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Topic: Politics > Politics-USA
User: "Tuttles Almanac"
Date: 10 Mar 2006 06:59:01 AM
Object: Rumsfeld Waffles on US Role in Iraq Civil War
Rumsfeld: Civil War not [his fault]
http://www.sltrib.com/nationworld/ci_3588065
Associated Press
WASHINGTON - Dealing with a civil war in Iraq
would be the responsibility of Iraq's own security forces,
at least initially, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld
told Congress on Thursday.

Gen. John Abizaid, the top U.S. commander in the Middle East,
said the situation in Iraq had worsened to the point where
Sunni-Shiite violence was more of a threat to U.S. success
there than the insurgency, which continues taking a deadly toll
on Iraqi and American troops, and to impede stabilizing the country.
"The plan is to prevent a civil war, and to the extent
one were to occur, to have the - from a security standpoint -
have the Iraqi security forces deal with it, to the extent
they are able to," Rumsfeld told the committee.

"Obviously, it's not realistic to depend on the Iraqi security forces,
which are not yet able to fight on their own," Kennedy said.
"So, Secretary Rumsfeld is basically saying that if the prevention
strategy fails and Iraq plunges into civil war, U.S. troops will
inevitably be deeply involved."

The U.S. death toll since the start of the war in March 2003
exceeds 2,300, in addition to more than 17,000 wounded.
________________________________________________
Bush Military Bird Flu Role Slammed:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/05/bush.reax/
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A call by President George W. Bush for
Congress to give him the power to use the military in law enforcement
roles in the event of a bird flu pandemic has been criticized as akin to
introducing martial law.
The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 bans the military from participating in
police-type activity on U.S. soil.
Bush began discussing the possibility of changing the law banning
the military from participating in police-type activity last month,
in the aftermath of the government's sluggish response to civil unrest
following Hurricane Katrina.
"Lessons learned":
"If you find yourself in a hole,
the first thing to do is stop digging."
"If you get to thinkin' you're a person of
some influence, try orderin' somebody
else's dog around."
"Never kick a cow chip on a hot day."
- Cowboy Proverbs
.

User: "Taylor"

Title: Re: Rumsfeld Waffles on US Role in Iraq Civil War 10 Mar 2006 09:00:12 AM
"Tuttle's Almanac" <Harry.Tuttle@brazil.plumbing.gov> wrote in message
news:1212u0lcle492a8@corp.supernews.com...

Rumsfeld: Civil War not [his fault]
http://www.sltrib.com/nationworld/ci_3588065
Associated Press

WASHINGTON - Dealing with a civil war in Iraq
would be the responsibility of Iraq's own security forces,
at least initially, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld
told Congress on Thursday.

Gen. John Abizaid, the top U.S. commander in the Middle East,
said the situation in Iraq had worsened to the point where
Sunni-Shiite violence was more of a threat to U.S. success
there than the insurgency, which continues taking a deadly toll
on Iraqi and American troops, and to impede stabilizing the country.

"The plan is to prevent a civil war, and to the extent
one were to occur, to have the - from a security standpoint -
have the Iraqi security forces deal with it, to the extent
they are able to," Rumsfeld told the committee.

"Obviously, it's not realistic to depend on the Iraqi security forces,
which are not yet able to fight on their own," Kennedy said.
"So, Secretary Rumsfeld is basically saying that if the prevention
strategy fails and Iraq plunges into civil war, U.S. troops will
inevitably be deeply involved."

The U.S. death toll since the start of the war in March 2003
exceeds 2,300, in addition to more than 17,000 wounded.
________________________________________________

Bush Military Bird Flu Role Slammed:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/05/bush.reax/

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A call by President George W. Bush for
Congress to give him the power to use the military in law enforcement
roles in the event of a bird flu pandemic has been criticized as akin to
introducing martial law.

The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 bans the military from participating in
police-type activity on U.S. soil.

Bush began discussing the possibility of changing the law banning
the military from participating in police-type activity last month,
in the aftermath of the government's sluggish response to civil unrest
following Hurricane Katrina.

"Lessons learned":

"If you find yourself in a hole,
the first thing to do is stop digging."

"If you get to thinkin' you're a person of
some influence, try orderin' somebody
else's dog around."

"Never kick a cow chip on a hot day."

- Cowboy Proverbs



The "big lie" in action. If we call it "civil war" long enough, the
American public just might believe it.
.
User: "Percussion Instruments"

Title: Re: Rumsfeld Waffles on US Role in Iraq Civil War 10 Mar 2006 09:48:59 AM
Re: Rumsfeld Waffles on US Role in Iraq Civil War
alt.politics.republicans, alt.impeach.bush, alt.politics.usa, alt.politics.democrats.d, alt.politics.usa.republican, alt.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics
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Taylor wrote:


"Tuttle's Almanac" <Harry.Tuttle@brazil.plumbing.gov> wrote in message
news:1212u0lcle492a8@corp.supernews.com...

Rumsfeld: Civil War not [his fault]
http://www.sltrib.com/nationworld/ci_3588065
Associated Press

WASHINGTON - Dealing with a civil war in Iraq
would be the responsibility of Iraq's own security forces,
at least initially, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld
told Congress on Thursday.

Gen. John Abizaid, the top U.S. commander in the Middle East,
said the situation in Iraq had worsened to the point where
Sunni-Shiite violence was more of a threat to U.S. success
there than the insurgency, which continues taking a deadly toll
on Iraqi and American troops, and to impede stabilizing the country.

"The plan is to prevent a civil war, and to the extent
one were to occur, to have the - from a security standpoint -
have the Iraqi security forces deal with it, to the extent
they are able to," Rumsfeld told the committee.

"Obviously, it's not realistic to depend on the Iraqi security forces,
which are not yet able to fight on their own," Kennedy said.
"So, Secretary Rumsfeld is basically saying that if the prevention
strategy fails and Iraq plunges into civil war, U.S. troops will
inevitably be deeply involved."

The U.S. death toll since the start of the war in March 2003
exceeds 2,300, in addition to more than 17,000 wounded.
________________________________________________

Bush Military Bird Flu Role Slammed:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/05/bush.reax/

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A call by President George W. Bush for
Congress to give him the power to use the military in law enforcement
roles in the event of a bird flu pandemic has been criticized as akin to
introducing martial law.

The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 bans the military from participating in
police-type activity on U.S. soil.

Bush began discussing the possibility of changing the law banning
the military from participating in police-type activity last month,
in the aftermath of the government's sluggish response to civil unrest
following Hurricane Katrina.

"Lessons learned":

"If you find yourself in a hole,
the first thing to do is stop digging."

"If you get to thinkin' you're a person of
some influence, try orderin' somebody
else's dog around."

"Never kick a cow chip on a hot day."

- Cowboy Proverbs




The "big lie" in action. If we call it "civil war" long enough, the
American public just might believe it.

Yeah, maybe we'll find WMDs there too.
Which to you think is more likely?
Isn't that what a global free market economy is all about,
people guessing what other people are guessing?
Bush makes it all seem so easy:
"Tribal sovereignty means that... it's sovereign,
You're a .. you're a ... you've been given sovereignty
and you're viewed as a sovereign entity,"
- Bush Junior
.
User: "Genaro"

Title: Re: Rumsfeld Waffles on US Role in Iraq Civil War 10 Mar 2006 06:18:30 PM
Percussion Instruments <anthrax@globalization.gov> wrote in
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Re: Rumsfeld Waffles on US Role in Iraq Civil War

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Taylor wrote:


"Tuttle's Almanac" <Harry.Tuttle@brazil.plumbing.gov> wrote in
message news:1212u0lcle492a8@corp.supernews.com...

Rumsfeld: Civil War not [his fault]
http://www.sltrib.com/nationworld/ci_3588065
Associated Press

WASHINGTON - Dealing with a civil war in Iraq
would be the responsibility of Iraq's own security forces,
at least initially, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld
told Congress on Thursday.

Gen. John Abizaid, the top U.S. commander in the Middle East,
said the situation in Iraq had worsened to the point where
Sunni-Shiite violence was more of a threat to U.S. success
there than the insurgency, which continues taking a deadly toll
on Iraqi and American troops, and to impede stabilizing the
country.

"The plan is to prevent a civil war, and to the extent
one were to occur, to have the - from a security standpoint -
have the Iraqi security forces deal with it, to the extent
they are able to," Rumsfeld told the committee.

"Obviously, it's not realistic to depend on the Iraqi security
forces, which are not yet able to fight on their own," Kennedy
said. "So, Secretary Rumsfeld is basically saying that if the
prevention strategy fails and Iraq plunges into civil war, U.S.
troops will inevitably be deeply involved."

The U.S. death toll since the start of the war in March 2003
exceeds 2,300, in addition to more than 17,000 wounded.
________________________________________________

Bush Military Bird Flu Role Slammed:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/05/bush.reax/

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A call by President George W. Bush for
Congress to give him the power to use the military in law
enforcement roles in the event of a bird flu pandemic has been
criticized as akin to introducing martial law.

The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 bans the military from
participating in police-type activity on U.S. soil.

Bush began discussing the possibility of changing the law banning
the military from participating in police-type activity last month,
in the aftermath of the government's sluggish response to civil
unrest following Hurricane Katrina.

"Lessons learned":

"If you find yourself in a hole,
the first thing to do is stop digging."

"If you get to thinkin' you're a person of
some influence, try orderin' somebody
else's dog around."

"Never kick a cow chip on a hot day."

- Cowboy Proverbs




The "big lie" in action. If we call it "civil war" long enough, the
American public just might believe it.


Yeah, maybe we'll find WMDs there too.
Which to you think is more likely?

--------------------
Depends on how you look at it. If you're in it to win, helping Iraq
become a strong, democratic ally seems more likely. Finding WMD would be
the topping on the cake. If you've already given up, then civil war is
right around the corner. If you are losing 21 to 7 in the opening minutes
of the 4th quarter, do you take the ball and go home? Same principle
applies. Keep in mind that a strong democratic Iraq between Iran and
Syria would benefit the U.S. immensely in the terror war.
Genaro--------------
Isn't that what a global free market economy is all about,

people guessing what other people are guessing?
Bush makes it all seem so easy:

"Tribal sovereignty means that... it's sovereign,
You're a .. you're a ... you've been given sovereignty
and you're viewed as a sovereign entity,"

- Bush Junior

.



User: "Genaro"

Title: Re: Rumsfeld Waffles on US Role in Iraq Civil War 10 Mar 2006 08:01:17 AM
Tuttle's Almanac <Harry.Tuttle@brazil.plumbing.gov> wrote in
news:1212u0lcle492a8@corp.supernews.com:

Rumsfeld: Civil War not [his fault]
http://www.sltrib.com/nationworld/ci_3588065
Associated Press

WASHINGTON - Dealing with a civil war in Iraq
would be the responsibility of Iraq's own security forces,
at least initially, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld
told Congress on Thursday.

Gen. John Abizaid, the top U.S. commander in the Middle East,
said the situation in Iraq had worsened to the point where
Sunni-Shiite violence was more of a threat to U.S. success
there than the insurgency, which continues taking a deadly toll
on Iraqi and American troops, and to impede stabilizing the country.

"The plan is to prevent a civil war, and to the extent
one were to occur, to have the - from a security standpoint -
have the Iraqi security forces deal with it, to the extent
they are able to," Rumsfeld told the committee.

"Obviously, it's not realistic to depend on the Iraqi security forces,
which are not yet able to fight on their own," Kennedy said.
"So, Secretary Rumsfeld is basically saying that if the prevention
strategy fails and Iraq plunges into civil war, U.S. troops will
inevitably be deeply involved."

----------------
Interesting choice of words by Ted "the swimmer" Kennedy.. "U.S. troops
will inevitably be deeply involved." What does he think U.S. troops have
been doing since March, '03, eating popcorn on the sidelines watching the
show?
Genaro----------

The U.S. death toll since the start of the war in March 2003
exceeds 2,300, in addition to more than 17,000 wounded.
________________________________________________

Bush Military Bird Flu Role Slammed:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/05/bush.reax/

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A call by President George W. Bush for
Congress to give him the power to use the military in law enforcement
roles in the event of a bird flu pandemic has been criticized as akin
to introducing martial law.

---------------
So we have Bush being criticized for the military not being "on time" in
New Orleans when the local police force ran away, and we also have Bush
being criticized for attempting to prevent a future Bird Flu chaos
catastrophy by asking that the military be allowed to assist. Did you
read this article before posting it or just the headline? Either way, I
urge you to continue posting this left-wing hypocrisy, and thanks.
Genaro---------

The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 bans the military from participating
in police-type activity on U.S. soil.

Bush began discussing the possibility of changing the law banning
the military from participating in police-type activity last month,
in the aftermath of the government's sluggish response to civil
unrest following Hurricane Katrina.

"Lessons learned":

"If you find yourself in a hole,
the first thing to do is stop digging."

"If you get to thinkin' you're a person of
some influence, try orderin' somebody
else's dog around."

"Never kick a cow chip on a hot day."

- Cowboy Proverbs

----------------
***** Easy Tips for the Discerned Reader *****
1. Read closely any news dispatched by AP and CNN.
2. Don't just read the headline.
Genaro----------
.


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