
Why did 1/3 of those in the building smell cordite?
Why was the color of the flame wrong, showing cordite, not jet fuel
burning?
Why was the hole too small in the building for a 'heavy'?
Where were the engines for the aircraft?
Cordite? That's a new one for me. It's primarily used for a
propellant not demolition.
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
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| User: "PagCal" |
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| Title: Re: Revealed: 9/11 Was Tragic Error by CIA |
05 Sep 2006 02:36:10 AM |
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Dan wrote:
PagCal wrote:
renaborney@aol.com wrote:
Joe Jakarta wrote:
The STUPIDIST FUCKING PIECE OF ***** I have ever beheld in a dozen years
of following USENET - am I thought I had seen it all....
But "Bright (one HELL of a misnomer) Ice" proves once again that he has
reached Zen Master level of the state of perfected cretinhood....
What planet - nay, universe - did he land from that he believes such
utterly worthless and easily refuted tripe?
The guy is mocking the 9/11 doubters.
What did hit the pentagon, btw?
Why were the security tapes never released?
Why did 1/3 of those in the building smell cordite?
Why was the color of the flame wrong, showing cordite, not jet fuel
burning?
Why was the hole too small in the building for a 'heavy'?
Where were the engines for the aircraft?
Cordite? That's a new one for me. It's primarily used for a propellant
not demolition.
.... and for powering a missle?
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
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| User: "Dan" |
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| Title: Re: Revealed: 9/11 Was Tragic Error by CIA |
05 Sep 2006 08:42:23 AM |
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PagCal wrote:
Dan wrote:
PagCal wrote:
renaborney@aol.com wrote:
Joe Jakarta wrote:
The STUPIDIST FUCKING PIECE OF ***** I have ever beheld in a dozen years
of following USENET - am I thought I had seen it all....
But "Bright (one HELL of a misnomer) Ice" proves once again that he has
reached Zen Master level of the state of perfected cretinhood....
What planet - nay, universe - did he land from that he believes such
utterly worthless and easily refuted tripe?
The guy is mocking the 9/11 doubters.
What did hit the pentagon, btw?
Why were the security tapes never released?
Why did 1/3 of those in the building smell cordite?
Why was the color of the flame wrong, showing cordite, not jet fuel
burning?
Why was the hole too small in the building for a 'heavy'?
Where were the engines for the aircraft?
Cordite? That's a new one for me. It's primarily used for a
propellant not demolition.
... and for powering a missle?
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
No, try naval guns.
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
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| User: "Joe Jakarta" |
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| Title: Re: Revealed: 9/11 Was Tragic Error by CIA |
07 Sep 2006 10:09:05 AM |
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Dan wrote:
PagCal wrote:
Dan wrote:
PagCal wrote:
[...]
Cordite? That's a new one for me. It's primarily used for a
propellant not demolition.
... and for powering a missle?
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
No, try naval guns.
The two fingers of the Aurora.
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| User: "PagCal" |
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| Title: Re: Revealed: 9/11 Was Tragic Error by CIA |
05 Sep 2006 03:03:35 AM |
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Dan wrote:
PagCal wrote:
renaborney@aol.com wrote:
Joe Jakarta wrote:
The STUPIDIST FUCKING PIECE OF ***** I have ever beheld in a dozen years
of following USENET - am I thought I had seen it all....
But "Bright (one HELL of a misnomer) Ice" proves once again that he has
reached Zen Master level of the state of perfected cretinhood....
What planet - nay, universe - did he land from that he believes such
utterly worthless and easily refuted tripe?
The guy is mocking the 9/11 doubters.
What did hit the pentagon, btw?
Why were the security tapes never released?
Why did 1/3 of those in the building smell cordite?
Why was the color of the flame wrong, showing cordite, not jet fuel
burning?
Why was the hole too small in the building for a 'heavy'?
Where were the engines for the aircraft?
Cordite? That's a new one for me. It's primarily used for a propellant
not demolition.
and, see also
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/explosive.html
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Revealed: 9/11 Was Tragic Error by CIA |
07 Sep 2006 12:08:22 PM |
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PagCal wrote:
The guy is mocking the 9/11 doubters.
SNIP
Congratulations!! You sure catch on fast!
RESNIP
Idiotic drivel snipped
Tell ya what, get $12.98 and go to a bookstore. Ask the clerk to get
you
"Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the
Facts (Paperback)"
http://www.amazon.com/Debunking-11-Myths/dp/158816635X
A Groundbreaking, meticulous, and scientific analysis of the 9/11
conspiracy theories
The first conspiracy theories about September 11 began to emerge while
the wreckage was still smoldering. Today, nearly five years later,
hundreds of books and thousands of Web pages are devoted to the idea
that the U.S. government encouraged, permitted, or actually carried out
the attacks. These theories claim to be based on hard evidence. But an
in-depth investigation by POPULAR MECHANICS-first published in the
magazine's March 2005 issue, and now greatly expanded into book
form-definitively proves that the evidence most often cited by
conspiracy theorists is inaccurate, misinterpreted, or false.
The original article in POPULAR MECHANICS caused a huge groundswell of
interest, setting off online debates that continue to this day.
Debunking 9/11 Myths expands that investigation to include the 20 most
prominent and persistent claims underlying the conspiracy theories,
focusing on concrete, physical facts rather than political
hypothesizing. Among the issues examined: claims that air traffic
control violated standard operating procedures by not immediately
intercepting the stricken jets; that the fire caused by the crashes
wasn't actually hot enough to melt steel and cause structural damage
in the World Trade Center; that the holes in the Pentagon were too
small to have been made by a Boeing 757; and that Flight 93 was
actually shot down by an Air Force plane.
The fascinating and in-depth findings come from leading experts in all
the relevant fields, including aviation, air defense, air traffic
control, civil engineering, firefighting, metallurgy, and geology."
Than have someone read it to you
"I think it's ridiculous that this book is even necessary, but having
these conspiracy theories pop up in my workplace on a weekly basis I
guess it's necessary. The one my coworker always talks about is the
Pentagon attack. I try to reason with him, he acknowledges that planes
flew into the Twin Towers because he saw that, so I ask him, "so the
government had a missile strike planned to hit the Pentagon at the same
time that terrorists would attack us?". That's ridiculous, but of
course I think I'm just talking to a person disgruntled with America in
general (big time Dem) and is looking to latch onto anything that
confirms his paranoia. The only people who will buy this book are
people like me who will try to argue that terrorists did the damage not
our own government, the ones who doubt will forever continue to doubt
because to them America is a bad place."
"am in complete agreement with the arguments advanced by David Dunbar
and Brad Reagan. The scientific evidence overwhelmingly supports the
conventional explanation concerning the terrorists attacks on 9/11. On
that horrible morning, a relatively small handful of Islamic nihilists
carried out a modest plan to severely damage our nation's economy. They
saw the holes in our defenses and took full advantage of our naivet=E9.
The actual operation was very basic and required little more than a few
brains and brute force. A brilliant James Bond type villain was not
needed.
The authors cite Richard Hofstadter who some forty years ago focussed
on the conspiracy theories of the Radical Right. They also quote
liberal think tank researcher Chip Berlet who perspicaciously points
out that "Populist conspiracism sees secret plots by tiny cabals of
evildoers as the major motor powering important historical events." But
how many present day conservatives believe in the 9/11 conspiracy
nonsense? It is my guess (and I candidly admit that I lack hard facts)
that most individuals who do so are left wingers. And more then a few
possess advanced degrees behind their name! Not all of them are blue
collar bubbas living in the the swamps of Louisiana. It is time for the
professional pollsters to find out for sure. Who are these goofy
people? How "mainstream" are they?"
QED
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| User: "Joe Jakarta" |
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| Title: Re: Revealed: 9/11 Was Tragic Error by CIA |
05 Sep 2006 06:10:27 AM |
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wrote:
Joe Jakarta wrote:
The STUPIDIST FUCKING PIECE OF ***** I have ever beheld in a dozen years
of following USENET - am I thought I had seen it all....
But "Bright (one HELL of a misnomer) Ice" proves once again that he has
reached Zen Master level of the state of perfected cretinhood....
What planet - nay, universe - did he land from that he believes such
utterly worthless and easily refuted tripe?
I'll have you know I've been with intelligence for years!
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| User: "Joe Jakarta" |
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| Title: Re: Revealed: 9/11 Was Tragic Error by CIA |
05 Sep 2006 06:22:16 AM |
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I may as well mention here that CIA was also testing its anthrax
airmailing project, when the Predator unfortunately crashed into the
main mail office in New York -- thus causing the anthrax attacks.
Well, no agency can get it right 100 percent of the time. They
protected us well enough during the Cold War.
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