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SADDAM'S WMD MYSTERY SOLVED
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Yesterday, the team that was searching for WMD in Iraq decided to
call it quits and stop looking for WMD in Iraq. This team is
filing an additional report, and some of the leaks coming from
the team are *very* interesting. As an example:
We all knew that Saddam possessed WMD. We (America) said so, the
UN said so and even made that specific claim in the language of
Resolution 1441. All free world intelligence agencies and bureaus
confirmed Saddam's possession of WMD. The UN inspectors in 1998,
before Saddam kicked them out, had tagged and identified
thousands of tons of WMD - but we have yet to find the stockpiles
of WMD we all knew Saddam possessed. We have in fact discovered a
few Artillery shells containing chemical weapons in Iraq, and
Mobile Biological Weapon Labs, and 400,000 tons of conventional
weapons and explosives, 51 Mig Aircraft, hundreds of proscribed
missiles and about a dozen rockets also full of chemical weapons,
so in truth we have found WMD in Iraq, but we have not found the
large *stockpiles* of Iraqi WMD that the UN inspectors had
identified in 1998.
So what happened to these WMD?
I reported about three months before the liberation invasion
began, on this newsgroup, that Saddam had moved some of his WMD
into Syria. I based my statement that Saddam had moved his WMD on
a treaty that I found between Saddam and King Bashar Assad of
Syria. That treaty calls for Iraqi weapons to be moved into Syria
and onto Syria's borders. The treaty was a mutual protection
treaty designed to protect both nations - and might be part of
the reason Syria is sending in insurgents to help the Baathist
and radical Muslims attack coalition troops.
(I cannot imagine why the main stream press has consistently
ignored the treaty between Saddam and Syria, as that treaty
openly requires Saddam to move some of his weapons into Syria).
My suspicions that Saddam moved his WMD out of Iraq have been
confirmed by the new WMD team's report. It seems that right
before the liberation invasion there was a steady stream of
trucks and ambulances moving from known chemical weapon centers
in Iraq directly into Syria - convoy after convoy - stream after
stream of trucks going from Chemical Weapon sites in Iraq into
Syria. Gosh, could that mean Saddam moved his WMD into Syria just
like I reported he did three months before the Iraqi liberation
invasion? Of course, and this is especially evident when you
consider the alternatives:
1. If Saddam destroyed his weapons of mass destruction the UN
inspectors and the coalition team of inspectors would have been
able to prove that destruction simply by analyzing the
destruction sites. But there was no evidence of any destruction
of WMD at the known WMD sites. Does that mean Saddam moved his
WMD to some other location and destroyed them? That would be
almost impossible. Saddam would have needed to build a complete
new facility at the new location to be able to destroy VX and the
other chemical weapons he produced. That did not happen, so
either Saddam destroyed his WMD at their production sites, which
is clearly not the case, or he moved them to a new location
clearly outside of Iraq - which explains all those truck and
ambulance convoys moving from known WMD sites into Syria.
2. Saddam was almost desperate to have UN Sanctions removed, and
he bribed UN officials, French, Russian and Chinese politicians
with oil vouchers to help him shake off USA and British
insistence that Saddam comply with not less than 17 UN
resolutions. So if Saddam had in fact destroyed his WMD, he would
have been most eager to show the UN inspectors and the world
evidence of that destruction, and he would have invited
verification of that destruction - but even today Saddam is
staying mum about that issue. Saddam expects his Syrian friends
to intervene for him at his forthcoming trial, and offer him
sanctuary, or even stage a commando raid to free him and take him
to Syria. So I doubt, until the noose starts to tighten around
Saddam's neck, Saddam will start to talk about where he hid his
WMD - and in that respect you can bet that agents of Iran and
Syria would love to slip Saddam a little black pill before he
starts to blabber about how his *allies* (with the help of UN
Security Council members) spirted away his WMD into Syria and
Lebanon, and Iran.
We also have learned from the Duelfer report that Saddam was
bribing France, Russia and was purchasing proscribed war
materials from Germany, Russia and Jordan. In fact, we know
positively that France sold its UN Security Council Veto to
Saddam for a healthy bribe paid in oil vouchers to the big French
Oil Company named "Total." (Two executives from the French Total
company have been indicted over taking these bribes from Saddam,
and these executives lead directly to a close associate of French
President Jacques Chirac. Documents that the Duelfer report found
clearly state that a French official promised to veto any
American UN action to invade Iraq in exchange for millions of
dollars in oil voucher bribes from Saddam- do a search on
www.google.com "Duelfer Report.").
We also know the UN itself was on the take from Saddam, even Kofi
Annan, through his son is involved, and the UN officials hate
President Bush for uncovering this massive bribing scheme that in
truth does not stop with just bribes coming from Saddam - the
Arab League is also involved in bribing UN officials for decades,
and that fact will come out eventually. No wonder President Bush
was threatened with a veto from France if he called for a United
Nations vote to use force against Iraq. (President Bush had the
votes in the Security Council to pass the resolution to remove
Saddam by force, but he did not press the resolution because
France announced before the vote that if the USA won the vote
they would veto the resolution. According to the Duelfer report,
France *sold* its veto power to Saddam for oil voucher bribes!)
So we now know from the prestigious and comprehensive Duelfer
report that France and the United Nations were taking bribes from
Saddam, and we also know how France and the UN delivered services
to Saddam in exchange for those bribes. But what about Russia?
The Duelfer report states that Russia also was receiving a
tremendous amount of oil vouchers (bribes) from Saddam, and many
of those vouchers went to high-level Russian politicians. So what
did Russia do to deserve all those bribes, and what did Russia do
for Saddam in return for those bribes?
France, the UN, and Russia knew that if we invaded Iraq and found
stockpiles of WMD, our liberation invasion would be completely
vindicated in the eyes of the world. If our troops found
stockpiles of WMD, the Russians, French and UN officials knew we
could trace the origin of those WMD. They also knew there would
be smoking gun type evidence that all those that were taking
bribes from Saddam were colluding to stop the USA from removing a
great threat to its nation's security. So to protect this obvious
conspiracy to take bribes from Saddam regardless of the threat
that Saddam posed to the USA - the Russians, French and the UN
officials clearly decided that Saddam's WMD should "disappear"
before the liberation invasion.
Now, finally, we have uncovered the truth about Saddam's missing
stockpiles of Weapons of Mass Destruction. Here is an excerpt
from a breaking story from the Washington Times that confirms the
points I am making in this article:
"Russia tied to Iraq's missing arms
By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Russian special forces troops moved many of Saddam Hussein's
weapons and related goods out of Iraq and into Syria in the weeks
before the March 2003 U.S. military operation, The Washington
Times has learned.
John A. Shaw, the deputy undersecretary of defense for
international technology security, said in an interview that he
believes the Russian troops, working with Iraqi intelligence,
"almost certainly" removed the high-explosive material that went
missing from the Al-Qaqaa facility, south of Baghdad.
"The Russians brought in, just before the war got started, a
whole series of military units," Mr. Shaw said. "Their main job
was to shred all evidence of any of the contractual arrangements
they
had with the Iraqis. The others were transportation units."
Mr. Shaw, who was in charge of cataloging the tons of
conventional arms provided to Iraq by foreign suppliers, said he
recently obtained reliable information on the arms-dispersal
program
from two European intelligence services that have detailed
knowledge of the Russian-Iraqi weapons collaboration.
Most of Saddam's most powerful arms were systematically separated
from other arms like mortars, bombs and rockets, and sent to
Syria and Lebanon, and possibly to Iran, he said.
The Russian involvement in helping disperse Saddam's weapons,
including some 380 tons of RDX and HMX, is still being
investigated, Mr. Shaw said.
The RDX and HMX, which are used to manufacture high-explosive and
nuclear weapons, are probably of Russian origin, he said.
Al-Qaqaa, a known Iraqi weapons site, was monitored closely, Mr.
Shaw said. That was such a pivotal location, Number 1, that the
mere fact of [special explosives] disappearing was impossible,"
Mr. Shaw said.
"And Number 2, if the stuff disappeared, it had to have gone
before we got there."
The Pentagon disclosed yesterday that the Al-Qaqaa facility was
defended by Fedayeen Saddam, Special Republican Guard and other
Iraqi military units during the conflict. U.S. forces defeated
the defenders around April 3 and found the gates to the facility
open, the Pentagon said in a statement yesterday. A military unit
in charge of searching for weapons, the Army's
75th Exploitation Task Force, then inspected Al-Qaqaa on May 8,
May 11 and May 27, 2003, and found no high explosives that had
been monitored in the past by the IAEA.
The Pentagon said there was no evidence of large-scale movement
of explosives from the facility after April 6. "The movement of
377 tons of heavy ordnance would have required dozens of heavy
trucks and equipment moving along the same roadways as U.S.
combat divisions occupied continually for weeks prior to and
subsequent to the 3rd Infantry Division's arrival at the
facility," the statement said.
The statement also said that the material may have been removed
from the site by Saddam's regime. According to the Pentagon, U.N.
arms inspectors sealed the explosives at Al-Qaqaa in January 2003
and revisited the site in March and noted that the seals were not
broken. It is not known whether the inspectors saw the explosives
in March. The U.N. team left the country before the U.S.-led
invasion began March 20, 2003.
A second defense official said documents on the Russian support
to Iraq reveal that Saddam's government paid the Kremlin for the
special forces to provide security for Iraq's Russian arms and to
conduct counterintelligence activities designed to prevent U.S.
and Western intelligence services from learning about the arms
pipeline through Syria.
The Russian arms-removal program was initiated after Yevgeny
Primakov, the former Russian intelligence chief, could not
persuade Saddam to give in to U.S. and Western demands, this
official said. A small portion of Iraq's 650,000 tons to 1
million tons of conventional arms that were found after the war
were looted after the U.S.-led invasion, Mr. Shaw said. Russia
was Iraq's largest foreign supplier of weaponry, he said.
However, the most important and useful arms and explosives appear
to have been separated and moved out as part of carefully
designed program. "The organized effort was done in advance of
the conflict," Mr. Shaw said.
The Russian forces were tasked with moving special arms out of
the country. Mr. Shaw said foreign intelligence officials believe
the Russians worked with Saddam's Mukhabarat intelligence service
to separate out special weapons, including high explosives and
other arms and related technology, from standard conventional
arms spread out in some 200 arms depots.
The Russian weapons were then sent out of the country to Syria,
and possibly Lebanon in Russian trucks, Mr. Shaw said.
Mr. Shaw said he believes that the withdrawal of Russian-made
weapons and explosives from Iraq was part of plan by Saddam to
set up a "redoubt" in Syria that could be used as a base for
launching pro-Saddam insurgency operations in Iraq.
The Russian units were dispatched beginning in January 2003 and
by March had destroyed hundreds of pages of documents on Russian
arms supplies to Iraq while dispersing arms to Syria, the second
official said.
Besides their own weapons, the Russians were supplying Saddam
with arms made in Ukraine, Belarus, Bulgaria and other Eastern
European nations, he said.
"Whatever was not buried was put on lorries and sent to the
Syrian border," the defense official said. Documents reviewed by
the official included itineraries of military units involved in
the truck shipments to Syria. The materials outlined in the
documents included missile components, MiG jet parts, tank parts
and chemicals used to make chemical weapons, the official said.
The director of the Iraqi government front company known as the
Al Bashair Trading Co. fled to Syria, where he is in charge of
monitoring arms holdings and funding Iraqi insurgent activities,
the official said.
Also, an Arabic-language report obtained by U.S. intelligence
disclosed the extent of Russian armaments. The 26-page report was
written by Abdul Tawab Mullah al Huwaysh, Saddam's minister of
military industrialization, who was captured by U.S. forces May
2, 2003.
The Russian "spetsnaz" or special-operations forces were under
the GRU military intelligence service and organized large
commercial truck convoys for the weapons removal, the official
said. Regarding the explosives, the new Iraqi government reported
that 194.7 metric tons of HMX, or high-melting-point explosive,
and 141.2 metric tons of RDX, or rapid-detonation explosive, and
5.8 metric tons of PETN, or pentaerythritol tetranitrate, were
missing. The material is used in nuclear weapons and also in
making military "plastic" high explosive. Defense officials said
the Russians can provide information on what happened to the
Iraqi weapons and explosives that were transported out of the
country. Officials believe the Russians also can explain what
happened to Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs."
End Excerpts from the Washington Times:
Doug Says: To add to the overwhelming evidence that Saddam was
moving his WMD, consider also the new evidence taken directly
from the UN inspectors own documents: In January 2003, (before
the war started) the UN logs of the inspectors show that all
explosives that were found at the Al-Qaqaa facility represented
150 tons LESS than what the UN inspectors found at the same
facility just a few months before! Obviously, Saddam was moving
these explosives out of the Al-Qaqaa facility long before the
liberation invasion began. The UN logs noting the missing
explosives before the war started prove that fact irrefutably.
(It is naive to believe that Saddam would move his HDX and RDX
explosives into Syria, but not also move his WMD stockpiles as
well. Clearly Saddam was moving weapons and explosives into other
countries immediately prior to the war).
The UN also noted on their logs that the seals on the bunkers
were only partially effective due to the wide-open ventilation
shafts in each bunker.
The Pentagon has confirmed today that Satellite photos clearly
show large Iraqi truck activity at the Al-Qaqaa facility just
before the liberation invasion began. The Pentagon has also
stated they have Satellite photos of convoys of trucks leaving
Iraq and driving into Syria before the liberation invasion began.
Maj. Gen Bround of the 3rd Infantry Div. said Saddam had already
moved the explosives before we invaded. General Bround confirmed
there were no HDX nor RDX explosives at the Al-Qaqaa facility
when the 3rd Infantry Division arrived at the Al-Qaqaa facility.
We now know positively what happened to Saddam's WMD - and
clearly Saddam *did possess* the WMD that President Bush and the
world said he possessed. We also know why the French, Germans and
Russians so vehemently opposed the US's desire to remove Saddam
as a threat to the world. It is called, lies, deceit, intrigue,
and oil money into the pockets of powerful people.
Now we finally know the truth. We also finally know for sure what
President Bush, PM Blair, PM Howard and the other leaders of the
28 nation coalition did in respect to liberating Iraq was just in
the nick of time.
It is time for all those Bush detractors to pull up to the table
and start munching on a giant portion of Blackbird pie - and
while choking on the baked Crow, all those screaming liberals
should be mumbling at least one giant apology to the American
people and the rest of the world for the outrageous and
fraudulent advertisements and accusations they have leveled
against the Bush administration for liberating Iraq - we did it
just in the nick of time.
Doug Grant (Tm)
.

User: "ouroboros rex"
Title: Re: SADDAM'S WMD MYSTERY SOLVED	13 Jan 2005 01:57:47 PM

"DGVREIMAN" <DGVREIMAN@COMCAST.NET> wrote in message
news:OsGdnaQz1qIXA3vcRVn-rQ@comcast.com...

lie
- but we have yet to find the stockpiles

of WMD we all knew Saddam possessed. We have in fact discovered a few
Artillery shells containing chemical weapons in Iraq, and Mobile
Biological Weapon Labs,

lie
and 400,000 tons of conventional

weapons and explosives, 51 Mig Aircraft, hundreds of proscribed missiles

lie
and about a dozen rockets also full of chemical weapons,

so in truth we have found WMD in Iraq, but we have not found the large
*stockpiles* of Iraqi WMD that the UN inspectors had identified in 1998.

So what happened to these WMD?

They were rotten, unusable.
Many more lies below. lol

I reported about three months before the liberation invasion began, on
this newsgroup, that Saddam had moved some of his WMD into Syria. I based
my statement that Saddam had moved his WMD on a treaty that I found
between Saddam and King Bashar Assad of Syria. That treaty calls for Iraqi
weapons to be moved into Syria and onto Syria's borders. The treaty was a
mutual protection treaty designed to protect both nations - and might be
part of the reason Syria is sending in insurgents to help the Baathist and
radical Muslims attack coalition troops.

(I cannot imagine why the main stream press has consistently ignored the
treaty between Saddam and Syria, as that treaty openly requires Saddam to
move some of his weapons into Syria).

My suspicions that Saddam moved his WMD out of Iraq have been confirmed by
the new WMD team's report. It seems that right before the liberation
invasion there was a steady stream of trucks and ambulances moving from
known chemical weapon centers in Iraq directly into Syria - convoy after
convoy - stream after stream of trucks going from Chemical Weapon sites in
Iraq into Syria. Gosh, could that mean Saddam moved his WMD into Syria
just like I reported he did three months before the Iraqi liberation
invasion? Of course, and this is especially evident when you consider the
alternatives:

1. If Saddam destroyed his weapons of mass destruction the UN inspectors
and the coalition team of inspectors would have been able to prove that
destruction simply by analyzing the destruction sites. But there was no
evidence of any destruction of WMD at the known WMD sites. Does that mean
Saddam moved his WMD to some other location and destroyed them? That would
be almost impossible. Saddam would have needed to build a complete new
facility at the new location to be able to destroy VX and the other
chemical weapons he produced. That did not happen, so either Saddam
destroyed his WMD at their production sites, which is clearly not the
case, or he moved them to a new location clearly outside of Iraq - which
explains all those truck and ambulance convoys moving from known WMD sites
into Syria.

2. Saddam was almost desperate to have UN Sanctions removed, and he bribed
UN officials, French, Russian and Chinese politicians with oil vouchers to
help him shake off USA and British insistence that Saddam comply with not
less than 17 UN resolutions. So if Saddam had in fact destroyed his WMD,
he would have been most eager to show the UN inspectors and the world
evidence of that destruction, and he would have invited verification of
that destruction - but even today Saddam is staying mum about that issue.
Saddam expects his Syrian friends to intervene for him at his forthcoming
trial, and offer him sanctuary, or even stage a commando raid to free him
and take him to Syria. So I doubt, until the noose starts to tighten
around Saddam's neck, Saddam will start to talk about where he hid his
WMD - and in that respect you can bet that agents of Iran and Syria would
love to slip Saddam a little black pill before he starts to blabber about
how his *allies* (with the help of UN Security Council members) spirted
away his WMD into Syria and Lebanon, and Iran.

We also have learned from the Duelfer report that Saddam was bribing
France, Russia and was purchasing proscribed war materials from Germany,
Russia and Jordan. In fact, we know positively that France sold its UN
Security Council Veto to Saddam for a healthy bribe paid in oil vouchers
to the big French Oil Company named "Total." (Two executives from the
French Total company have been indicted over taking these bribes from
Saddam, and these executives lead directly to a close associate of French
President Jacques Chirac. Documents that the Duelfer report found clearly
state that a French official promised to veto any American UN action to
invade Iraq in exchange for millions of dollars in oil voucher bribes from
Saddam- do a search on www.google.com "Duelfer Report.").

We also know the UN itself was on the take from Saddam, even Kofi Annan,
through his son is involved, and the UN officials hate President Bush for
uncovering this massive bribing scheme that in truth does not stop with
just bribes coming from Saddam - the Arab League is also involved in
bribing UN officials for decades, and that fact will come out eventually.
No wonder President Bush was threatened with a veto from France if he
called for a United Nations vote to use force against Iraq. (President
Bush had the votes in the Security Council to pass the resolution to
remove Saddam by force, but he did not press the resolution because France
announced before the vote that if the USA won the vote they would veto the
resolution. According to the Duelfer report, France *sold* its veto power
to Saddam for oil voucher bribes!)

So we now know from the prestigious and comprehensive Duelfer report that
France and the United Nations were taking bribes from Saddam, and we also
know how France and the UN delivered services to Saddam in exchange for
those bribes. But what about Russia? The Duelfer report states that Russia
also was receiving a tremendous amount of oil vouchers (bribes) from
Saddam, and many of those vouchers went to high-level Russian politicians.
So what did Russia do to deserve all those bribes, and what did Russia do
for Saddam in return for those bribes?

France, the UN, and Russia knew that if we invaded Iraq and found
stockpiles of WMD, our liberation invasion would be completely vindicated
in the eyes of the world. If our troops found stockpiles of WMD, the
Russians, French and UN officials knew we could trace the origin of those
WMD. They also knew there would be smoking gun type evidence that all
those that were taking bribes from Saddam were colluding to stop the USA
from removing a great threat to its nation's security. So to protect this
obvious conspiracy to take bribes from Saddam regardless of the threat
that Saddam posed to the USA - the Russians, French and the UN officials
clearly decided that Saddam's WMD should "disappear" before the liberation
invasion.

Now, finally, we have uncovered the truth about Saddam's missing
stockpiles of Weapons of Mass Destruction. Here is an excerpt from a
breaking story from the Washington Times that confirms the points I am
making in this article:

"Russia tied to Iraq's missing arms

By Bill Gertz

THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Russian special forces troops moved many of Saddam Hussein's weapons and
related goods out of Iraq and into Syria in the weeks before the March
2003 U.S. military operation, The Washington Times has learned.

John A. Shaw, the deputy undersecretary of defense for international
technology security, said in an interview that he believes the Russian
troops, working with Iraqi intelligence, "almost certainly" removed the
high-explosive material that went missing from the Al-Qaqaa facility,
south of Baghdad.

"The Russians brought in, just before the war got started, a whole series
of military units," Mr. Shaw said. "Their main job was to shred all
evidence of any of the contractual arrangements they

had with the Iraqis. The others were transportation units."

Mr. Shaw, who was in charge of cataloging the tons of conventional arms
provided to Iraq by foreign suppliers, said he recently obtained reliable
information on the arms-dispersal program

from two European intelligence services that have detailed knowledge of
the Russian-Iraqi weapons collaboration.

Most of Saddam's most powerful arms were systematically separated from
other arms like mortars, bombs and rockets, and sent to Syria and Lebanon,
and possibly to Iran, he said.

The Russian involvement in helping disperse Saddam's weapons, including
some 380 tons of RDX and HMX, is still being investigated, Mr. Shaw said.

The RDX and HMX, which are used to manufacture high-explosive and nuclear
weapons, are probably of Russian origin, he said.

Al-Qaqaa, a known Iraqi weapons site, was monitored closely, Mr. Shaw
said. That was such a pivotal location, Number 1, that the mere fact of
[special explosives] disappearing was impossible," Mr. Shaw said.

"And Number 2, if the stuff disappeared, it had to have gone before we got
there."

The Pentagon disclosed yesterday that the Al-Qaqaa facility was defended
by Fedayeen Saddam, Special Republican Guard and other Iraqi military
units during the conflict. U.S. forces defeated the defenders around April
3 and found the gates to the facility open, the Pentagon said in a
statement yesterday. A military unit in charge of searching for weapons,
the Army's

75th Exploitation Task Force, then inspected Al-Qaqaa on May 8, May 11 and
May 27, 2003, and found no high explosives that had been monitored in the
past by the IAEA.

The Pentagon said there was no evidence of large-scale movement of
explosives from the facility after April 6. "The movement of 377 tons of
heavy ordnance would have required dozens of heavy trucks and equipment
moving along the same roadways as U.S. combat divisions occupied
continually for weeks prior to and subsequent to the 3rd Infantry
Division's arrival at the facility," the statement said.

The statement also said that the material may have been removed from the
site by Saddam's regime. According to the Pentagon, U.N. arms inspectors
sealed the explosives at Al-Qaqaa in January 2003 and revisited the site
in March and noted that the seals were not broken. It is not known whether
the inspectors saw the explosives in March. The U.N. team left the country
before the U.S.-led invasion began March 20, 2003.

A second defense official said documents on the Russian support to Iraq
reveal that Saddam's government paid the Kremlin for the special forces to
provide security for Iraq's Russian arms and to conduct
counterintelligence activities designed to prevent U.S. and Western
intelligence services from learning about the arms pipeline through Syria.

The Russian arms-removal program was initiated after Yevgeny Primakov, the
former Russian intelligence chief, could not persuade Saddam to give in to
U.S. and Western demands, this official said. A small portion of Iraq's
650,000 tons to 1 million tons of conventional arms that were found after
the war were looted after the U.S.-led invasion, Mr. Shaw said. Russia was
Iraq's largest foreign supplier of weaponry, he said.

However, the most important and useful arms and explosives appear to have
been separated and moved out as part of carefully designed program. "The
organized effort was done in advance of the conflict," Mr. Shaw said.

The Russian forces were tasked with moving special arms out of the
country. Mr. Shaw said foreign intelligence officials believe the Russians
worked with Saddam's Mukhabarat intelligence service to separate out
special weapons, including high explosives and other arms and related
technology, from standard conventional arms spread out in some 200 arms
depots.

The Russian weapons were then sent out of the country to Syria, and
possibly Lebanon in Russian trucks, Mr. Shaw said.

Mr. Shaw said he believes that the withdrawal of Russian-made weapons and
explosives from Iraq was part of plan by Saddam to set up a "redoubt" in
Syria that could be used as a base for launching pro-Saddam insurgency
operations in Iraq.

The Russian units were dispatched beginning in January 2003 and by March
had destroyed hundreds of pages of documents on Russian arms supplies to
Iraq while dispersing arms to Syria, the second official said.

Besides their own weapons, the Russians were supplying Saddam with arms
made in Ukraine, Belarus, Bulgaria and other Eastern European nations, he
said.

"Whatever was not buried was put on lorries and sent to the Syrian
border," the defense official said. Documents reviewed by the official
included itineraries of military units involved in the truck shipments to
Syria. The materials outlined in the documents included missile
components, MiG jet parts, tank parts and chemicals used to make chemical
weapons, the official said.

The director of the Iraqi government front company known as the Al Bashair
Trading Co. fled to Syria, where he is in charge of monitoring arms
holdings and funding Iraqi insurgent activities, the official said.

Also, an Arabic-language report obtained by U.S. intelligence disclosed
the extent of Russian armaments. The 26-page report was written by Abdul
Tawab Mullah al Huwaysh, Saddam's minister of military industrialization,
who was captured by U.S. forces May 2, 2003.

The Russian "spetsnaz" or special-operations forces were under the GRU
military intelligence service and organized large commercial truck convoys
for the weapons removal, the official said. Regarding the explosives, the
new Iraqi government reported that 194.7 metric tons of HMX, or
high-melting-point explosive, and 141.2 metric tons of RDX, or
rapid-detonation explosive, and 5.8 metric tons of PETN, or
pentaerythritol tetranitrate, were missing. The material is used in
nuclear weapons and also in making military "plastic" high explosive.
Defense officials said the Russians can provide information on what
happened to the Iraqi weapons and explosives that were transported out of
the country. Officials believe the Russians also can explain what happened
to Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs."

End Excerpts from the Washington Times:

Doug Says: To add to the overwhelming evidence that Saddam was moving his
WMD, consider also the new evidence taken directly from the UN inspectors
own documents: In January 2003, (before the war started) the UN logs of
the inspectors show that all explosives that were found at the Al-Qaqaa
facility represented 150 tons LESS than what the UN inspectors found at
the same facility just a few months before! Obviously, Saddam was moving
these explosives out of the Al-Qaqaa facility long before the liberation
invasion began. The UN logs noting the missing explosives before the war
started prove that fact irrefutably. (It is naive to believe that Saddam
would move his HDX and RDX explosives into Syria, but not also move his
WMD stockpiles as well. Clearly Saddam was moving weapons and explosives
into other countries immediately prior to the war).

The UN also noted on their logs that the seals on the bunkers were only
partially effective due to the wide-open ventilation shafts in each
bunker.

The Pentagon has confirmed today that Satellite photos clearly show large
Iraqi truck activity at the Al-Qaqaa facility just before the liberation
invasion began. The Pentagon has also stated they have Satellite photos of
convoys of trucks leaving Iraq and driving into Syria before the
liberation invasion began.

Maj. Gen Bround of the 3rd Infantry Div. said Saddam had already moved the
explosives before we invaded. General Bround confirmed there were no HDX
nor RDX explosives at the Al-Qaqaa facility when the 3rd Infantry Division
arrived at the Al-Qaqaa facility.

We now know positively what happened to Saddam's WMD - and clearly Saddam
*did possess* the WMD that President Bush and the world said he possessed.
We also know why the French, Germans and Russians so vehemently opposed
the US's desire to remove Saddam as a threat to the world. It is called,
lies, deceit, intrigue, and oil money into the pockets of powerful people.

Now we finally know the truth. We also finally know for sure what
President Bush, PM Blair, PM Howard and the other leaders of the 28 nation
coalition did in respect to liberating Iraq was just in the nick of time.

It is time for all those Bush detractors to pull up to the table and start
munching on a giant portion of Blackbird pie - and while choking on the
baked Crow, all those screaming liberals should be mumbling at least one
giant apology to the American people and the rest of the world for the
outrageous and fraudulent advertisements and accusations they have leveled
against the Bush administration for liberating Iraq - we did it just in
the nick of time.

Doug Grant (Tm)

User: "The Grim Reaper"
Title: Re: SADDAM'S WMD MYSTERY SOLVED	13 Jan 2005 02:21:28 PM

So what happened to these WMD?

I reported about three months before the liberation invasion
began, on this newsgroup, that Saddam had moved some of his WMD
into Syria. I based my statement that Saddam had moved his WMD on
a treaty that I found between Saddam and King Bashar Assad of
Syria. That treaty calls for Iraqi weapons to be moved into Syria
and onto Syria's borders. The treaty was a mutual protection
treaty designed to protect both nations - and might be part of
the reason Syria is sending in insurgents to help the Baathist
and radical Muslims attack coalition troops.

So why didn't America and British intelligence reports show that the WMD had
been moved to Syria before the invasion of Iraq? There seems little point
in having intelligence services if they get something so important so
terribly wrong. Billions of dollars (thousands of dollars wasted every
second), 1300 lives of American military, 16 thousand Iraqi civilians
killed. Sunni cities like Fallujah, Ramadi and Samarra are quickly being
taken over by extremist movements.
And no, DOUH, before you say it ... I am NOT a tp (terrorist poster). I just
believe the invasion of Iraq was terribly mis-guided. America's reputation
is damaged and world stability is slumping into an abyss.
Before you say it: Liberation of an country under an evil dictator is NOT a
good enough reason for the invasion on my opinion (else there would be many
other countries we'd have to liberate - starting with North Korea and then
several African nations). So please don't tell me how great it is that
we've liberated Iraq. The invasion was NEVER about liberation of the Iraqi
people.
.

User: "DGVREIMAN"
Title: Re: SADDAM'S WMD MYSTERY SOLVED	15 Jan 2005 02:53:40 PM

"The Grim Reaper" <gr@reaper.com> wrote in message
news:41e6d87c$1_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...

So what happened to these WMD?

I reported about three months before the liberation invasion
began, on this newsgroup, that Saddam had moved some of his
WMD
into Syria. I based my statement that Saddam had moved his WMD
on
a treaty that I found between Saddam and King Bashar Assad of
Syria. That treaty calls for Iraqi weapons to be moved into
Syria
and onto Syria's borders. The treaty was a mutual protection
treaty designed to protect both nations - and might be part of
the reason Syria is sending in insurgents to help the Baathist
and radical Muslims attack coalition troops.

Doug Says: Even if our intelligence services knew for sure that
Saddam had moved all of his WMD into Syria, they still could not
be sure that King Assad would not allow Saddam or his Fedayeen
Terrorists access to those weapons. Access to the weapons is the
same as possessing them. What seems to be clear is that Saddam's
Fedayeen was going to wait until the liberation Army was in
place, then retrieve and use those WMD against garrisoned troops
in confined areas. Our pressure on Syria might have scuttled
that plan, or it still might be in the works. Hindsight is great
and the intelligence communities do not have Crystal balls to
consult to know the future or what an enemy is secretly planning
to do - especially after Clinton and Reno hamstrung our CIA.

And no, DOUH, before you say it ... I am NOT a tp (terrorist
poster). I just
believe the invasion of Iraq was terribly mis-guided.
America's reputation
is damaged and world stability is slumping into an abyss.

Doug Says: If America's reputation is damaged it is damaged only
because our so-called allies were taking bribes from Saddam, and
spreading that bribe money around to the European liberal press.
Saddam had to fall if we wanted to win our war on terrorism.
Saddam was sponsoring terrorism, and we could not have an enemy
on our flank if we were going to confront Iran with military
force, which I believe is mandatory to win our war on terror.

Before you say it: Liberation of an country under an evil
dictator is NOT a
good enough reason for the invasion on my opinion (else there
would be many
other countries we'd have to liberate - starting with North
Korea and then
several African nations). So please don't tell me how great it
is that
we've liberated Iraq. The invasion was NEVER about liberation
of the Iraqi
people.

Doug Says: You are entitled to your honest opinion. However,
the liberation invasion was to remove Saddam, which had the
residual effect of liberating the Iraqi people. But the main
purpose of using military force in Iraq was to rid the world of
a cruel dictator that was the self-proclaimed enemy of the free
world, and to make sure our flank was controlled when we later
address the Iranian problem. Politics aside, that is.
Doug Grant (Tm)

User: "John Agosta"
Title: DOUG admits Bush lied to America to start the war !!!!	16 Jan 2005 11:52:12 AM

"DGVREIMAN" <DGVREIMAN@COMCAST.NET> wrote in message
news:g6edndIyFuZRH3TcRVn-uw@comcast.com...

But the main
purpose of using military force in Iraq was to rid the world of
a cruel dictator that was the self-proclaimed enemy of the free
world, and to make sure our flank was controlled when we later
address the Iranian problem. Politics aside, that is.

Doug Grant (Tm)

But Bush never said this was the main reason.
The "main reason" that was sold to the American public was
to protect ourselves against a grave/gathering/iminent threats to the US,
NOT to remove Saddam, nor position ourselves to address an Iranian problem
in the future.
So, either you are lying in stating what the 'main' reason was, or,
Buish lied to the country in stating what his 'main' reason was.
Caught with your pants down again, DouglASS !
.

User: "InsuranceBroker"
Title: Re: DOUG admits Bush lied to America to start the war !!!!	16 Jan 2005 06:43:18 PM

Subject: DOUG admits Bush lied to America to start the war !!!!
From: "John Agosta" j_agosta@remove_wideopenwest.kom
Date: 1/16/2005 12:52 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <b8KdnUxD-LlQNHfcRVn-qg@wideopenwest.com>

"DGVREIMAN" <DGVREIMAN@COMCAST.NET> wrote in message
news:g6edndIyFuZRH3TcRVn-uw@comcast.com...

Doug you are one revolting *****. Bush made it clear that if we did not
start he war immediately then he would wake up with a mushroom cloud view. You
are a total liar.
Bush started the war because he could. Bush could care less about a dictator
role. That is just a new republican cry.

But Bush never said this was the main reason.
The "main reason" that was sold to the American public was
to protect ourselves against a grave/gathering/iminent threats to the US,
NOT to remove Saddam, nor position ourselves to address an Iranian problem
in the future.

So, either you are lying in stating what the 'main' reason was, or,
Buish lied to the country in stating what his 'main' reason was.

Caught with your pants down again, DouglASS !

User: "Mark Fox"
Title: Re: DOUG admits Bush lied to America to start the war !!!!	17 Jan 2005 10:17:53 AM

John Agosta wrote:

"DGVREIMAN" <DGVREIMAN@COMCAST.NET> wrote in message
news:g6edndIyFuZRH3TcRVn-uw@comcast.com...

But Bush never said this was the main reason.
The "main reason" that was sold to the American public was
to protect ourselves against a grave/gathering/iminent threats to the

US,

NOT to remove Saddam, nor position ourselves to address an Iranian

problem

in the future.

So, either you are lying in stating what the 'main' reason was, or,
Buish lied to the country in stating what his 'main' reason was.

On the contrary, Doug is quite correct. The many reasons for invading
Iraq are clearly spelled out in Congress' declaration of war (public
law 107-243).
Pay particular attention to these statements in the declaration of war:
"Whereas in 1990 in response to Iraq's war of aggression against an
illegal occupation of Kuwait, the United States forged a coalition of
nations to liberate Kuwait and its people in order to defend the
national security of the United States and enforce United Nations
Security Council resolutions relating to Iraq"
"Whereas after the liberation of Kuwait in 1991, Iraq entered into a
United Nations sponsored cease-fire agreement pursuant to which Iraq
unequivocally agreed, among other things, to ... end its support for
international terrorism"
"Whereas Iraq, in direct and flagrant violation of the cease-fire..."
"Whereas Iraq persists in violating resolution of the United Nations
Security Council by continuing to engage in brutal repression of its
civilian population thereby threatening international peace and
security in the region, by refusing to release, repatriate, or account
for non-Iraqi citizens wrongfully detained by Iraq, including an
American serviceman, and by failing to return property wrongfully
seized by Iraq from Kuwait"
Read Public law 107-243 for yourself at:
http://www.broadbandc-span.org/downloads/hjres114.pdf
Also take note of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (Public Law 105-338)
passed during the Clinton Administration.
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/iraq/libact103198.pdf

Caught with your pants down again, DouglASS !

Yes, someone here certainly has been caught with their mental pants
down around their proverbial ankles but it isn't Doug. All you need to
do is bend over and the terrorists will have you right where they want
you. LOL!
.

User: "TonyC"
Title: Re: DOUG admits Bush lied to America to start the war !!!!	17 Jan 2005 04:33:40 PM

Mark Fox wrote:

John Agosta wrote:

"DGVREIMAN" <DGVREIMAN@COMCAST.NET> wrote in message
news:g6edndIyFuZRH3TcRVn-uw@comcast.com...

But Bush never said this was the main reason.
The "main reason" that was sold to the American public was
to protect ourselves against a grave/gathering/iminent threats to

the

US,

NOT to remove Saddam, nor position ourselves to address an Iranian

problem

in the future.

So, either you are lying in stating what the 'main' reason was, or,
Buish lied to the country in stating what his 'main' reason was.

On the contrary, Doug is quite correct. The many reasons for

invading

Iraq are clearly spelled out in Congress' declaration of war (public
law 107-243).

Pay particular attention to these statements in the declaration of

war:

"Whereas in 1990 in response to Iraq's war of aggression against an
illegal occupation of Kuwait, the United States forged a coalition of
nations to liberate Kuwait and its people in order to defend the
national security of the United States and enforce United Nations
Security Council resolutions relating to Iraq"

"Whereas after the liberation of Kuwait in 1991, Iraq entered into a
United Nations sponsored cease-fire agreement pursuant to which Iraq
unequivocally agreed, among other things, to ... end its support for
international terrorism"

"Whereas Iraq, in direct and flagrant violation of the cease-fire..."

"Whereas Iraq persists in violating resolution of the United Nations
Security Council by continuing to engage in brutal repression of its
civilian population thereby threatening international peace and
security in the region, by refusing to release, repatriate, or

account

for non-Iraqi citizens wrongfully detained by Iraq, including an
American serviceman, and by failing to return property wrongfully
seized by Iraq from Kuwait"

Read Public law 107-243 for yourself at:

http://www.broadbandc-span.org/downloads/hjres114.pdf

Also take note of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (Public Law

105-338)

passed during the Clinton Administration.

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/iraq/libact103198.pdf

Caught with your pants down again, DouglASS !

Yes, someone here certainly has been caught with their mental pants
down around their proverbial ankles but it isn't Doug. All you need

do is bend over and the terrorists will have you right where they

want

you. LOL!

If you read more of Doug Grant Mr. Fox you will see that he considers
anything on findlaw.com to be a pack of lies. Or maybe you do also but
who would know since this is only your second post under this alias.
Should I say hello Doug king of all sock puppet creators? Maybe, maybe
not but it is a pretty safe bet that anyone who supports this lunatic
must either be a sock puppet or just as crazy.
.

User: "Whois_Tocsin"
Title: Re: SADDAM'S WMD MYSTERY SOLVED	13 Jan 2005 12:52:29 PM

(I cannot imagine why the main stream press has consistently
ignored the treaty between Saddam and Syria, as that treaty
openly requires Saddam to move some of his weapons into Syria).

Good article,, it covers a lot that the main stream media has chosen
to steer people away from because it undermines their Pro-Democrat
policies of eroding the Bush Administrations credibility.
As you said,, if people would just think ..
We KNEW he had WMD,s, he used them on his own people
and during the Iraq /Iran War.
If he did not have any more WMD's,, why not cooperate with inspectors ?
Why the shell game ?
If he did destroy his WMD's,, why not video tape it or let the inspectors
watch him destroy them ? Eliminate all doubt !
Again ,, why the shell game? Because he still had them and was buying time
to hide them in secure locations.
Guess what,, he succeeded
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User: "ouroboros rex"
Title: Re: SADDAM'S WMD MYSTERY SOLVED	13 Jan 2005 01:59:23 PM

"Whois_Tocsin" <whois_tocsin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:41e6c1b0$0$716$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com...

(I cannot imagine why the main stream press has consistently
ignored the treaty between Saddam and Syria, as that treaty
openly requires Saddam to move some of his weapons into Syria).

We sold them to him.

If he did not have any more WMD's,, why not cooperate with inspectors ?

He did.

Why the shell game ?

If he did destroy his WMD's,

No WMDs, remember? lol
, why not video tape it or let the inspectors

watch him destroy them ? Eliminate all doubt !

Again ,, why the shell game? Because he still had them and was buying time
to hide them in secure locations.

Blix sez, all access was granted.

Guess what,, he succeeded

Simply a lie.

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User: "Whois_Tocsin"
Title: Re: SADDAM'S WMD MYSTERY SOLVED	14 Jan 2005 02:02:39 AM

"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in message news:cs6jur$k4k$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu...
<<snip>>

If he did not have any more WMD's,, why not cooperate with inspectors ?

He did.

Really ?? See below !

Why the shell game ?

If he did destroy his WMD's,

No WMDs, remember? lol

, why not video tape it or let the inspectors

watch him destroy them ? Eliminate all doubt !

Again ,, why the shell game? Because he still had them and was buying time
to hide them in secure locations.

Blix sez, all access was granted.

Really ? Where do you get your news ?
Here is some news history for you to refresh your memory.
--
The U.N. orders its weapons inspectors to leave Iraq after the chief inspector reports Baghdad is not fully cooperating with them.
-- Sheila MacVicar, ABC World News This Morning, 12/16/98
To bolster its claim, Iraq let reporters see one laboratory U.N. inspectors once visited before they were kicked out four years ago.
--John McWethy, ABC World News Tonight, 8/12/02
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Iraq story boiled over last night when the chief U.N. weapons inspector, Richard Butler, said that Iraq had not fully cooperated
with inspectors and--as they had promised to do. As a result, the U.N. ordered its inspectors to leave Iraq this morning
--Katie Couric, NBC's Today, 12/16/98/
As Washington debates when and how to attack Iraq, a surprise offer from Baghdad. It is ready to talk about re-admitting U.N.
weapons inspectors after kicking them out four years ago.
--Maurice DuBois, NBC's Saturday Today, 8/3/02
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The chief U.N. weapons inspector ordered his monitors to leave Baghdad today after saying that Iraq had once again reneged on its
promise to cooperate--a report that renewed the threat of U.S. and British airstrikes.
--AP, 12/16/98
Information on Iraq's programs has been spotty since Saddam expelled U.N. weapons inspectors in 1998.
--AP, 9/7/02
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Immediately after submitting his report on Baghdad's noncompliance, Butler ordered his inspectors to leave Iraq.
--Los Angeles Times, 12/17/98
It is not known whether Iraq has rebuilt clandestine nuclear facilities since U.N. inspectors were forced out in 1998, but the
report said the regime lacks nuclear material for a bomb and the capability to make weapons.
--Los Angeles Times, 9/10/02
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The United Nations once again has ordered its weapons inspectors out of Iraq. Today's evacuation follows a new warning from chief
weapons inspector Richard Butler accusing Iraq of once again failing to cooperate with the inspectors. The United States and Britain
repeatedly have warned that Iraq's failure to cooperate with the inspectors could lead to air strikes.
--Bob Edwards, NPR, 12/16/98
If he has secret weapons, he's had four years since he kicked out the inspectors to hide all of them.
--Daniel Schorr, NPR, 8/3/02
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is the second time in a month that UNSCOM has pulled out in the face of a possible U.S.-led attack. But this time there may be
no turning back. Weapons inspectors packed up their personal belongings and loaded up equipment at U.N. headquarters after a predawn
evacuation order. In a matter of hours, they were gone, more than 120 of them headed for a flight to Bahrain.
--Jane Arraf, CNN, 12/16/98
What Mr. Bush is being urged to do by many advisers is focus on the simple fact that Saddam Hussein signed a piece of paper at the
end of the Persian Gulf War, promising that the United Nations could have unfettered weapons inspections in Iraq. It has now been
several years since those inspectors were kicked out.
--John King, CNN, 8/18/02
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Russian Ambassador Sergei Lavrov criticized Butler for evacuating inspectors from Iraq Wednesday morning without seeking permission
from the Security Council.
--USA Today, 12/17/98
Saddam expelled U.N. weapons inspectors in 1998, accusing some of being U.S. spies.
--USA Today, 9/4/02
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
But the most recent irritant was Mr. Butler's quick withdrawal from Iraq on Wednesday of all his inspectors and those of the
International Atomic Energy Agency, which monitors Iraqi nuclear programs, without Security Council permission. Mr. Butler acted
after a telephone call from Peter Burleigh, the American representative to the United Nations, and a discussion with Secretary
General Kofi Annan, who had also spoken to Mr. Burleigh.
--New York Times, 12/18/98
America's goal should be to ensure that Iraq is disarmed of all unconventional weapons.... To thwart this goal, Baghdad expelled
United Nations arms inspectors four years ago.
--New York Times editorial, 8/3/02
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Butler ordered his inspectors to evacuate Baghdad, in anticipation of a military attack, on Tuesday night--at a time when most
members of the Security Council had yet to receive his report.
--Washington Post, 12/18/98
Since 1998, when U.N. inspectors were expelled, Iraq has almost certainly been working to build more chemical and biological
weapons,
--Washington Post editorial, 8/4/02
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Butler abruptly pulled all of his inspectors out of Iraq shortly after handing Annan a report yesterday afternoon on Baghdad's
continued failure to cooperate with UNSCOM, the agency that searches for Iraq's prohibited weapons of mass destruction.
-- Newsday, 12/17/98
The reason Hussein gave was that the U.N. inspectors' work was completed years ago, before he kicked them out in 1998, and they
dismantled whatever weapons they found. That's disingenuous.
--Newsday editorial, 8/14/02
http://www.fair.org/extra/0210/inspectors.html
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User: "Lucile Wilson "
Title: Re: SADDAM'S WMD MYSTERY SOLVED	14 Jan 2005 02:47:28 PM

(I cannot imagine why the main stream press has consistently

ignored the treaty between Saddam and Syria, as that treaty
openly requires Saddam to move some of his weapons into Syria).

Good article,, it covers a lot that the main stream media has chosen
to steer people away from because it undermines their Pro-Democrat
policies of eroding the Bush Administrations credibility.

As you said,, if people would just think ..

We KNEW he had WMD,s, he used them on his own people
and during the Iraq /Iran War.

If he did not have any more WMD's,, why not cooperate with inspectors ?
Why the shell game ?

If he did destroy his WMD's,, why not video tape it or let the inspectors
watch him destroy them ? Eliminate all doubt !

Again ,, why the shell game? Because he still had them and was buying time
to hide them in secure locations.

Guess what,, he succeeded

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2. Refrain from responding in kind when they get abusive.
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4. Never Forget, If history is inconvenient, fanatics strive
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You idiots seem to forget...Bush Sr. cleaned the country from WMD just about
completely way after the war with Iran and the use of Gas. Then Clinton pounded
them and any site they thought there were WMDs for eight years. Remember in
1998, Clinton hit anything that reported to have WMD. I think we got them all
and I do not believe Syria has them. I do believe that Syria has plenty of
insurgents fighting for them in this Iraqi war.
"To thine own self be true." Shakespeare"
.

User: "Danzig"
Title: Re: SADDAM'S WMD MYSTERY SOLVED	13 Jan 2005 02:55:38 PM

No the guy has an ego as biog as all outdoors...HIDDEN???JUST WHERE PAL?

Again ,, why the shell game? Because he still had them and was buying time
to hide them in secure locations.

Guess what,, he succeeded

User: "UBCNRED"
Title: Re: SADDAM'S WMD MYSTERY SOLVED	13 Jan 2005 10:13:25 PM

"Danzig" <tyatcak@telus.net> wrote in message
news:efBFd.99799$KO5.5098@clgrps13...

No the guy has an ego as biog as all outdoors...HIDDEN???JUST WHERE PAL?

In case you don't know it, there are whole ancient cities that no one has
ever found in over 2000 years of searching in Iraq.
No one still has not ever answered the question of what happened to all of
the WMD stockpiles that the UN inspectors had padlocked up and catalogued?
Everyone wants them to be non-existent then why not go along with that? It's
CYA all the way.
It takes yet another issue away from the dems to boot.
They got recorded conversations of Iraqi's talking about hiding all that and
they also got satellite pics of them trucking out the goo to Syria.
There was a bomb plot foiled in Jordan that had involved a large quantity of
one of the chemicals they use to make nerve gas that the terrorists had
gotten a hold of. Hmmmm....
It was enough to kill 60-120k people if they had been successful.
They mostly have taken out the people who would have used that stuff anyhow
which is removing the threat much easier than playing hide-and-seek for
another 12 years.
There was not a single piece of intelligence that Powell used in his UN
speech that was false.
Another mystery is whatever happened to the 2 ships the Navy was tracking?
When asked in a press briefing some big shot general said he'd look into
that and there has never been an answer to that one either.
There was a third ship from Iraq that went to Norway. It was cleaned out
except they found that it had hauled quite a bit of that yellow cake gunk.
This is all just retarded anyhow because the very first time he aimed a SAM
at one of our jets patrolling the no-fly zone was the time for the immediate
destruction of Saddam Hussein's appallingly savage government.

Again ,, why the shell game? Because he still had them and was buying

time

to hide them in secure locations.

Guess what,, he succeeded

User: "Danzig"
Title: Re: SADDAM'S WMD MYSTERY SOLVED	14 Jan 2005 12:58:02 AM

HORSE *****...Where are those MOBILE labs, the anthrax?.....
CRAP pure unfiltered CRAP

There was not a single piece of intelligence that Powell used in his UN
speech that was false.

User: ""
Title: Re: SADDAM'S WMD MYSTERY SOLVED	14 Jan 2005 05:14:57 AM

DGVREIMAN wrote:

.. (unilaterally snipped)

Doug Grant (Tm)

Yep, WMD Mystery Solved.
Why were people so willing to accept the
Bush/Cheney rhetoric? Amazing. But harken!
Even after the scumbag liars concede that
there was no substance to any of their crap
we have the "faithful" still insisting WMD
were there!
Mystery Solved: No one is easier to fool
then the fool that wants to be fooled.
AG
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User: "Danzig"
Title: Re: SADDAM'S WMD MYSTERY SOLVED	15 Jan 2005 03:46:50 PM

DGVREIMAN wrote:

SADDAM'S WMD MYSTERY SOLVED
I kniow he put them BACK into the Crackerjack box!

User: "DGVREIMAN"
Title: Re: SADDAM'S WMD MYSTERY SOLVED	15 Jan 2005 05:52:23 PM

DGVREIMAN wrote:

SADDAM'S WMD MYSTERY SOLVED
I kniow he put them BACK into the Crackerjack box!

Doug Says: Now what about the above post did you not understand?
Doug Grant (Tm)
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User: "Danzig"
Title: Re: SADDAM'S WMD MYSTERY SOLVED	16 Jan 2005 02:18:25 AM

Grant (Tm)

"Danzig" <tyatcak@telus.net> wrote in message
news:ebgGd.99421$dv1.21531@edtnps89...

DGVREIMAN wrote:

SADDAM'S WMD MYSTERY SOLVED
I kniow he put them BACK into the Crackerjack box!

Doug Says: Now what about the above post did you not understand?

The entire load of CRAP

User: "DGVREIMAN"
Title: Re: SADDAM'S WMD MYSTERY SOLVED	17 Jan 2005 06:46:54 PM