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22 Dec 2004 06:51:15 PM |
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Saddam Hussein's friends in the EU... |
Get this: European human rights agencies don't want to inspect
Saddam's mass graves because any evidence found in them could be
used to put Saddam to death.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/10/14/wirq314.xml
Lack of EU support 'is hindering pace of inquiry'
By Jack Fairweather
(Filed: 14/10/2004)
Lack of European experts has held up the excavation of mass graves
in Iraq, according to an American human rights lawyer working on the
investigation.
Greg Kehoe said the experts were not joining in because evidence
might be used to sentence Saddam Hussein to death.
He accused European agencies of depriving the investigation of
experienced staff who would speed up the process.
"I don't have enough budget or staff to do more than one mass grave
at a time," said Mr Kehoe. "That's why we need help from other
countries. Europeans don't want to help out because of the
ramifications of the death penalty."
Capital punishment is not permitted within the European Union which
discourages its use elsewhere. EU countries also routinely refuse to
extradite people to the United States and other countries unless
they receive guarantees that detainees will not be executed.
The Iraqi Special Tribunal has identified a further nine mass graves
to be examined for evidence of the former Saddam regime's crimes
against humanity. Human rights groups estimate that 300,000 people
were killed.
Mr Kehoe, who spent five years investigating mass graves in Bosnia
for the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia,
said he wanted to have collected far more evidence by now, and cited
the delay as one reason why the IST has yet to issue formal charges
against Saddam and 11 other former regime leaders.
As head of the regime crimes liaison office, which co-ordinates
American efforts within the IST, Mr Kehoe has expressed frustration
at the size of his £55 million budget.
The IST has also complained about an inadequate staff, with just 50
prosecutors sifting through an estimated nine miles of documents
seized from the former regime.
The pace of the work has raised concerns that the Iraqi government,
under pressure from many Iraqis, might launch a trial of Saddam
without completing a full investigation.
Last month, the Iraqi prime minister, Ayad Allawi, said he could be
put on trial this month - a suggestion quickly quashed by US
officials.
© Copyright of Telegraph Group Limited 2004.
"I am quite sure no commercial jet hit the Pentagon."
--Commie conspiracy nutjob Brian Zepp Jamieson, May 11, 2004
"That actually makes more sense than the claim that
a large commercial aircraft, moving at cruising
speed at an altitude of ten feet, struck that
building. And the hole's about the right size."
--Commie FatBoy Brian Zepp Jamieson, May 12, 2004
"Barbara Olsen is still dead? Oh, good!"
--subhuman commie scumbag Brian Zepp Jamieson, July 22, 2004
"I don't have a theory as to what happened to Flight 77. But I'm
convinced it did not strike the Pentagon."
--Mental midget and loyal commie Brian Zepp Jamieson, July 26, 2004
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| User: "Sogobia" |
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| Title: Re: Saddam Hussein's friends in the EU... |
22 Dec 2004 07:20:37 PM |
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"MikeSoja" <msoja9@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:ba5ks0ttpmeutb1ljdb73epdaqlu3hcnan@4ax.com...
Get this: European human rights agencies don't want to inspect
Saddam's mass graves because any evidence found in them could be
used to put Saddam to death.
Or they don't want to be blown up, shot, kidnapped, beheaded or any of the
numerous ways to die in Iraq at the present time.
Or even more likely:
"I don't have enough budget or staff to do more than one mass grave
at a time," said Mr Kehoe. "That's why we need help from other
countries. Europeans don't want to help out because of the
ramifications of the death penalty."
On the otherhand what does the EU owe Bush?
If they get around to it, they might investigate some of the mass graves at
Falluja.
--
U.S. Report Finds Iraq Was Minimal Weapons Threat in '03
By DOUGLAS JEHL
WASHINGTON, Oct. 6 - Iraq had essentially destroyed its illicit weapons
capability within months after the Persian Gulf War ended in 1991, and its
capacity to produce such weapons had eroded even further by the time of the
American invasion in 2003, the top American inspector in Iraq said in a
report made public today.
http://tinyurl.com/3p3q9
(http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/06/international/middleeast/0
6CND-INTE.html?hp=&oref=login&pagewanted=print&position=)
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| User: "MikeSoja" |
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| Title: Re: Saddam Hussein's friends in the EU... |
22 Dec 2004 08:19:42 PM |
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:20:37 -0700, "Sogobia"
<windriver2000@yahoo.com> posted:
"MikeSoja" <msoja9@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:ba5ks0ttpmeutb1ljdb73epdaqlu3hcnan@4ax.com...
Get this: European human rights agencies don't want to inspect
Saddam's mass graves because any evidence found in them could be
used to put Saddam to death.
Or they don't want to be blown up, shot, kidnapped, beheaded or any of the
numerous ways to die in Iraq at the present time.
It's hard to believe there are no brave men or women in all of
Europe.
Or even more likely:
"I don't have enough budget or staff to do more than one mass grave
at a time," said Mr Kehoe. "That's why we need help from other
countries. Europeans don't want to help out because of the
ramifications of the death penalty."
On the otherhand what does the EU owe Bush?
Nothing, and neither does the U.S. owe the EU a single gesture of
good will. However, one would think there would be some interest in
uncovering the crimes that occured over the two plus decades of the
murderous thug's dictatorial rule. If the people of Europe cannot
muster even the most basic efforts at honor, they are doomed to
becoming ever less and less relevant in the world. Interestingly,
their fear of that loss of relevance, prestige, and influence seems
to animate their rhetoric, and yet their ongoing failure to act in
other than an insular and provincial manner almost guarantees their
continued drift to insignificance. Greatness is not built and held
by petulant whining.
If they get around to it, they might investigate some of the mass graves at
Falluja.
Too bad we can't afford the luxury of one day watching the
barbarians drive down your street.
Mike Soja
"I am quite sure no commercial jet hit the Pentagon."
--Commie conspiracy nutjob Brian Zepp Jamieson, May 11, 2004
"That actually makes more sense than the claim that
a large commercial aircraft, moving at cruising
speed at an altitude of ten feet, struck that
building. And the hole's about the right size."
--Commie FatBoy Brian Zepp Jamieson, May 12, 2004
"Barbara Olsen is still dead? Oh, good!"
--subhuman commie scumbag Brian Zepp Jamieson, July 22, 2004
"I don't have a theory as to what happened to Flight 77. But I'm
convinced it did not strike the Pentagon."
--Mental midget and loyal commie Brian Zepp Jamieson, July 26, 2004
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| User: "Esa Perkio" |
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| Title: Re: Saddam Hussein's friends in the EU... |
22 Dec 2004 08:00:33 PM |
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In alt.politics.bush MikeSoja <msoja9@newsguy.com> wrote:
: Get this: European human rights agencies don't want to inspect
: Saddam's mass graves because any evidence found in them could be
: used to put Saddam to death.
What is your problem with this? The EU does not believe in the death
penalty and declines to assist in it. It's a matter of having an opinion
and being consistent about it. I'm not an expert but ISTR that according
to its own rules the EU cannot in any way assist proceedings that involve
torture or a potential death penalty.
(If the USA proceeds in its chosen course, the ruling on torture might
eventually mean an end to all extraditions. Fighting terrorism might get
back on track as soon as some future US regime renounces inhuman - and
counterproductive - treatment of prisoners.)
Once you grant that "an exception should be made in _this_ case"
opposition to the death penalty becomes merely a matter of degree and less
of values. Are you indignant because
a) the EU opposes the death penalty in general
b) the EU fails to make an exception for your current enemy
c) the EU is consistent about its values and hence, in this case,
declines to assist the US of NA?
BTW, the proceedings so far haven't been very impressive in terms of
due process.
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Esa Perkiö
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| User: "MikeSoja" |
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| Title: Re: Saddam Hussein's friends in the EU... |
22 Dec 2004 08:45:34 PM |
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On 23 Dec 2004 02:00:33 GMT, Esa Perkio <eperkio@cc.helsinki.fi>
posted:
In alt.politics.bush MikeSoja <msoja9@newsguy.com> wrote:
: Get this: European human rights agencies don't want to inspect
: Saddam's mass graves because any evidence found in them could be
: used to put Saddam to death.
What is your problem with this? The EU does not believe in the death
penalty and declines to assist in it. It's a matter of having an opinion
What specious crap. They aren't being asked to prosecute poor old
Saddam, they're being asked to aid in understanding a horrible
crime. By their non-actions they dishonor Saddam's victims, or
rather, dishonor themselves by disdaining any interest in the
horrible crimes that occurred practically in their back yard.
and being consistent about it. I'm not an expert but ISTR that according
to its own rules the EU cannot in any way assist proceedings that involve
torture or a potential death penalty.
It's becoming easier and easier to not give a runny ***** about the
slaughter that is on its way to Europe. I trust YOU will behave
better than the Dutch did after the barbarian exercised his "free
speech" on Theo van Gogh's body, when it comes your turn.
(If the USA proceeds in its chosen course, the ruling on torture might
eventually mean an end to all extraditions. Fighting terrorism might get
back on track as soon as some future US regime renounces inhuman - and
counterproductive - treatment of prisoners.)
Once you grant that "an exception should be made in _this_ case"
opposition to the death penalty becomes merely a matter of degree and less
of values. Are you indignant because
a) the EU opposes the death penalty in general
b) the EU fails to make an exception for your current enemy
c) the EU is consistent about its values and hence, in this case,
declines to assist the US of NA?
What Europe seems to take for enlightenment and superiority others
take for weakness, foolhardiness, and a dangerous disconnect from
reality.
BTW, the proceedings so far haven't been very impressive in terms of
due process.
Europe never seemed to have a problem with Saddam's "due process".
I daresay that that bit of corruption will one day come home to
roost.
Cheers,
Mike Soja
"I am quite sure no commercial jet hit the Pentagon."
--Commie conspiracy nutjob Brian Zepp Jamieson, May 11, 2004
"That actually makes more sense than the claim that
a large commercial aircraft, moving at cruising
speed at an altitude of ten feet, struck that
building. And the hole's about the right size."
--Commie FatBoy Brian Zepp Jamieson, May 12, 2004
"Barbara Olsen is still dead? Oh, good!"
--subhuman commie scumbag Brian Zepp Jamieson, July 22, 2004
"I don't have a theory as to what happened to Flight 77. But I'm
convinced it did not strike the Pentagon."
--Mental midget and loyal commie Brian Zepp Jamieson, July 26, 2004
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