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"abelard" |
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29 Aug 2004 08:00:22 PM |
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rumsfeld appears cleared by report...but what is the balance of good? |
http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/pentagram/9_35/national_news/30826-1.html
"The chairman of the independent panel stressed, "there was no official
policy of abuse; quite the contrary. Senior officials repeatedly said that
in Iraq, Geneva regulations would apply."
Schlesinger said the resignation of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld,
"would be a boon to all of America's enemies." He then went on to praise
Rumsfeld for sanctioning an, "independent and objective analysis." of the
problem."
but sloppy organisation is also cited...>>>
"He then faulted commanders up to the brigade level directly for the lack
of supervision and complained of "indirect responsibility at higher
levels" because, "the weaknesses at Abu Ghraib were well known and that
corrective action could have been taken and should have been taken. We
believe there is institutional and personal responsibility right up the
chain of command as far as Washington is concerned." "
but the fossil press has different objectives......>>
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101040906-689468,00.html
"A report released last week places a share of the responsibility for the
mistreatment of inmates at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison on the shoulders of
U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. Though the report didn't single
him out by name or call for his resignation, it concludes that a
combination of too many prisoners and too few guards - as well as a
confusing chain of command - generated a climate ripe for trouble that the
Pentagon's leadership should have anticipated. In the report, Rumsfeld's
own specially appointed panel, headed by former Defense Secretary James
Schlesinger, blames Rumsfeld's lean and haphazard deployment orders for
overtaxing troops in Iraq. It points out that when the commander in charge
of Abu Ghraib, Brigadier General Janis Karpinski, said she needed more
forces, she was told to "'wear her stars' and reallocate personnel among
her over-stretched units." "
http://www.jsonline.com/news/editorials/aug04/254512.asp
"Two reports emanating from the Defense Department last week constitute a
powerful indictment of the failure by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld
and his top aides to prevent the abuses that occurred at Abu Ghraib and
other military prisons in Iraq and elsewhere. In fact, both reports assert
that a failure of leadership helped to create the conditions that led to
this scandal.
It is not enough that the atrocities should be documented, blame fixed,
apologies offered and corrective action taken; those responsible for what
happened at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere need to be held accountable for their
actions or their failure to act, no matter their rank. Otherwise, the
damage inflicted by this affair - on its victims and on this country's
reputation and moral standing around the world - will not be fully
healed."
regards...
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energy, education, politics, etc >800,000 document calls yearly
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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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| User: "Johnny Pollplummet" |
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| Title: Re: rumsfeld totally cleared by report...hate-filled Dems look STUPID again. |
29 Aug 2004 08:05:42 PM |
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"abelard" <abelard2@abelard.org> wrote in message
news:p4p4j098btmoqq0goknerulda8ndjn25i8@4ax.com...
http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/pentagram/9_35/national_news/30826-1.html
"The chairman of the independent panel stressed, "there was no official
policy of abuse; quite the contrary. Senior officials repeatedly said that
in Iraq, Geneva regulations would apply."
Schlesinger said the resignation of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld,
"would be a boon to all of America's enemies." He then went on to praise
Rumsfeld for sanctioning an, "independent and objective analysis." of the
problem."
but sloppy organisation is also cited...>>>
"He then faulted commanders up to the brigade level directly for the lack
of supervision and complained of "indirect responsibility at higher
levels" because, "the weaknesses at Abu Ghraib were well known and that
corrective action could have been taken and should have been taken. We
believe there is institutional and personal responsibility right up the
chain of command as far as Washington is concerned." "
but the fossil press has different objectives......>>
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101040906-689468,00.html
"A report released last week places a share of the responsibility for the
mistreatment of inmates at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison on the shoulders of
U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. Though the report didn't single
him out by name or call for his resignation, it concludes that a
combination of too many prisoners and too few guards - as well as a
confusing chain of command - generated a climate ripe for trouble that the
Pentagon's leadership should have anticipated. In the report, Rumsfeld's
own specially appointed panel, headed by former Defense Secretary James
Schlesinger, blames Rumsfeld's lean and haphazard deployment orders for
overtaxing troops in Iraq. It points out that when the commander in charge
of Abu Ghraib, Brigadier General Janis Karpinski, said she needed more
forces, she was told to "'wear her stars' and reallocate personnel among
her over-stretched units." "
http://www.jsonline.com/news/editorials/aug04/254512.asp
"Two reports emanating from the Defense Department last week constitute a
powerful indictment of the failure by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld
and his top aides to prevent the abuses that occurred at Abu Ghraib and
other military prisons in Iraq and elsewhere. In fact, both reports assert
that a failure of leadership helped to create the conditions that led to
this scandal.
It is not enough that the atrocities should be documented, blame fixed,
apologies offered and corrective action taken; those responsible for what
happened at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere need to be held accountable for their
actions or their failure to act, no matter their rank. Otherwise, the
damage inflicted by this affair - on its victims and on this country's
reputation and moral standing around the world - will not be fully
healed."
regards...
Kerry and his followers are attempting to urinate on America and her vets.
Judging by Kerry's latest poll numbers, America is kicking Kerry in his
Demmie balls while he tries to pull that off.....
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| User: "NotBush2004" |
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| Title: Nothing hate-filled about it. | Re: rumsfeld totally cleared by report...hate-filled Dems look STUPID again. |
29 Aug 2004 08:17:02 PM |
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"Johnny Pollplummet" <Kerry?NoThankYou!@KeepAmericaStrong.com> wrote in
message news:G3vYc.6684$6o3.5976@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
"abelard" <abelard2@abelard.org> wrote in message
news:p4p4j098btmoqq0goknerulda8ndjn25i8@4ax.com...
http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/pentagram/9_35/national_news/30826-1.html
"The chairman of the independent panel stressed, "there was no official
policy of abuse; quite the contrary. Senior officials repeatedly said
that
in Iraq, Geneva regulations would apply."
Schlesinger said the resignation of Secretary of Defense Donald
Rumsfeld,
"would be a boon to all of America's enemies." He then went on to praise
Rumsfeld for sanctioning an, "independent and objective analysis." of
the
problem."
but sloppy organisation is also cited...>>>
"He then faulted commanders up to the brigade level directly for the
lack
of supervision and complained of "indirect responsibility at higher
levels" because, "the weaknesses at Abu Ghraib were well known and that
corrective action could have been taken and should have been taken. We
believe there is institutional and personal responsibility right up the
chain of command as far as Washington is concerned." "
but the fossil press has different objectives......>>
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101040906-689468,00.html
"A report released last week places a share of the responsibility for
the
mistreatment of inmates at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison on the shoulders of
U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. Though the report didn't
single
him out by name or call for his resignation, it concludes that a
combination of too many prisoners and too few guards - as well as a
confusing chain of command - generated a climate ripe for trouble that
the
Pentagon's leadership should have anticipated. In the report, Rumsfeld's
own specially appointed panel, headed by former Defense Secretary James
Schlesinger, blames Rumsfeld's lean and haphazard deployment orders for
overtaxing troops in Iraq. It points out that when the commander in
charge
of Abu Ghraib, Brigadier General Janis Karpinski, said she needed more
forces, she was told to "'wear her stars' and reallocate personnel among
her over-stretched units." "
http://www.jsonline.com/news/editorials/aug04/254512.asp
"Two reports emanating from the Defense Department last week constitute
a
powerful indictment of the failure by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld
and his top aides to prevent the abuses that occurred at Abu Ghraib and
other military prisons in Iraq and elsewhere. In fact, both reports
assert
that a failure of leadership helped to create the conditions that led to
this scandal.
It is not enough that the atrocities should be documented, blame fixed,
apologies offered and corrective action taken; those responsible for
what
happened at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere need to be held accountable for
their
actions or their failure to act, no matter their rank. Otherwise, the
damage inflicted by this affair - on its victims and on this country's
reputation and moral standing around the world - will not be fully
healed."
regards...
Kerry and his followers are attempting to urinate on America and her vets.
Judging by Kerry's latest poll numbers, America is kicking Kerry in his
Demmie balls while he tries to pull that off.....
It is evident that Rumsfeld and Co. are screwing the soldiers in the field
by attempting to pin the Abu Ghraib abuses on them. If Americans like being
fed lies they will vote for Bush/Cheney. If they want the truth they will
vote for Kerry/Edwards. It's really that simple.
--
They Knew...
Despite the whitewash, we now know that the Bush administration was warned
before the war that its Iraq claims were weak
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
--
Can you help provide the military records that prove Lt. George W. Bush
completed his military commitment?
This is an issue of much greater significance than
nitpicking Kerry's military record, which he actually earned in combat in
Viet Nam. Using all available records, except for Bush's unsupported
'honorable discharge' one can only conclude Bush was AWOL and/or a deserter
during war time.
So do your patriotic duty for your "war president" and prove he hasn't sent
thousands of men and women to be injured or killed in Iraq while avoiding
fighting in Viet Nam himself and then apparently going AWOL.
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| User: "Thom" |
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| Title: Re: rumsfeld totally cleared by report...hate-filled Dems look STUPID again. |
29 Aug 2004 08:51:45 PM |
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 01:05:42 GMT, "Johnny Pollplummet"
<Kerry?NoThankYou!@KeepAmericaStrong.com> wrote:
"abelard" <abelard2@abelard.org> wrote in message
news:p4p4j098btmoqq0goknerulda8ndjn25i8@4ax.com...
http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/pentagram/9_35/national_news/30826-1.html
"The chairman of the independent panel stressed, "there was no official
policy of abuse; quite the contrary. Senior officials repeatedly said that
in Iraq, Geneva regulations would apply."
Schlesinger said the resignation of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld,
"would be a boon to all of America's enemies." He then went on to praise
Rumsfeld for sanctioning an, "independent and objective analysis." of the
problem."
but sloppy organisation is also cited...>>>
"He then faulted commanders up to the brigade level directly for the lack
of supervision and complained of "indirect responsibility at higher
levels" because, "the weaknesses at Abu Ghraib were well known and that
corrective action could have been taken and should have been taken. We
believe there is institutional and personal responsibility right up the
chain of command as far as Washington is concerned." "
but the fossil press has different objectives......>>
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101040906-689468,00.html
"A report released last week places a share of the responsibility for the
mistreatment of inmates at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison on the shoulders of
U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. Though the report didn't single
him out by name or call for his resignation, it concludes that a
combination of too many prisoners and too few guards - as well as a
confusing chain of command - generated a climate ripe for trouble that the
Pentagon's leadership should have anticipated. In the report, Rumsfeld's
own specially appointed panel, headed by former Defense Secretary James
Schlesinger, blames Rumsfeld's lean and haphazard deployment orders for
overtaxing troops in Iraq. It points out that when the commander in charge
of Abu Ghraib, Brigadier General Janis Karpinski, said she needed more
forces, she was told to "'wear her stars' and reallocate personnel among
her over-stretched units." "
http://www.jsonline.com/news/editorials/aug04/254512.asp
"Two reports emanating from the Defense Department last week constitute a
powerful indictment of the failure by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld
and his top aides to prevent the abuses that occurred at Abu Ghraib and
other military prisons in Iraq and elsewhere. In fact, both reports assert
that a failure of leadership helped to create the conditions that led to
this scandal.
It is not enough that the atrocities should be documented, blame fixed,
apologies offered and corrective action taken; those responsible for what
happened at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere need to be held accountable for their
actions or their failure to act, no matter their rank. Otherwise, the
damage inflicted by this affair - on its victims and on this country's
reputation and moral standing around the world - will not be fully
healed."
regards...
Kerry and his followers are attempting to urinate on America and her vets.
Judging by Kerry's latest poll numbers, America is kicking Kerry in his
Demmie balls while he tries to pull that off.....
spoken like a true american Tory, better hurry up and get dressed,
you'll miss the opening matches of the republican "Bill of Rights
Burning Party" tonight.
THOM
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| User: "NotBush2004" |
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| Title: A panel Rumsfeld put together. | Re: rumsfeld appears cleared by report...but what is the balance of good? |
29 Aug 2004 08:05:03 PM |
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Can you say White Wash?
It is clearly ridiculous stating the U.S. wouldn't benefit from Rumsfeld
being fired or resigning. It would prove to the world, especially Muslim
countries, that we take the Abu Ghraib abuses seriously instead of trying to
pin it on the grunts at the bottom.
--
They Knew...
Despite the whitewash, we now know that the Bush administration was warned
before the war that its Iraq claims were weak
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
"abelard" <abelard2@abelard.org> wrote in message
news:p4p4j098btmoqq0goknerulda8ndjn25i8@4ax.com...
http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/pentagram/9_35/national_news/30826-1.html
"The chairman of the independent panel stressed, "there was no official
policy of abuse; quite the contrary. Senior officials repeatedly said that
in Iraq, Geneva regulations would apply."
Schlesinger said the resignation of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld,
"would be a boon to all of America's enemies." He then went on to praise
Rumsfeld for sanctioning an, "independent and objective analysis." of the
problem."
but sloppy organisation is also cited...>>>
"He then faulted commanders up to the brigade level directly for the lack
of supervision and complained of "indirect responsibility at higher
levels" because, "the weaknesses at Abu Ghraib were well known and that
corrective action could have been taken and should have been taken. We
believe there is institutional and personal responsibility right up the
chain of command as far as Washington is concerned." "
but the fossil press has different objectives......>>
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101040906-689468,00.html
"A report released last week places a share of the responsibility for the
mistreatment of inmates at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison on the shoulders of
U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. Though the report didn't single
him out by name or call for his resignation, it concludes that a
combination of too many prisoners and too few guards - as well as a
confusing chain of command - generated a climate ripe for trouble that the
Pentagon's leadership should have anticipated. In the report, Rumsfeld's
own specially appointed panel, headed by former Defense Secretary James
Schlesinger, blames Rumsfeld's lean and haphazard deployment orders for
overtaxing troops in Iraq. It points out that when the commander in charge
of Abu Ghraib, Brigadier General Janis Karpinski, said she needed more
forces, she was told to "'wear her stars' and reallocate personnel among
her over-stretched units." "
http://www.jsonline.com/news/editorials/aug04/254512.asp
"Two reports emanating from the Defense Department last week constitute a
powerful indictment of the failure by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld
and his top aides to prevent the abuses that occurred at Abu Ghraib and
other military prisons in Iraq and elsewhere. In fact, both reports assert
that a failure of leadership helped to create the conditions that led to
this scandal.
It is not enough that the atrocities should be documented, blame fixed,
apologies offered and corrective action taken; those responsible for what
happened at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere need to be held accountable for their
actions or their failure to act, no matter their rank. Otherwise, the
damage inflicted by this affair - on its victims and on this country's
reputation and moral standing around the world - will not be fully
healed."
regards...
--
web site at www.abelard.org - news and comment service, logic,
energy, education, politics, etc >800,000 document calls yearly
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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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| User: "Luther Mahoney" |
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| Title: Re: rumsfeld appears cleared by report...but what is the balance of good? |
29 Aug 2004 08:49:37 PM |
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Canadian newsgroup. Rumsfeld is irrelevant. Why not post this rubbish in a
Mexican politics newsgroup?
I hear that Bush wants to grant the illegals residencey.
Vote for Bush if you want Mexican illegals to live and thrive in your midst. Just
don't post irrelevant Yankee ***** in can.politics.
Thank you. Now screw off.
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| User: "abelard" |
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| Title: Re: rumsfeld appears cleared by report...but what is the balance of good? |
29 Aug 2004 10:12:45 PM |
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On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:49:37 -0400, "Luther Mahoney"
<lmahoney95@excite.com>
typed:
Canadian newsgroup. Rumsfeld is irrelevant.
post doesn't reach canada eh!
Why not post this rubbish in a
Mexican politics newsgroup?
I hear that Bush wants to grant the illegals residencey.
Vote for Bush if you want Mexican illegals to live and thrive in your midst.
what about the canadian illegals?
Just
don't post irrelevant Yankee ***** in can.politics.
Thank you. Now screw off.
are all canadians as dumb as you.....nah...can't be....
but you're probably correct...the canadian group should not be
there....too much of an irrelevant backwater so i've heard...
--
web site at www.abelard.org - news and comment service, logic,
energy, education, politics, etc >800,000 document calls yearly
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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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| User: "" |
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30 Aug 2004 02:35:55 AM |
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 05:12:45 +0200, abelard <abelard2@abelard.org>
wrote:
are all canadians as dumb as you.....nah...can't be....
but you're probably correct...the canadian group should not be
there....too much of an irrelevant backwater so i've heard...
Joe, please note the small provocation needed, before the subject
needlessly strikes out.
JRP
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30 Aug 2004 03:21:28 AM |
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 03:00:22 +0200, abelard <abelard2@abelard.org>
wrote:
http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/pentagram/9_35/national_news/30826-1.html
"The chairman of the independent panel stressed, "there was no official
policy of abuse; quite the contrary. Senior officials repeatedly said that
in Iraq, Geneva regulations would apply."
Schlesinger said the resignation of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld,
"would be a boon to all of America's enemies." He then went on to praise
Rumsfeld for sanctioning an, "independent and objective analysis." of the
problem."
but sloppy organisation is also cited...>>>
"He then faulted commanders up to the brigade level directly for the lack
of supervision and complained of "indirect responsibility at higher
levels" because, "the weaknesses at Abu Ghraib were well known and that
corrective action could have been taken and should have been taken. We
believe there is institutional and personal responsibility right up the
chain of command as far as Washington is concerned." "
Which seems likely. High pressure for results and little effort to
safeguard ethics is Enron-like. Enron had a values statement (Geneva
regulations) but nobody took any notice because the lead from the top
was in another direction
--
cheers
www.libraryofalex.com
Wherever book may be burned, men also, in the end, are burned
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| User: "abelard" |
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| Title: Re: rumsfeld appears cleared by report...but what is the balance of good? |
30 Aug 2004 08:24:50 AM |
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:21:28 +0000 (UTC),
libraryofalex@*nospam*btinternet.com
typed:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 03:00:22 +0200, abelard <abelard2@abelard.org>
wrote:
http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/pentagram/9_35/national_news/30826-1.html
"The chairman of the independent panel stressed, "there was no official
policy of abuse; quite the contrary. Senior officials repeatedly said that
in Iraq, Geneva regulations would apply."
Schlesinger said the resignation of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld,
"would be a boon to all of America's enemies." He then went on to praise
Rumsfeld for sanctioning an, "independent and objective analysis." of the
problem."
but sloppy organisation is also cited...>>>
"He then faulted commanders up to the brigade level directly for the lack
of supervision and complained of "indirect responsibility at higher
levels" because, "the weaknesses at Abu Ghraib were well known and that
corrective action could have been taken and should have been taken. We
believe there is institutional and personal responsibility right up the
chain of command as far as Washington is concerned." "
Which seems likely. High pressure for results and little effort to
safeguard ethics is Enron-like. Enron had a values statement (Geneva
regulations) but nobody took any notice because the lead from the top
was in another direction
yes...i wonder how interesting this will get...or whether it will
just fade...
regards...
--
web site at www.abelard.org - news and comment service, logic,
energy, education, politics, etc >800,000 document calls yearly
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: rumsfeld appears cleared by report...but what is the balance of good? |
30 Aug 2004 09:12:57 AM |
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:24:50 +0200, abelard <abelard2@abelard.org>
wrote:
"He then faulted commanders up to the brigade level directly for the lack
of supervision and complained of "indirect responsibility at higher
levels" because, "the weaknesses at Abu Ghraib were well known and that
corrective action could have been taken and should have been taken. We
believe there is institutional and personal responsibility right up the
chain of command as far as Washington is concerned." "
Which seems likely. High pressure for results and little effort to
safeguard ethics is Enron-like. Enron had a values statement (Geneva
regulations) but nobody took any notice because the lead from the top
was in another direction
yes...i wonder how interesting this will get...or whether it will
just fade...
It appears from the Swift Boat Veterans that the Republicans control
the media agenda. It will fade
--
cheers
www.libraryofalex.com
Wherever book may be burned, men also, in the end, are burned
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| User: "abelard" |
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| Title: Re: rumsfeld appears cleared by report...but what is the balance of good? |
30 Aug 2004 09:33:45 AM |
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:12:57 +0000 (UTC),
libraryofalex@*nospam*btinternet.com
typed:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:24:50 +0200, abelard <abelard2@abelard.org>
wrote:
"He then faulted commanders up to the brigade level directly for the lack
of supervision and complained of "indirect responsibility at higher
levels" because, "the weaknesses at Abu Ghraib were well known and that
corrective action could have been taken and should have been taken. We
believe there is institutional and personal responsibility right up the
chain of command as far as Washington is concerned." "
Which seems likely. High pressure for results and little effort to
safeguard ethics is Enron-like. Enron had a values statement (Geneva
regulations) but nobody took any notice because the lead from the top
was in another direction
yes...i wonder how interesting this will get...or whether it will
just fade...
It appears from the Swift Boat Veterans that the Republicans control
the media agenda. It will fade
there is a *lot* of current discussion on the way that is going...
eg here is sommat of a summary by your favourite author
http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php?table=old§ion=current&issue=2004-08-28&id=4943
also claim and counter claims abound...even in the so-called polls....
regards....
--
web site at www.abelard.org - news and comment service, logic,
energy, education, politics, etc >800,000 document calls yearly
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: rumsfeld appears cleared by report...but what is the balance of good? |
30 Aug 2004 10:21:21 AM |
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 16:33:45 +0200, abelard <abelard2@abelard.org>
wrote:
Which seems likely. High pressure for results and little effort to
safeguard ethics is Enron-like. Enron had a values statement (Geneva
regulations) but nobody took any notice because the lead from the top
was in another direction
yes...i wonder how interesting this will get...or whether it will
just fade...
It appears from the Swift Boat Veterans that the Republicans control
the media agenda. It will fade
there is a *lot* of current discussion on the way that is going...
eg here is sommat of a summary by your favourite author
http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php?table=old§ion=current&issue=2004-08-28&id=4943
also claim and counter claims abound...even in the so-called polls....
Sure. But this is an argument between a bemedalled war veteran and a
draft dodger.
How could Kerry lose?
--
cheers
www.libraryofalex.com
Wherever book may be burned, men also, in the end, are burned
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| User: "abelard" |
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| Title: Re: rumsfeld appears cleared by report...but what is the balance of good? |
30 Aug 2004 10:56:54 AM |
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:21:21 +0000 (UTC),
libraryofalex@*nospam*btinternet.com
typed:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 16:33:45 +0200, abelard <abelard2@abelard.org>
wrote:
Which seems likely. High pressure for results and little effort to
safeguard ethics is Enron-like. Enron had a values statement (Geneva
regulations) but nobody took any notice because the lead from the top
was in another direction
yes...i wonder how interesting this will get...or whether it will
just fade...
It appears from the Swift Boat Veterans that the Republicans control
the media agenda. It will fade
there is a *lot* of current discussion on the way that is going...
eg here is sommat of a summary by your favourite author
http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php?table=old§ion=current&issue=2004-08-28&id=4943
also claim and counter claims abound...even in the so-called polls....
Sure. But this is an argument between a bemedalled war veteran and a
draft dodger.
How could Kerry lose?
part of the argument is by over stressing it...
another part is on his previous alleged half hearted support of
military or 'security'
are you watching this
http://128.255.244.60/graphs/graph_Pres04_WTA.cfm
regards...
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30 Aug 2004 10:59:35 AM |
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It is another huge embarrassment for the donkey Democrats. They attempted
to blame Rumsfeld for the isolated instance of sexual humiliation that
occurred in the prison, but the report TOTALLY exhonerated Rumsfeld!
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30 Aug 2004 01:07:50 PM |
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:56:54 +0200, abelard <abelard2@abelard.org>
wrote:
Sure. But this is an argument between a bemedalled war veteran and a
draft dodger.
How could Kerry lose?
part of the argument is by over stressing it...
another part is on his previous alleged half hearted support of
military or 'security'
are you watching this
http://128.255.244.60/graphs/graph_Pres04_WTA.cfm
No, but I'm aware of it. I expect Bush to win, though I do not wish
this to happen
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Wherever book may be burned, men also, in the end, are burned
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30 Aug 2004 03:51:06 PM |
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:07:50 +0000 (UTC),
libraryofalex@*nospam*btinternet.com
typed:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:56:54 +0200, abelard <abelard2@abelard.org>
wrote:
Sure. But this is an argument between a bemedalled war veteran and a
draft dodger.
How could Kerry lose?
part of the argument is by over stressing it...
another part is on his previous alleged half hearted support of
military or 'security'
are you watching this
http://128.255.244.60/graphs/graph_Pres04_WTA.cfm
No, but I'm aware of it. I expect Bush to win, though I do not wish
this to happen
life is apparently hard....
with the new usa gov't report i wonder whether bush will now start to talk
more sense on energy....
http://www.allahpundit.com/archives/000758.html
"When it's all over, just how many new Republicans will these people have
created?"
http://www.communistsforkerry.com/
regards...
--
web site at www.abelard.org - news and comment service, logic,
energy, education, politics, etc >800,000 document calls yearly
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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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| User: "jenn" |
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| Title: Re: rumsfeld appears cleared by report...but what is the balanceof good? |
30 Aug 2004 04:33:55 PM |
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abelard wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:07:50 +0000 (UTC),
libraryofalex@*nospam*btinternet.com
typed:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:56:54 +0200, abelard <abelard2@abelard.org>
wrote:
Sure. But this is an argument between a bemedalled war veteran and a
draft dodger.
How could Kerry lose?
part of the argument is by over stressing it...
another part is on his previous alleged half hearted support of
military or 'security'
are you watching this
http://128.255.244.60/graphs/graph_Pres04_WTA.cfm
No, but I'm aware of it. I expect Bush to win, though I do not wish
this to happen
life is apparently hard....
with the new usa gov't report i wonder whether bush will now start to talk
more sense on energy....
bush has never had a problem solving interest -- he is only interested
in using whatever an issue is to drive his same self serving 'put tax
dollars iin my pocket ' mantra --
if I didn't have kids who have to live in this world he is creating, I
would be laughing as the people supporting him will be the ones most
throughly screwed over in the next 50 years -- it will be their children
dying and their children working like third world peasants --
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| User: "Johnny Pollplummet" |
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| Title: Re: Rumsfeld TOTALLY cleared by report...liberals left with egg on face AGAIN! |
30 Aug 2004 05:05:42 PM |
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"jenn" <jenn@hmplce.com> wrote in message
news:ch06fd$hd4$3@news.vanderbilt.edu...
if I didn't have kids who have to live in this world he is creating, I
would be laughing as the people supporting him will be the ones most
throughly screwed over in the next 50 years -- it will be their children
dying and their children working like third world peasants --
The children dying - millions and millions of 'em - are the little one in
the wombs of the pro-abortion Democrats!
Even the morally-deranged John Kerry recognizes that human life begins at
conception! Kerry's problem is he actually believes it is "morally
acceptable" to SLAUGHTER that innocent human life in the womb, to KILL those
children if their mothers or fathers find them in any way burdensome to
their Democrat Party lifestyle.
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| User: "abelard" |
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30 Aug 2004 04:53:58 PM |
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 16:33:55 -0500, jenn <jenn@hmplce.com>
typed:
abelard wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:07:50 +0000 (UTC),
libraryofalex@*nospam*btinternet.com
typed:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:56:54 +0200, abelard <abelard2@abelard.org>
wrote:
Sure. But this is an argument between a bemedalled war veteran and a
draft dodger.
How could Kerry lose?
part of the argument is by over stressing it...
another part is on his previous alleged half hearted support of
military or 'security'
are you watching this
http://128.255.244.60/graphs/graph_Pres04_WTA.cfm
No, but I'm aware of it. I expect Bush to win, though I do not wish
this to happen
life is apparently hard....
with the new usa gov't report i wonder whether bush will now start to talk
more sense on energy....
bush has never had a problem solving interest -- he is only interested
in using whatever an issue is to drive his same self serving 'put tax
dollars iin my pocket ' mantra --
i have no interest in pretending to discuss things with would-be mind
readers...
if I didn't have kids who have to live in this world he is creating, I
would be laughing as the people supporting him will be the ones most
throughly screwed over in the next 50 years -- it will be their children
dying and their children working like third world peasants --
--
web site at www.abelard.org - news and comment service, logic,
energy, education, politics, etc >800,000 document calls yearly
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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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