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"Captain Compassion" |
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31 Oct 2005 01:24:52 AM |
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Scooter and Sandy |
Scooter and Sandy
Joseph Farah
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
"I think what we see here today, when a vice president's chief of
staff is charged with perjury and obstruction of justice, it does show
the world that this is a country that takes its law seriously; that
all citizens are bound by the law. But what we need to also show the
world is that we can also apply the same safeguards to all our
citizens, including high officials. Much as they must be bound by the
law, they must follow the same rules."
– Independent Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, Friday, Oct. 28, 2005
Those were stirring words from Patrick Fitzgerald.
And, I believe, he means them.
His presentation to the nation Friday was professional and persuasive.
Personally, I am not at all concerned about the CIA leak case.
I don't believe anyone was hurt by the leaks.
Valerie Plame was no covert CIA agent, in my book. She had not been
working overseas since 1996 and appeared unlikely to take any covert
assignments abroad in the future.
Had Lewis Libby not lied under oath to investigators, I doubt very
seriously he would be under indictment right now. Because no other
crime appears to have been committed.
Nevertheless, Libby, Vice President ***** Cheney's chief of staff, is
now facing 30 years in jail for a cover-up of what he leaked to
reporters.
While I like to see the high and mighty brought low as much as the
next guy, the possible sentence seems a little excessive.
Where was this guy Fitzgerald when we really needed him?
Where was he when former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger was
caught red-handed stealing highly classified documents from the
National Archives, destroying some and then lying about it to
investigators?
If ever there was a crime that warranted 30 years in the slammer, it
was that theft from the people and the ensuing cover-up.
But Sandy Berger walked. He got away with a modest fine and a
prohibition against taking another national security job in the
federal government until at least 2009. Big deal. His party is out of
the White House until then.
Is anyone else struck with the contrast between these two
prosecutions?
While I appreciate that independent counsels want to send signals to
the people that even high officials can be brought down for violating
the law, we also have a concept in this country of "equal justice
under the law."
Can anyone honestly look at these two cases – Libby and Berger – and
tell me they were treated equally?
I don't think so.
Now, I don't have any love for the Bush administration. In fact, it
was the Bush Justice Department that let Berger walk. I don't know
Scooter Libby – wouldn't know him if I tripped over him. I never heard
of him until the Valerie Plame case.
But 30 years for lying under oath?
Does anyone remember another high official who lied under oath?
I seem to remember a former president.
And what was his sentence?
Zip. Zilch. Nada.
His defenders say he was only lying about sex in the White House with
an intern.
Well, heck, Libby was only lying about what he told reporters.
What's a worse crime? Lying about abusive sexual behavior in a sexual
harassment case, or lying about what you told some reporters?
I'm a reporter and I tell you the former is a much worse offense.
So where, for heaven's sake, is the proportionality?
Where is the equal justice under the law?
Is it fair and just to throw the book at one official and let others
skate for more serious crimes?
Does that breed respect of the law by the people?
--
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| User: "Al Dykes" |
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| Title: Re: Scooter and Sandy |
31 Oct 2005 06:48:04 AM |
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In article <bdhbm158ib7f4hvfmit0skq5mtfn8mvq60@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
Scooter and Sandy
Joseph Farah
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
"I think what we see here today, when a vice president's chief of
staff is charged with perjury and obstruction of justice, it does show
the world that this is a country that takes its law seriously; that
all citizens are bound by the law. But what we need to also show the
world is that we can also apply the same safeguards to all our
citizens, including high officials. Much as they must be bound by the
law, they must follow the same rules."
– Independent Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, Friday, Oct. 28, 2005
Those were stirring words from Patrick Fitzgerald.
And, I believe, he means them.
His presentation to the nation Friday was professional and persuasive.
Personally, I am not at all concerned about the CIA leak case.
I don't believe anyone was hurt by the leaks.
It doesn't matter, There is a charge that a crime was committed. It
doesn't matter that Palme "wasn't harmed".
You're forgetting the two counts of lying to an FBI agent and
obsctrcting justice.
Spin Spin Spin.
Valerie Plame was no covert CIA agent, in my book. She had not been
working overseas since 1996 and appeared unlikely to take any covert
assignments abroad in the future.
Your book doesn't count. The CIA say she was,and Fitzgerald concurs..
He said it somehwere here. I read it.
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/index.html
Had Lewis Libby not lied under oath to investigators, I doubt very
seriously he would be under indictment right now. Because no other
crime appears to have been committed.
Nevertheless, Libby, Vice President ***** Cheney's chief of staff, is
now facing 30 years in jail for a cover-up of what he leaked to
reporters.
While I like to see the high and mighty brought low as much as the
next guy, the possible sentence seems a little excessive.
Where was this guy Fitzgerald when we really needed him?
Where was he when former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger was
caught red-handed stealing highly classified documents from the
National Archives, destroying some and then lying about it to
investigators?
If ever there was a crime that warranted 30 years in the slammer, it
was that theft from the people and the ensuing cover-up.
Berger took *his own documents* from the files. The country was not
harmed and he admitted guilt with no formalities right away. He took
his punishment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Berger
OTOH, outing Plane, and Brewster Jennings (in Novak's second column)
cost the US *millions* and years of progress in the career development
of a CIA asset and a brass plate organization that was a big part of
keeping nuclear material out of the hands of Bad Guys all over the
world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_affair
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster-Jennings_%26_Associates
Spin Spin Spin
--
a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m
Don't blame me. I voted for Gore.
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| User: "J" |
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| Title: Re: Scooter and Sandy |
31 Oct 2005 05:30:21 AM |
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"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:bdhbm158ib7f4hvfmit0skq5mtfn8mvq60@4ax.com...
Scooter and Sandy
Joseph Farah
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
"I think what we see here today, when a vice president's chief of
staff is charged with perjury and obstruction of justice, it does show
the world that this is a country that takes its law seriously; that
all citizens are bound by the law. But what we need to also show the
world is that we can also apply the same safeguards to all our
citizens, including high officials. Much as they must be bound by the
law, they must follow the same rules."
- Independent Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, Friday, Oct. 28, 2005
Those were stirring words from Patrick Fitzgerald.
And, I believe, he means them.
His presentation to the nation Friday was professional and persuasive.
Personally, I am not at all concerned about the CIA leak case.
I don't believe anyone was hurt by the leaks.
Valerie Plame was no covert CIA agent, in my book. She had not been
working overseas since 1996 and appeared unlikely to take any covert
assignments abroad in the future.
Had Lewis Libby not lied under oath to investigators, I doubt very
seriously he would be under indictment right now. Because no other
crime appears to have been committed.
Nevertheless, Libby, Vice President ***** Cheney's chief of staff, is
now facing 30 years in jail for a cover-up of what he leaked to
reporters.
While I like to see the high and mighty brought low as much as the
next guy, the possible sentence seems a little excessive.
Where was this guy Fitzgerald when we really needed him?
Where was he when former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger was
caught red-handed stealing highly classified documents from the
National Archives, destroying some and then lying about it to
investigators?
If ever there was a crime that warranted 30 years in the slammer, it
was that theft from the people and the ensuing cover-up.
But Sandy Berger walked. He got away with a modest fine and a
prohibition against taking another national security job in the
federal government until at least 2009. Big deal. His party is out of
the White House until then.
Is anyone else struck with the contrast between these two
prosecutions?
While I appreciate that independent counsels want to send signals to
the people that even high officials can be brought down for violating
the law, we also have a concept in this country of "equal justice
under the law."
Can anyone honestly look at these two cases - Libby and Berger - and
tell me they were treated equally?
I don't think so.
Now, I don't have any love for the Bush administration. In fact, it
was the Bush Justice Department that let Berger walk. I don't know
Scooter Libby - wouldn't know him if I tripped over him. I never heard
of him until the Valerie Plame case.
But 30 years for lying under oath?
Of course, you rightwing liars were ready to impeach Bill Clinton for lying
under oath.
How quickly and conveniently you assholes forget.
Does anyone remember another high official who lied under oath?
I seem to remember a former president.
And what was his sentence?
Zip. Zilch. Nada.
His defenders say he was only lying about sex in the White House with
an intern.
Well, heck, Libby was only lying about what he told reporters.
What's a worse crime? Lying about abusive sexual behavior in a sexual
harassment case, or lying about what you told some reporters?
I'm a reporter and I tell you the former is a much worse offense.
So where, for heaven's sake, is the proportionality?
Where is the equal justice under the law?
Is it fair and just to throw the book at one official and let others
skate for more serious crimes?
Does that breed respect of the law by the people?
--
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| User: "Roger" |
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31 Oct 2005 04:07:32 PM |
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"J" <anon@mous.com> wrote in message news:dk4v7g0mlo@news1.newsguy.com...
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:bdhbm158ib7f4hvfmit0skq5mtfn8mvq60@4ax.com...
Scooter and Sandy
Joseph Farah
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
"I think what we see here today, when a vice president's chief of
staff is charged with perjury and obstruction of justice, it does show
the world that this is a country that takes its law seriously; that
all citizens are bound by the law. But what we need to also show the
world is that we can also apply the same safeguards to all our
citizens, including high officials. Much as they must be bound by the
law, they must follow the same rules."
- Independent Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, Friday, Oct. 28, 2005
Those were stirring words from Patrick Fitzgerald.
And, I believe, he means them.
His presentation to the nation Friday was professional and persuasive.
Personally, I am not at all concerned about the CIA leak case.
I don't believe anyone was hurt by the leaks.
Valerie Plame was no covert CIA agent, in my book. She had not been
working overseas since 1996 and appeared unlikely to take any covert
assignments abroad in the future.
Had Lewis Libby not lied under oath to investigators, I doubt very
seriously he would be under indictment right now. Because no other
crime appears to have been committed.
Nevertheless, Libby, Vice President ***** Cheney's chief of staff, is
now facing 30 years in jail for a cover-up of what he leaked to
reporters.
While I like to see the high and mighty brought low as much as the
next guy, the possible sentence seems a little excessive.
Where was this guy Fitzgerald when we really needed him?
Where was he when former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger was
caught red-handed stealing highly classified documents from the
National Archives, destroying some and then lying about it to
investigators?
If ever there was a crime that warranted 30 years in the slammer, it
was that theft from the people and the ensuing cover-up.
But Sandy Berger walked. He got away with a modest fine and a
prohibition against taking another national security job in the
federal government until at least 2009. Big deal. His party is out of
the White House until then.
Is anyone else struck with the contrast between these two
prosecutions?
While I appreciate that independent counsels want to send signals to
the people that even high officials can be brought down for violating
the law, we also have a concept in this country of "equal justice
under the law."
Can anyone honestly look at these two cases - Libby and Berger - and
tell me they were treated equally?
I don't think so.
Now, I don't have any love for the Bush administration. In fact, it
was the Bush Justice Department that let Berger walk. I don't know
Scooter Libby - wouldn't know him if I tripped over him. I never heard
of him until the Valerie Plame case.
But 30 years for lying under oath?
Of course, you rightwing liars were ready to impeach Bill Clinton for
lying under oath.
They did. He was acquitted.
How quickly and conveniently you assholes forget.
Does anyone remember another high official who lied under oath?
I seem to remember a former president.
And what was his sentence?
Zip. Zilch. Nada.
His defenders say he was only lying about sex in the White House with
an intern.
Well, heck, Libby was only lying about what he told reporters.
What's a worse crime? Lying about abusive sexual behavior in a sexual
harassment case, or lying about what you told some reporters?
I'm a reporter and I tell you the former is a much worse offense.
So where, for heaven's sake, is the proportionality?
Where is the equal justice under the law?
Is it fair and just to throw the book at one official and let others
skate for more serious crimes?
Does that breed respect of the law by the people?
--
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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01 Nov 2005 02:49:47 AM |
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J wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:bdhbm158ib7f4hvfmit0skq5mtfn8mvq60@4ax.com...
Scooter and Sandy
Joseph Farah
=A9 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
"I think what we see here today, when a vice president's chief of
staff is charged with perjury and obstruction of justice, it does show
the world that this is a country that takes its law seriously; that
all citizens are bound by the law. But what we need to also show the
world is that we can also apply the same safeguards to all our
citizens, including high officials. Much as they must be bound by the
law, they must follow the same rules."
- Independent Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, Friday, Oct. 28, 2005
Those were stirring words from Patrick Fitzgerald.
And, I believe, he means them.
His presentation to the nation Friday was professional and persuasive.
Personally, I am not at all concerned about the CIA leak case.
I don't believe anyone was hurt by the leaks.
Valerie Plame was no covert CIA agent, in my book. She had not been
working overseas since 1996 and appeared unlikely to take any covert
assignments abroad in the future.
Had Lewis Libby not lied under oath to investigators, I doubt very
seriously he would be under indictment right now. Because no other
crime appears to have been committed.
Nevertheless, Libby, Vice President ***** Cheney's chief of staff, is
now facing 30 years in jail for a cover-up of what he leaked to
reporters.
While I like to see the high and mighty brought low as much as the
next guy, the possible sentence seems a little excessive.
Where was this guy Fitzgerald when we really needed him?
Where was he when former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger was
caught red-handed stealing highly classified documents from the
National Archives, destroying some and then lying about it to
investigators?
If ever there was a crime that warranted 30 years in the slammer, it
was that theft from the people and the ensuing cover-up.
But Sandy Berger walked. He got away with a modest fine and a
prohibition against taking another national security job in the
federal government until at least 2009. Big deal. His party is out of
the White House until then.
Is anyone else struck with the contrast between these two
prosecutions?
While I appreciate that independent counsels want to send signals to
the people that even high officials can be brought down for violating
the law, we also have a concept in this country of "equal justice
under the law."
Can anyone honestly look at these two cases - Libby and Berger - and
tell me they were treated equally?
I don't think so.
Now, I don't have any love for the Bush administration. In fact, it
was the Bush Justice Department that let Berger walk. I don't know
Scooter Libby - wouldn't know him if I tripped over him. I never heard
of him until the Valerie Plame case.
But 30 years for lying under oath?
Of course, you rightwing liars were ready to impeach Bill Clinton for lyi=
ng
under oath.
Actualy you whining ***** the US House of Representitives did impeach
his
sorry *****.
He was aquitted at his trial by the US Senate.
Opon his leaving office he entered a plea bargin surrendering his Law
licence and paying a fine for lying to the judge, in the Paula Jones
civil suit.
Lewis Libby "Scooter",is not an elected official so we the rightwing
liars
really could care less what happens to him.
The Vice President accepted his resignation and today announced his
replacement.
The losers on the left are trying to make this a Berger type case
when in
reality it is more like Martha Stewart.
How quickly and conveniently you assholes forget.
We rejoice daily knowing Bill "Stain" Clinton will forever have
impeached
attached to his presidential resume.
Well, I will let you losers get back to licking the underside of
toliet
seats.
Does anyone remember another high official who lied under oath?
I seem to remember a former president.
And what was his sentence?
Zip. Zilch. Nada.
His defenders say he was only lying about sex in the White House with
an intern.
Well, heck, Libby was only lying about what he told reporters.
What's a worse crime? Lying about abusive sexual behavior in a sexual
harassment case, or lying about what you told some reporters?
I'm a reporter and I tell you the former is a much worse offense.
So where, for heaven's sake, is the proportionality?
Where is the equal justice under the law?
Is it fair and just to throw the book at one official and let others
skate for more serious crimes?
Does that breed respect of the law by the people?
--
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it tak=
es
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| User: "Al Dykes" |
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01 Nov 2005 06:29:23 AM |
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In article <1130834987.048675.115530@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
<tnbracing@yahoo.com> wrote:
J wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:bdhbm158ib7f4hvfmit0skq5mtfn8mvq60@4ax.com...
Scooter and Sandy
Joseph Farah
=A9 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
"I think what we see here today, when a vice president's chief of
staff is charged with perjury and obstruction of justice, it does show
the world that this is a country that takes its law seriously; that
all citizens are bound by the law. But what we need to also show the
world is that we can also apply the same safeguards to all our
citizens, including high officials. Much as they must be bound by the
law, they must follow the same rules."
- Independent Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, Friday, Oct. 28, 2005
Those were stirring words from Patrick Fitzgerald.
And, I believe, he means them.
His presentation to the nation Friday was professional and persuasive.
Personally, I am not at all concerned about the CIA leak case.
I don't believe anyone was hurt by the leaks.
Valerie Plame was no covert CIA agent, in my book. She had not been
working overseas since 1996 and appeared unlikely to take any covert
assignments abroad in the future.
Had Lewis Libby not lied under oath to investigators, I doubt very
seriously he would be under indictment right now. Because no other
crime appears to have been committed.
Nevertheless, Libby, Vice President ***** Cheney's chief of staff, is
now facing 30 years in jail for a cover-up of what he leaked to
reporters.
While I like to see the high and mighty brought low as much as the
next guy, the possible sentence seems a little excessive.
Where was this guy Fitzgerald when we really needed him?
Where was he when former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger was
caught red-handed stealing highly classified documents from the
National Archives, destroying some and then lying about it to
investigators?
If ever there was a crime that warranted 30 years in the slammer, it
was that theft from the people and the ensuing cover-up.
But Sandy Berger walked. He got away with a modest fine and a
prohibition against taking another national security job in the
federal government until at least 2009. Big deal. His party is out of
the White House until then.
Is anyone else struck with the contrast between these two
prosecutions?
While I appreciate that independent counsels want to send signals to
the people that even high officials can be brought down for violating
the law, we also have a concept in this country of "equal justice
under the law."
Can anyone honestly look at these two cases - Libby and Berger - and
tell me they were treated equally?
I don't think so.
Now, I don't have any love for the Bush administration. In fact, it
was the Bush Justice Department that let Berger walk. I don't know
Scooter Libby - wouldn't know him if I tripped over him. I never heard
of him until the Valerie Plame case.
But 30 years for lying under oath?
Of course, you rightwing liars were ready to impeach Bill Clinton for lyi=
ng
under oath.
Actualy you whining ***** the US House of Representitives did impeach
his
sorry *****.
He was aquitted at his trial by the US Senate.
Opon his leaving office he entered a plea bargin surrendering his Law
licence and paying a fine for lying to the judge, in the Paula Jones
civil suit.
Lewis Libby "Scooter",is not an elected official so we the rightwing
liars
really could care less what happens to him.
The Vice President accepted his resignation and today announced his
replacement.
Bush should have rejected his resignation and fired him.
--
a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m
Don't blame me. I voted for Gore.
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31 Oct 2005 10:17:41 AM |
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:30:21 -0500, "J" <anon@mous.com> wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:bdhbm158ib7f4hvfmit0skq5mtfn8mvq60@4ax.com...
Scooter and Sandy
Joseph Farah
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
"I think what we see here today, when a vice president's chief of
staff is charged with perjury and obstruction of justice, it does show
the world that this is a country that takes its law seriously; that
all citizens are bound by the law. But what we need to also show the
world is that we can also apply the same safeguards to all our
citizens, including high officials. Much as they must be bound by the
law, they must follow the same rules."
- Independent Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, Friday, Oct. 28, 2005
Those were stirring words from Patrick Fitzgerald.
And, I believe, he means them.
His presentation to the nation Friday was professional and persuasive.
Personally, I am not at all concerned about the CIA leak case.
I don't believe anyone was hurt by the leaks.
Valerie Plame was no covert CIA agent, in my book. She had not been
working overseas since 1996 and appeared unlikely to take any covert
assignments abroad in the future.
Had Lewis Libby not lied under oath to investigators, I doubt very
seriously he would be under indictment right now. Because no other
crime appears to have been committed.
Nevertheless, Libby, Vice President ***** Cheney's chief of staff, is
now facing 30 years in jail for a cover-up of what he leaked to
reporters.
While I like to see the high and mighty brought low as much as the
next guy, the possible sentence seems a little excessive.
Where was this guy Fitzgerald when we really needed him?
Where was he when former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger was
caught red-handed stealing highly classified documents from the
National Archives, destroying some and then lying about it to
investigators?
If ever there was a crime that warranted 30 years in the slammer, it
was that theft from the people and the ensuing cover-up.
But Sandy Berger walked. He got away with a modest fine and a
prohibition against taking another national security job in the
federal government until at least 2009. Big deal. His party is out of
the White House until then.
Is anyone else struck with the contrast between these two
prosecutions?
While I appreciate that independent counsels want to send signals to
the people that even high officials can be brought down for violating
the law, we also have a concept in this country of "equal justice
under the law."
Can anyone honestly look at these two cases - Libby and Berger - and
tell me they were treated equally?
I don't think so.
Now, I don't have any love for the Bush administration. In fact, it
was the Bush Justice Department that let Berger walk. I don't know
Scooter Libby - wouldn't know him if I tripped over him. I never heard
of him until the Valerie Plame case.
But 30 years for lying under oath?
Of course, you rightwing liars were ready to impeach Bill Clinton for lying
under oath.
How quickly and conveniently you assholes forget.
Can't impeach Libby.
Does anyone remember another high official who lied under oath?
I seem to remember a former president.
And what was his sentence?
Zip. Zilch. Nada.
His defenders say he was only lying about sex in the White House with
an intern.
Well, heck, Libby was only lying about what he told reporters.
What's a worse crime? Lying about abusive sexual behavior in a sexual
harassment case, or lying about what you told some reporters?
I'm a reporter and I tell you the former is a much worse offense.
So where, for heaven's sake, is the proportionality?
Where is the equal justice under the law?
Is it fair and just to throw the book at one official and let others
skate for more serious crimes?
Does that breed respect of the law by the people?
--
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
--
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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31 Oct 2005 03:25:49 PM |
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"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:30:21 -0500, "J" <anon@mous.com> wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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Scooter and Sandy
Joseph Farah
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
"I think what we see here today, when a vice president's chief of
staff is charged with perjury and obstruction of justice, it does show
the world that this is a country that takes its law seriously; that
all citizens are bound by the law. But what we need to also show the
world is that we can also apply the same safeguards to all our
citizens, including high officials. Much as they must be bound by the
law, they must follow the same rules."
- Independent Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, Friday, Oct. 28, 2005
Those were stirring words from Patrick Fitzgerald.
And, I believe, he means them.
His presentation to the nation Friday was professional and persuasive.
Personally, I am not at all concerned about the CIA leak case.
I don't believe anyone was hurt by the leaks.
Valerie Plame was no covert CIA agent, in my book. She had not been
working overseas since 1996 and appeared unlikely to take any covert
assignments abroad in the future.
Had Lewis Libby not lied under oath to investigators, I doubt very
seriously he would be under indictment right now. Because no other
crime appears to have been committed.
Nevertheless, Libby, Vice President ***** Cheney's chief of staff, is
now facing 30 years in jail for a cover-up of what he leaked to
reporters.
While I like to see the high and mighty brought low as much as the
next guy, the possible sentence seems a little excessive.
Where was this guy Fitzgerald when we really needed him?
Where was he when former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger was
caught red-handed stealing highly classified documents from the
National Archives, destroying some and then lying about it to
investigators?
If ever there was a crime that warranted 30 years in the slammer, it
was that theft from the people and the ensuing cover-up.
But Sandy Berger walked. He got away with a modest fine and a
prohibition against taking another national security job in the
federal government until at least 2009. Big deal. His party is out of
the White House until then.
Is anyone else struck with the contrast between these two
prosecutions?
While I appreciate that independent counsels want to send signals to
the people that even high officials can be brought down for violating
the law, we also have a concept in this country of "equal justice
under the law."
Can anyone honestly look at these two cases - Libby and Berger - and
tell me they were treated equally?
I don't think so.
Now, I don't have any love for the Bush administration. In fact, it
was the Bush Justice Department that let Berger walk. I don't know
Scooter Libby - wouldn't know him if I tripped over him. I never heard
of him until the Valerie Plame case.
But 30 years for lying under oath?
Of course, you rightwing liars were ready to impeach Bill Clinton for
lying
under oath.
How quickly and conveniently you assholes forget.
Can't impeach Libby.
No, but 30 years sounds fair.
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| Title: Re: Scooter and Sandy |
31 Oct 2005 08:46:52 PM |
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On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:25:49 +1100, "Malto" <Malto@offski.commie>
wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:30:21 -0500, "J" <anon@mous.com> wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:bdhbm158ib7f4hvfmit0skq5mtfn8mvq60@4ax.com...
Scooter and Sandy
Joseph Farah
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
"I think what we see here today, when a vice president's chief of
staff is charged with perjury and obstruction of justice, it does show
the world that this is a country that takes its law seriously; that
all citizens are bound by the law. But what we need to also show the
world is that we can also apply the same safeguards to all our
citizens, including high officials. Much as they must be bound by the
law, they must follow the same rules."
- Independent Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, Friday, Oct. 28, 2005
Those were stirring words from Patrick Fitzgerald.
And, I believe, he means them.
His presentation to the nation Friday was professional and persuasive.
Personally, I am not at all concerned about the CIA leak case.
I don't believe anyone was hurt by the leaks.
Valerie Plame was no covert CIA agent, in my book. She had not been
working overseas since 1996 and appeared unlikely to take any covert
assignments abroad in the future.
Had Lewis Libby not lied under oath to investigators, I doubt very
seriously he would be under indictment right now. Because no other
crime appears to have been committed.
Nevertheless, Libby, Vice President ***** Cheney's chief of staff, is
now facing 30 years in jail for a cover-up of what he leaked to
reporters.
While I like to see the high and mighty brought low as much as the
next guy, the possible sentence seems a little excessive.
Where was this guy Fitzgerald when we really needed him?
Where was he when former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger was
caught red-handed stealing highly classified documents from the
National Archives, destroying some and then lying about it to
investigators?
If ever there was a crime that warranted 30 years in the slammer, it
was that theft from the people and the ensuing cover-up.
But Sandy Berger walked. He got away with a modest fine and a
prohibition against taking another national security job in the
federal government until at least 2009. Big deal. His party is out of
the White House until then.
Is anyone else struck with the contrast between these two
prosecutions?
While I appreciate that independent counsels want to send signals to
the people that even high officials can be brought down for violating
the law, we also have a concept in this country of "equal justice
under the law."
Can anyone honestly look at these two cases - Libby and Berger - and
tell me they were treated equally?
I don't think so.
Now, I don't have any love for the Bush administration. In fact, it
was the Bush Justice Department that let Berger walk. I don't know
Scooter Libby - wouldn't know him if I tripped over him. I never heard
of him until the Valerie Plame case.
But 30 years for lying under oath?
Of course, you rightwing liars were ready to impeach Bill Clinton for
lying
under oath.
How quickly and conveniently you assholes forget.
Can't impeach Libby.
No, but 30 years sounds fair.
Libby will not see one day in the slam. These kind of guys don't do
time. Just ask Henry Cisneros or Sandy Burglar. You all should give it
up but I know some won't. There are those that are still stressing
about the 2000 election. I guess it's nice to have a hobby.
--
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| User: "Malto" |
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| Title: Re: Scooter and Sandy |
31 Oct 2005 09:23:42 PM |
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"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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Can't impeach Libby.
No, but 30 years sounds fair.
Libby will not see one day in the slam.
I'll remind you of that a little later on, dipshit......;P
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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01 Nov 2005 12:45:29 AM |
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On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:23:42 +1100, "Malto" <Malto@offski.commie>
wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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Can't impeach Libby.
No, but 30 years sounds fair.
Libby will not see one day in the slam.
I'll remind you of that a little later on, dipshit......;P
http://www.thelaughingsong.com/
--
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| User: " Malto" |
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| Title: Re: Scooter and Sandy |
01 Nov 2005 01:07:42 AM |
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"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:23:42 +1100, "Malto" <Malto@offski.commie>
wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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Can't impeach Libby.
No, but 30 years sounds fair.
Libby will not see one day in the slam.
I'll remind you of that a little later on, dipshit......;P
http://www.thelaughingsong.com/
If Libby's convicted, he faces 30 years in prison and more than a million
dollars in fines.
Maybe you could send him whatever childish sound files you've resorted to
using as a response.
Sounds like he's gonna need a lauagh or two to ceheer him up in between
rounds of sucking mommie's *****!
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| User: "Al Dykes" |
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| Title: Re: Scooter and Sandy |
31 Oct 2005 09:07:54 PM |
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In article <mbldm15f96dj8nuibd0kdab839qhflpjps@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:25:49 +1100, "Malto" <Malto@offski.commie>
wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:2sgcm1ldvr259lh9k6imct432qaqng5c0n@4ax.com...
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:30:21 -0500, "J" <anon@mous.com> wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:bdhbm158ib7f4hvfmit0skq5mtfn8mvq60@4ax.com...
Scooter and Sandy
Joseph Farah
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
"I think what we see here today, when a vice president's chief of
staff is charged with perjury and obstruction of justice, it does show
the world that this is a country that takes its law seriously; that
all citizens are bound by the law. But what we need to also show the
world is that we can also apply the same safeguards to all our
citizens, including high officials. Much as they must be bound by the
law, they must follow the same rules."
- Independent Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, Friday, Oct. 28, 2005
Those were stirring words from Patrick Fitzgerald.
And, I believe, he means them.
His presentation to the nation Friday was professional and persuasive.
Personally, I am not at all concerned about the CIA leak case.
I don't believe anyone was hurt by the leaks.
Valerie Plame was no covert CIA agent, in my book. She had not been
working overseas since 1996 and appeared unlikely to take any covert
assignments abroad in the future.
Had Lewis Libby not lied under oath to investigators, I doubt very
seriously he would be under indictment right now. Because no other
crime appears to have been committed.
Nevertheless, Libby, Vice President ***** Cheney's chief of staff, is
now facing 30 years in jail for a cover-up of what he leaked to
reporters.
While I like to see the high and mighty brought low as much as the
next guy, the possible sentence seems a little excessive.
Where was this guy Fitzgerald when we really needed him?
Where was he when former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger was
caught red-handed stealing highly classified documents from the
National Archives, destroying some and then lying about it to
investigators?
If ever there was a crime that warranted 30 years in the slammer, it
was that theft from the people and the ensuing cover-up.
But Sandy Berger walked. He got away with a modest fine and a
prohibition against taking another national security job in the
federal government until at least 2009. Big deal. His party is out of
the White House until then.
Is anyone else struck with the contrast between these two
prosecutions?
While I appreciate that independent counsels want to send signals to
the people that even high officials can be brought down for violating
the law, we also have a concept in this country of "equal justice
under the law."
Can anyone honestly look at these two cases - Libby and Berger - and
tell me they were treated equally?
I don't think so.
Now, I don't have any love for the Bush administration. In fact, it
was the Bush Justice Department that let Berger walk. I don't know
Scooter Libby - wouldn't know him if I tripped over him. I never heard
of him until the Valerie Plame case.
But 30 years for lying under oath?
Of course, you rightwing liars were ready to impeach Bill Clinton for
lying
under oath.
How quickly and conveniently you assholes forget.
Can't impeach Libby.
No, but 30 years sounds fair.
Libby will not see one day in the slam. These kind of guys don't do
time. Just ask Henry Cisneros or Sandy Burglar. You all should give it
up but I know some won't. There are those that are still stressing
about the 2000 election. I guess it's nice to have a hobby.
Cisneros and Berger both pleaded guilty and paid their penalty. Libby
can do the same, any time. If he doesn't do so he could be in Club
Fed for as long as 30 years.
--
a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m
Don't blame me. I voted for Gore.
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| User: "Hugh Gibbons" |
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| Title: Re: Scooter and Sandy |
01 Nov 2005 09:59:55 PM |
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In article <dk6m6a$c0e$1@panix5.panix.com>, (Al Dykes)
wrote:
In article <mbldm15f96dj8nuibd0kdab839qhflpjps@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:25:49 +1100, "Malto" <Malto@offski.commie>
wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:2sgcm1ldvr259lh9k6imct432qaqng5c0n@4ax.com...
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:30:21 -0500, "J" <anon@mous.com> wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:bdhbm158ib7f4hvfmit0skq5mtfn8mvq60@4ax.com...
Scooter and Sandy
Joseph Farah
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
"I think what we see here today, when a vice president's chief of
staff is charged with perjury and obstruction of justice, it does show
the world that this is a country that takes its law seriously; that
all citizens are bound by the law. But what we need to also show the
world is that we can also apply the same safeguards to all our
citizens, including high officials. Much as they must be bound by the
law, they must follow the same rules."
- Independent Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, Friday, Oct. 28, 2005
Those were stirring words from Patrick Fitzgerald.
And, I believe, he means them.
His presentation to the nation Friday was professional and persuasive.
Personally, I am not at all concerned about the CIA leak case.
I don't believe anyone was hurt by the leaks.
Valerie Plame was no covert CIA agent, in my book. She had not been
working overseas since 1996 and appeared unlikely to take any covert
assignments abroad in the future.
Had Lewis Libby not lied under oath to investigators, I doubt very
seriously he would be under indictment right now. Because no other
crime appears to have been committed.
Nevertheless, Libby, Vice President ***** Cheney's chief of staff, is
now facing 30 years in jail for a cover-up of what he leaked to
reporters.
While I like to see the high and mighty brought low as much as the
next guy, the possible sentence seems a little excessive.
Where was this guy Fitzgerald when we really needed him?
Where was he when former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger was
caught red-handed stealing highly classified documents from the
National Archives, destroying some and then lying about it to
investigators?
If ever there was a crime that warranted 30 years in the slammer, it
was that theft from the people and the ensuing cover-up.
But Sandy Berger walked. He got away with a modest fine and a
prohibition against taking another national security job in the
federal government until at least 2009. Big deal. His party is out of
the White House until then.
Is anyone else struck with the contrast between these two
prosecutions?
While I appreciate that independent counsels want to send signals to
the people that even high officials can be brought down for violating
the law, we also have a concept in this country of "equal justice
under the law."
Can anyone honestly look at these two cases - Libby and Berger - and
tell me they were treated equally?
I don't think so.
Now, I don't have any love for the Bush administration. In fact, it
was the Bush Justice Department that let Berger walk. I don't know
Scooter Libby - wouldn't know him if I tripped over him. I never heard
of him until the Valerie Plame case.
But 30 years for lying under oath?
Of course, you rightwing liars were ready to impeach Bill Clinton for
lying
under oath.
How quickly and conveniently you assholes forget.
Can't impeach Libby.
No, but 30 years sounds fair.
Libby will not see one day in the slam. These kind of guys don't do
time. Just ask Henry Cisneros or Sandy Burglar. You all should give it
up but I know some won't. There are those that are still stressing
about the 2000 election. I guess it's nice to have a hobby.
Cisneros and Berger both pleaded guilty and paid their penalty. Libby
can do the same, any time. If he doesn't do so he could be in Club
Fed for as long as 30 years.
Only until GW Bush pardons him, as his father pardoned the liar
Elliot Abrams, who now works for GW Bush. You can see that this
Bush has little respect for the law and doesn't mind employing
proven liars in important positions.
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01 Nov 2005 12:45:04 AM |
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On 31 Oct 2005 22:07:54 -0500, (Al Dykes) wrote:
In article <mbldm15f96dj8nuibd0kdab839qhflpjps@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:25:49 +1100, "Malto" <Malto@offski.commie>
wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:2sgcm1ldvr259lh9k6imct432qaqng5c0n@4ax.com...
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:30:21 -0500, "J" <anon@mous.com> wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:bdhbm158ib7f4hvfmit0skq5mtfn8mvq60@4ax.com...
Scooter and Sandy
Joseph Farah
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
"I think what we see here today, when a vice president's chief of
staff is charged with perjury and obstruction of justice, it does show
the world that this is a country that takes its law seriously; that
all citizens are bound by the law. But what we need to also show the
world is that we can also apply the same safeguards to all our
citizens, including high officials. Much as they must be bound by the
law, they must follow the same rules."
- Independent Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, Friday, Oct. 28, 2005
Those were stirring words from Patrick Fitzgerald.
And, I believe, he means them.
His presentation to the nation Friday was professional and persuasive.
Personally, I am not at all concerned about the CIA leak case.
I don't believe anyone was hurt by the leaks.
Valerie Plame was no covert CIA agent, in my book. She had not been
working overseas since 1996 and appeared unlikely to take any covert
assignments abroad in the future.
Had Lewis Libby not lied under oath to investigators, I doubt very
seriously he would be under indictment right now. Because no other
crime appears to have been committed.
Nevertheless, Libby, Vice President ***** Cheney's chief of staff, is
now facing 30 years in jail for a cover-up of what he leaked to
reporters.
While I like to see the high and mighty brought low as much as the
next guy, the possible sentence seems a little excessive.
Where was this guy Fitzgerald when we really needed him?
Where was he when former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger was
caught red-handed stealing highly classified documents from the
National Archives, destroying some and then lying about it to
investigators?
If ever there was a crime that warranted 30 years in the slammer, it
was that theft from the people and the ensuing cover-up.
But Sandy Berger walked. He got away with a modest fine and a
prohibition against taking another national security job in the
federal government until at least 2009. Big deal. His party is out of
the White House until then.
Is anyone else struck with the contrast between these two
prosecutions?
While I appreciate that independent counsels want to send signals to
the people that even high officials can be brought down for violating
the law, we also have a concept in this country of "equal justice
under the law."
Can anyone honestly look at these two cases - Libby and Berger - and
tell me they were treated equally?
I don't think so.
Now, I don't have any love for the Bush administration. In fact, it
was the Bush Justice Department that let Berger walk. I don't know
Scooter Libby - wouldn't know him if I tripped over him. I never heard
of him until the Valerie Plame case.
But 30 years for lying under oath?
Of course, you rightwing liars were ready to impeach Bill Clinton for
lying
under oath.
How quickly and conveniently you assholes forget.
Can't impeach Libby.
No, but 30 years sounds fair.
Libby will not see one day in the slam. These kind of guys don't do
time. Just ask Henry Cisneros or Sandy Burglar. You all should give it
up but I know some won't. There are those that are still stressing
about the 2000 election. I guess it's nice to have a hobby.
Cisneros and Berger both pleaded guilty and paid their penalty. Libby
can do the same, any time. If he doesn't do so he could be in Club
Fed for as long as 30 years.
I suspect he'll play the game a while.
--
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| User: " Malto" |
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| Title: Re: Scooter and Sandy |
01 Nov 2005 01:05:59 AM |
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"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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On 31 Oct 2005 22:07:54 -0500, (Al Dykes) wrote:
How quickly and conveniently you assholes forget.
Can't impeach Libby.
No, but 30 years sounds fair.
Libby will not see one day in the slam. These kind of guys don't do
time. Just ask Henry Cisneros or Sandy Burglar. You all should give it
up but I know some won't. There are those that are still stressing
about the 2000 election. I guess it's nice to have a hobby.
Cisneros and Berger both pleaded guilty and paid their penalty. Libby
can do the same, any time. If he doesn't do so he could be in Club
Fed for as long as 30 years.
I suspect he'll play the game a while.
Huh?
He'll play what game, idiot?
The guy just got five major charges laid against him.
If he pleads not guilty, that means Chinless Cheney and gutless Rove wille
be called to testify.
Even a moron like you ought to realise that the big guys' aren't going to
let that happen.
LOL! ***** you crack me up when you get all defensive, Crappy!
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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01 Nov 2005 10:42:50 AM |
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On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:05:59 +1100, " Malto" <.Malto@offski.commiee>
wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:8j3em1dsre0lfeh2iajub9rua1md7cqn1j@4ax.com...
On 31 Oct 2005 22:07:54 -0500, (Al Dykes) wrote:
How quickly and conveniently you assholes forget.
Can't impeach Libby.
No, but 30 years sounds fair.
Libby will not see one day in the slam. These kind of guys don't do
time. Just ask Henry Cisneros or Sandy Burglar. You all should give it
up but I know some won't. There are those that are still stressing
about the 2000 election. I guess it's nice to have a hobby.
Cisneros and Berger both pleaded guilty and paid their penalty. Libby
can do the same, any time. If he doesn't do so he could be in Club
Fed for as long as 30 years.
I suspect he'll play the game a while.
Huh?
He'll play what game, idiot?
The I'm not guilty game. This game is played usually played until just
before the trial.
The guy just got five major charges laid against him.
So? Cisneros had 18 counts.
If he pleads not guilty, that means Chinless Cheney and gutless Rove wille
be called to testify.
So you think Scooter is going to stand before the judge and plead
guilty at his arrignment this week without a deal with Fitz? Riiight.
Even a moron like you ought to realise that the big guys' aren't going to
let that happen.
Any trial is at least a year away.
LOL! ***** you crack me up when you get all defensive, Crappy!
Look at Cisneros and other high level government perps. They don't do
time and they don't go to trial.
--
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| User: "Al Dykes" |
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| Title: Re: Scooter and Sandy |
01 Nov 2005 10:49:46 AM |
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In article <856fm1pja2aiocsotv5j7enc76cev8cn5n@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:05:59 +1100, " Malto" <.Malto@offski.commiee>
wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:8j3em1dsre0lfeh2iajub9rua1md7cqn1j@4ax.com...
On 31 Oct 2005 22:07:54 -0500, (Al Dykes) wrote:
How quickly and conveniently you assholes forget.
Can't impeach Libby.
No, but 30 years sounds fair.
Libby will not see one day in the slam. These kind of guys don't do
time. Just ask Henry Cisneros or Sandy Burglar. You all should give it
up but I know some won't. There are those that are still stressing
about the 2000 election. I guess it's nice to have a hobby.
Cisneros and Berger both pleaded guilty and paid their penalty. Libby
can do the same, any time. If he doesn't do so he could be in Club
Fed for as long as 30 years.
I suspect he'll play the game a while.
Huh?
He'll play what game, idiot?
The I'm not guilty game. This game is played usually played until just
before the trial.
The guy just got five major charges laid against him.
So? Cisneros had 18 counts.
If he pleads not guilty, that means Chinless Cheney and gutless Rove wille
be called to testify.
So you think Scooter is going to stand before the judge and plead
guilty at his arrignment this week without a deal with Fitz? Riiight.
Even a moron like you ought to realise that the big guys' aren't going to
let that happen.
Any trial is at least a year away.
LOL! ***** you crack me up when you get all defensive, Crappy!
Look at Cisneros and other high level government perps. They don't do
time and they don't go to trial.
They plead guilty, eliminating the need for a trial.
For Berger, the charge was *much* lower than it is for Libby. I don't
recall what Cisneros did.
The prosecutor and the Judge determine the sentence and both paid
whatever penalty that was demanded.
Liddy should have as much class.
--
a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m
Don't blame me. I voted for Gore.
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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| Title: Re: Scooter and Sandy |
01 Nov 2005 02:26:19 PM |
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On 1 Nov 2005 11:49:46 -0500, (Al Dykes) wrote:
In article <856fm1pja2aiocsotv5j7enc76cev8cn5n@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:05:59 +1100, " Malto" <.Malto@offski.commiee>
wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:8j3em1dsre0lfeh2iajub9rua1md7cqn1j@4ax.com...
On 31 Oct 2005 22:07:54 -0500, (Al Dykes) wrote:
How quickly and conveniently you assholes forget.
Can't impeach Libby.
No, but 30 years sounds fair.
Libby will not see one day in the slam. These kind of guys don't do
time. Just ask Henry Cisneros or Sandy Burglar. You all should give it
up but I know some won't. There are those that are still stressing
about the 2000 election. I guess it's nice to have a hobby.
Cisneros and Berger both pleaded guilty and paid their penalty. Libby
can do the same, any time. If he doesn't do so he could be in Club
Fed for as long as 30 years.
I suspect he'll play the game a while.
Huh?
He'll play what game, idiot?
The I'm not guilty game. This game is played usually played until just
before the trial.
The guy just got five major charges laid against him.
So? Cisneros had 18 counts.
If he pleads not guilty, that means Chinless Cheney and gutless Rove wille
be called to testify.
So you think Scooter is going to stand before the judge and plead
guilty at his arrignment this week without a deal with Fitz? Riiight.
Even a moron like you ought to realise that the big guys' aren't going to
let that happen.
Any trial is at least a year away.
LOL! ***** you crack me up when you get all defensive, Crappy!
Look at Cisneros and other high level government perps. They don't do
time and they don't go to trial.
They plead guilty, eliminating the need for a trial.
For Berger, the charge was *much* lower than it is for Libby. I don't
recall what Cisneros did.
Cisneros 18 counts of Pureery and obstruction of Justice.
The prosecutor and the Judge determine the sentence and both paid
whatever penalty that was demanded.
Liddy should have as much class.
Fitz wouldn't bargain with Libby. So what you suggest is moot.
http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/56580.htm
--
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| User: "Al Dykes" |
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| Title: Re: Scooter and Sandy |
01 Nov 2005 03:20:56 PM |
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In article <1fjfm1hq003dvmein127i12b7usnivvha6@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
On 1 Nov 2005 11:49:46 -0500, (Al Dykes) wrote:
In article <856fm1pja2aiocsotv5j7enc76cev8cn5n@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:05:59 +1100, " Malto" <.Malto@offski.commiee>
wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:8j3em1dsre0lfeh2iajub9rua1md7cqn1j@4ax.com...
On 31 Oct 2005 22:07:54 -0500, (Al Dykes) wrote:
How quickly and conveniently you assholes forget.
Can't impeach Libby.
No, but 30 years sounds fair.
Libby will not see one day in the slam. These kind of guys don't do
time. Just ask Henry Cisneros or Sandy Burglar. You all should give it
up but I know some won't. There are those that are still stressing
about the 2000 election. I guess it's nice to have a hobby.
Cisneros and Berger both pleaded guilty and paid their penalty. Libby
can do the same, any time. If he doesn't do so he could be in Club
Fed for as long as 30 years.
I suspect he'll play the game a while.
Huh?
He'll play what game, idiot?
The I'm not guilty game. This game is played usually played until just
before the trial.
The guy just got five major charges laid against him.
So? Cisneros had 18 counts.
If he pleads not guilty, that means Chinless Cheney and gutless Rove wille
be called to testify.
So you think Scooter is going to stand before the judge and plead
guilty at his arrignment this week without a deal with Fitz? Riiight.
Even a moron like you ought to realise that the big guys' aren't going to
let that happen.
Any trial is at least a year away.
LOL! ***** you crack me up when you get all defensive, Crappy!
Look at Cisneros and other high level government perps. They don't do
time and they don't go to trial.
They plead guilty, eliminating the need for a trial.
For Berger, the charge was *much* lower than it is for Libby. I don't
recall what Cisneros did.
Cisneros 18 counts of Pureery and obstruction of Justice.
The prosecutor and the Judge determine the sentence and both paid
whatever penalty that was demanded.
Liddy should have as much class.
Fitz wouldn't bargain with Libby. So what you suggest is moot.
http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/56580.htm
That's Fitz's call and it means that Libby isn't pleading guilty, as
Cisneros and Berger did.
Nothing prevents someone from pleading guilty to charges.
--
a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m
Don't blame me. I voted for Gore.
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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| Title: Re: Scooter and Sandy |
01 Nov 2005 03:49:57 PM |
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On 1 Nov 2005 16:20:56 -0500, (Al Dykes) wrote:
In article <1fjfm1hq003dvmein127i12b7usnivvha6@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
On 1 Nov 2005 11:49:46 -0500, (Al Dykes) wrote:
In article <856fm1pja2aiocsotv5j7enc76cev8cn5n@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:05:59 +1100, " Malto" <.Malto@offski.commiee>
wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:8j3em1dsre0lfeh2iajub9rua1md7cqn1j@4ax.com...
On 31 Oct 2005 22:07:54 -0500, (Al Dykes) wrote:
How quickly and conveniently you assholes forget.
Can't impeach Libby.
No, but 30 years sounds fair.
Libby will not see one day in the slam. These kind of guys don't do
time. Just ask Henry Cisneros or Sandy Burglar. You all should give it
up but I know some won't. There are those that are still stressing
about the 2000 election. I guess it's nice to have a hobby.
Cisneros and Berger both pleaded guilty and paid their penalty. Libby
can do the same, any time. If he doesn't do so he could be in Club
Fed for as long as 30 years.
I suspect he'll play the game a while.
Huh?
He'll play what game, idiot?
The I'm not guilty game. This game is played usually played until just
before the trial.
The guy just got five major charges laid against him.
So? Cisneros had 18 counts.
If he pleads not guilty, that means Chinless Cheney and gutless Rove wille
be called to testify.
So you think Scooter is going to stand before the judge and plead
guilty at his arrignment this week without a deal with Fitz? Riiight.
Even a moron like you ought to realise that the big guys' aren't going to
let that happen.
Any trial is at least a year away.
LOL! ***** you crack me up when you get all defensive, Crappy!
Look at Cisneros and other high level government perps. They don't do
time and they don't go to trial.
They plead guilty, eliminating the need for a trial.
For Berger, the charge was *much* lower than it is for Libby. I don't
recall what Cisneros did.
Cisneros 18 counts of Pureery and obstruction of Justice.
The prosecutor and the Judge determine the sentence and both paid
whatever penalty that was demanded.
Liddy should have as much class.
Fitz wouldn't bargain with Libby. So what you suggest is moot.
http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/56580.htm
That's Fitz's call and it means that Libby isn't pleading guilty, as
Cisneros and Berger did.
Nothing prevents someone from pleading guilty to charges.
Cisneros pleaded innocent until he copped a plea a couple of days
before the start of the trial. Why should Libby plead guilty before he
sees all of Fits' cards and can do a little discovery of his own. I
suspect it would be interesting to depose Russert, Novak, Wilson and
Plame. Perhaps these witnesses wont be forthcoming and the case could
be tossed.
--
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| User: " Malto" |
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| Title: Re: Scooter and Sandy |
01 Nov 2005 04:10:51 PM |
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"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:a9ofm19rtuni74i5b5t07l3g7nm7nbr02e@4ax.com...
On 1 Nov 2005 16:20:56 -0500, (Al Dykes) wrote:
In article <1fjfm1hq003dvmein127i12b7usnivvha6@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
On 1 Nov 2005 11:49:46 -0500, (Al Dykes) wrote:
In article <856fm1pja2aiocsotv5j7enc76cev8cn5n@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:05:59 +1100, " Malto" <.Malto@offski.commiee>
wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:8j3em1dsre0lfeh2iajub9rua1md7cqn1j@4ax.com...
On 31 Oct 2005 22:07:54 -0500, (Al Dykes) wrote:
How quickly and conveniently you assholes forget.
Can't impeach Libby.
No, but 30 years sounds fair.
Libby will not see one day in the slam. These kind of guys don't
do
time. Just ask Henry Cisneros or Sandy Burglar. You all should
give it
up but I know some won't. There are those that are still
stressing
about the 2000 election. I guess it's nice to have a hobby.
Cisneros and Berger both pleaded guilty and paid their penalty.
Libby
can do the same, any time. If he doesn't do so he could be in
Club
Fed for as long as 30 years.
I suspect he'll play the game a while.
Huh?
He'll play what game, idiot?
The I'm not guilty game. This game is played usually played until just
before the trial.
The guy just got five major charges laid against him.
So? Cisneros had 18 counts.
If he pleads not guilty, that means Chinless Cheney and gutless Rove
wille
be called to testify.
So you think Scooter is going to stand before the judge and plead
guilty at his arrignment this week without a deal with Fitz? Riiight.
Even a moron like you ought to realise that the big guys' aren't
going to
let that happen.
Any trial is at least a year away.
LOL! ***** you crack me up when you get all defensive, Crappy!
Look at Cisneros and other high level government perps. They don't do
time and they don't go to trial.
They plead guilty, eliminating the need for a trial.
For Berger, the charge was *much* lower than it is for Libby. I don't
recall what Cisneros did.
Cisneros 18 counts of Pureery and obstruction of Justice.
The prosecutor and the Judge determine the sentence and both paid
whatever penalty that was demanded.
Liddy should have as much class.
Fitz wouldn't bargain with Libby. So what you suggest is moot.
http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/56580.htm
That's Fitz's call and it means that Libby isn't pleading guilty, as
Cisneros and Berger did.
Nothing prevents someone from pleading guilty to charges.
Cisneros pleaded innocent until he copped a plea a couple of days
before the start of the trial. Why should Libby plead guilty before he
sees all of Fits' cards and can do a little discovery of his own. I
suspect it would be interesting to depose Russert, Novak, Wilson and
Plame. Perhaps these witnesses wont be forthcoming and the case could
be tossed.
Why the hell would you want this guy to skate?
He is a trusted official of your governemnt who has lied and has
deliberately endangered an active agent in the employ of your own country
and in doing so has compromised the security of the country and it's
citizens.
It's not just some partisan political game, this guy has deliberately and
maliciously thrown an active agent to the wolves for his own political gain,
to mention what he was responsible for in terms of the so-called" pre-war
intelligence" which as seen off and an ill-fated invasion and ewell over
2000 dead US soldiers.
Regardless of your political bent, this guy, if proven guilty, deserves to
go down for a very long time.
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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| Title: Re: Scooter and Sandy |
02 Nov 2005 12:01:46 AM |
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On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:10:51 +1100, " Malto" <.Malto@offski.commiee>
wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:a9ofm19rtuni74i5b5t07l3g7nm7nbr02e@4ax.com...
On 1 Nov 2005 16:20:56 -0500, (Al Dykes) wrote:
In article <1fjfm1hq003dvmein127i12b7usnivvha6@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
On 1 Nov 2005 11:49:46 -0500, (Al Dykes) wrote:
In article <856fm1pja2aiocsotv5j7enc76cev8cn5n@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:05:59 +1100, " Malto" <.Malto@offski.commiee>
wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:8j3em1dsre0lfeh2iajub9rua1md7cqn1j@4ax.com...
On 31 Oct 2005 22:07:54 -0500, (Al Dykes) wrote:
How quickly and conveniently you assholes forget.
Can't impeach Libby.
No, but 30 years sounds fair.
Libby will not see one day in the slam. These kind of guys don't
do
time. Just ask Henry Cisneros or Sandy Burglar. You all should
give it
up but I know some won't. There are those that are still
stressing
about the 2000 election. I guess it's nice to have a hobby.
Cisneros and Berger both pleaded guilty and paid their penalty.
Libby
can do the same, any time. If he doesn't do so he could be in
Club
Fed for as long as 30 years.
I suspect he'll play the game a while.
Huh?
He'll play what game, idiot?
The I'm not guilty game. This game is played usually played until just
before the trial.
The guy just got five major charges laid against him.
So? Cisneros had 18 counts.
If he pleads not guilty, that means Chinless Cheney and gutless Rove
wille
be called to testify.
So you think Scooter is going to stand before the judge and plead
guilty at his arrignment this week without a deal with Fitz? Riiight.
Even a moron like you ought to realise that the big guys' aren't
going to
let that happen.
Any trial is at least a year away.
LOL! ***** you crack me up when you get all defensive, Crappy!
Look at Cisneros and other high level government perps. They don't do
time and they don't go to trial.
They plead guilty, eliminating the need for a trial.
For Berger, the charge was *much* lower than it is for Libby. I don't
recall what Cisneros did.
Cisneros 18 counts of Pureery and obstruction of Justice.
The prosecutor and the Judge determine the sentence and both paid
whatever penalty that was demanded.
Liddy should have as much class.
Fitz wouldn't bargain with Libby. So what you suggest is moot.
http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/56580.htm
That's Fitz's call and it means that Libby isn't pleading guilty, as
Cisneros and Berger did.
Nothing prevents someone from pleading guilty to charges.
Cisneros pleaded innocent until he copped a plea a couple of days
before the start of the trial. Why should Libby plead guilty before he
sees all of Fits' cards and can do a little discovery of his own. I
suspect it would be interesting to depose Russert, Novak, Wilson and
Plame. Perhaps these witnesses wont be forthcoming and the case could
be tossed.
Why the hell would you want this guy to skate?
I got no love for Scooter. The dude seems the fool. I'm just telling
you how this stuff always comes down.
He is a trusted official of your governemnt who has lied and has
deliberately endangered an active agent in the employ of your own country
and in doing so has compromised the security of the country and it's
citizens.
It's not just some partisan political game, this guy has deliberately and
maliciously thrown an active agent to the wolves for his own political gain,
to mention what he was responsible for in terms of the so-called" pre-war
intelligence" which as seen off and an ill-fated invasion and ewell over
2000 dead US soldiers.
That's hype. Everyone in the government believed that Iraq had WMDs.
This was a carry over from the previous administration. The CIA blew
it but nothing new there.
Regardless of your political bent, this guy, if proven guilty, deserves to
go down for a very long time.
So did Cisneros, Burger, Wienburger, Nixon. But we must work in the
real world.
No crime was broken. Fitz knows that Libby told Miller about Plame yet
he didn't charge him with the crime. Cheney told Libby but that's not
a crime.
Fitz's charges are very narrow.
--
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
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