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"Erik A. Mattila" |
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28 Oct 2004 05:00:56 PM |
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Rudy throws troops to the dogs to cover Bush's ***** |
K.C. wrote:
Kerry, upon hearing of missing explosives, first blamed the US troops
for losing them without checking if they were already gone before the
troops got there. Is this the President you want that also wants an
international (UN) court to try US troops for crimes?
K.C.
K.C. - some friendly advice: "You don't want to go there...!"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4581121,00.html
``As he has done over and over for the past four years, George Bush
refuses to step up and take responsibility,'' Edwards said. ``It is time
for him to step aside and that's exactly what's going to happen on
November the 2nd.''
Edwards seized on comments former New York City Mayor Rudy Guiliani made
on NBC's ``Today'' show Thursday in which he said the troops in Iraq,
not the president, bore the responsibility for searching for the explosives.
``No matter how you try to blame it on the president, the actual
responsibility for it really would be for the troops that were there.
Did they search carefully enough - didn't they search carefully
enough?'' Guiliani said on ``Today.''
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| User: "eldorado" |
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| Title: Re: Rudy throws troops to the dogs to cover Bush's ***** |
29 Oct 2004 07:39:56 AM |
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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Erik A. Mattila wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4581121,00.html
``As he has done over and over for the past four years, George Bush
refuses to step up and take responsibility,'' Edwards said. ``It is time
for him to step aside and that's exactly what's going to happen on
November the 2nd.''
Edwards seized on comments former New York City Mayor Rudy Guiliani made
on NBC's ``Today'' show Thursday in which he said the troops in Iraq,
not the president, bore the responsibility for searching for the explosives.
``No matter how you try to blame it on the president, the actual
responsibility for it really would be for the troops that were there.
Did they search carefully enough - didn't they search carefully
enough?'' Guiliani said on ``Today.''
All I can say is shame on Bush and company for trying to blame the troops
for Bush's ***** ups. Can his trying to shift the blame sink any lower?
George "I aint to blame, it's the troops fault" Bush
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| User: "Sir Cumference" |
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| Title: Re: Rudy throws troops to the dogs to cover Bush's ***** |
29 Oct 2004 03:21:47 PM |
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eldorado wrote:
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Erik A. Mattila wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4581121,00.html
``As he has done over and over for the past four years, George Bush
refuses to step up and take responsibility,'' Edwards said. ``It is time
for him to step aside and that's exactly what's going to happen on
November the 2nd.''
Edwards seized on comments former New York City Mayor Rudy Guiliani made
on NBC's ``Today'' show Thursday in which he said the troops in Iraq,
not the president, bore the responsibility for searching for the explosives.
``No matter how you try to blame it on the president, the actual
responsibility for it really would be for the troops that were there.
Did they search carefully enough - didn't they search carefully
enough?'' Guiliani said on ``Today.''
All I can say is shame on Bush and company for trying to blame the troops
for Bush's ***** ups. Can his trying to shift the blame sink any lower?
George "I aint to blame, it's the troops fault" Bush
Don't think Bush ever attempted to put the blame on the troops, Kerry
sure did. However it appears the troops did just what they were supposed
to do.
Maj. Austin Pearson, speaking at a news conference at the Pentagon, said
his team removed 250 tons of TNT, plastic explosives, detonation cords
and white phosphorus rounds on April 13, 2003, 10 days after U.S. forces
first reached the Al-Qaqaa site.
Can Kerry and his lying sink any lower? He must really enjoy it down at
the bottom of the political and journalistic sewer pit with the likes of
CBS and Dan Blather.
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| User: "eldorado" |
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| Title: Re: Rudy throws troops to the dogs to cover Bush's ***** |
29 Oct 2004 03:52:43 PM |
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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004, Sir Cumference wrote:
eldorado wrote:
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Erik A. Mattila wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4581121,00.html
``As he has done over and over for the past four years, George Bush
refuses to step up and take responsibility,'' Edwards said. ``It is time
for him to step aside and that's exactly what's going to happen on
November the 2nd.''
Edwards seized on comments former New York City Mayor Rudy Guiliani made
on NBC's ``Today'' show Thursday in which he said the troops in Iraq,
not the president, bore the responsibility for searching for the explosives.
``No matter how you try to blame it on the president, the actual
responsibility for it really would be for the troops that were there.
Did they search carefully enough - didn't they search carefully
enough?'' Guiliani said on ``Today.''
All I can say is shame on Bush and company for trying to blame the troops
for Bush's ***** ups. Can his trying to shift the blame sink any lower?
George "I aint to blame, it's the troops fault" Bush
Don't think Bush ever attempted to put the blame on the troops, Kerry
sure did. However it appears the troops did just what they were supposed
to do.
Maj. Austin Pearson, speaking at a news conference at the Pentagon, said
his team removed 250 tons of TNT, plastic explosives, detonation cords
and white phosphorus rounds on April 13, 2003, 10 days after U.S. forces
first reached the Al-Qaqaa site.
Can Kerry and his lying sink any lower? He must really enjoy it down at
the bottom of the political and journalistic sewer pit with the likes of
CBS and Dan Blather.
You must have missed this:
"No matter how you try to blame it on the president, the actual
responsibility for it really would be for the troops that were there. Did
they search carefully enough -- didn't they search carefully enough?"
Guiliani said on "Today."
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| User: "Tom Betz" |
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| Title: Re: Rudy throws troops to the dogs to cover Bush's ***** |
29 Oct 2004 07:38:56 PM |
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Quoth Sir Cumference <me@this.moc> in news:JPqdnVgvoPQ_Oh_cRVn-tw@gbronline.com:
Maj. Austin Pearson, speaking at a news conference at the
Pentagon, said his team removed 250 tons of TNT, plastic
explosives, detonation cords and white phosphorus rounds on
April 13, 2003, 10 days after U.S. forces first reached the
Al-Qaqaa site.
April 13. That's nice. Why, then, did KSTP-TV videotape HMX and
RDX on April 18, 2003, with members of the 101st Airborne showing
them off, and now it's not there?
See <http://kstp.com/article/stories/S3723.html?cat=1>.
Direct link to the video for those who prefer not to use Internet Explorer:
<http://kstp.dayport.com/viewer/content/pecial.php?Art_ID=159660&Format_ID=2&BitRate_ID=8&Contract_ID=712&Obj_ID=3>
or <http://shorterlink.com/?JG3DTC>.
You will see troops from the 101st Airborne cutting locks on
bunkers on April 18, 2003.
Moreover, KSTP has found on its video tape one of IAEA's seals
sealing one of the bunkers.
<http://kstp.com/article/stories/S3741.html?cat=1>
This is proof that IAEA-sealed explosives were still in al Qaqaa
on April 18, 2003.
Further, David Kay, who is the weapons inspector that first
discovered this stuff there in 1991, has verified what they are.
From <http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0410/28/asb.01.html>:
[AARON] BROWN: OK, back to the explosives the who and when and the
how of it all but on the question of when, as we saw at the
top of the program, there is new information to factor in,
pretty conclusive to our eye.
So, we'll sort through this now, take the politics out of it
and try and deal with facts with former head U.N. weapons
inspector -- U.S. weapons inspector David Kay. David, it's
nice to see you.
DAVID KAY, FMR. U.S. WEAPONS INSPECTOR: Good to be with you,
Aaron.
BROWN: I don't know how better to do this than to show you
some pictures, have you explain to me what they are or are
not, OK? First, I'll just call it the seal and tell me if this
is an IAEA seal on that bunker at that munitions dump.
KAY: Aaron, as about as certain as I can be looking at a
picture, not physically holding it, which obviously I would
have preferred to have been there, that's an IAEA seal. I've
never seen anything else in Iraq in about 15 years of being in
Iraq and around Iraq that was other than an IAEA seal of that
shape.
BROWN: And was there anything else at the facility that would
have been under IAEA seal?
KAY: Absolutely nothing. It was he HMX, RDX, the two high
explosives.
BROWN: OK. Now, I want to take a look at the barrels here for
a second and you can tell me what they tell you. They
obviously to us just show us a bunch of barrels. You'll see it
somewhat differently.
KAY: Well, it's interesting. There were three foreign
suppliers to Iraq of this explosive in the 1980s. One of them
used barrels like this and inside the barrel is a bag. HMX is
in powdered form because you actually use it to shape a
spherical lens that is used to create the triggering device
for nuclear weapons.
And, particularly on the videotape, which is actually better
than the still photos, as the soldier dips into it that's
either HMX or RDX. I don't know of anything else in al Qa Qaa
that was in that form.
BROWN: Let me ask you then, David, the question I asked
Jamie. In regard to the dispute about whether that stuff was
there when the Americans arrived, is it game, set, match? Is
that part of the argument now over?
KAY: Well, at least with regard to this one bunker and the
film shows one seal, one bunker, one group of soldiers going
through and there were others there that were sealed, with
this one, I think it is game, set and match.
There was HMX, RDX in there. The seal was broken and quite
frankly to me the most frightening thing is not only is the
seal broken and the lock broken but the soldiers left after
opening it up. I mean to rephrase the so-called
[Pottery Barn] rule if you open an arms bunker, you own it.
You have to provide security.
BROWN: That raises a number of questions. Let me throw out
one. It suggests that maybe they just didn't know what they
had.
KAY: I think quite likely they didn't know they had HMX,
which speaks to the lack of intelligence given troops moving
through that area but they certainly knew they had explosives.
And to put this in context, I think it's important this loss
of 360 tons but Iraq is awash with tens of thousands of tons
of explosives right now in the hands of insurgents because we
did not provide the security when we took over the country.
BROWN: Could you -- I'm trying to stay out of the realm of
politics.
KAY: So am I. BROWN: I'm not sure you can necessarily. I
know. It's a little tricky here but is there any reason not to
have anticipated the fact that there would be bunkers like
this, explosives like this and a need to secure them?
KAY: Absolutely not. For example, al Qa Qaa was a site of
[Gerald Bull's] super gun project. It was a team of mine that
discovered the HMX originally in 1991. That was one of the
most well documented explosive sites in all of Iraq. The other
80 or so major ammunition storage points were also well
documented.
Iraq had, and it's a frightening number, two-thirds of the
total conventional explosives that the U.S. has in its entire
inventory. The country was an armed camp.
BROWN: David, as quickly as you can because this just came up
in the last hour, as dangerous as this stuff is, this would
not be described as a WMD, correct?
KAY: Oh, absolutely not.
BROWN: Thank you.
KAY: And, in fact, the loss of it is not a proliferation
issue.
BROWN: OK. It's just dangerous and it's out there and by your
thinking it should have been secured.
KAY: Well, look, it was used to bring the Pan Am flight down.
It's a very dangerous explosive, particularly in the hands of
terrorists.
BROWN: David, thank you for walking me through this. I
appreciate it, David Kay the former head U.S. weapons
inspector in Iraq.
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George Bush's War of Choice on Iraq is a totally unnecessary war.
Every life lost, every limb lost, every disfigurement, every
disability caused there is more blood on George W. Bush's hands,
and on the hands of everyone who votes for George W. Bush.
For the facts on Iraq, see <http://optruth.org>.
Feeling a draft? <http://shorterlink.com/?930B5U>
The more you know, the less likely you are to vote for George Bush.
<http://shorterlink.com/?47TBP8>
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| User: "Chris S." |
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| Title: Re: Rudy throws troops to the dogs to cover Bush's ***** |
31 Oct 2004 03:52:42 AM |
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Sir Cumference wrote:
Don't think Bush ever attempted to put the blame on the troops, Kerry
sure did.
"Kerry sure did"? How exactly? You sound righteous, yet fail to provide
proof, therefore sounding like a partisan hack.
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| User: "Erik A. Mattila" |
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| Title: Re: Rudy throws troops to the dogs to cover Bush's ***** |
29 Oct 2004 12:31:06 PM |
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eldorado wrote:
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Erik A. Mattila wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4581121,00.html
``As he has done over and over for the past four years, George Bush
refuses to step up and take responsibility,'' Edwards said. ``It is time
for him to step aside and that's exactly what's going to happen on
November the 2nd.''
Edwards seized on comments former New York City Mayor Rudy Guiliani made
on NBC's ``Today'' show Thursday in which he said the troops in Iraq,
not the president, bore the responsibility for searching for the explosives.
``No matter how you try to blame it on the president, the actual
responsibility for it really would be for the troops that were there.
Did they search carefully enough - didn't they search carefully
enough?'' Guiliani said on ``Today.''
All I can say is shame on Bush and company for trying to blame the troops
for Bush's ***** ups. Can his trying to shift the blame sink any lower?
George "I aint to blame, it's the troops fault" Bush
George "Just ask Rudy, he's a lot smartern' me" Bush
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