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Topic: Politics > Politics-USA
User: "DGVREIMAN"
Date: 25 Jan 2004 05:47:28 PM
Object: SADDAM MOVED WMD
SADDAM MOVED WMD
Today, on Fox news Dr. Kay and John Lawflus testified during an
interview that:
1. Saddam moved some of his WMD to Syria.
2. Saddam moved some of his WMD to the Bekka Valley in Lebanon.
Syria has only two Army units remaining in the Bekka Valley, and
those units are reportedly positioned and based directly over
Saddam's deeply buried liquified Anthrax and VX Nerve Gas.
Dr. Lawflus also said that Israel has verified Saddam's WMD move
into Syria and Lebanon.
I reported (on this newsgroup) that Saddam had moved his WMD to
both Syria and Lebanon approximately six months prior to the
liberation of Iraq. My conclusions in respect to this issue were
based upon the language of the treaty that was signed between
Saddam and the son of the recently deceased King of Syria. This
treaty was penned after the old King died, and that treaty called
for "an exchange of weapons" and mutual protection in case of any
invasion of either country.
Saddam clearly intended to deceive the United Nations and the
world in respect to his WMD stockpiles and programs, and then
after the U.N. sanctions were lifted, intended to retrieve and
reinitiate his WMD stockpiles and programs.
We owe a sincere debt of gratitude to President Bush, Pm Blair,
PM Howard and the other leaders of the 67 nation coalition for
having the foresight and resolve to remove Saddam from power. If
not, Saddam's deceptions would have been successful, and we would
be facing an enemy armed with WMD that could use them with
impunity due to an inevitable U.N. erroneous proclamation that
Iraq was free of WMD.
Doug Grant (Tm)
.

User: "Joe S."

Title: Re: SADDAM MOVED WMD 25 Jan 2004 07:17:50 PM
"DGVREIMAN" <dggrant@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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SADDAM MOVED WMD



Today, on Fox news

[ nothing of value snipped ]


Doug Grant (Tm)

And you believed it?
BWWWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
--
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Joe S.
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User: "abracadabra"

Title: Re: SADDAM MOVED WMD 25 Jan 2004 10:43:34 PM
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SADDAM MOVED WMD



Today, on Fox news

[ nothing of value snipped ]


Doug Grant (Tm)



And you believed it?


BWWWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

I respect the amount of time the Dougster puts into his posts, but this is
the best one yet.
The mean old Iraqis tricked us by moving the weapons in a time when we
probably had overflights every day, and satellites overhead 24/7?
I love it how all these "arab looking" guys suddenly all work together. Iraq
and Syria severed relations in 1980 and only reopened some trade in the
1990s. Suddenly Saddam is going to give all his WMDs to Assad?
.
User: ""

Title: Re: SADDAM MOVED WMD 26 Jan 2004 09:29:11 AM
"abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> wrote

I love it how all these "arab looking" guys suddenly all work together. Iraq
and Syria severed relations in 1980 and only reopened some trade in the
1990s. Suddenly Saddam is going to give all his WMDs to Assad?

Why does the Iraq flag have 3 stars on it? Anyone know?
.
User: "abracadabra"

Title: Re: SADDAM MOVED WMD 26 Jan 2004 04:16:31 PM
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"abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> wrote


I love it how all these "arab looking" guys suddenly all work together.

Iraq

and Syria severed relations in 1980 and only reopened some trade in the
1990s. Suddenly Saddam is going to give all his WMDs to Assad?



Why does the Iraq flag have 3 stars on it? Anyone know?

I can think of some nasty answer along the lines of "that was as high as the
average Iraqi general could count", but honestly I don't know.
My world book encyclopedia circa 1968 explains the different colored bars,
but not the stars.
Maybe
one for the Sunni
one for the Shi'ite
one for the Kurds?
.
User: ""

Title: Re: SADDAM MOVED WMD 26 Jan 2004 08:33:13 PM
"abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3lgRb.27762

I love it how all these "arab looking" guys suddenly all work together.

Iraq

and Syria severed relations in 1980 and only reopened some trade in the
1990s. Suddenly Saddam is going to give all his WMDs to Assad?



Why does the Iraq flag have 3 stars on it? Anyone know?


I can think of some nasty answer along the lines of "that was as high as the
average Iraqi general could count", but honestly I don't know.
My world book encyclopedia circa 1968 explains the different colored bars,
but not the stars.
Maybe
one for the Sunni
one for the Shi'ite
one for the Kurds?

The stars express a desire to unite with Syria and Egypt.
.



User: "DGVREIMAN"

Title: Re: SADDAM MOVED WMD 26 Jan 2004 07:24:01 PM
SADDAM MOVED WMD
Today, on Fox news Dr. Kay and John Lawflus testified during an
interview that:
1. Saddam moved some of his WMD to Syria.
2. Saddam moved some of his WMD to the Bekka Valley in Lebanon.
Syria has only two Army units remaining in the Bekka Valley, and
those units are reportedly positioned and based directly over
Saddam's deeply buried liquified Anthrax and VX Nerve Gas.
Dr. Lawflus also said that Israel has verified Saddam's WMD move
into Syria and Lebanon.
I reported (on this newsgroup) that Saddam had moved his WMD to
both Syria and Lebanon approximately six months prior to the
liberation of Iraq. My conclusions in respect to this issue were
based upon the language of the treaty that was signed between
Saddam and the son of the recently deceased King of Syria. This
treaty was penned after the old King died, and that treaty called
for "an exchange of weapons" and mutual protection in case of any
invasion of either country.
Saddam clearly intended to deceive the United Nations and the
world in respect to his WMD stockpiles and programs, and then
after the U.N. sanctions were lifted, intended to retrieve and
reinitiate his WMD stockpiles and programs.
We owe a sincere debt of gratitude to President Bush, Pm Blair,
PM Howard and the other leaders of the 67 nation coalition for
having the foresight and resolve to remove Saddam from power. If
not, Saddam's deceptions would have been successful, and we would
be facing an enemy armed with WMD that could use them with
impunity due to an inevitable U.N. erroneous proclamation that
Iraq was free of WMD.
Doug Grant (Tm)
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SADDAM MOVED WMD



Today, on Fox news

[ nothing of value snipped ]


Doug Grant (Tm)



And you believed it?


BWWWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!


I respect the amount of time the Dougster puts into his posts,

but this is

the best one yet.
The mean old Iraqis tricked us by moving the weapons in a time

when we

probably had overflights every day, and satellites overhead

24/7?

I love it how all these "arab looking" guys suddenly all work

together. Iraq

and Syria severed relations in 1980 and only reopened some

trade in the

1990s. Suddenly Saddam is going to give all his WMDs to Assad?

Doug Says: You are out of touch Aba. When the old king died,
Saddam and the younger Assad signed a mutual protection treaty
that called for mutual protection and the "exchange of weapons."
The deal was ostensibly based upon an imminent invasion of Iraq
and Syria by Israel.
Of course Saddam sent WMD into Syria and Syrian controlled
Lebanon...why would the investigators lie?
Doug Grant (Tm)



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User: "SmirkS"

Title: Re: SADDAM MOVED WMD 25 Jan 2004 11:18:13 PM
abracadabra wrote:

I love it how all these "arab looking" guys suddenly all work
together. Iraq and Syria severed relations in 1980 and only reopened
some trade in the 1990s. Suddenly Saddam is going to give all his WMDs
to Assad?

heeeyyyy, watch yerself, now... don't go getting all 'brainy'.
;p
--
TheTruthHurts.
.
User: "abracadabra"

Title: Re: SADDAM MOVED WMD 26 Jan 2004 07:37:49 AM
"<SmirkS>" <martin-chill@excited.com> wrote in message
news:Xns947BD8B656F79itsmemcd@130.133.1.4...

abracadabra wrote:

I love it how all these "arab looking" guys suddenly all work
together. Iraq and Syria severed relations in 1980 and only reopened
some trade in the 1990s. Suddenly Saddam is going to give all his WMDs
to Assad?



heeeyyyy, watch yerself, now... don't go getting all 'brainy'.


;p

Hey, do you hate the USA or something?
.
User: "SmirkS"

Title: Re: SADDAM MOVED WMD 26 Jan 2004 11:05:09 AM
abracadabra wrote:

I love it how all these "arab looking" guys suddenly all work
together. Iraq and Syria severed relations in 1980 and only reopened
some trade in the 1990s. Suddenly Saddam is going to give all his WMDs
to Assad?



heeeyyyy, watch yerself, now... don't go getting all 'brainy'.


;p


Hey, do you hate the USA or something?

"don't hate us because we're americans. just hate our government." NoFX
http://www.bushflash.com/idiot.html
--
TheTruthHurts.
.


User: "DGVREIMAN"

Title: Re: SADDAM MOVED WMD 26 Jan 2004 07:24:34 PM
SADDAM MOVED WMD
Today, on Fox news Dr. Kay and John Lawflus testified during an
interview that:
1. Saddam moved some of his WMD to Syria.
2. Saddam moved some of his WMD to the Bekka Valley in Lebanon.
Syria has only two Army units remaining in the Bekka Valley, and
those units are reportedly positioned and based directly over
Saddam's deeply buried liquified Anthrax and VX Nerve Gas.
Dr. Lawflus also said that Israel has verified Saddam's WMD move
into Syria and Lebanon.
I reported (on this newsgroup) that Saddam had moved his WMD to
both Syria and Lebanon approximately six months prior to the
liberation of Iraq. My conclusions in respect to this issue were
based upon the language of the treaty that was signed between
Saddam and the son of the recently deceased King of Syria. This
treaty was penned after the old King died, and that treaty called
for "an exchange of weapons" and mutual protection in case of any
invasion of either country.
Saddam clearly intended to deceive the United Nations and the
world in respect to his WMD stockpiles and programs, and then
after the U.N. sanctions were lifted, intended to retrieve and
reinitiate his WMD stockpiles and programs.
We owe a sincere debt of gratitude to President Bush, Pm Blair,
PM Howard and the other leaders of the 67 nation coalition for
having the foresight and resolve to remove Saddam from power. If
not, Saddam's deceptions would have been successful, and we would
be facing an enemy armed with WMD that could use them with
impunity due to an inevitable U.N. erroneous proclamation that
Iraq was free of WMD.
Doug Grant (Tm)
"<SmirkS>" <martin-chill@excited.com> wrote in message
news:Xns947BD8B656F79itsmemcd@130.133.1.4...

abracadabra wrote:

I love it how all these "arab looking" guys suddenly all work
together. Iraq and Syria severed relations in 1980 and only

reopened

some trade in the 1990s. Suddenly Saddam is going to give all

his WMDs

to Assad?



heeeyyyy, watch yerself, now... don't go getting all 'brainy'.


;p




--
TheTruthHurts.

.
User: "SmirkS"

Title: Re: SADDAM MOVED WMD 26 Jan 2004 07:34:28 PM
DGVREIMAN wrote:

We owe a sincere debt of gratitude to President Bush, Pm Blair,
PM Howard and the other leaders of the 67 nation coalition for
having the foresight and resolve to remove Saddam from power. If
not, Saddam's deceptions would have been successful, and we would
be facing an enemy armed with WMD that could use them with
impunity due to an inevitable U.N. erroneous proclamation that
Iraq was free of WMD.

you must be getting paid very well, indeed, dougie.
--
TheTruthHurts.
.
User: "DGVREIMAN"

Title: President Bush & PM Blair (was Re: SADDAM MOVED WMD 27 Jan 2004 10:47:21 AM
"<SmirkS>" <martin-chill@excited.com> wrote in message
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DGVREIMAN wrote:

We owe a sincere debt of gratitude to President Bush, Pm

Blair,

PM Howard and the other leaders of the 67 nation coalition

for

having the foresight and resolve to remove Saddam from power.

If

not, Saddam's deceptions would have been successful, and we

would

be facing an enemy armed with WMD that could use them with
impunity due to an inevitable U.N. erroneous proclamation

that

Iraq was free of WMD.



you must be getting paid very well, indeed, dougie.


--
TheTruthHurts.

Doug Says: I posted the truth. If Saddam was allowed to remain
in power, the UN would have never found his hidden WMD stockpiles
nor programs...since they were hidden well and mostly outside of
Iraq. Ergo, when the UN pronounced Saddam clean of WMD, and
sanctions were thereby lifted, Saddam would have simply retrieved
his WMD and reinitiated his WMD programs.
However, if Saddam then used those WMD via his Fedayeen or other
affiliated terrorist groups, then Saddam could have claimed
innocence because the United Nations had previously announced to
the world that he did not possess WMD!
Saddam's attempt at deceiving the world is now apparent for all
to see....and if President Bush, PM Blair, PM Howard and the
leaders of the 67 nation coalition had not seen through Saddam's
deceptions, not only would Iraq presently possess tons of WMD,
Saddam would feel free to use them against the West with
impunity.
Those are the cold facts, and facts that you and other
anti-American types need to learn to live with. PM Blair and
President Bush probably saved the lives of hundreds of thousands
of people because they had the resolve to remove Saddam from
power.
Doug Grant (Tm)
.
User: "Kel"

Title: Re: President Bush & PM Blair (was Re: SADDAM MOVED WMD 27 Jan 2004 02:19:19 PM
"DGVREIMAN" <dggrant@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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"<SmirkS>" <martin-chill@excited.com> wrote in message
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DGVREIMAN wrote:

We owe a sincere debt of gratitude to President Bush, Pm

Blair,

PM Howard and the other leaders of the 67 nation coalition

for

having the foresight and resolve to remove Saddam from power.

If

not, Saddam's deceptions would have been successful, and we

would

be facing an enemy armed with WMD that could use them with
impunity due to an inevitable U.N. erroneous proclamation

that

Iraq was free of WMD.



you must be getting paid very well, indeed, dougie.


--
TheTruthHurts.


Doug Says: I posted the truth. If Saddam was allowed to remain
in power, the UN would have never found his hidden WMD stockpiles

He didn't have any stockpiles as Kay has confirmed. Get up to speed, Doug.

nor programs...

What programmes?
since they were hidden well and mostly outside of

Iraq.

Can you supply any proof to support that theory? And lying Israel doesn't
count. As I've always said, the neo-cons are doing all this to ensure
Israeli dominance in the Middle East, so any evidence Israel offers is
really just her way of asking the West to fight her battles for her.
Ergo, when the UN pronounced Saddam clean of WMD, and

sanctions were thereby lifted, Saddam would have simply retrieved
his WMD and reinitiated his WMD programs.

Enormous amount of projection going on here. Is all this because you don't
want to admit you were wrong about Saddam and WMD?


However, if Saddam then used those WMD via his Fedayeen or other
affiliated terrorist groups, then Saddam could have claimed
innocence because the United Nations had previously announced to
the world that he did not possess WMD!

Saddam's attempt at deceiving the world is now apparent for all
to see....and if President Bush, PM Blair, PM Howard and the
leaders of the 67 nation coalition had not seen through Saddam's
deceptions, not only would Iraq presently possess tons of WMD,
Saddam would feel free to use them against the West with
impunity.

Those are the cold facts, and facts that you and other
anti-American types need to learn to live with. PM Blair and
President Bush probably saved the lives of hundreds of thousands
of people because they had the resolve to remove Saddam from
power.

They removed from power a man who did not possess the weapons that they
claimed he had so they actually killed thousands of innocents for nothing.
You really will talk any amount of rubbish rather than simply admit you were
wrong. So where are the stockpiles that Bush spoke of in Cincinatee? Where
were the factories that produced these invisible weapons? Where are the
people who worked in these factories?
Cold hard facts? You wouldn't know one if it bit you on the *****, Doug.
.
User: "DGVREIMAN"

Title: Re: President Bush & PM Blair (was Re: SADDAM MOVED WMD 27 Jan 2004 06:24:25 PM
"Kel" <osterman@NO.THANKS.blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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"DGVREIMAN" <dggrant@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message

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"<SmirkS>" <martin-chill@excited.com> wrote in message
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DGVREIMAN wrote:

We owe a sincere debt of gratitude to President Bush, Pm

Blair,

PM Howard and the other leaders of the 67 nation

coalition

for

having the foresight and resolve to remove Saddam from

power.

If

not, Saddam's deceptions would have been successful, and

we

would

be facing an enemy armed with WMD that could use them

with

impunity due to an inevitable U.N. erroneous proclamation

that

Iraq was free of WMD.



you must be getting paid very well, indeed, dougie.


--
TheTruthHurts.


Doug Says: I posted the truth. If Saddam was allowed to

remain

in power, the UN would have never found his hidden WMD

stockpiles


He didn't have any stockpiles as Kay has confirmed. Get up to

speed, Doug.
Doug Says: Can you read? He moved his WMD to Syria and Lebanon,
and he wanted the UN to find nothing in Iraq and thereby lift
sanctions. Thereafter he would have simply retrieved his WMD and
reinitiated his WMD programs. Of course he possessed WMD, even
the UN inspectors tagged some of them before they were kicked out
by Saddam.
If PM Blair and President Bush and the rest of the 67 coalition
nation leaders did not remove Saddam, then Saddam would have
deceived the world....at the expense of the world I might add.


nor programs...


What programmes?

Doug Says: Duh, the WMD programs that Saddam even admitted to
possessing before the UN inspectors were kicked out in 1998, not
to mention the mobile biological labs we have already found, and
the two dozen chemical weapon labs that were identified by Dr.
Kay and his staff.


since they were hidden well and mostly outside of

Iraq.


Can you supply any proof to support that theory? And lying

Israel doesn't

count. As I've always said, the neo-cons are doing all this to

ensure

Israeli dominance in the Middle East, so any evidence Israel

offers is

really just her way of asking the West to fight her battles for

her.
Doug Says: I posted the live testimony from Dr. Kay and Dr.
Lawflus based upon their year long investigation of the matter.
Further, Israel announced that its intelligence agency verified
that Saddam had moved WMD into Syria long after the liberation of
Iraq. Israel of course "counts" and the last time I checked
Israel had defeated the combined armies of the entire Arab world
not less than three times! Israel certainly does not need our
help to defeat Syria. Further, Iran and Syria are both terrorist
producers, and that is information we have determined
independent of Israel.


Ergo, when the UN pronounced Saddam clean of WMD, and

sanctions were thereby lifted, Saddam would have simply

retrieved

his WMD and reinitiated his WMD programs.


Enormous amount of projection going on here. Is all this

because you don't

want to admit you were wrong about Saddam and WMD?

Doug Says: It appears that it is you that is afraid to admit you
are wrong, not me. I am simply posting the live testimony of
experts that have been studying this issue for more than a
year....they agree with me that Saddam moved VX Nerve Gas and
Liquefied Anthrax into Syria and the Bekka Valley in Lebanon.
Obviously, you are the one that needs to eat some crow as we are
now finding out the truth about Saddam's WMD.
Moreover, what "projections?" Why would Saddam move and hide his
WMD in other nations if he did not want to retrieve them later?
If he wanted to be rid of them he simply would have destroyed
them under UN supervision, like he was supposed to do and there
never would have been a question about the existence of his WMD.
Since Saddam chose to hide his WMD instead of destroying them
under UN supervision, his plan to retrieve his WMD later after he
had deceived the UN and the world is obvious.


However, if Saddam then used those WMD via his Fedayeen or

other

affiliated terrorist groups, then Saddam could have claimed
innocence because the United Nations had previously announced

to

the world that he did not possess WMD!

Saddam's attempt at deceiving the world is now apparent for

all

to see....and if President Bush, PM Blair, PM Howard and the
leaders of the 67 nation coalition had not seen through

Saddam's

deceptions, not only would Iraq presently possess tons of

WMD,

Saddam would feel free to use them against the West with
impunity.

Those are the cold facts, and facts that you and other
anti-American types need to learn to live with. PM Blair and
President Bush probably saved the lives of hundreds of

thousands

of people because they had the resolve to remove Saddam from
power.


They removed from power a man who did not possess the weapons

that they

claimed he had so they actually killed thousands of innocents

for nothing.

You really will talk any amount of rubbish rather than simply

admit you were

wrong. So where are the stockpiles that Bush spoke of in

Cincinatee? Where

were the factories that produced these invisible weapons? Where

are the

people who worked in these factories?

Doug Says: The Iraqis that worked on the biological weapons have
already submitted testimony that was referenced by Secretary
Powell during his speach in front of the United Nations security
council.
Not less than two dozen chemical labs have already been uncovered
by Dr. Kay's team, and we have captured two mobile biological
weapon labs as well, not to mention found dozens of proscribed
missiles.
Now we have learned that our WMD inspection team has found clear
and irrefutable evidence that Saddam moved his WMD into Syria and
Lebanon prior to the liberation of Iraq - such information has
also been independently confirmed by Israel's intelligence
agencies.
Saddam did possess WMD, and we owe a debt of gratitude to PM
Blair and President Bush for having the resolve to remove Saddam
from power before he could deceive the world into believing he
did not possess, nor would use, WMD.


Cold hard facts? You wouldn't know one if it bit you on the

*****, Doug.
Doug Says: I posted the cold hard facts in my first post, and
have followed them up in this post with irrefutable evidence that
Saddam possessed WMD and moved them into Syria and Lebanon prior
to the liberation of Iraq. That information is precisely what
the experts are saying during live interviews....and that is
precisely why you and your friends should be ordering up a
heaping serving of black bird pie instead of impaling your
credibility by denying know and published facts on this issue.
Doug Grant (Tm)



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DGVREIMAN wrote:

We owe a sincere debt of gratitude to President Bush, Pm

Blair,

PM Howard and the other leaders of the 67 nation

coalition

for

having the foresight and resolve to remove Saddam from

power.

If

not, Saddam's deceptions would have been successful, and

we

would

be facing an enemy armed with WMD that could use them

with

impunity due to an inevitable U.N. erroneous proclamation

that

Iraq was free of WMD.



you must be getting paid very well, indeed, dougie.


--
TheTruthHurts.


Doug Says: I posted the truth. If Saddam was allowed to

remain

in power, the UN would have never found his hidden WMD

stockpiles


He didn't have any stockpiles as Kay has confirmed. Get up to

speed, Doug.

Doug Says: Can you read? He moved his WMD to Syria and Lebanon,

Why would he do this when he just about to be attacked? Isn't this the very
time that he would need these weapons? Your story makes no sense.
And if you are claiming that he did this long before the coalition attacked,
why didn't he retieve them when attack was imminent?

and he wanted the UN to find nothing in Iraq and thereby lift
sanctions. Thereafter he would have simply retrieved his WMD and
reinitiated his WMD programs. Of course he possessed WMD, even
the UN inspectors tagged some of them before they were kicked out
by Saddam.

If PM Blair and President Bush and the rest of the 67 coalition
nation leaders did not remove Saddam, then Saddam would have
deceived the world....at the expense of the world I might add.


nor programs...


What programmes?


Doug Says: Duh, the WMD programs that Saddam even admitted to
possessing before the UN inspectors were kicked out in 1998, not
to mention the mobile biological labs we have already found, and
the two dozen chemical weapon labs that were identified by Dr.
Kay and his staff.

The "mobile labs" were not used for the purpose that you claim and the "two
dozen chemical weapons labs" were merely found to be "capable" of producing
chemical weapons. Any modern laboratory "could" produce chemical weapons so
all that was found was that Iraq had modern laboratories.
The real question is, "Was any trace of chemical weapons found in these
labs"? The answer is "No".
And, as you keep quoting Dr. Kay, it's only fair to ask "Does Dr. Kay
believe that Saddam had WMD?" The answer is, "No, he doesn't". He's calling
for an examination of how the CIA handles intelligence to work out how they
got it so badly wrong. So why do you keep quoting him as a source when he
fundamentally disagrees with you?
Switch off Fox for two seconds, Doug and try a news channel. You might find
out what people are really saying.


since they were hidden well and mostly outside of

Iraq.


Can you supply any proof to support that theory? And lying

Israel doesn't

count. As I've always said, the neo-cons are doing all this to

ensure

Israeli dominance in the Middle East, so any evidence Israel

offers is

really just her way of asking the West to fight her battles for

her.

Doug Says: I posted the live testimony from Dr. Kay and Dr.
Lawflus based upon their year long investigation of the matter.

The "live testimony" of Dr. Kay and Dr. Lawfus does not constitute proof,
especially as Dr. Kay is saying that Saddam did NOT possess WMD. You seem to
be cherrypicking what he says to support your increasingly bizzarre
argument.

Further, Israel announced that its intelligence agency verified
that Saddam had moved WMD into Syria long after the liberation of
Iraq.

None of us care what Mossad claim. They are renowned liars.
Israel of course "counts" and the last time I checked

Israel had defeated the combined armies of the entire Arab world
not less than three times!

The ability to defeat other countries militarilly does not mean that your
intelligence services are automatically honest. What a bizarre point to
raise....
Israel certainly does not need our

help to defeat Syria. Further, Iran and Syria are both terrorist
producers, and that is information we have determined
independent of Israel.


Ergo, when the UN pronounced Saddam clean of WMD, and

sanctions were thereby lifted, Saddam would have simply

retrieved

his WMD and reinitiated his WMD programs.


Enormous amount of projection going on here. Is all this

because you don't

want to admit you were wrong about Saddam and WMD?

Doug Says: It appears that it is you that is afraid to admit you
are wrong, not me. I am simply posting the live testimony of
experts that have been studying this issue for more than a
year....they agree with me that Saddam moved VX Nerve Gas and
Liquefied Anthrax into Syria and the Bekka Valley in Lebanon.

No, they don't. You are a liar. Kay said that there was movement between
Iraq and Syria but he couldn't confirm it was WMD as Syria refused to
co-operate. Kay also says that IRAQ DID NOT HAVE WMD.
Why do you keep using him as a source when he disagrees with you? Oh, and
tell me, why is Kay calling for an examination of how the CIA gathers
intelligence? Isn't it because they got it wrong?

Obviously, you are the one that needs to eat some crow as we are
now finding out the truth about Saddam's WMD.

Kay says Iraq did NOT possess WMD. You said that your army buddies had
assured you that they were going to produce stockpiles and that we "would
all eat crow".
They have produced no stockpiles. Kay says there never were any stockpiles.
You have been proven totally wrong and are inventing insane theories to try
to cover that fact.
Slurp, slurp.


Moreover, what "projections?" Why would Saddam move and hide his
WMD in other nations if he did not want to retrieve them later?

Why didn't he retrieve them and use them when he was invaded? What's the
point in having weapons if you aren't going to use them at the time when
they are most needed?

If he wanted to be rid of them he simply would have destroyed
them under UN supervision, like he was supposed to do and there
never would have been a question about the existence of his WMD.

Hint -He didn't have them.

Since Saddam chose to hide his WMD instead of destroying them
under UN supervision, his plan to retrieve his WMD later after he
had deceived the UN and the world is obvious.

What's obvious is that your argument doesn't follow any pattern of
recognisable logic. Why didn't he retirieve them when he was about to be
attacked by the largest army in the world?
(Repetitive garbage SNIPPED)
.

User: "SmirkS"

Title: Re: President Bush & PM Blair (was Re: SADDAM MOVED WMD 27 Jan 2004 08:32:47 PM
DGVREIMAN wrote:

If PM Blair and President Bush and the rest of the 67 coalition
nation leaders did not remove Saddam, then Saddam would have
deceived the world....at the expense of the world I might add.

your story changes weekly. must be your sources.
--
TheTruthHurts.
.
User: "DGVREIMAN"

Title: Re: President Bush & PM Blair (was Re: SADDAM MOVED WMD 28 Jan 2004 09:17:55 AM
"<SmirkS>" <martin-chill@excited.com> wrote in message
news:Xns947DBCA9ABE71itsmemcd@130.133.1.4...

DGVREIMAN wrote:

If PM Blair and President Bush and the rest of the 67

coalition

nation leaders did not remove Saddam, then Saddam would have
deceived the world....at the expense of the world I might

add.


your story changes weekly. must be your sources.


--
TheTruthHurts.

Doug Says: My story has never changed. Here is the latest.

Doug Says: The Iraqis that worked on the biological weapons

have

already submitted testimony that was referenced by Secretary
Powell during his speach in front of the United Nations

security

council.

Not less than two dozen chemical labs have already been

uncovered

by Dr. Kay's team, and we have captured two mobile biological
weapon labs as well, not to mention found dozens of

proscribed

missiles.

Now we have learned that our WMD inspection team has found

clear

and irrefutable evidence that Saddam moved his WMD into Syria

and

Lebanon prior to the liberation of Iraq - such information

has

also been independently confirmed by Israel's intelligence
agencies.

Saddam did possess WMD, and we owe a debt of gratitude to PM
Blair and President Bush for having the resolve to remove

Saddam

from power before he could deceive the world into believing

he

did not possess, nor would use, WMD.


Cold hard facts? You wouldn't know one if it bit you on the

*****, Doug.

Doug Says: I posted the cold hard facts in my first post,

and

have followed them up in this post with irrefutable evidence

that

Saddam possessed WMD and moved them into Syria and Lebanon

prior

to the liberation of Iraq. That information is precisely

what

the experts are saying during live interviews....and that is
precisely why you and your friends should be ordering up a
heaping serving of black bird pie instead of impaling your
credibility by denying know and published facts on this

issue.


Doug Grant (Tm)



Yep. The most watched nation on the face of the Earth,
under a mincroscope of every nation. And they just happen
to be allowed to move these things elsewhere?

Doug Says: Duh, Satellites cannot see inside covered trucks or
disguised ambulances such as was reported that Saddam used to
move some of his WMD into Syria and Lebanon. I should also
mention that Saddam did destroy some of his old and degrading
stockpiles of WMD in the mid 1990's - but NOT under the
supervision of the UN which was required if he wanted those
weapons to be accounted for as destroyed.


The admin and their crows are changing their stories on a daily

basis.

Iraq was no threat to us.

The only threat in Iraq is the one your hero, the Dunce in

Chief,

created at a cost of billions and many, many lives, by creating
more anti American sentiment and a less secure environment
for American interests around the globe.

Doug Says: Saddam was a threat to not only the USA but the
entire free world. Saddam not only was financing and arming
terrorists (as verified by CBS's 60 Minutes which aired the find
of the documents linking Saddam to Haamas and the PLO) he also
had built his own Fedayeen terrorist organization that was
dealing with and directly connected with Ansar-Al Islam which is
a faction of Al Qaeda.
Meanwhile, Saddam was hiding WMD in Lebanon and Syria, thereby
insuring the UN inspectors would not find WMD in Iraq and would
consequently lift sanctions and provide Saddam with a "clean
bill" to retrieve his WMD and give them to the terrorist
organization he was building and those he was supporting.
If you do not call that a threat, then you have your head in the
sand.


See you in November.

Doug Says: If John Kerry gets the Democratic nomination, then
you might as well live with the fact that President Bush will be
around for another four years....traitors are not elected to the
Presidency in this country.
Doug Grant (Tm)


.
User: "SmirkS"

Title: Re: President Bush & PM Blair (was Re: SADDAM MOVED WMD 28 Jan 2004 10:29:52 AM
DGVREIMAN wrote:

If you do not call that a threat, then you have your head in the
sand.

it's not a threat.
i live four blocks from the beach, not in it.


traitors are not elected to the
Presidency in this country.

neither are awol cocaine users, which is why w had to be appointed by the
court.
you are a fool, doug, and your arguments are foolish. you failed to respond
to any of the valid points made by Kel, but you sure succeeded in rambling
on about how small your penis looks next to the terrifying saddam hussein.
tough life, hey?
--
TheTruthHurts.
.




User: "John Agosta"

Title: Re: President Bush & PM Blair (was Re: SADDAM MOVED WMD 27 Jan 2004 03:31:14 PM
"Kel" <osterman@NO.THANKS.blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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"DGVREIMAN" <dggrant@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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"<SmirkS>" <martin-chill@excited.com> wrote in message
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DGVREIMAN wrote:

We owe a sincere debt of gratitude to President Bush, Pm

Blair,

PM Howard and the other leaders of the 67 nation coalition

for

having the foresight and resolve to remove Saddam from power.

If

not, Saddam's deceptions would have been successful, and we

would

be facing an enemy armed with WMD that could use them with
impunity due to an inevitable U.N. erroneous proclamation

that

Iraq was free of WMD.



you must be getting paid very well, indeed, dougie.


--
TheTruthHurts.


Doug Says: I posted the truth. If Saddam was allowed to remain
in power, the UN would have never found his hidden WMD stockpiles


He didn't have any stockpiles as Kay has confirmed. Get up to speed, Doug.

nor programs...


What programmes?

since they were hidden well and mostly outside of

Iraq.


Can you supply any proof to support that theory? And lying Israel doesn't
count. As I've always said, the neo-cons are doing all this to ensure
Israeli dominance in the Middle East, so any evidence Israel offers is
really just her way of asking the West to fight her battles for her.

Ergo, when the UN pronounced Saddam clean of WMD, and

sanctions were thereby lifted, Saddam would have simply retrieved
his WMD and reinitiated his WMD programs.


Enormous amount of projection going on here. Is all this because you don't
want to admit you were wrong about Saddam and WMD?


However, if Saddam then used those WMD via his Fedayeen or other
affiliated terrorist groups, then Saddam could have claimed
innocence because the United Nations had previously announced to
the world that he did not possess WMD!

Saddam's attempt at deceiving the world is now apparent for all
to see....and if President Bush, PM Blair, PM Howard and the
leaders of the 67 nation coalition had not seen through Saddam's
deceptions, not only would Iraq presently possess tons of WMD,
Saddam would feel free to use them against the West with
impunity.

Those are the cold facts, and facts that you and other
anti-American types need to learn to live with. PM Blair and
President Bush probably saved the lives of hundreds of thousands
of people because they had the resolve to remove Saddam from
power.


They removed from power a man who did not possess the weapons that they
claimed he had so they actually killed thousands of innocents for nothing.
You really will talk any amount of rubbish rather than simply admit you

were

wrong. So where are the stockpiles that Bush spoke of in Cincinatee? Where
were the factories that produced these invisible weapons? Where are the
people who worked in these factories?

Cold hard facts? You wouldn't know one if it bit you on the *****, Doug.

He thinks all those marks came from mosquitos.....
;-)
.
User: "DGVREIMAN"

Title: Re: President Bush & PM Blair (was Re: SADDAM MOVED WMD 27 Jan 2004 06:24:58 PM
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"<SmirkS>" <martin-chill@excited.com> wrote in message
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DGVREIMAN wrote:

We owe a sincere debt of gratitude to President Bush,

Pm

Blair,

PM Howard and the other leaders of the 67 nation

coalition

for

having the foresight and resolve to remove Saddam from

power.

If

not, Saddam's deceptions would have been successful,

and we

would

be facing an enemy armed with WMD that could use them

with

impunity due to an inevitable U.N. erroneous

proclamation

that

Iraq was free of WMD.



you must be getting paid very well, indeed, dougie.


--
TheTruthHurts.


Doug Says: I posted the truth. If Saddam was allowed to

remain

in power, the UN would have never found his hidden WMD

stockpiles


He didn't have any stockpiles as Kay has confirmed. Get up to

speed, Doug.


nor programs...


What programmes?

since they were hidden well and mostly outside of

Iraq.


Can you supply any proof to support that theory? And lying

Israel doesn't

count. As I've always said, the neo-cons are doing all this

to ensure

Israeli dominance in the Middle East, so any evidence Israel

offers is

really just her way of asking the West to fight her battles

for her.


Ergo, when the UN pronounced Saddam clean of WMD, and

sanctions were thereby lifted, Saddam would have simply

retrieved

his WMD and reinitiated his WMD programs.


Enormous amount of projection going on here. Is all this

because you don't

want to admit you were wrong about Saddam and WMD?


However, if Saddam then used those WMD via his Fedayeen or

other

affiliated terrorist groups, then Saddam could have claimed
innocence because the United Nations had previously

announced to

the world that he did not possess WMD!

Saddam's attempt at deceiving the world is now apparent for

all

to see....and if President Bush, PM Blair, PM Howard and

the

leaders of the 67 nation coalition had not seen through

Saddam's

deceptions, not only would Iraq presently possess tons of

WMD,

Saddam would feel free to use them against the West with
impunity.

Those are the cold facts, and facts that you and other
anti-American types need to learn to live with. PM Blair

and

President Bush probably saved the lives of hundreds of

thousands

of people because they had the resolve to remove Saddam

from

power.


They removed from power a man who did not possess the weapons

that they

claimed he had so they actually killed thousands of innocents

for nothing.

You really will talk any amount of rubbish rather than simply

admit you

were

wrong. So where are the stockpiles that Bush spoke of in

Cincinatee? Where

were the factories that produced these invisible weapons?

Where are the

people who worked in these factories?

Cold hard facts? You wouldn't know one if it bit you on the

*****, Doug.



He thinks all those marks came from mosquitos.....

Doug Says: The Iraqis that worked on the biological weapons have
already submitted testimony that was referenced by Secretary
Powell during his speach in front of the United Nations security
council.
Not less than two dozen chemical labs have already been uncovered
by Dr. Kay's team, and we have captured two mobile biological
weapon labs as well, not to mention found dozens of proscribed
missiles.
Now we have learned that our WMD inspection team has found clear
and irrefutable evidence that Saddam moved his WMD into Syria and
Lebanon prior to the liberation of Iraq - such information has
also been independently confirmed by Israel's intelligence
agencies.
Saddam did possess WMD, and we owe a debt of gratitude to PM
Blair and President Bush for having the resolve to remove Saddam
from power before he could deceive the world into believing he
did not possess, nor would use, WMD.


Cold hard facts? You wouldn't know one if it bit you on the

*****, Doug.
Doug Says: I posted the cold hard facts in my first post, and
have followed them up in this post with irrefutable evidence that
Saddam possessed WMD and moved them into Syria and Lebanon prior
to the liberation of Iraq. That information is precisely what
the experts are saying during live interviews....and that is
precisely why you and your friends should be ordering up a
heaping serving of black bird pie instead of impaling your
credibility by denying know and published facts on this issue.
Doug Grant (Tm)




;-)


.
User: "John Agosta"

Title: Re: President Bush & PM Blair (was Re: SADDAM MOVED WMD 27 Jan 2004 06:47:59 PM
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DGVREIMAN wrote:

We owe a sincere debt of gratitude to President Bush,

Pm

Blair,

PM Howard and the other leaders of the 67 nation

coalition

for

having the foresight and resolve to remove Saddam from

power.

If

not, Saddam's deceptions would have been successful,

and we

would

be facing an enemy armed with WMD that could use them

with

impunity due to an inevitable U.N. erroneous

proclamation

that

Iraq was free of WMD.



you must be getting paid very well, indeed, dougie.


--
TheTruthHurts.


Doug Says: I posted the truth. If Saddam was allowed to

remain

in power, the UN would have never found his hidden WMD

stockpiles


He didn't have any stockpiles as Kay has confirmed. Get up to

speed, Doug.


nor programs...


What programmes?

since they were hidden well and mostly outside of

Iraq.


Can you supply any proof to support that theory? And lying

Israel doesn't

count. As I've always said, the neo-cons are doing all this

to ensure

Israeli dominance in the Middle East, so any evidence Israel

offers is

really just her way of asking the West to fight her battles

for her.


Ergo, when the UN pronounced Saddam clean of WMD, and

sanctions were thereby lifted, Saddam would have simply

retrieved

his WMD and reinitiated his WMD programs.


Enormous amount of projection going on here. Is all this

because you don't

want to admit you were wrong about Saddam and WMD?


However, if Saddam then used those WMD via his Fedayeen or

other

affiliated terrorist groups, then Saddam could have claimed
innocence because the United Nations had previously

announced to

the world that he did not possess WMD!

Saddam's attempt at deceiving the world is now apparent for

all

to see....and if President Bush, PM Blair, PM Howard and

the

leaders of the 67 nation coalition had not seen through

Saddam's

deceptions, not only would Iraq presently possess tons of

WMD,

Saddam would feel free to use them against the West with
impunity.

Those are the cold facts, and facts that you and other
anti-American types need to learn to live with. PM Blair

and

President Bush probably saved the lives of hundreds of

thousands

of people because they had the resolve to remove Saddam

from

power.


They removed from power a man who did not possess the weapons

that they

claimed he had so they actually killed thousands of innocents

for nothing.

You really will talk any amount of rubbish rather than simply

admit you

were

wrong. So where are the stockpiles that Bush spoke of in

Cincinatee? Where

were the factories that produced these invisible weapons?

Where are the

people who worked in these factories?

Cold hard facts? You wouldn't know one if it bit you on the

*****, Doug.



He thinks all those marks came from mosquitos.....


Doug Says: The Iraqis that worked on the biological weapons have
already submitted testimony that was referenced by Secretary
Powell during his speach in front of the United Nations security
council.

Not less than two dozen chemical labs have already been uncovered
by Dr. Kay's team, and we have captured two mobile biological
weapon labs as well, not to mention found dozens of proscribed
missiles.

Now we have learned that our WMD inspection team has found clear
and irrefutable evidence that Saddam moved his WMD into Syria and
Lebanon prior to the liberation of Iraq - such information has
also been independently confirmed by Israel's intelligence
agencies.

Saddam did possess WMD, and we owe a debt of gratitude to PM
Blair and President Bush for having the resolve to remove Saddam
from power before he could deceive the world into believing he
did not possess, nor would use, WMD.


Cold hard facts? You wouldn't know one if it bit you on the

*****, Doug.

Doug Says: I posted the cold hard facts in my first post, and
have followed them up in this post with irrefutable evidence that
Saddam possessed WMD and moved them into Syria and Lebanon prior
to the liberation of Iraq. That information is precisely what
the experts are saying during live interviews....and that is
precisely why you and your friends should be ordering up a
heaping serving of black bird pie instead of impaling your
credibility by denying know and published facts on this issue.

Doug Grant (Tm)


Yep. The most watched nation on the face of the Earth,
under a mincroscope of every nation. And they just happen
to be allowed to move these things elsewhere?
The admin and their crows are changing their stories on a daily basis.
Iraq was no threat to us.
The only threat in Iraq is the one your hero, the Dunce in Chief,
created at a cost of billions and many, many lives, by creating
more anti American sentiment and a less secure environment
for American interests around the globe.
See you in November.
.
User: "DGVREIMAN"

Title: Re: President Bush & PM Blair (was Re: SADDAM MOVED WMD 28 Jan 2004 09:17:03 AM
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DGVREIMAN wrote:

We owe a sincere debt of gratitude to President

Bush,

Pm

Blair,

PM Howard and the other leaders of the 67 nation

coalition

for

having the foresight and resolve to remove Saddam

from

power.

If

not, Saddam's deceptions would have been

successful,

and we

would

be facing an enemy armed with WMD that could use

them

with

impunity due to an inevitable U.N. erroneous

proclamation

that

Iraq was free of WMD.



you must be getting paid very well, indeed, dougie.


--
TheTruthHurts.


Doug Says: I posted the truth. If Saddam was allowed

to

remain

in power, the UN would have never found his hidden WMD

stockpiles


He didn't have any stockpiles as Kay has confirmed. Get

up to

speed, Doug.


nor programs...


What programmes?

since they were hidden well and mostly outside of

Iraq.


Can you supply any proof to support that theory? And

lying

Israel doesn't

count. As I've always said, the neo-cons are doing all

this

to ensure

Israeli dominance in the Middle East, so any evidence

Israel

offers is

really just her way of asking the West to fight her

battles

for her.


Ergo, when the UN pronounced Saddam clean of WMD, and

sanctions were thereby lifted, Saddam would have simply

retrieved

his WMD and reinitiated his WMD programs.


Enormous amount of projection going on here. Is all this

because you don't

want to admit you were wrong about Saddam and WMD?


However, if Saddam then used those WMD via his Fedayeen

or

other

affiliated terrorist groups, then Saddam could have

claimed

innocence because the United Nations had previously

announced to

the world that he did not possess WMD!

Saddam's attempt at deceiving the world is now apparent

for

all

to see....and if President Bush, PM Blair, PM Howard

and

the

leaders of the 67 nation coalition had not seen through

Saddam's

deceptions, not only would Iraq presently possess tons

of

WMD,

Saddam would feel free to use them against the West

with

impunity.

Those are the cold facts, and facts that you and other
anti-American types need to learn to live with. PM

Blair

and

President Bush probably saved the lives of hundreds of

thousands

of people because they had the resolve to remove Saddam

from

power.


They removed from power a man who did not possess the

weapons

that they

claimed he had so they actually killed thousands of

innocents

for nothing.

You really will talk any amount of rubbish rather than

simply

admit you

were

wrong. So where are the stockpiles that Bush spoke of in

Cincinatee? Where

were the factories that produced these invisible weapons?

Where are the

people who worked in these factories?

Cold hard facts? You wouldn't know one if it bit you on

the

*****, Doug.



He thinks all those marks came from mosquitos.....


Doug Says: The Iraqis that worked on the biological weapons

have

already submitted testimony that was referenced by Secretary
Powell during his speach in front of the United Nations

security

council.

Not less than two dozen chemical labs have already been

uncovered

by Dr. Kay's team, and we have captured two mobile biological
weapon labs as well, not to mention found dozens of

proscribed

missiles.

Now we have learned that our WMD inspection team has found

clear

and irrefutable evidence that Saddam moved his WMD into Syria

and

Lebanon prior to the liberation of Iraq - such information

has

also been independently confirmed by Israel's intelligence
agencies.

Saddam did possess WMD, and we owe a debt of gratitude to PM
Blair and President Bush for having the resolve to remove

Saddam

from power before he could deceive the world into believing

he

did not possess, nor would use, WMD.


Cold hard facts? You wouldn't know one if it bit you on the

*****, Doug.

Doug Says: I posted the cold hard facts in my first post,

and

have followed them up in this post with irrefutable evidence

that

Saddam possessed WMD and moved them into Syria and Lebanon

prior

to the liberation of Iraq. That information is precisely

what

the experts are saying during live interviews....and that is
precisely why you and your friends should be ordering up a
heaping serving of black bird pie instead of impaling your
credibility by denying know and published facts on this

issue.


Doug Grant (Tm)



Yep. The most watched nation on the face of the Earth,
under a mincroscope of every nation. And they just happen
to be allowed to move these things elsewhere?

Doug Says: Duh, Satellites cannot see inside covered trucks or
disguised ambulances such as was reported that Saddam used to
move some of his WMD into Syria and Lebanon. I should also
mention that Saddam did destroy some of his old and degrading
stockpiles of WMD in the mid 1990's - but NOT under the
supervision of the UN which was required if he wanted those
weapons to be accounted for as destroyed.


The admin and their crows are changing their stories on a daily

basis.

Iraq was no threat to us.

The only threat in Iraq is the one your hero, the Dunce in

Chief,

created at a cost of billions and many, many lives, by creating
more anti American sentiment and a less secure environment
for American interests around the globe.

Doug Says: Saddam was a threat to not only the USA but the
entire free world. Saddam not only was financing and arming
terrorists (as verified by CBS's 60 Minutes which aired the find
of the documents linking Saddam to Haamas and the PLO) he also
had built his own Fedayeen terrorist organization that was
dealing with and directly connected with Ansar-Al Islam which is
a faction of Al Qaeda.
Meanwhile, Saddam was hiding WMD in Lebanon and Syria, thereby
insuring the UN inspectors would not find WMD in Iraq and would
consequently lift sanctions and provide Saddam with a "clean
bill" to retrieve his WMD and give them to the terrorist
organization he was building and those he was supporting.
If you do not call that a threat, then you have your head in the
sand.


See you in November.

Doug Says: If John Kerry gets the Democratic nomination, then
you might as well live with the fact that President Bush will be
around for another four years....traitors are not elected to the
Presidency in this country.
Doug Grant (Tm)


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Title: Re: President Bush & PM Blair (was Re: SADDAM MOVED WMD 28 Jan 2004 12:24:47 PM
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DGVREIMAN wrote:

Snipped non relevant parts out


Yep. The most watched nation on the face of the Earth,
under a mincroscope of every nation. And they just happen
to be allowed to move these things elsewhere?


Doug Says: Duh, Satellites cannot see inside covered trucks or
disguised ambulances such as was reported that Saddam used to
move some of his WMD into Syria and Lebanon. I should also
mention that Saddam did destroy some of his old and degrading
stockpiles of WMD in the mid 1990's - but NOT under the
supervision of the UN which was required if he wanted those
weapons to be accounted for as destroyed.



Read this again:
The admin and their crows are changing their stories on a daily
basis. And you always buy into the excuse of the day.
Iraq was no threat to us.
The only threat in Iraq is the one your hero, the Dunce in
Chief, created at a cost of billions and many, many lives, by creating
more anti American sentiment and a less secure environment
for American interests around the globe.

Doug Says: Saddam was a threat to not only the USA but the
entire free world. Saddam not only was financing and arming
terrorists (as verified by CBS's 60 Minutes which aired the find
of the documents linking Saddam to Haamas and the PLO) he also
had built his own Fedayeen terrorist organization that was
dealing with and directly connected with Ansar-Al Islam which is
a faction of Al Qaeda.

Hammas, the PLO, and Irsael are different stories.
And I never heard any arguments before the war by this administration
that we need to get our family members killed to fight Israel's war.
You frickin idiot!
Are you trying to justify the United States getting our boys killed,
having the entire planet against us, and tossing 200 billion down the drain
because of the Israeli problem ?
Let Israel fight their own damn war. If this administration got our boys
killed
and pissed away our economic security in order to fight someone else's war,
then the whole lot of them should not only be tarred and feathered, but sent
to
Texas for a nap in the gas chamber, too.
That Hammas connection is the most ridiculous thing you've ever said.
No, wait....second most. And you've said a lot of ridiculous things here!

Meanwhile, Saddam was hiding WMD in Lebanon and Syria, thereby
insuring the UN inspectors would not find WMD in Iraq and would
consequently lift sanctions and provide Saddam with a "clean
bill" to retrieve his WMD and give them to the terrorist
organization he was building and those he was supporting.

If you do not call that a threat, then you have your head in the
sand.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Story of the day.
Let's start another wave of fear.
Let's get that Syrian invasion going.
There's an election to win!
This admin changes stoies like the Himalayan weather.
The only consistent thing about the lot of them is how they pass the buck,
and blame everyone else among them. No one has a grip. They're all lying
to save their behinds. As plain as the nose on your face.
But you can't see it, because your nose is buried way up GWB's behind.
You got until November to "moo" all you want.
Enjoy it while it lasts....
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DGVREIMAN wrote:

We owe a sincere debt of gratitude to President Bush,

Pm

Blair,

PM Howard and the other leaders of the 67 nation

coalition

for

having the foresight and resolve to remove Saddam from

power.

If

not, Saddam's deceptions would have been successful,

and we

would

be facing an enemy armed with WMD that could use them

with

impunity due to an inevitable U.N. erroneous

proclamation

that

Iraq was free of WMD.



you must be getting paid very well, indeed, dougie.


--
TheTruthHurts.


Doug Says: I posted the truth. If Saddam was allowed to

remain

in power, the UN would have never found his hidden WMD

stockpiles


He didn't have any stockpiles as Kay has confirmed. Get up to

speed, Doug.


nor programs...


What programmes?

since they were hidden well and mostly outside of

Iraq.


Can you supply any proof to support that theory? And lying

Israel doesn't

count. As I've always said, the neo-cons are doing all this

to ensure

Israeli dominance in the Middle East, so any evidence Israel

offers is

really just her way of asking the West to fight her battles

for her.


Ergo, when the UN pronounced Saddam clean of WMD, and

sanctions were thereby lifted, Saddam would have simply

retrieved

his WMD and reinitiated his WMD programs.


Enormous amount of projection going on here. Is all this

because you don't

want to admit you were wrong about Saddam and WMD?


However, if Saddam then used those WMD via his Fedayeen or

other

affiliated terrorist groups, then Saddam could have claimed
innocence because the United Nations had previously

announced to

the world that he did not possess WMD!

Saddam's attempt at deceiving the world is now apparent for

all

to see....and if President Bush, PM Blair, PM Howard and

the

leaders of the 67 nation coalition had not seen through

Saddam's

deceptions, not only would Iraq presently possess tons of

WMD,

Saddam would feel free to use them against the West with
impunity.

Those are the cold facts, and facts that you and other
anti-American types need to learn to live with. PM Blair

and

President Bush probably saved the lives of hundreds of

thousands

of people because they had the resolve to remove Saddam

from

power.


They removed from power a man who did not possess the weapons

that they

claimed he had so they actually killed thousands of innocents

for nothing.

You really will talk any amount of rubbish rather than simply

admit you

were

wrong. So where are the stockpiles that Bush spoke of in

Cincinatee? Where

were the factories that produced these invisible weapons?

Where are the

people who worked in these factories?

Cold hard facts? You wouldn't know one if it bit you on the

*****, Doug.



He thinks all those marks came from mosquitos.....


Doug Says: The Iraqis that worked on the biological weapons have
already submitted testimony that was referenced by Secretary
Powell during his speach in front of the United Nations security
council.

Nonsense. Defectors have been shown to have lied time and time again and
Americans were stupid enough to swallow them.
Where are the biological weapons then? Answer - nowhere.


Not less than two dozen chemical labs have already been uncovered
by Dr. Kay's team,

Again, you talk deliberate nonsense. Two dozen labs "capable of producing
chemical weapons" have been found. Any modern labority is "capable" of
producing chemical weapons. Tell me, did they find any proof that those labs
were producing chemical weapons? Answer - No.
and we have captured two mobile biological

weapon labs as well, not to mention found dozens of proscribed
missiles.

The two "mobile biological weapons labs" have been found to be no such
thing. But then you knew that didn't you, Doug? You simply can't give up on
the lie.


Now we have learned that our WMD inspection team has found clear
and irrefutable evidence that Saddam moved his WMD into Syria and
Lebanon prior to the liberation of Iraq - such information has
also been independently confirmed by Israel's intelligence
agencies.

There is no proof whatsoever that WMD were moved to Syria. The fact that
Israel wants another of it's enemies attacked so it can hold on to the Golan
Heights does not count as proof in any sane persons book.


Saddam did possess WMD, and we owe a debt of gratitude to PM
Blair and President Bush for having the resolve to remove Saddam
from power before he could deceive the world into believing he
did not possess, nor would use, WMD.

Even Bush no longer claims that Saddam "possessed" WMD. What planet are you
on?


Cold hard facts? You wouldn't know one if it bit you on the

*****, Doug.

Doug Says: I posted the cold hard facts in my first post, and
have followed them up in this post with irrefutable evidence that
Saddam possessed WMD and moved them into Syria and Lebanon prior
to the liberation of Iraq.

You have never supplied a single piece of "irrefutable evidence". Care to
correct that here? Supply the evidence that your government cannot. Go on,
Doug.
That information is precisely what

the experts are saying during live interviews....

The opinion of one expert during a live interview is not "irrefutable
evidence". Furthermore, Kay did not say what you are claiming he said. He
said that there was movement between Iraq and Syria but he could not confirm
that this movement was of WMD as Syria refused to co-operate. Kay also went
on to say (in case your addled brain missed it) that he did not believe that
Saddam possessed WMD. Does that count as "irrefutable evidence" in your
book?
and that is

precisely why you and your friends should be ordering up a
heaping serving of black bird pie instead of impaling your
credibility by denying know and published facts on this issue.

Eat crow, Doug. You always stated that your military friends had told you
that Bush was going to produce the stockpiles of WMD and that the rest of us
were going to eat crow. You were totally and completely wrong. Now, slurp
up.
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User: "SmirkS"

Title: Re: President Bush & PM Blair (was Re: SADDAM MOVED WMD 27 Jan 2004 11:12:06 AM
DGVREIMAN wrote:

I posted the truth. If Saddam was allowed to remain
in power, the UN would have never found his hidden WMD stockpiles
nor programs...since they were hidden well and mostly outside of
Iraq.

well... i believe that you believe that you post the truth.
and i believe that gw believes that he did the right thing, too.
however, i don't believe either one of you are right.
--
TheTruthHurts.
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User: "Harry Grogan"

Title: Re: SADDAM MOVED WMD 26 Jan 2004 06:09:44 AM