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Riza or fosterage by suckling in Islam |
Riza or fosterage by suckling
Have you ever thought of an adult Muslim man marrying an infant (less
than two years old) as well as an adult woman who has a suckling baby?
What happens if the baby that is married has no one to suckle her
(say, she is an orphan) except the adult lactating wife? Of course,
the solution in today's world is to bottle-feed the infant wife with
formula milk. However, this may not be the true Islamic solution. Here
is the Islamic answer:
Hedaya (ref. 11, p.71)
Case of one of two wives suckling the other IF a man marry an infant
and an adult and the latter should give milk to the former, both wives
become prohibited with respect to that man [their husband], because if
they were to continue united in marriage to him, it would imply the
propriety of joint cohabitation with the foster-mother and her
foster-daughter, which is prohibited, in the same manner as joint
cohabitation with a natural mother and daughter. IT is to be observed
on this occasion, that if the husband should not have had carnal
connexion with the adult wife, she is not entitled to any dower
whatever because the separation has proceeded from her, before
consummation:-- but the infant has a claim to her half dower, the
separation not having proceeded from her.
So far, what I mentioned above relates to an adult man marrying an
infant girl. How about an infant boy marrying a grown up girl (nine
years and above)? As per Islamic Sharia, there is, of course, no
restriction on this practise. The only means by which a child can be
prevented from marrying a grown up girl (that is to make him halal to
visit her and be with her in privacy) is through a peculiar system in
Islam known as RIZA or Rid'a.
The Dictionary of Islam (ref. 6, p.546) defines RIZA thus:
RIZA. A legal term, which means sucking milk from the breast of a
woman for a certain time.
The legal definition of RIZA is given in HEDAYA(ref. 11 ) as follows:
RIZA, or fosterage (Ibid, p.67)
Definition of the term Riza, in its legal sense, means a child
suckling milk from the breast of a woman for a certain time, which is
termed the period of fosterage.
This is the Islamic name for suckling through fosterage. It is the
practice by which a newly born baby is handed over to another woman
who is able to suckle the infant. It was (and still is) a practice by
the rich Arabs by which they hand over their newly born infants to be
suckled by Beduin women. Even Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was suckled,
initially, by Thueiba, a slave woman of his uncle Abu Lahab for a very
brief period, and then, by his foster mother, Halima.
Here is a hadith proclaiming the restrictions by fosterage:
What is haram by birth is also haram by suckling...30.3.15
Malik's Muwatta: Book 30, Number 30.3.15:
Yahya related to me from Malik from Abdullah ibn Dinar from Sulayman
ibn Yasar and from Urwa ibn az-Zubayr from A'isha umm al-muminin, that
the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said,
" What is haram by birth is haram by suckling
This practice will make the child being suckled to be haram to the
foster mother. That is, the child, when he grows up, has unhindered
access to his foster mother. It is, as if, the foster mother is the
'real mother' of the child. There is no problem with this noble
provision, of course. So, where is the trouble? Let us examine the
situation up close.
In Islam, a woman can be married at any age even when she is a newly
born baby. A foster mother can be any woman, nine years or older,
other than her own biological mother. Imagine, a six-month old infant
boy is suckled by a foster mother who is slightly above nine years of
age. Now, when the infant boy becomes an adult of eighteen years
(which is the age of Islamic puberty for male) the foster mother is
slightly above twenty-seven years old, still a very youthful age for
marriage, love, sex and childbearing. According to the Islamic law,
the foster mother is completely forbidden to marry this newly turned
adult male. He cannot even marry his foster sister.
Here are a few rules on Islamic suckling or fosterage from the
'Reliance of the Traveller', the most authentic Sha'ria book (ref.
8,pp.575-576)
n12.0 BECOMING UNMARRIAGEABLE KIN BY SUCKLING (RIDA')
n12.1 An infant becomes the "child" of the female who breast-feeds him
(A: in respect to being unable to marry her, to the permissibility of
looking at her and being alone with her, and inhis ablution (wudu) not
being nullified by touching her) when:
(a) the milk comes from a female at least nine years old whether it
is occasioned by sexual or something else;
(b) and she breast-feeds a child who is less than two full years
old;
(c) in at least five separate breast-feedings (O:a restriction that
excludes anything less than five; which is of no consequence. Separate
breast-feedings means whatever is commonly acknowledged (def: f4.5) to
be separate)
n12.2 In such a case:
(1) It is unlawful for the wet nurse to marry the child and its
subsequent descendants (O: by familial relation or by suckling)
exclusively (O: exclusively meaning that only the child's descendants
become unlawful for her to marry, not the child's ancestors (N: or
brothers)):
(2) She becomes the child's "mother," and it is unlawful for the
child to marry her, her ancestors (O: by familial relation or by
suckling), her descendants (O: who become as if they were brothers and
sisters (O: though the child is not forbidden to marry the latter's
children).
In ahadith we read a few interesting stories about RIZA. Here are some
samples.
Aisha's sister Umm Kulthum suckled Salim ibn Abdullah ibn Umar only
three times; that is why it was haram for him to visit Aisha; if
suckled ten times by Kulthum then he would be halal for her...30.1.7
Malik's Muwatta: Book 30, Number 30.1.7:
Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi that Salim ibn Abdullah ibn
Umar informed him that A'isha umm al-muminin sent him away while he
was being nursed to her sister Umm Kulthum bint Abi Bakr as-Siddiq and
said, "Suckle him ten times so that he can come in to see me."
Salim said, "Umm Kulthum nursed me three times and then fell ill, so
that she only nursed me three times. I could not go in to see A'isha
because Umm Kulthum did not finish for me the ten times."
Ten suckle is required for a boy to be halal to visit a woman...30.1.8
Malik's Muwatta :Book 30, Number 30.1.8:
Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi that Safiyya bint Abi Ubayd
told him that Hafsa, umm al-muminin, sent Asim ibn Abdullah ibn Sad to
her sister Fatima bint Umar ibn al-Khattab for her to suckle him ten
times so that he could come in to see her. She did it, so he used to
come in to see her.
(Please note that ten suckling was later abrogated by five suckles)
Malik's Muwatta: Book 30, Number 30.3.17:
Yahya related to me from Malik from Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr ibn Hazm
from Amra bint Abd ar-Rahman that A'isha, the wife of the Prophet, may
Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Amongst what was sent down
of the Qur'an was 'ten known sucklings make haram' - then it was
abrogated by 'five known sucklings'. When the Messenger of Allah, may
Allah bless him and grant him peace, died, it was what is now recited
of the Qur'an."
Yahya said that Malik said, "One does not act on this."
Needless to say that in an Islamic paradise, RIZA will be a perfectly
rightful method to solve the problem of milk supply for the babies.
Now, imagine what will happen to the marriage market if most women
give up their infants to their foster mothers for a limited period of
time! The marriage market will come to a halt, no joke. Most potential
suitors will be forbidden for each other due to RIZA or suckling by
fosterage, isn't it?
Of course, I cited an extreme scenario of Islamic fosterage.Modern
world is not at all dependent on RIZA or suckling by fosterage. We
have formula milk for those infants whose mothers are unable to
breast-feed them for one reason or other. However, I could not find
any Sha'ria rule where bottle-feeding can be used as an alternative to
RIZA. See, in the seventh century medieval period, there was no baby
formula milk, nor was there any concept of bottle-feeding as an
alternative to suckling. Therefore, those Bedouin Arabs resorted to
RIZA to solve the mother's milk supply problem.
An interesting argument will be to know if a lactating woman can
suckle an adult man or not? Tauba! Tauba!What a preposterous
idea!Islam can never allow such a thing. It is a thought only provoked
by Satan, the Islamists will declare. It is true that we find no
mention of legitimacy of suckling an adult man or an adult woman in
Sha'ria. Neither there is any mention of its illegality.In a few
ahdith, we find mind-boggling episodes on RIZA. Let us review a few of
them.
A woman can suckle a young boy so that he becomes haram for her...
8.3426
Sahih Muslim: Book 008, Number 3426:
Ibn Abu Mulaika reported that al-Qasim b. Muhammad b. Abu Bakr had
narrated to him that 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that
Sahla bint Suhail b. 'Amr came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon
him) and said: Messenger of Allah, Salim (the freed slave of Abu
Hudhaifa) is living with us in our house, and he has attained
(puberty) as men attain it and has acquired knowledge (of the sex
problems) as men acquire, whereupon he said: Suckle him so that he may
become unlawful (in regard to marriage) for you He (Ibn Abu Mulaika)
said: I refrained from (narrating this hadith) for a year or so on
account of fear. I then met al-Qasim and said to him: You narrated to
me a hadith which I did not narrate (to anyone) afterwards. He said:
What is that? I informed him, whereupon he said: Narrate it on my
authority that 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) had narrated that
to me.
Sex with slave-girls/captive women is a perfectly valid Islamic way
for a Muslim man to satisfy his sexual appetite. How about his
wife?No, his wife can never indulge in such sex orgies. Therefore, it
is quite natural for the unfortunate wife to be jealous (read mad) to
prevent her husband from indulging in such vulgarity. Can RIZA be
successfully applied here? Well, an extremely jealous woman did just
that. She went to the young adult slave-girl and suckled her with her
breast. This made the slave-girl haram to her husband. What a novel
idea it was to prevent her amorous husband from having further
intercourse with the slave-girl! Alas! It did not work out well for
her. Who received the punishment? Yes, it was the lactating wife of
the Muslim man! Hazrat Umar asked her to be flogged, thus protecting
the right of her husband to have unhindered sex orgy with his
slave-girl. It sounds mind boggling, isn't it? Here is the story from
Malik's Muwatta, the founder of Maliki School of Islamic
jurisprudence.
Umar told a man to beat his wife for suckling a slave-girl with whom
he used to have sex; kinship by suckling is only by the suckling of
the young...30.2.13
Malik's Muwatta: Book 30, Number 30.2.13:
Yahya related to me from Malik that Abdullah ibn Dinar said, "A man
came to Abdullah ibn Umar when I was with him at the place where
judgments were given and asked him about the suckling of an older
person. Abdullah ibn Umar replied, 'A man came to Umar ibn al-Khattab
and said, 'I have a slave-girl and I used to have intercourse with
her. My wife went to her and suckled her. When I went to the girl, my
wife told me to watch out, because she had suckled her!' Umar told him
to beat his wife and to go to his slave-girl because kinship by
suckling was only by the suckling of the young.' "
Is it possible to extend the concept of RIZA to a husband and his
wife/s?
Wastagferullah! Wastagferullah! Naujubillah! No sane Muslim can even
think of committing this despicable act, Islamists will say. However,
what we find in the Holy Scripture is quite upsetting, to say the
least.
If you drink your wife's milk than that does not make the relationship
haram, there is only kinship by suckling in the first two
years...30.2.14
Malik's Muwatta:Book 30, Number 30.2.14:
Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Said that a man said to
Abu Musa al-Ashari, "I drank some milk from my wife's breasts and it
went into my stomach." Abu Musa said, "I can only but think that she
is haram for you." Abdullah ibn Masud said, "Look at what opinion you
are giving the man." Abu Musa said, "Then what do you say?" Abdullah
ibn Masud said, "There is only kinship by suckling in the first two
years."
Abu Musa said, "Do not ask me about anything while this learned man is
among you."
Who was Abdullah ibn Masud? He was among the closest ten companions of
Muhammad (pbuh) who was promised paradise by him. Every word uttered
by ibn Masud is considered to be completely authentic. In fact, his
position could be easily considered next to Muhammad. Now, what did
ibn Masud say in the above hadis? Readers, please think about its
implication. Yes, a husband can drink his wife's milk and still can
remain her sex partner. Strange Islamic rules! Here is another silly
hadis:
It is permissible to have intercourse with a suckling lady...8.3391
Shahih Muslim:Book 008, Number 3391:
Judaima daughter of Wahb al-Asadiyya (Allah be pleased with her)
reported that she heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as
saying: I intended to prohibit cohabitation with a suckling woman
until I considered that the Romans and the Persians do it without any
injury being caused to their children thereby. (Imam Muslim said:
Khalaf reported it from Judamat al-'Asadiyya, but the correct wording
is what has been stated by Yahya.)
The reason why suckling the milk of a woman by her adult husband is
quite alright is explained in the following lines by Malik. When the
adult drinks the milk of his wife, the milk is treated as a food and
not as foster milk! This, indeed is the bizarre Islamic rule, to say
the least.
Suckling is for the first two years, even if it is only a drop;
whatever is after two years is only food that is eaten...30.1.10, 11
Malik's Muwatta: Book 30, Number 30.1.11:
Yahya related to me from Malik that Yahya ibn Said said that he heard
Said ibn al-Musayyab say, "Suckling is only while the child is in the
cradle. If not, it does not cause flesh and blood relations."
Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab that he said, "Suckling
however little or much, makes haram. Kinship by suckling makes men
mahram."
Yahya said that he had heard Malik say, "Suckling, however little or
much when it is in the first two years, makes haram. As for what is
after the first two years, little or much, it does not make anything
haram. It is like food."
And finally, we have this gem of all ahadith. Please read the
following hadis and decide whom shall you bash first, before you call
me an Islam basher.
Mohammad disliked withdrawing the penis before semen was discharged;
he also disliked having intercourse with a woman suckling a baby; but
these were not forbidden...34.4210
Sunaan Abu Dawud: Book 34, Number 4210:
Narrated Abdullah ibn Mas'ud:
The Prophet of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) disliked ten things: Yellow
colouring, meaning khaluq, dyeing grey hair, trailing the lower
garment, wearing a gold signet-ring, a woman decking herself before
people who are not within the prohibited degrees, throwing dice, using
spells except with the Mu'awwidhatan, wearing amulets, withdrawing the
penis before the semen is discharged, in the case of a woman who is
wife or not a wife, and having intercourse with a woman who is
suckling a child; but he did not declare them to be prohibited.
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09 Jun 2007 06:00:22 PM |
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Different anti-Islam troll, same crap
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| User: "Topaz" |
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| Title: Re: Riza or fosterage by suckling in Islam |
10 Jun 2007 03:49:08 PM |
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Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street
Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review.
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